[07:27] <mapp> hi all
[07:55] <MooDoo> morning
[07:58] <mapp> morning MooDoo
[07:58] <mapp> hows it going pal
[08:16] <MooDoo> yeah it's going fine, just ordered myself a server for home
[08:19] <mapp> nice
[08:19] <mapp> :D
[08:20] <mapp> i cant order anything no bloody room here
[08:21] <MooDoo> mapp: having a garage helps and when they are 1u, they stack ;)
[08:22] <mapp> well no garage here;p
[08:22] <mapp> cant even have a desk here
[08:22] <mapp> no room for a desk or a tv
[08:22] <MooDoo> sounds like my home...
[08:22] <mapp> :D
[08:22] <mapp> its a sacrifice
[08:22] <mapp> weather vs space
[08:23] <MooDoo> yeah that's why i'm glad I have a garage....server room in the rafters
[08:23] <MooDoo> lol
[08:23] <mapp> well
[08:23] <mapp> enjoy your 2c:P
[08:23] <mapp> 16c for me
[08:23] <mapp> heh
[08:46] <MooDoo> 2c?
[09:16] <awilkins> or not 2c?
[09:17] <awilkins> That is the question.
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Joy Germ Day! :-D
[09:34] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:34] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:47] <MooDoo> :)
[10:49] <daubers> Hello!
[10:49] <popey> Hello!
[10:49] <popey> Hows tricks?
[10:50] <daubers> popey: Tricky
[10:50] <daubers> popey: How be thee?
[10:50] <popey> much the same as usual
[10:50] <daubers> Fair do's
[10:51] <davmor2> popey: Magic but not a lot :)
[10:51] <daubers> I have a really random, kinda off topic question
[10:51] <popey> \o/
[10:51] <popey> we love those
[10:51] <daubers> Has anyone here had an RFID implant?
[10:51] <davmor2> no
[10:51] <popey> hah, no
[10:51] <daubers> Hmmm, I might be crazy then. Going to get one done soon-ish
[10:51] <popey> well. my cats do
[10:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: nice a germ that spread joy,  is it called popey ?
[10:52] <JamesTait> davmor2, I thought it was me! :-P
[10:52] <popey> daubers: for what purpose?
[10:52] <popey> unlocking devices etc?
[10:52] <daubers> popey: Fun! And that
[10:52] <daubers> popey: Also, for unlocking the Hackspace door and so forth
[10:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: no you brighten the day with your greetings for real joy it's all on popey :D  no pressure
[10:53] <popey> what would you progam the rfid with?
[10:53] <popey> I mean, a code or something?
[10:53] <daubers> They each have a unique serial, but there is a secure handshakey crypto way of doing it too
[10:54] <popey> where you having it done? the vet?
[10:54] <daubers> popey: Body Mod place in Southampton
[10:54] <popey> that makes more sense
[10:55] <daubers> :)
[10:55] <daubers> Maybe do the magnet thing next year
[10:55] <daubers> see how I get on with RFID first
[10:55] <popey> i had a friend who had a bar through his ear
[10:56] <popey> was told "don't touch it, let it scab up"
[10:56] <popey> he went home, had a shower, in the shower he tweaked it a tiny bit
[10:56] <popey> went to bed, woke up with head stuck to pillow with dried blood
[10:56] <daubers> Not surprising!
[10:56] <popey> collapsed due to blood loss
[10:56] <daubers> Ouch
[10:57] <daubers> This is effectivley just an injection
[10:57] <popey> where would you put it?
[10:57] <popey> behind your neck like a cat? ☻
[10:57] <popey> the sole of your foot!?
[10:57] <popey> would make for opening doors ninja style fun
[10:57] <daubers> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5zAZq1p0d0 <- For those not scared of needles
[10:57] <davmor2> popey: I assume wrist if it is opening doors
[10:58] <daubers> Between yourthumb and fingers
[10:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:01] <diplo> Update us on how and what you do with it daubers, I'm interested
[11:01] <daubers> diplo: I'll ask them nicely to video it
[11:02] <diplo> That is one big device to inject it! Not to worried about seeing it daubers :)  more on what you do after :)
[11:02] <daubers> diplo: I'm quite scared of the big needle, but it'll be fun!
[11:02] <daubers> (and painful)
[11:04] <diplo> Yeah, I expect it'll be more than a little prick
[11:04] <diplo> :D
[11:05] <daubers> :)
[11:05] <daubers> A lot of people on youtube who had it done said it wasn't that painful, but you don't know if their saying that just because they don't want to be seen as a wimp
[11:06] <diplo> The guy didn't seem to flinch much on that video
[11:07] <diplo> Just reading up on the one that guy had injected, can link to your phone
[11:07] <diplo> Good security feature to unlock your phone
[11:07] <daubers> Yeah, there are NFC phone unlock apps that work with them
[11:09] <brobostigon> i just noticed something strange, after a while on my nexus 4, things like irssinotifier and pushover messages fail to get through, untill i stick it in airplane mode and back, and then they all suddenly flow back, very strange.
[11:10] <bashrc> gremlins
[11:10] <brobostigon> yep.
[11:11] <Myrtti> well there are cat flaps that read the chip on the cats neck and open it only to them
[11:14] <popey> yeah, i have one of them, not installed it because it's mains powered
[11:19] <daubers> popey: So if it's not your cat it tasers whoever is trying to get in?
[11:20] <popey> heh
[11:20] <awilkins> You can get rat killing traps powered by electricity
[11:20] <awilkins> That would be a logical application
[11:20] <awilkins> I nearly got one but they were hard to come by in the UK
[11:20] <awilkins> (for my loft squirrels)
[11:21] <bashrc> secure all the cat entries
[11:33] <MooDoo> :)
[12:20] <Laney> grr
[12:20] <Laney> just got a call saying the nest installer can't come this afternoon
[12:20] <Laney> what if I'd taken some time off to wait in :(
[12:21] <Myrtti> I almost bought one for the future inlaws, they don't have a thermostat of any kind, just a timer
[12:22] <Myrtti> but couldn't be sure if it'd get used so I didn't
[12:22] <ali12341> what does it do?
[12:27] <Myrtti> learning thermostat is the sales quip
[12:32] <awilkins> I have a radio thermostat
[12:33] <awilkins> Presume it's one of those with some fuzzy logic in it
[12:33] <awilkins> And wifi
[12:39] <directhex> okay, gentlehumans. here is a video of a new game controller. it's bluetooth based, designed for use with an android phone/tablet or PC. your mission is to guess the RRP of this game controller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMCR1LEfTjI
[12:41] <directhex> the price reveal is at around 7:50. don't spoil it!
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> if it's been announced at ces, silly money
[12:43]  * zmoylan-pi wonders when it became ok to fleece gamers...
[12:44] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: since forever. see also http://shop.gunnars.com/gaming-eyewear/l/200
[12:44] <shauno> I think half the time they're asking to be fleeced.  a lot of 'gamer' products makes them look like the audiophiles of the IT world
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> no, i remember my zx spectrum, a game for ir£2.75 or ir£3.80 on budget games
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> full price was ir£15
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> i could easily get a game a week, when i got a nintendo ds for commuting a game a month as they cost €40+
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> bbc, amstrad, commodore games were the same
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> only when nintendo consoles kicked off with cartridges in 80s did the gouging begin in earnst.  to my mind anyway
[12:47] <directhex> prices have been decreasing over the years, accounting for inflation
[12:47] <directhex> N64 games were often £50 or £60 new, in the mid 1990s
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> yes... and no. most of the early games were trivial to copy so most games were bought to be shared with others
[12:48] <shauno> I honestly don't remember game prices.  almost everything I had on the amiga was courtesy of xcopy
[12:49] <ali12341> they were like £35
[12:49] <ali12341> £19 for older releases and £10 for "budget" games
[12:49] <shauno> by time I started working most of them were being sold on whitelabels in EB
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> wow, my last computer didn't cost that much! (the bt controller)
[12:54] <directhex> ali12341: games still cost around that.
[12:55] <ali12341> sure, on PC
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> amiga games were cheaper than nintendo games in 80s.  and you could still copy them so actual cost wasn't so high as % of your collection would be copies
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> sony playstation has or at least had (when i had a ps1) their platinum collection where you could get 2-3 year old games cheap plus you had second hand games.
[12:57] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: What on earth are those glasses supposed to do?
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> but now the consoles seem to be eliminating the second hand market
[12:57] <ali12341> yeah i think those were like £20
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> i really liked sim city on playstation, harder on controller than keyboard and mouse but still a good game
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> i got it second hand. cheap
[12:58] <TwistedLucidity> Games: https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games/v2
[12:58] <TwistedLucidity> Games: https://archive.org/details/classicpcgames
[12:59] <directhex> TwistedLucidity: um... eliminate glare, i think
[12:59] <directhex> ali12341: on console
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the correct way to eliminate glare to play in basement or some room blocked off forever from natural light? :-)
[12:59] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Eliminate. Glare. So...polarised. For that moment. Morons.
[12:59] <TwistedLucidity> "that money"
[13:00] <directhex> ali12341: some games cost more. but plenty of "proper" games ship brand-new on current-gen consoles for very little more than amiga games did. sometimes less.
[13:00] <ali12341> i think they are supposed to reduce blue/white light
[13:00] <directhex> not accounting for inflation
[13:01] <directhex> e.g. smash bros wiiu is £35 at game, that came out for xmas. halo master chief colection (a 4-game HD remaster) is £35 at game. less at tesco
[13:02] <ali12341> yeah, the mid 2000s was the peak pricing, when games were selling for £60
[13:02] <ali12341> now they sell half the game for £30 then hit you for another £60 in DLC
[13:03] <directhex> in some cases, yeah
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> so real pricing has gone up. or rather the gouging
[13:03] <directhex> basically call of duty. which people will pay anything for
[13:04] <directhex> some gouging is gougier than other gouging
[13:04] <ali12341> is elite dangerous good?
[13:04] <directhex> a lot of it is... a workaround for firing 200 people every time a game is nearing completion
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi> so hollywood accounting gamer style
[13:10] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: nah, hollywood accounting is different. game publishers don't want losses on paper
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> don't want to much profit either... all those poor companies going bust
[13:12] <Myrtti> well that was quick
[13:12] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: the budget for a modern game is, dev+marketing, 8 figures.
[13:12] <Myrtti> got the Ubuntu stickers already today
[13:12] <Myrtti> only ordered them yesterday
[13:13] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: let's say a 50:50 split. up to 300 staff working on a game at once, but with elastic team size from around 30 minimum to that 300 maximum.
[13:14] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: once a game is "done" (i.e. sent to publisher for QA, pressing, distribution, sale), what do you do with the 270 people not needed at the start of a project?
[13:14] <Myrtti> perfic
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> tag them and release them into the wild to be free?
[13:15] <Myrtti> there, covered the Dell logo on the lid and Windows logo on the Super key
[13:15] <directhex> and with $80M on the line, you *cannot* afford to make a loss. the game needs to be a success, one way or another. hence gouging with microtransactions. "smartphone generation gamers demand the ability to boost their progress by buying cars & guns!"
[13:16] <directhex> and "okay, now the team is moving into production on DLC, rather than being fired, to help prop up the release and keep working" is where DLC comes from
[13:16] <directhex> split into smaller teams, work on multiple DLC packs in tandem
[13:24] <ali12341> i would put them to work porting games to linux
[14:15] <popey> blinkbox now part of talktalk...
[14:15] <popey> https://support.blinkbox.com/hc/en-gb/articles/204428707
[14:20] <Myrtti> how unsurprising
[14:20] <Myrtti> Tesco is closing stores and selling stuff that isn't their core business
[14:20] <popey> yeah
[14:20] <popey> yet they are planning to open a new one near me
[14:20] <popey> small one, annoying people in the process
[14:20] <Myrtti> old pub refurbed?
[14:21] <Myrtti> that seems to be the MO everywhere
[14:21] <Myrtti> and not only for Tesco
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> the lidl near me is the one that does all the business
[14:22] <Myrtti> I don't mind shopping at Tesco nowadays after ours was refurbed
[14:22] <Myrtti> it doesn't feel like a miserable old cave anymore
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> as long as they have staff who understand stock rotation...
[14:22] <Myrtti> and having done the Christmas food shop in Finland in a big supermarket, I nearly cried when I got home to UK
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> they did stop our nearby tescos been 24 hours as the only ones who used it at night were drug dealers
[14:23] <directhex> ali12341: not the same people. environment artists aren't good at porting.
[14:23] <directhex> you need your programmers on hand until past release, for patching
[14:24] <Myrtti> I hadn't been so surprised for a good while, 21st of Dec and store full of people trying to do their Christmas shop before it all descends into madness, and not a shop assistant in sight
[14:24] <ali12341> well they'd have to learn
[14:24] <Myrtti> took me a good 10 minutes to find a person to ask if they've got molasses somewhere to get a response "if it's not on the shelf, then no"
[14:24] <Myrtti> "thanks"
[14:25] <popey> Myrtti: one was indeed an old pub
[14:25] <popey> another is to demolish a car sales place
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> a grade ii listed car dealer? :-P
[14:27] <popey> conveniently the local paper scanned their front page so I didn't need to buy it to read the article
[14:27] <popey> https://twitter.com/FarnboroughNews/status/553127873629130752
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> so you won't be downloading their app then? :-)
[14:31] <popey> nah
[14:48] <popey> Sudden flashback to using Berol handwriting pens at school
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> i used cartridge pens as my handwriting was unreadable otherwise
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity> popey: There were some...concerns over how a certain large supermarket chain arrived here. Not sure how libellous the accusations are...
[15:27] <brobostigon> would there be a way, to stream a video, from my desktop to my smart-tv, by some means, like with chromecast.?
[15:28] <diplo> dlna server on the desktop brobostigon
[15:28] <diplo> That's what my friend does
[15:28] <Myrtti> yup
[15:28] <Myrtti> dlna of somekind, be it Plex or minidlna or mediatomb
[15:28] <diplo> MiniDLNA i think he uses
[15:29] <diplo> :P
[15:29] <brobostigon> ok, so i could point said dlna server at lets say a dvd, and do that?
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi>  dlna... attack!! :-)
[15:30] <brobostigon> my dvd player has packed up the ghost, hence the question.
[15:30] <SuperMatt> anyone got a good command for restoring all the permissions for someone who has run chown -R / ?
[15:31] <diddledan> SuperMatt, that's a pain to fix
[15:31] <brobostigon> could i push the vide from vlc to the tv, for example?
[15:31] <brobostigon> dvd*
[15:33] <diplo> brobostigon, I honestly don't know, sounds doable
[15:33] <diplo> But may be a little trouble
[15:33] <brobostigon> i agree, i just cant find a solution to it.
[15:34] <diplo> Rip the dvd to mkv ? :)
[15:35] <diplo> not sure how the menu would be supported
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> i spent 18 months ripping my dvd collection.  still adding to it
[15:35] <brobostigon> thats an idea diplo
[15:35] <diplo> Same here zmoylan-pi, 600+ films now
[15:35] <diplo> Handbrake is the simple solution I found
[15:35] <diplo> http://handbrake.fr
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> i used handbrake a lot as i was using a mac at the time.  also on linux at the moment but i have dabbled in others when they've put up resistance
[15:37] <MooDoo> I use dvdshrink in wine, works a treat rip to vob or iso
[15:37] <MooDoo> vlc does play iso dvds
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> vlc seems to play everything...
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> when the aliens arrive to invade, their announcement will be played via vlc :-)
[15:38] <popey> mpv > vlc
[15:38] <popey> IMO
[15:41] <ali12341> vlc can't play h264 correctly
[15:42] <ali12341> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/1391837
[15:42] <DJones> brobostigon: I've just set up minidnla on my server to stream to a smart tv, took about 5 minutes to set up
[15:43] <ali12341> it also produces different output depending on how fast your computer is, apparently
[15:43] <brobostigon> DJones: yep, i have minidlna setup on my rpi, to share videos of iplayer, works well.
[15:46] <diddledan> ali12341, weird that the bug has been marked "invalid" when you've provided evidence
[15:46] <ali12341> i wish it was weird, sadly it's what i have come to expect
[15:47] <diddledan> it would be understandable if other players also did the same thing, but you've shown that two players behave differently
[15:52] <ali12341> not just differently, *correctly*
[15:59] <awilkins> Hrrmph
[15:59] <awilkins> My broadband upgrade came through
[16:00] <awilkins> Operational config : 100Mbit/s
[16:00] <awilkins> Actual speed : still less than 20Mbit/s
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> tsk, you're slumming it at 20Mbit/s :-)
[16:01] <awilkins> My upstream doubled
[16:01] <awilkins> 6Mbit/s now
[16:02] <diddledan> wow, awilkins that's bad
[16:02] <awilkins> Have posted on their forums
[16:02] <diddledan> awilkins, issat virgin?
[16:02] <awilkins> Yeah
[16:02] <awilkins> Checked my power levels
[16:02] <awilkins> They're off, apparently
[16:02] <awilkins> Removed the attenuator and they're still off
[16:03] <awilkins> Think I need a 10dB attenuator rather than 20
[16:13] <diddledan> awilkins, that'll not be "half the attenuation"
[16:13] <awilkins> diddledan, I know :-)
[16:13] <diddledan> that'll be more like 1/8th the attenuation?
[16:14] <awilkins> But you can still use addition on the decibel scale because it's log
[16:14] <awilkins> Removing it put me from about -9 to +11
[16:14] <diddledan> every 3db step is a doubling iirc
[16:14] <diddledan> so it's a curve rather than linear
[16:14] <awilkins> No idea what the right power levels are supposed to be
[16:14] <diddledan> me either :-p
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> but you're at +11 that should be best!!
[16:15] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it's 1 more powers than 10
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> exactly :-)
[17:02]  * diddledan reading about political fallout from paris sadness
[17:03] <diddledan> nigel ferage has gone on record stating that britain and france (and presumably others) have a "fifth column" of people who hate us
[17:07] <diddledan> there's talk of a bomb having gone off in lyon, today, now
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> i thought farage was in the fifth column who hated britain
[17:14] <diddledan> perhaps that's why he said it - hide in plain sight?
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> don't get much plainer
[17:15] <diddledan> my response to the news is: je suis charlie
[17:19] <intrbiz> groups of people have hated other groups of people for a long time
[17:19] <intrbiz> and will continue to do so
[22:09] <mapito> anyone used a dual sim phone? wonder if its possible to have 2 sims in..1 set as  active so would be using that BUT if a call comes into other sims number you can still answer it?
[22:55] <diddledan> apparently gay can cause accidents: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30735673
[22:56] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:56] <sebsebseb> anyone about?
[22:56] <diddledan> nope
[22:57] <intrbiz> sebsebseb: hi
[22:57] <intrbiz> diddledan: wow, that is not good
[22:57] <sebsebseb> intrbiz: oh it's you
[22:57] <intrbiz> sebsebseb: yeh
[22:57] <sebsebseb> anyway Jimmy Wales on Question Time hmm
[22:58] <sebsebseb> Wikipedia founder
[22:59] <intrbiz> sebsebseb: yeh
[23:03] <diddledan> no spoilers on qt please. I've just started watching
[23:04] <intrbiz> diddledan: ok
[23:12] <sebsebseb> diddledan: ar you watching live or behind?
[23:12] <diddledan> behind - iplayer timeshiting
[23:13] <sebsebseb> oh
[23:13] <diddledan> +f
[23:16] <mapito> whats fsf sebsebseb
[23:17] <mapito> i ordered my new phone motorola g dual sim :D sick of taking phone out of case to switch rom EE to gibtel
[23:18] <sebsebseb> hmm interesting:  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/intel-compute-stick-specs-ubuntu-version
[23:18] <sebsebseb> mapito: realy you don't know what FSF is?
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> half the ram for the linux version though is annoying
[23:18] <sebsebseb> how long have you used  Desktop LInuxfor?
[23:18] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: yeah lesser specs, but may be able to put it on the  better specs
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> while paying for windows licence...
[23:19] <sebsebseb> mapito: you don't know what FSF is really?
[23:19] <sebsebseb> mapito: you must be quite new to Linu etc if so
[23:20] <mapito> free software foundation?
[23:20] <mapito> i was only asking
[23:20] <sebsebseb> yep bingo free software foundation
[23:20] <mapito> ;]
[23:20] <intrbiz> mapito: the Ubuntu phone davmor2 has is dual sim
[23:21] <sebsebseb> intrbiz: should have phooted yu maybe at the event heh heh, oh well
[23:21] <sebsebseb> ah yes I coudn't anway since.  full phone  etc uh
[23:21] <intrbiz> sebsebseb: should have what me?
[23:22] <mapito> nice didnt knw any ubuntu phones were out
[23:22] <mapito> also
 anyone used a dual sim phone? wonder if its possible to have 2 sims in..1 set as  active so would be using that BUT if a call comes into other sims number you can still answer it?
[23:22] <mapito> anyone got any ideas
[23:23] <sebsebseb> mapito: no Ubuntu phone isn't out yet
[23:23] <sebsebseb> ,but the first one should go on sale next month
[23:23] <mapito> ah
[23:23] <sebsebseb> for now the most interesitng phone out
[23:23] <sebsebseb> is proaby Jolla really :)
[23:23] <intrbiz> mapito: as I understand it, both sims are active and you can make / recieve calls on both
[23:23] <mapito> sweet
[23:23] <mapito> so you dont have to switch between
[23:23] <sebsebseb> my one  came on Monday, and Jolla really is awesome it seems :)
[23:24] <intrbiz> mapito: that will depend on the software I expect
[23:24] <mapito> wonder how it works so i can make it use 3G on gibtel sim thats basically why i wanted dual sim
[23:24] <mapito> 3g on gibtel calls'texts on ee
[23:24] <intrbiz> mapito: IIRC the one davmor2 has, was 3G on one sim, 2G on the other
[23:24] <mapito> I'd need to make sure it doesnt use 3g on ee tho as id be charged roaming
[23:25] <intrbiz> mapito: sure, that is gonna depend on what device / software you are running I suspect
[23:26] <intrbiz> well, QT seems to have descended into a slagging match again
[23:26] <sebsebseb> yeah ee sucks really iti seems, or it's just m sucky oragne contract that mainly ame over
[23:26] <sebsebseb> ,but nah  giffgaff seems it's going t be better for me
[23:26] <sebsebseb> soon I wil switch :)
[23:26] <sebsebseb> a month left on the sucky contract though I think or porbaby
[23:26] <mapito> well i use my ee for calls to eu and texts
[23:26] <mapito> as im abroad
[23:26] <mapito> butdata costs too much
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> geek aquarium to look at and relax... :-) http://www.flightradar24.com/RYR73NC/53a74cf
[23:27] <sebsebseb> then I can get the right card for my Jolla pone to.  microsim or whatever it was yeah, and hten I can start using that as an actsaul phone to
[23:27] <sebsebseb> instead of just a toy
[23:27] <sebsebseb> mapito: yeah I have used Orange/EE abroad to.  probably be doing that again soon for my last time
[23:28] <sebsebseb> where are you at the moment then?
[23:28] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: yeh I spent too much time there
[23:28] <mapito> its decent tho having free calls when abroad..so if youre in Eu its free calls to EU BUT only when travelling..if i called spain from my ee contract while in uk it isnt free
[23:28] <mapito> Gibraltar
[23:28] <mapito> sebsebseb, surely on this Motorola G it will be possible to turn data off for a specific sim or chose whic to use? has to be id think
[23:28] <sebsebseb> it's a £2 a day deal thing on my thing
[23:28] <sebsebseb> or
[23:28] <sebsebseb> paying  for what is used
[23:29] <sebsebseb> when abroad
[23:29] <mapito> yea id rather use my gibtel unlimited 3g
[23:29]  * sebsebseb I wonder how giffgaff works when abroad hmm
[23:30] <mapito> going from ios to android..used iphone for years
[23:30] <sebsebseb> mapito: Gibratler is nice went thee years ago
[23:30] <sebsebseb> mapito: oh and watch out for the monkeys at the top of  the rock
[23:30] <mapito> hahaha yea been up there..sometimes see them just in the street
[23:30] <mapito> at the top of main street
[23:30] <sebsebseb> yeah, but  they wil do stuff that you don't want done to you
[23:30] <sebsebseb> if your not careful
[23:31] <sebsebseb> or when I was there anyway
[23:31] <sebsebseb> did you move there, or just visiting?
[23:32] <mapito> working here till end of March minimum
[23:32] <sebsebseb> oh ok nice
[23:32] <mapito> http://twitter.com/mapppps can see photo of moinkey at top;p
[23:33] <sebsebseb> mapito: so what money do they have there now.  Euro, and  some sort of Gibralten pound ?
[23:33] <mapito> GIP
[23:33] <mapito> Gibrsltar pound
[23:33] <mapito> but
[23:33] <mapito> you can use UK pounds its 1:1 and the machines and shops take/give both
[23:34] <mapito> ut cant spend GIP in UK
[23:34] <sebsebseb> when I was there  it was  before euro,  so  Spannish money and their own thing
[23:34] <sebsebseb> altough yeah I think UK money  coul get accepted to
[23:34] <sebsebseb> what about teh euro?
[23:34] <sebsebseb> or they don't do that?
[23:34] <mapito> yea can pay in euros most places like restaurants/bars
[23:34] <mapito> or even Morrisons
[23:34] <sebsebseb> hmm so it's three currencies
[23:35] <mapito> its handy though here we can use UK debit and credit cards with 0 fees/charge :D
[23:35] <sebsebseb> also oh Morisions is in Gibralter,  well  yeah it's like Britian in quite a fewways really from waht I remember, but with differneces, and nicer place
[23:35] <intrbiz> GIP is essentially like scotish bank notes, issued locally but backed by the bank of england
[23:35] <mapito> yep
[23:35] <mapito> but
[23:35] <sebsebseb> oh
[23:35] <mapito> if you havce GIP ou cant use it in the UK
[23:35] <mapito> places wont take it
[23:35] <intrbiz> sure
[23:35] <sebsebseb> indeed Gibrlten money won't be accepted in UK
[23:36] <mapito> but its a 1:1 ratio..the notes ive got on me atm are UK notes..but casino atm usually gives GIP
[23:36] <intrbiz> scotish bank notes aren't strictly legal tending in england + wales
[23:36] <zmoylan-pi> can't you exchange them in bank in uk?
[23:36] <mapito> dont think so
[23:36] <intrbiz> you should be able to
[23:37] <sebsebseb> three currencies for Gibralter, wel you said euro as well it seems
[23:37] <sebsebseb> ,but that's intersting
[23:37] <sebsebseb> such a small place
[23:37] <intrbiz> Gib have to back in the BoE anything they print
[23:37] <sebsebseb> and three currencies
[23:37] <mapito> well
[23:37] <sebsebseb> what's BoE ?
[23:37] <intrbiz> bank of england
[23:37] <mapito> i mean GIP IS GBP basically i think it always says £ gbp most places
[23:37] <intrbiz> so if RBS want to print a £10 note, they have to deposit £10 with the BoE
[23:38] <sebsebseb> mapito: the Spannish won't like you if you try and get in there :d
[23:38] <mapito> and euros will be accepted by big stores..and restaurants..gauchos..gatsbys ...morrisons and a few bars
[23:38] <mapito> been to spain (La Linea) a few times
[23:38] <sebsebseb> how long has Morrisons been in Gibralter?
[23:38] <mapito> 30 years
[23:38] <mapito> says it at the store entrance
[23:38] <sebsebseb> reallly o
[23:38] <sebsebseb> oh
[23:39] <sebsebseb> oh right wel I dind't go there
[23:39] <mapito> and luckily for me..I live RIGHT by morrisons i can get there in say 2minutes lol
[23:39] <sebsebseb> I don't think when I went
[23:39] <sebsebseb> ,but
[23:39] <sebsebseb> is there only like one super market
[23:39] <mapito> right by Morrisons and right by McDonalds...5minutes from work
[23:39] <sebsebseb> for whole of Gibrlater
[23:39] <sebsebseb> or smething
[23:39] <sebsebseb> it's small
[23:39] <mapito> if you know where Waterport place  is?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> no  not at all, long time ago when I went there to
[23:39] <intrbiz> mapito: what are you working on out there?
[23:39] <mapito> I work there..wakk there in 5..handy as being near morrisons..so i dont have far to walk with my shopping
[23:39] <mapito> there's an Eroski right by the border now sebsebseb  near the airport
[23:40] <mapito> but i man or me..without a car way better to be near morrisons
[23:40] <mapito> oh
[23:40] <sebsebseb> Eroski yeah I been to those in  uhmm  Menorca
[23:40] <mapito> and i can walk to ocean village in say 15
[23:40] <mapito> you know ocean village? casino/bars etc there..
[23:40] <mapito> work for bet365.com intrbiz
[23:40] <sebsebseb> no don't kmnow  the casions etc there
[23:40] <sebsebseb> would be nice to go back to Gibralte at same stage
[23:40] <intrbiz> mapito: ah ok
[23:40] <sebsebseb> I went as a teenager
[23:40] <mapito> did you see my picture?:D
[23:40] <mapito> use it as twitter
[23:41] <intrbiz> mapito: I was approached by a recuriter for a postgresql job for a 'gaming' company out there a few years back
[23:41] <sebsebseb> mapito: one ISP for whole of Gibrlater? :D
[23:41] <intrbiz> mapito: took me a while to realise that meant gambling
[23:41] <mapito> nice intrbiz  wonder who and what pay
[23:41] <mapito> yea basically ..gibtelecom
[23:42] <intrbiz> mapito: I never new the actual company, it was a 'html5 gaming' company
[23:42] <mapito> its ok being here
[23:42] <mapito> we got a good deal they wanted us to come
[23:43] <mapito> so we all got a decent offer
[23:43] <intrbiz> mapito: the sunshine was kind of appealing
[23:43] <mapito> wanted 40people to come from UK/externals by end of september
[23:48] <intrbiz> anyone there watch this week?
[23:48] <mapito> whats that
[23:48] <diddledan> "next week on this week, tonight."
[23:49] <mapito> O_o
[23:49] <intrbiz> mapito: political comentary show on bbc one after bbc qt
[23:49] <mapito> ah