[01:24] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:29] <rick_h_> party
[02:50] <_stink_> yes
[12:04] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:42] <brousch__> yes
[12:42] <rick_h_> morning
[12:43] <rick_h_> but ugh ugh ugh
[12:43] <brousch__> I didn't even have to use my ABS
[12:45] <brousch__> Crap. Supposed to get 9" of snow over today and tomorrow
[13:42] <cmaloney> brousch__: yeah, we're looking for a few inches of snow
[13:42] <cmaloney> Not looking forward to shoveling
[13:42] <cmaloney> will wait until spring.
[13:44] <rick_h_> lovely, open weather.com to "Deep Freeze Sweeping Several States: Record Temperatures Expected"
[13:46]  * rick_h_ notes to make sure hte snow blower is fueled and working today
[14:00] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[14:00] <cmaloney> JoDee was upset that noaa.gov had the "chilly guy" for today.
[14:26] <rick_h_> I swear my son doesn't want to live another year.
[14:27] <cmaloney> heh
[14:27] <cmaloney> What did he do now?
[14:29] <rick_h_> threw a fit that led to saying things best not said which led to a timeout which led to just trying to poke the bear
[14:30] <cmaloney> Ah, so he's learning tact the hard way
[14:33] <brousch__> Probing the boundaries
[14:34] <rick_h_> being a whiny little snot too smart for his own good who's going to end up without a single toy in his room more like it
[14:34] <brousch__> "What would actually happen if I said x"?
[14:34] <rick_h_> the issue is he's still not learned he's got one of those stubborn "I'll do what I say" dads
[14:34] <brousch__> They hear the threats, and occasionally must see if they are not idle
[14:35] <rick_h_> and it sucked the one time I had to go into his room and find somewhere to put every stuffed animal he owned (that was last year maybe?)
[14:35] <rick_h_> only has 50 of those dippy things
[14:35] <brousch__> My goal is to never threaten a punishment that I am not actually willing to enforce
[14:35] <rick_h_> +1000
[14:35] <rick_h_> it's like dog training
[14:35] <rick_h_> I swear it's so much like learning to train a dog
[14:35] <brousch__> Yes
[14:36] <cmaloney> with a dog that is trying very hard to be smarter and more clever than you
[14:36] <brousch__> I banned my son from the movie theater for 12 months
[14:36] <rick_h_> consistent, same correction every day, inconsistent rewards to keep them wanting more...I've got a 5yr old lab and a 49yr old lab
[14:36] <rick_h_> if only the older would teach the younger
[14:37] <cmaloney> 49y/o lab?
[14:37] <rick_h_> jordyn (doggy year translation)
[14:37]  * brousch__ hopes he doesn't mean his wife
[14:37] <cmaloney> Ah
[14:37] <rick_h_> lol
[14:37] <cmaloney> Was having trouble parsing that
[14:40] <brousch__> rick_h_: But if your son is being unusually naughty it could also be because of something unrelated that he is having trouble talking about
[14:40] <rick_h_> brousch__: no, he just had a melt down because his mom said he could play the lego batman game on his tablet but it wasn't charged
[14:40] <brousch__> It can be hard to extract the true reason for the behavior, but enlightening if you can get there
[14:41] <rick_h_> so dad had to explain it, he had meltdown, and then he had to take it 100x father than it needed to go :)
[14:41] <brousch__> Those are fun
[14:41] <cmaloney> "This wouldn't have happened had I had an iPad. Stupid Android Household"
[14:41] <rick_h_> good old fashioned case of "here's some candy...oh you can't have this candy right in front of you" and therefor...the world has ended
[14:41] <rick_h_> no, in an apple household we'd all be taking turns on the 30pin charging cable and nothing'd be charged :P
[14:41] <cmaloney> heh
[14:41] <brousch__> I always ask him, "Do you really think this behavior/attitude is going to fix the situation?" Then toss him in his room while he contemplates it
[14:42] <rick_h_> yea, we did the "have I ever given you something you wanted because you threw a fit?" "then do you think throwing a fit is going to help you this time?"
[14:43] <brousch__> Eventually it will stick ;)
[14:43] <rick_h_> and then it turns into "I don't like this winter coat, please take it back and get me a new one"
[14:43] <rick_h_> or "I don't want to wear these shoes, I want to wear my nice ones today...in the snow/slush...they won't get dirty"
[14:43] <rick_h_> and so on and so on
[14:43] <rick_h_> wheeeeeeee
[14:44] <rick_h_> while daddy takes deep breaths "I will not just pick him up by the scruff of his neck with my one good arm and throw him into his bed!"
[14:44] <brousch__> How old is he?
[14:44] <rick_h_> :)
[14:44] <rick_h_> 5 for a week
[14:44] <brousch__> Seems like 4yrs was the biggest problem for mine
[14:45] <rick_h_> yea, he's too smart for his own good but not yet bright enough to go big picture
[14:45] <brousch__> 5 was similar, but the fits got shorter
[14:45] <cmaloney> He needs management traning
[14:45] <rick_h_> "my leg hurts, I can't put my shoes on" "if you lie to me what happens?" "well it hurts just a little bit, |-| much"
[14:46] <rick_h_> and you can hear the "now prove to me my leg doesn't hurt just a little bit daddy"
[14:46] <brousch__> Think of the patience he is teaching you
[14:46] <rick_h_> between him and work I should be giving seminars :P
[14:47] <rick_h_> and GSoC is coming again gah!
[14:48] <rick_h_> anyway, back to work now that he's left the house with mom. she can now swoop in and save the day
[16:14] <_stink_> rick_h_: haha i love it: while daddy takes deep breaths "I will not just pick him up by the scruff of his neck with my one good arm and throw him into his bed!"
[16:15] <_stink_> those are pretty much verbatim things my kid has said
[16:15] <_stink_> you are not alone
[16:16] <brousch__> No, no, you pick him up by the waist and set him in bed
[16:18] <cmaloney> Neck is more effective IMHO
[16:18] <cmaloney> (no, I'm not serious)
[16:38] <greg-g> I see it was a "dad's vent" morning :)
[16:43] <rick_h_> it's a rick_h_ vent morning. /me needs to just go crawl back into bed
[16:44] <greg-g> I wish
[16:44] <greg-g> I mean, not you, me :P
[16:44] <rick_h_> lol
[16:44] <rick_h_> I think my next project is to start a manager support group
[16:44] <greg-g> haha, I'll sign up
[16:44] <rick_h_> or maybe that's my startup, manager therapists
[16:45] <greg-g> "life coaches" are popular, should bank on that somehow
[16:45] <rick_h_> hmm, yea we'll go for the niche manager market
[16:46] <rick_h_> we'll need an app though
[16:46] <greg-g> leadrs.io
[16:46] <rick_h_> and a mobile plan that's VR ready
[16:46] <rick_h_> so you can use your oculus to attend support meetings
[16:46] <rick_h_> with built in hipchat backchannel communication
[16:48] <_stink_> what about hugs
[16:48] <_stink_> it needs support for hugs
[16:48] <rick_h_> some people don't like hugs I've recently found out
[16:48] <rick_h_> find them creepy
[16:49] <greg-g> I find those people creepy
[16:49] <greg-g> :)
[16:50] <_stink_> robots arms for virtual hugs
[16:56] <brousch__> hugs by proxy. You each find the nearest person to hug
[16:56] <brousch__> Uber for hugs
[16:58] <_stink_> huggr
[16:59] <greg-g> .io
[17:00] <brousch__> Looks like it's for sale http://hug.gr/
[17:00] <brousch__> Only 1000 units of some money
[17:01] <greg-g> dogecoin
[17:02] <cmaloney> Life Coaches are so 2000s
[17:02] <cmaloney> Maybe a Life-Guide instead
[17:03] <cmaloney> Life-Conductor
[17:03] <greg-g> Choo Choo!
[17:03] <cmaloney> OH, how about Life Guard. I'll bet that hasn't been thought of yet.
[17:03] <greg-g> nope, totally original
[17:04] <cmaloney> I'm sure there will be a pool of money waiting for us. Perhaps even an ocean
[17:07] <greg-g> I'm happy with a small lake, don't want to be greedy
[17:08] <_stink_> yeah you only need a small lake for your first one
[17:08] <_stink_> you use it to fund the ocean maker
[17:09] <greg-g> oh right
[21:35] <greg-g> I really hate the new floating (+) to create new whatevers on google properties (gmail phone app:new message, docs.google:new document, etc)
[21:44] <greg-g> also, seriously, their QA sucks
[21:44] <greg-g> I click on the little vertical 3 dots next to a document, click on "open in new tab" and nothing happens