[21:51] <andygraybeal> in general, what is a good laptop to purchase  for ubuntu?
[21:52] <belkinsa> A ThinkPad. But I really don't know myself.
[21:52] <andygraybeal> yea, i have the lenovo t series
[21:55] <andygraybeal> i hate trying to reocmmend stuff to a friend
[21:56] <paultag> XPS13 is great
[21:56] <paultag> A+ can highly recommend
[21:56] <paultag> I got one, and now ~5 or so folks have got them since
[21:56] <andygraybeal> that's the dell ?
[21:57] <andygraybeal> are the drivers all open source or pacakged for linux atleast?
[21:57] <Unit193> It's paultag, what do you think? :P
[21:57] <paultag> Iadore it
[21:58] <dzho> oh oh OH
[21:58] <paultag> http://dell.com/ubuntu
[21:58] <jenni> [ XPS 13 Developer Edition | Dell ] - https://j.mp/1KqpsGe
[21:58] <paultag> dzho: IO!
[21:58] <andygraybeal> yea, i admit, i don't know paul :(  or any of you guys really
[21:58] <paultag> wait a few days for the new version to drop
[21:58] <dzho> we all heard the Thinkpads got THEIR BUTTONS BACK right?!
[21:58] <paultag> yeah, these ship with F/OSS
[21:58] <dzho> the spec on those dells hasn't changed in approximately forever, has it?
[21:59] <paultag> It just changed two days ago
[21:59] <Unit193> andygraybeal: Heh, that's fine, yettiman! ;)  He's a big FSF fan. :)
[21:59] <paultag> and it's been updated a few times dzho 
[21:59] <andygraybeal> yettiman??
[21:59] <dzho> also, haha, 12.04
[21:59] <paultag> 14.04 on the new version
[21:59] <paultag> erm, 14.10
[21:59] <dzho> eww, one wants LTS
[22:00] <dzho> ain't nobody got time for short support cycles
[22:00] <Unit193> andygraybeal: I use that in a good sense.  Last pic I saw, you were big, lots of hair, and your kid strapped to you.
[22:00] <andygraybeal> aaah yes!!
[22:00] <andygraybeal> nothing has changed, i live in the woods
[22:00] <Unit193> \o/
[22:01] <andygraybeal> i'm fairly short, but well stocked :)
[22:01] <Unit193> Oh?  Hmm.
[22:01] <andygraybeal> not muscle i assure you
[22:01] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[22:01] <Unit193> How tall?
[22:01] <andygraybeal> 5'6"
[22:01] <andygraybeal> on a good day
[22:01] <Unit193> Oh.
[22:02] <dzho> I aftermarket installed 160GB SSD on this thinkpad twist a while back, and feel very constrained by it.
[22:02] <andygraybeal> dzho, constrained space-wise?
[22:02] <dzho> yup
[22:02] <andygraybeal> speed is nice though,eh?
[22:02] <dzho> the speed is fine
[22:02] <dzho> mostly the battery has a useful lifetime without me having to tweak it six ways from sunday
[22:03] <dzho> not the massive use times I hear about from others but it works for me
[22:03] <dzho> the lenovos also have this Power Bridge thing going on.
[22:03] <dzho> two batteries, so you can change one on the fly
[22:04] <dzho> one is built in non-field-replaceable.
[22:04] <dzho> so, it gets charged first and used last, so it's always good to go.
[22:04] <dzho> I don't have that, but it sounds good.
[22:05] <andygraybeal> thanks for the thoughts guys.  i sent off an email to my friend.
[22:10] <andygraybeal> so this multiarch thing took my by surprise :)
[22:10] <andygraybeal> it's been around since 12.04 ?
[22:10] <andygraybeal> i just found out about it this past week
[22:10] <andygraybeal> i feel awesome.
[22:11] <dzho> andygraybeal: welcome to my version of the cutting edge http://xkcd.com/606/
[22:11] <jenni> [ xkcd: Cutting Edge ] - http://xkcd.com
[22:11] <dzho> ;-)
[22:11] <dzho> I don't even remember if I've started Portal 2.  
[22:11] <dzho> I totally haven't finished it.
[22:11] <dzho> nor Half-Life
[22:11] <dzho> (Half-Life 2 I guess)
[22:12] <andygraybeal> haha nice
[22:12] <dzho> as for multi-arch, apparently Debian-based and Redhat-based handle it differently.
[22:12] <dzho> grr.
[22:12] <dzho> I think I found a multi-arch bug in gforth
[22:13] <dzho> haven't been motivated enough to figure out if there's a fix in a newer version, document what I've found, try to find a fix, yadda yadda.
[22:13] <dzho> usually when I find bugs like this its because I'm exploring a new feature, and hence, something I don't understand in the first place.
[22:14] <dzho> like, when I was going to play with aplus, and found a bug in the 64-bit version.
[22:14] <dzho> andygraybeal: I guess what I'm saying is I am only just now coming to grips with multi-arch, because I've been forced to :-)
[22:47] <andygraybeal> nice :)
[22:47] <andygraybeal> i think i followered your meandering
[22:52] <dzho> :-)