[04:14] <AndChat|99281> morning everyone
[05:08] <Kilos> morning bushtech  bduk1  inetpro  and others
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:35] <bduk> Hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:24] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey Kilos 
[08:03] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[08:23] <Kilos> wbb
[11:28] <bduk> Kilos:  waar is almal vandag? dis baie stil hier
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> .
[11:39] <bduk> maaz : you there?
[11:39] <Maaz> bduk: Huh?
[11:40] <bushtech> ThatGraemeGuy,  don't know what 1 . means but i'll raise you 1
[11:40] <bushtech> ..
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> .....oooooOOOOO
[11:41] <bushtech> you win :(
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> muhahahaha!
[14:39] <inetpro> good mornings
[14:41] <bduk1> Hi inetpro
[14:42] <inetpro> hello bduk1
[14:42] <inetpro> why you so quiet today?
[14:44] <bduk1> The  channel was quiet
[14:45]  * inetpro went to home affairs this morning for application of id
[14:45] <inetpro> can't believe the number of people in the queues
[14:45] <bduk1> Ish thats bad hope you took lots of patience with
[14:46] <inetpro> the process took just more than 4 hours 
[14:46] <inetpro> came like 10 minutes after opening and was like 176 in the line
[14:48] <bduk1> Ish, went to the bank this morning and a guy behind me said he went to the postofice yesterday to renew his postbox, he was seveth in the row and the gy
[14:48] <bduk1> Guy being helped took 1 hour and 15 minutes
[14:48] <inetpro> ai!
[14:49] <inetpro> one guy completely lost it in the end
[14:50] <inetpro> started shouting and screaming at officials, and I think it was just because he didn't bring his relevant docs
[14:50] <bduk1> I dont have patience for that, ill struggle for hours with my pc, my car my animals what ever but dont let me stand in a que.
[14:51]  * inetpro hates queues also
[14:51] <inetpro> I avoid them like a plague
[14:51] <inetpro> but sometimes you just have to go with the flow
[14:52] <bduk1> What make me angry like at our postofice, you go to renew yor licence or po box, waiting in the line for hours and when you get to the front r
[14:53] <bduk1> They tell you the system is down, why not put a not up somewhere and say whatever system is of then  i wont stand there and come back next day
[14:54] <inetpro> so much that can be done to improve things
[14:55] <bduk1> True simple things
[14:55] <inetpro> exactly
[14:56] <inetpro> starting with simple notice boards to inform people in the queue about relevant documents for different scenarios
[14:56] <bduk1> Yip
[14:56] <inetpro> luckily info is on the web these days, but why not put it up on notice boards right there as well?
[14:57] <bduk1> Did you get the new id card
[14:57] <inetpro> has to go through a process at head office
[14:58] <inetpro> takes anything from 2 to 4 weeks IIRC
[14:58] <inetpro> will be notified by SMS to come collect 
[14:59] <bduk1> Home afairs, sars and trafic licence departme ts are the wors
[14:59] <inetpro> yep, terrible
[14:59] <inetpro> though I must say that sars has become very efficient
[15:00] <bduk1> Since they went online i stay away there
[15:01]  * inetpro actually prefers going there these days
[15:01] <inetpro> you know when you walk out of there it's all done
[15:02] <bduk1> True
[15:04] <bduk1> At least the weekend is here
[15:04] <inetpro> weekend?
[15:05] <bduk1> Like Saterday and Sunday
[15:05] <inetpro> hehe, we're still on Thursday man
[15:06] <bduk1> I know but only one day left
[15:06] <inetpro> ok
[15:06] <bduk1> Much better than four days left
[15:09] <inetpro> :-)
[15:11] <inetpro> Linux Mint 17.1 Rebecca KDE Edition release today
[15:35] <bduk1> I stick with ubuntu
[15:37] <bduk1> Anyone using clearos
[16:11]  * inetpro sticks with Kubuntu but it's always interesting to see what other distros are coming up with
[18:53] <bushtech>  Kilos ! I'm afraid to ask?
[18:55] <Kilos> lolol
[18:55] <Kilos> ya you should be
[18:55] <Kilos> something funny with that ssd thing
[18:55] <bushtech> Ag nee!
[18:55] <Kilos> cant even format to ext2 in 5 hours
[18:56] <Kilos> now its out where it should have been for starters
[18:57] <Kilos> will work on it in usb mode so i still can go on here
[19:00] <Kilos> its messed up my 1TB as well so the good 1TB kde dont even see it
[19:00] <bushtech> in that line, which is the best HD format for linux , ext2, 3 ,4 ? anybody know or tried them all?
[19:00] <Kilos> 4
[19:01] <Kilos> i only use ext2 with gparted because it can only check the drive in etx2
[19:01] <bushtech> ja, jy het seker wragtig almal probeer en nog 'n paar andr ook
[19:01] <Kilos> ext4 has protection stuff built in to save drives with power cuts
[19:02] <Kilos> i forget whats its called but it safer to lose power with ext4 drives
[19:02] <bushtech> and I suppse changing formats is basically a reformat?
[19:03] <Kilos> ya
[19:04] <bushtech> don't think even ext 4 will save us from the prince of darkness
[19:04] <Kilos> you got disk utility there
[19:04] <Kilos> and gparted
[19:05] <Kilos> ext4 is the best to use
[19:05] <Kilos> for us anyway
[19:08] <bushtech> hmm, quite chuffed, I can see that at least one of my drives in raid is ext 4 (ver 1.0)
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <bushtech> so do you know that there is something wrong with the ssd?
[19:13] <Kilos> there must be, i got slower and slower and hung when copying folders and now it wont accept windows or ubuntu
[19:13] <Kilos> the first day with kde was magic the things started taking longer to happen
[19:14] <Kilos> ill move it to my old pc and see what happens there
[19:14] <bushtech> and have you got some utility that can tell you whats wrong exactly?
[19:14] <Kilos> atm i dont even want to see it
[19:15] <Kilos> i downloaded some ssd tools but i think they were on it
[19:15] <Kilos> will look here maybe i got them here hehe
[19:16] <Kilos> ya here i got a tool called samsung magician
[19:18] <Kilos> a firmware update might help. but disk utility says it good with no bad sectors
[19:20] <bushtech> thats odd then, try the firmware update
[19:24] <Kilos> i still have to learn how
[19:25] <Kilos> scared of firmware upgrading, best way to brick drives if you mess up
[19:26] <bushtech> where you got the firmware update there should be instructions on how to do it
[19:27] <Kilos> ya i think so but all that kind of info is normally for boffins
[19:28] <Kilos> oh have you joined our mailing list
[19:28] <Kilos> our other bally needs help
[19:28] <bushtech> nope
[19:28] <Kilos> he is older than me
[19:28] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[19:28] <bushtech> I'm on too many mailing lists
[19:29] <Kilos> kom kom nou
[19:29] <Kilos> ours is the most important one
[19:29] <Kilos> and not often more than 5 mails a day unless there is a prob
[19:30] <bushtech> Jan Greeff
[19:30] <Kilos> ya
[19:31] <Kilos> havent you had that same prob
[19:31] <Kilos> i have but forget what i did to fix it
[19:31] <Kilos> you get 640x480 resolution
[19:32] <bushtech> well on a monitor you could prob just press auto but on a laptop?
[19:34] <Kilos> im sure the prob is with the graphics drivers
[19:34] <Kilos> but with that resolution you cant even see the dash to start additional drivers
[19:40] <Kilos> eish the samsung disk magician is for windows
[19:41] <bushtech> het jy windows iewers?
[19:42] <Kilos> ya
[19:43] <Kilos> maar nie vir my lekker om dit te gebruik nie
[19:43] <Kilos> ill first read up more
[19:44] <bushtech> kan hy met die cursor buttons op die groot sceen rond beweeg?
[19:53] <Kilos> ek dink so ya maar dan kry jy vensters wat to groot is dat jy dit nie kan kleiner maak nie of skyf sodat jy die ok knoppie onder kan tiek nbie
[19:53] <Kilos> nie
[19:55] <superfly> So glad I have a 2TB hard drive. I just made a "video" file which is 355GB
[19:56] <Kilos> whew
[19:56] <bushtech> isnt a bluray disc about 50Gb?
[19:57] <Kilos> ?
[19:58] <Kilos> never even seen one
[19:58] <Kilos> Maaz  good blueray disk size
[19:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[19:58] <Kilos> ai!
[19:58] <Kilos> Maaz  google  blueray disk size
[19:58] <Maaz> Kilos: "Blu-ray Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc :: "1TB per disc: Sony and Panasonic team up on next-gen Blu-ray ..." http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/178166-1tb-per-disc-sony-and-panasonic-team-up-on-next-gen-blu-ray :: "Pioneer Increases Disc Size to 500GB - Blu-ray.com" http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1616 ::
[19:58] <Maaz> "What is Blu-ray? (Blu-ray, Blu-ray Disc, not Blue-ray or ... - Blu-ray.com" http://www.bl…
[19:59] <Kilos> looks like 500g to 1TB
[19:59] <Kilos> but wont be cheap i think
[20:00] <bushtech> I'm talking about bluray movie disks not storage
[20:00] <bushtech> 355gb just seems huge
[20:04] <Kilos> massive
[20:05] <Kilos> bigger than the lord of the rings trilogy
[20:07] <superfly> bushtech: it's uncompressed frames
[20:14] <Kilos> hi captine  
[20:15] <captine> evening all
[20:19] <Kilos> ai!
[20:19] <Kilos> poor jan struggling
[20:20] <captine> ?
[20:21] <Kilos> 12.4 install is hanging on the black screen that says it is 
[20:21] <Kilos> going down for a reboot after the fresh install. Last time it did that, 
[20:21] <Kilos> I force-quit it after a while and then got "file '/boot/grub/i386 
[20:21] <Kilos> -pc/normal.mod' not found" when I tried to restart.
[20:23] <captine> not fun.  i just finished struggling to get 14.04 working on my mac mini,=...  now i am doing the massive software installs for all the tools not included on the iso
[20:23] <captine> Kilos, i wish i could help.  not sure where to start
[20:24] <captine> what machine is it on?
[20:24] <Kilos> its ugly when an install reboots to black screen
[20:24] <Kilos> its jan greef on the mailing list on a lappy i think
[20:25] <captine> my mini did that on my first install.  dont think it liked my attempted btrfs home directory...
[20:25] <Kilos> Proline laptop
[20:26] <Kilos> if he can just get to a terminal ill get him going in sure
[20:29] <Kilos> something wrong with ubuntu-desktop install
[20:31] <captine> can u not pass some arguments at grub
[20:31] <captine> or does it not even get to the grub screen ?
[20:32] <Kilos> i dont know
[20:32] <Kilos> waiting for a reply
[20:33] <Kilos> It says "grub rescue> _" (cursor) but "sudo" is "unknown command"
[20:34] <captine> my standard is to just re-install... but might not be appropriate
[20:34] <captine> also, not really fixing it
[20:34] <Kilos> eish i been there before
[20:34] <captine> just covering it up
[20:35] <Kilos> he has installed twice already
[20:35] <captine> is it a fairly new machine?
[20:37] <captine> i need to crash
[20:38] <captine> i really dislike the software centre... lol
[20:38] <captine> always hanging on me
[20:38] <Kilos> yes software centre sucks , synaptic way better
[20:38] <Kilos> its slow as molasses as well the centre
[20:41] <Kilos> and synaptic can fix broken packages as well
[21:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:06] <Kilos> ohi nlsthzn  didnt see you but moeg now
[21:06] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow