[03:37] <wgkdgkskdg> jesus
[03:37] <wgkdgkskdg> what happened to lubuntu
[03:37] <wgkdgkskdg> I haven't used it in years but really has gone down hill
[03:38] <wgkdgkskdg> I was expecting a nice fast reliable Ubuntu direvative and was bombarded with eye goushing colours and bad performance
[03:38] <wgkdgkskdg> What happened?!
[03:38] <wgkdgkskdg> Lubuntu was amazing back in 2007~
[03:38] <wgkdgkskdg> xubuntu isn't any better
[03:43]  * hyperair wouldn't know
[03:43] <hyperair> bad performance is hopelessly vague
[03:44] <wgkdgkskdg> locking up
[03:44] <wgkdgkskdg> everywhere.
[03:44] <wgkdgkskdg> that better?
[03:44] <wgkdgkskdg> this is on a amd-c70 with 4gb of ram and a ssd
[03:44] <wgkdgkskdg> crunchbang fies.
[03:44] <wgkdgkskdg> flies*
[03:45] <hyperair> slightly
[03:45] <hyperair> hmm ssd
[03:45] <hyperair> =\
[03:45]  * hyperair was guessing hard disk slowness at first
[03:45] <hyperair> and i've no idea what an amd-c70 is
[03:45] <wgkdgkskdg> fffxlanf
[03:45] <wgkdgkskdg> xlanekxlanis xlan
[03:46] <hyperair> ?
[03:46] <werwerwr> jesus
[03:47] <werwerwr> even the keyboard input is lagging.
[03:47] <werwerwr> that's how bad it is. it's like lubuntu is having a stroke
[03:47] <werwerwr> jesus
[03:48] <werwerwr> ; - ;
[04:16] <holstein> werwerwr: its not having a stroke here
[04:16] <werwerwr> it is here holstein
[04:16] <holstein> werwerwr: when i encounter issues like that, i'll start testing the physical hardware.. the ram and the hard drive.. then, i'll start isolating driver support
[04:17] <werwerwr> holstein: the hardware is fine
[04:17] <holstein> werwerwr: if you havent tested, then you are assuming that. and there *is* a problem, and im not saying the problem is not with lubuntu running on your specific hardware
[04:17] <werwerwr> holstein: i'm going back to crunchbang. it ran perfectly
[04:17] <holstein> werwerwr: comparing #! is a good test, since, that will help you know if the hardware is functional, but, that is a much older kernel, and hardware support
[04:17] <werwerwr> even without video drivers.
[04:18] <werwerwr> holstein: it's not that old.
[04:18] <holstein> werwerwr: you *have* video drivers.. you mean, without adding the proprietary driver
[04:18] <werwerwr> well the opensource pos
[04:18] <werwerwr> I have the proprietary one on lubuntu
[04:18] <holstein> werwerwr: im not saying "the kernel is old". im stating the fact that it *is* older than the lubuntu one
[04:18] <werwerwr> holstein: eh
[04:18] <holstein> werwerwr: the kernel in lubuntu, im assuming you are using 14.04?
[04:19] <werwerwr> ye
[04:19] <holstein> that kernel is much newer than the one in crunchbang.. assuming you would like to consructively discuss what could be causing whatever issues you are seeing
[04:20] <werwerwr> holstein: lubuntu litterally just had a stroke
[04:20] <werwerwr> the keyboard was delayed by 6 seconds and repeated it's self.
[04:21] <holstein> werwerwr: cool.. just let the volunteers here know if you have a question
[04:21] <werwerwr> holstein: ...
[04:22] <holstein> werwerwr: i obviously have some ideas about how to track down what you are experiencing, but you'll have to ask
[04:22] <werwerwr> holstein: /passive agressive
[04:22] <holstein> werwerwr: not in the slightest.. you are not asking questions
[04:22] <holstein> werwerwr: i cant constructively answer statements :/
[04:22] <werwerwr> Why did lubuntu butcher performance in the newest versions?
[04:23] <holstein> werwerwr: i say again, "lubuntu" didnt
[04:23] <werwerwr> I used to be able to run lubuntu on a p2 / celeron reasonably
[04:23] <holstein> werwerwr: its fine here
[04:23] <werwerwr> holstein: specs?
[04:23] <holstein> werwerwr: the linux kernel, these days, is not intended for that old of hardware
[04:23] <holstein> werwerwr: its a fact that hardware support is pulled out of the kernel, but that is upstream
[04:24] <holstein> werwerwr: i have ran 14.04 on a 900mhz celeron with no issues
[04:24] <werwerwr> holstein: they didn't pull p2
[04:24] <werwerwr> Support got dropped for 486 iirc
[04:24] <holstein> werwerwr: i didnt say or imply anyone pulled anyhting
[04:24] <werwerwr> Pentium is still supported for now
[04:24] <holstein> anything*
[04:24] <werwerwr> [22:23] <holstein> werwerwr: its a fact that hardware support is pulled out of the kernel, but that is upstream
[04:24] <holstein> werwerwr: im stating a fact,a nd that you may not get support for your p2 hardware
[04:24] <holstein> werwerwr: graphics, audio. etc
[04:25] <werwerwr> eh
[04:25] <holstein> werwerwr: you may have compromises, since, the kernel, that is fed from upsrteam *does* sunset hardare support
[04:25] <holstein> werwerwr: you state the #! kernel supports the hardware, maybe just go with that.. and stay on that kernel
[04:25] <werwerwr> holstein: the hardware wont be dropped for a while
[04:25] <holstein> werwerwr: *great*!
[04:25] <holstein> werwerwr: so, whats the deal, friend?
[04:26] <werwerwr> lubuntu performs horribly on a modern laptop
[04:26] <holstein> werwerwr: have you tried the vesa graphics driver to isolate the graphicds driver?
[04:26] <holstein> werwerwr: have you tried nomodeset?
[04:26] <holstein> !nomodeset
[04:26] <werwerwr> my computer boots fine
[04:26] <holstein> werwerwr: a p2 is*not* a modern laptop
[04:26] <werwerwr> the issue is that little things like using the file manager can lock the system up
[04:26] <werwerwr> holstein: I've been talking about my laptop this entire time
[04:27] <holstein> werwerwr: i hear that, friend. but, it *doesnt* lock up here
[04:27] <werwerwr> it does here :/
[04:27] <holstein> werwerwr: and, that laptop is a p2?
[04:27] <werwerwr> AMD C70
[04:27] <werwerwr> dual core, 2mb l2 cache IIRC
[04:27] <werwerwr> 4gb of ram, 60gb SSD
[04:27] <holstein> werwerwr: i ask again, have you tested with the vesa driver? or nomodeset?
[04:28] <werwerwr> holstein: I've tried flgrx and vesa
[04:28] <werwerwr> what's the point on nomodset if the gpu works fine?
[04:29] <holstein> werwerwr: the gpu hardare support is what i would like you to isolate. that is the point
[04:29] <holstein> werwerwr: but, we are going to get no-where
[04:29] <holstein> werwerwr: i suggest, you go to the mailing list for main ubuntu. that is where the relevant hardware support you are dealing is anyways
[04:29] <holstein> nothing you are reporting is related specifically to lubuntu
[04:30] <holstein> i suggest you dont take my word for that, and just try the xubuntu and/or main ubuntu live isos on that hardware
[04:30] <holstein> when you see the performance is similar, you can seek help in a larger community
[04:30] <werwerwr> holstein: I know that crunchbang performs better
[04:30] <holstein> werwerwr: do you understand why?
[04:30] <werwerwr> Debian + LXDE / GNOME3 performs horribly
[04:31] <werwerwr> holstein: I don't.
[04:31] <holstein> werwerwr: its a different kernel.. nothing to with with the DE's
[04:31] <holstein> werwerwr: install #!.. on that *same* kernel, install lxde..
[04:31] <werwerwr> holstein: lubuntu is running a newer version. that does not make sense
[04:31] <werwerwr> holstein: I've run the newest SID kernel's
[04:31] <holstein> werwerwr: *cool*
[04:31] <werwerwr> performance was still fine
[04:31] <holstein> werwerwr: pleast use the main #ubuntu channel
[04:31] <holstein> werwerwr: i cannot help you like that
[04:31] <werwerwr> ...
[04:32] <holstein> werwerwr: the different kernel and drivers included there is the deal
[04:32] <werwerwr> holstein: I don't get why you are only blaming the GPU when I never mentioned any graphical issues or lockups
[04:32] <holstein> werwerwr: im not
[04:32] <werwerwr> holstein: same kernel, same sources.
[04:32] <werwerwr> minor changes.
[04:32] <holstein> werwerwr: im "blaming" the kernel version.. different drivers
[04:32] <werwerwr> I highly doubt there's specific changes for my hardware
[04:32] <holstein> werwerwr: not minor and all
[04:32] <holstein> werwerwr: dont doubt it at all. *actually* test that, and you'll see
[04:33] <holstein> werwerwr: you'll see that lxde *will* work fine in #! on that kernel. and you can look at xubuntu and maing ubuntu 14.04 running live on the hardware
[04:33] <werwerwr> I don't see what changes that would be made from a debian derivitive to a ubuntu derivitive that should be this negative on performance
[04:33] <holstein> werwerwr: kernel regressions
[04:33] <werwerwr> holstein: I've run the newest kernel that SID has
[04:33] <werwerwr> I didn't get any performance issues
[04:33] <holstein> werwerwr: *great*!
[04:33] <holstein> werwerwr: just install that then, and use it
[04:33] <werwerwr> I have tried xubuntu. performance was hit and miss.
[04:34] <holstein> !bug
[04:34] <werwerwr> that was with a HDD
[04:34] <holstein> werwerwr: i already suggested the issue could be hardware, since you are on an different hard drive.. you stated you have tested for that. and thats why i suggest testing live,to isolate that
[04:35] <holstein> werwerwr: its a matter of isolating variables. and not assuming anything
[04:35] <holstein> werwerwr: a team of professionals were hired to provide you windows support for your hardware there.. you take that burden on yourself when running linux, and you have to be willing to test, and isolate, and work with volunteers
[04:35] <werwerwr> holstein: I've tried xubuntu lubuntu, debian, and crunchbang all on this hardware. on a HDD and SSD
[04:36] <holstein> !bug
[04:36] <werwerwr> what proffessionalls?
[04:36] <werwerwr> lol
[04:36] <holstein> werwerwr: then file the bug, and follow up
[04:36] <werwerwr> holstein: I don't know what package it is so filing a bug report would be a waste of developer's time
[04:36] <holstein> werwerwr: the professionals you purchased the hardware from, that didnt promise you linux support
[04:37] <holstein> werwerwr: ok.. then, good luck to you.. try the #ubuntu channel, since your issue is not with lxde or lubuntu, but hardware
[04:37] <holstein> werwerwr: hardware support*
[04:37] <werwerwr> holstein: they also didn't promise windows support
[04:38] <werwerwr> holstein: how is it a hardware issue when the one distro has the problem
[04:38] <holstein> werwerwr: lubuntu is a flavor
[04:38] <holstein> werwerwr: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[04:38] <werwerwr> holstein: lubuntu is very different from ubuntu
[04:38] <werwerwr> there's many changes under the hood
[04:38] <holstein> werwerwr: same kernel.. same hardware support
[04:38] <werwerwr> holstein: many changes.
[04:39] <werwerwr> holstein: ubuntu is a debian derivative
[04:39] <holstein> werwerwr: so, you install main ubuntu, and have the same packages all up to date, and *everything* is fine, correct?
[04:39] <holstein> werwerwr: then, you add lubuntu or lxde, and its bad? correct?
[04:40] <holstein> with the *same* kernel? all up to date?
[04:40] <holstein> i think its more likely, you tried them at different times.. and had different kernels..
[04:41] <werwerwr> holstein: I can't get the current lubuntu to be useable on a p3
[04:41] <holstein> its not a random, unknown happenging, that one kernel supports hardware well, and an upgrade breaks support.. its common.. kernel regressions
[04:41] <werwerwr> lubuntu has become a resource hog compared to it's former self
[04:42] <holstein> werwerwr: i ask again.. so, you have the *same* kernel in main ubuntu 14.04 and all is well? and installing lubuntu or lxde into that *same* installation breaks it? that is correct?
[04:42] <holstein> werwerwr: lubuntu inherits a lot of its code.. the kernel, etc.. if you dont like, it, i assure you, no one will force it on your machine
[04:42] <holstein> werwerwr: if you find it a "resource hog", go with something lighter.. i use just openbox..
[04:43] <holstein> werwerwr: is that the case? normal, main ubuntu is fine? and you add lxde? and its broken?
[04:43] <werwerwr> holstein: Lubuntu is using 2.8gb of ram
[04:43] <werwerwr> I have firefox open with 5 tabs.
[04:43] <werwerwr> a terminal
[04:43] <werwerwr> sorry, 2 terminals
[04:43] <werwerwr> the software updater and the lubuntu software center open
[04:43] <holstein> werwerwr: the machine i run lubuntu on only has 1gb of ram.. it runs well..
[04:43] <werwerwr> 2.8gb.
[04:44] <werwerwr> being used for this.
[04:44] <holstein> werwerwr: again, if you have a question, ask it
[04:44] <werwerwr> i'm pretty sure there's a memory leak somewhere
[04:44] <holstein> werwerwr: like, "how do i locate run away processes? " etc
[04:44] <holstein> ps aux or using top or htop, and you can find what to file a bug against
[04:44] <holstein> werwerwr: though, its likely flash in firefox.. if that is running..
[04:44] <werwerwr> no flash
[04:45] <holstein> werwerwr: *anytime* you say "pretty sure" just test for that
[04:45] <werwerwr> this machine instantly hangs with flash
[04:45] <holstein> werwerwr: mine doesnt
[04:45] <holstein> werwerwr: i run lubuntu on 1 gig of ram with pepperflash.. as many tabs as i like
[04:45] <werwerwr> It's firefox.
[04:45] <werwerwr> FireFox is eating 1.8gb of ram.
[04:45] <holstein> werwerwr: *great*!.. so, you *do* know what to file the bug against, then
[04:47] <werwerwr> I don't know how to file an anonymous bug report
[04:47] <werwerwr> also I told you it wasn't my hardware
[04:47] <holstein> werwerwr: just contact mozilla directly, as you please
[04:49] <werwerwr> I have in the past
[04:49] <werwerwr> I was told to run a older version or close tabs
[04:49] <werwerwr> FireFox is a POS
[04:50] <holstein> werwerwr: since the tune has just recently, like in the past few minutes, changed from "lubuntu is a POS" to "firefox is a POS", consider trying to be more constructive
[04:50] <holstein> you can always join that community and ask how to get envolved, and help them help you..
[04:51] <holstein> wow
[04:51] <holstein> no, thats ok.. no oppologies needed ;)
[04:51] <holstein> who talks to people like that..
[04:52] <werwerwer> holstein: consider being less rassvv  andassvrassv arassv arassv arassv arassv arassv arassv ar
[04:52] <werwerwer> holstein: lubuntu just had another stroke.
[04:52] <werwerwer> also I still think Lubuntu sucks now.
[04:52] <holstein> werwerwer: as i said before, just let the volunteers here know if you have a question..
[04:52] <werwerwer> I've thought the same of FireFox for years now.
[04:52] <holstein> werwerwer: and, as i said, no one makes you use lubuntu.. or firefox..
[04:53] <werwerwer> holstein: no one makes you act passive agressive
[04:53] <holstein> werwerwer: please use one of the ot channels to vent frustrations.
[04:53] <holstein> !ot | werwerwer
[04:53] <werwerwer> ...
[04:54] <holstein> werwerwer: i assure you, i mean for nothing to be passive toward you.. i am directly frustrated with our time together, and i am going to wish you good luck, and suggest you use a larger channel, since this channel is usually slow
[04:54] <werwerwer> ...
[04:54] <werwerwer> this channel is slow at night
[04:54] <werwerwer> during the day it gets quite nice and active
[04:55] <holstein> werwerwer: this is a fact, friend.. this channel is slow. the channel is logged.. and i am here *all* the time
[04:55] <holstein> werwerwer: i am not asking you if you *think* its busy or not.. im sharing with you a suggestion where you can get more assistance.. the #ubuntu channel
[04:55] <werwerwer> I'm here all the time under various names.
[04:56] <werwerwer> the #ubuntu channel is horrid.
[04:56] <holstein> anyways, good luck to you, and i will discontinue my volunteer services now..
[04:56] <werwerwer> I voiced concern over a bug in the installer and reqeusted assistance
[04:56] <werwerwer> I got labled a troll and had a member repeatidly tell people not to talk to me as I was a troll because he couldn't recreate teh bug with a older ubuntu installer
[04:56] <werwerwer> Others re-created the bug with the same installer I used.
[04:56] <werwerwer> Still not fixed to date for that release.
[04:57] <holstein> werwerwer: that release?
[04:57] <holstein> werwerwer: what release?
[04:57] <werwerwer> 9.04 iirc
[04:57] <holstein> werwerwer: its not an LTS
[04:57] <werwerwer> it was a bug where if a usb medium was used to install Ubuntu would continue to search for a CD
[04:57] <holstein> i just cant help but share facts..
[04:58] <holstein> when its not supported anymore, it wont be addressed..
[04:58] <holstein> doesnt matter what the bug is, the support term is up..
[04:59] <werwerwer> ...
[04:59] <holstein> to say "its still not fixed to this date, in that release" is just to misunderstand how the system works. thats all im referencing
[04:59] <werwerwer> it was a active problem at the time and how a volenteer responded was innapropriate and made me abandon ubuntu
[04:59] <holstein> *nothing* gets fixed about unsupported releases like that
[04:59] <holstein> they are not supported anymore
[05:00] <holstein> werwerwer: no one can make you do anything. you choose to abandon
[05:00] <werwerwer> holstein: it made me abandon
[05:00] <werwerwer> It's hard to use a distro that can't be installed while you get called a troll by a moron
[05:00] <holstein> werwerwer: no, it didnt.. you *chose* to, which is fine
[05:01] <werwerwer> it did.
[05:01] <holstein> werwerwer: again, please use the OT channels to vent
[05:01] <werwerwer> do you not speak english as your first language (serious question, not meaning to be rude)
[05:03] <werwerwer> holstein:
[05:04] <werwerwer> ?
[05:04] <werwerwer> holstein: you understand that when something doesn't work and there is no solution to make it work it forces you to abandon it
[05:04] <werwerwer> it's not a choice if you require it
[05:05] <holstein> werwerwer: no, its not force of any kind.. please stop using this channel to vent..
[05:05] <werwerwer> it is force.
[05:05] <werwerwer> I am not venting either but merely explaining why I wont use #ubuntu for help
[05:05] <holstein> werwerwer: you dont need to.. just dont use it, then..
[05:06] <holstein> werwerwer: i require no explanation for the channels you are not in..
[05:07] <werwerwer> holstein: I did need to
[05:07] <holstein> werwerwer: im saying, you dont. you need not communicate that to me.. so, please stop,.i dont want you communicating that to me, and its not on topic for the channel..
[05:08] <werwerwer> holstein: you blamed my hardware then my gpu then told me to ask #ubuntu...
[05:08] <werwerwer> then told me "facts" about this channel and that there's no such thing as "force" with Linux distros
[05:08] <holstein> werwerwer: no... i blamed nothing, offered volunteer help, and suggested a more populated channel
[05:08] <holstein> werwerwer: please use an OT channel
[05:09] <werwerwer> you blamed.
[05:09] <werwerwer> you said that it was the hardware then the kernel
[05:09] <holstein> werwerwer: hardware *support*, which is in the kernel
[05:09] <werwerwer> holstein: even when using the same kernel the problem popped up in one distro not the other
[05:09] <holstein> werwerwer: im not interested in a recap..
[05:09] <werwerwer> both are direvatives of the same distro
[05:10] <holstein> werwerwer: so, i ask again, when you install main ubuntu 14.04? all is fine? and when you add lxde? it breaks?
[05:10] <holstein> werwerwer: "derivitives" is not enough.. its not isolating the kernel as a variable
[05:11] <werwerwer> holstein: I installed it a week ago.
[05:11] <werwerwer> I didn't install lxde.
[05:11] <werwerwer> I used UNity
[05:11] <holstein> werwerwer: so, i ask again, when you install main ubuntu 14.04? all is fine? and when you add lxde? it breaks?
[05:11] <werwerwer> yes it was fine
[05:11] <werwerwer> no lxde
[05:11] <werwerwer> like I just said
[05:11] <holstein> werwerwer: if you have not done that, please try that ^
[05:12] <werwerwer> ...
[05:12] <werwerwer> pretty sure when lxde runs fine in debian and unity on ubuntu but lxde on lubuntu has problems something is up with lubuntu
[05:12] <holstein> werwerwer: and, thats all i ask that you address.. the "pretty sure" part there
[05:13] <werwerwer> I never said pretty sure
[05:13] <holstein> werwerwer: im not saying you are wrong.. im asking that you isolate that variable, and prove that
[05:13] <holstein> werwerwer: friend, the sentence right above there states "pretty sure"
[05:13] <holstein> 00:12 < werwerwer> pretty sure when lxde runs fine in debian and unity on ubuntu but lxde on lubuntu has problems something is up with lubuntu
[05:13] <holstein> 00:12 < holstein> werwerwer: and, thats all i ask that you address.. the "pretty sure" part there
[05:13] <holstein> 00:13 < werwerwer> I never said pretty sure
[05:14] <werwerwer> ...
[05:14] <holstein> werwerwer: anyways, install main ubuntu, see that you are up to date with upgrades.. see that all is well.. then, install lxde, see that its broken,a nd file a bug against lxde
[05:14] <werwerwer> you sound like the same guy who couldn't recreate teh bug in ubuntu
[05:14] <holstein> werwerwer: its likely becuase i *cant* recreate the issue you are having, which, is not a bug, yet
[05:15] <werwerwer> holstein: >I can't recreate it so it's not a problem
[05:15] <werwerwer> >I haven't attempted to recreate it
[05:16] <holstein> werwerwer: if the problem is, "i run lubuntu and its bad", then, i run lubuntu, and its fine
[05:16] <holstein> werwerwer: i *have*, and am currently attempting
[05:16] <holstein> werwerwer: i welcome facts about how you think i can recreate it
[05:16] <werwerwer> holstein: For FireFox
[05:16] <werwerwer> just open it.
[05:17] <holstein> werwerwer: ok..
[05:17] <holstein> werwerwer: and.. ?
[05:17] <werwerwer> open a few tabs and let it idle
[05:18] <werwerwer> I'm running FireFox 33
[05:19] <holstein> werwerwer: are you using ubuntu 14.04? or 14.10? or 12.04? a ppa for firefox? the repo one?
[05:20] <holstein> 32, 64bit?
[05:20] <werwerwer> lubuntu 14
[05:20] <werwerwer> the one that comes with it
[05:21] <werwerwer> 32bit I bleieve
[05:21] <holstein> werwerwer: i ask again, and no "i beleives" please
[05:21] <holstein> werwerwer: are you using ubuntu 14.04? or 14.10? 32bit? 64bit?
[05:21] <holstein> werwerwer: help me help you..
[05:21] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/41332/how-do-i-check-if-i-have-a-32-bit-or-a-64-bit-os
[05:22] <holstein> uname -a in a terminal..
[05:22] <werwerwer> ...
[05:22] <werwerwer> ......
[05:23] <werwerwer> you need to be clear about what you want to know 32bit or 64bit for as firefox has a 64bit flavour
[05:23] <werwerwer> it's 64bit Lubuntu 14
[05:23] <holstein> werwerwer: i ask again, friend. are you using ubuntu 14.04 or 14.10?
[05:24] <werwerwer> holstein: uname isn't telling me
[05:24] <werwerwer> and I don't remember off the top of my head
[05:24] <holstein> werwerwer: this is what i need to make sure i am doing the same as you
[05:24] <holstein> werwerwer: otherwise, its a waste of time
[05:25] <werwerwer> 14.10
[05:25] <holstein> werwerwer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckingYourUbuntuVersion
[05:25] <werwerwer> 14.10
[05:27] <holstein> werwerwer: i have firefox open, with many tabs.. 1gb of ram on a 900mhz celeron
[05:27] <holstein> works as expected
[05:27] <holstein> im on 32bit 14.04
[05:27] <holstein> werwerwer: im not going to install 14.10 to confirm an issue with you like that..
[05:28] <holstein> werwerwer: you can try the mailing list, or mozilla suppot
[05:28] <holstein> support
[05:28] <holstein> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/
[05:28] <holstein> werwerwer: you should be prepared to offer your specs, and facts
[05:30] <holstein> 20 tabs gets it up to 20% memory, of my 1gb
[05:32] <holstein> id say, installing 14.04 will address all the issues you are having.. get you a kernel closer to the #! one you like..
[05:32] <holstein> anyways, good luck.. im out..
[05:32] <holstein> i wish i could say its been fun..
[08:24] <Thunder1> i open jdownloader with the command "sh ./jd.sh" out of the download folder. how can i make a desktop icon?
[15:18] <xvzf> hi there xfce energy is not running, but, in spite of this, the machine locks itself after some ten minutes. what else can do this?
[22:35] <tr0p> hi, do you know if F2FS is supported by the lubuntu-alternate-disc's installer? I heared some rumours but i am not sure....