[00:00] <Nirgali42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes well this is useful
[00:01] <Nirgali42> and a touch keyboard with everything on one page rather than being paginated
[01:23] <Nirgali42> ugh 5.x downloaded to my phone
[01:24] <Nirgali42> I just had to fix the recovery and reinstall the root and dual boot apps
[01:24] <Nirgali42> it's still sitting there waiting to install... I want to delete the dang thing so it doesnt
[01:26] <Nirgali42> I recovered from  forgetting to prepare the 4.4.4 update before running it
[03:42] <Nirgali42> does this still apply? "Even if you get OpenJDK, you'll still have to deal with the display server. Ubuntu Touch uses Android's SurfaceFlinger currenty, and will switch to Mir soon, but it won't run X11. As far as I know, Java's AWT and Swing don't support either SurfaceFlinger or Mir, so they wouldn't be able to display GUIs"
[03:45] <AceLan> Nirgali42: using mir now
[03:49] <Nirgali42> AceLan: so how difficult would it be to get X11 working?
[03:50] <nhaines> Nirgali42: you'd have to start from scratch.
[03:50] <Nirgali42> okay
[03:50] <nhaines> XMir is coming along nicely, but no plans to ship it on the phone in the future.
[03:51] <Nirgali42> I found this nexus 10 so I could put pcgen on it for tabletop gaming sessions
[03:51] <Nirgali42> which is a java app
[03:52] <Nirgali42> I am happy living on the bleeding edge if there is a bit of documentation somewhere to work with XMir and start from scratch
[03:54] <Nirgali42> oops, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and think I broke the boot to android
[03:54] <Nirgali42> heh
[03:55] <nhaines> You can't apt-get upgrade on Ubuntu on mobile devices.
[03:55] <nhaines> It breaks everything.
[03:55] <Nirgali42> that should have been in big red letters in the document lol
[03:56] <Nirgali42> guess I can start over
[03:58] <Nirgali42> just to be safe
[03:58] <nhaines> Never hurts.
[03:58] <Nirgali42> but then... if I can't get pcgen on it, there isn't a point
[03:59] <nhaines> Well, there's that too.  :)
[03:59] <Nirgali42> other than to say I've done it
[03:59] <Nirgali42> but I did it
[03:59] <Nirgali42> and it's cool
[03:59] <nhaines> It's nice to give it a little spin for a bit.  :)
[04:00] <Nirgali42> I would love to support it 100% but I'm a minimalist at heart. If I don't have a need for something...
[04:00] <nhaines> I'm hoping for an Ubuntu announcement before I have to buy a tablet.
[04:00] <nhaines> Makes sense.
[04:00] <Nirgali42> what do you mean announcement?
[04:01] <nhaines> Such as "don't buy an Android tablet because an Ubuntu tablet is coming."
[04:01] <Nirgali42> ohh
[04:01] <Nirgali42> apple really put a hurt on that process, I thought ubuntu was going to drop it altogether
[04:01] <Nirgali42> but I guess there was enough interest
[04:02] <nhaines> No need.  The phone, tablet, and desktop OSes are all identical.
[04:02] <nhaines> But I want a tablet I can sync a keyboard and mouse to and have a standard desktop.  I'll pay good money for that when it gets here.
[04:02] <Nirgali42> yeah, I thought it was here already
[04:02] <Nirgali42> my mistake
[04:02] <Nirgali42> I may just put this back in the box and take it back
[04:03] <Nirgali42> unless there is a nice app for viewing files
[04:03] <nhaines> Well, there's the File Manager.  :)
[04:03] <nhaines> Convergent desktop is post 16.04 LTS, btw.  :)
[04:04] <Nirgali42> not familiar with that
[04:05] <Nirgali42> I've been out of touch with desktop technology
[04:05] <Nirgali42> I've been nothing but linux server admin for years
[04:05] <Nirgali42> using mac at work and the other one for games at home
[04:05] <nhaines> Convergence is where the phone, tablet, and desktop all run Unity 8 and the interface adapts to the display and inputs you have available on your device.
[04:06] <Nirgali42> ah
[04:06] <Nirgali42> that's nifty
[04:06] <Nirgali42> unity 8 is the current ubuntu interface right?
[04:06] <nhaines> Unity 7 is the current desktop interface, and Unity 8 is the phone interface.
[04:07] <Nirgali42> oh
[04:07] <nhaines> (But when desktop mode is added to Unity 8, it should look pretty much just like 7)
[04:07] <nhaines> So it's not a Windows 8 style of thing.  :)
[04:07] <Nirgali42> I would never dishonor a project like that
[04:08] <nhaines> Anyway, I'm *really* looking forward to going on vacation with only my phone, and then plugging it into the hotel TV and adding a bluetooth mouse and keyboard and loading up Firefox and looking at pictures of cats at the end of th night.
[04:08] <nhaines> No laptop required.  :)
[04:09] <Nirgali42> lol
[04:09] <nhaines> That's worth soooo much money to me.  (Especially as I plan for SCALE next month.)
[04:10] <Nirgali42> no kidding
[04:10] <Nirgali42> I'm sad that this hasn't happened yet
[04:11] <nhaines> Well, it's lots of work and people would rather disparage Ubuntu and Canonical than help out with Mir.  So unfortunately it's down to the small Canonical team working on it.  :)
[04:11] <Nirgali42> the way things have been going, I figured I could have picked up this nexus 10, drop ubuntu on it, plugin a mouse/keyboard and run X11 apps
[04:11] <nhaines> Nope.  Right now they're just trying to make sure that Ubuntu apps are the best they can be.
[04:12] <Nirgali42> I don't understand that statement. What's up with the relationship between canonical and the community?
[04:13] <nhaines> Just philosophical agreements.
[04:13] <nhaines> Err, disagreements.
[04:17] <Nirgali42> hee
[04:19] <Nirgali42> if you had to guess, how far off is that concept?
[04:19] <Nirgali42> as you say, it's worth quite a bit
[04:19] <Nirgali42> and should be for a lot of people
[04:20] <nhaines> Last I heard, they're targeting Ubuntu 16.10.
[04:20] <Nirgali42> oh right you said that
[04:21] <Nirgali42> that's quite a way off
[04:21] <nhaines> It's a lot of work.  :)
[04:21] <Nirgali42> the industry doesn't wait
[04:21] <nhaines> Well, Canonical haven't started working on desktop mode Unity 8 yet, but someone started in December and they merged some chagnes.
[04:22] <nhaines> So it's not like if someone started working on it and the work was compatible with Canonical's plans, it wouldn't get accepted.
[04:22] <Nirgali42> true
[04:23] <Nirgali42> that xmir thing is key
[04:24] <Nirgali42> with that, so many programs would work with minimal effort
[04:26] <nhaines> Right now I think the mouse works but others stuff doesn't.
[04:27] <nhaines> On the other hand, at some point, QT and GTK apps will just work natively on Mir.
[04:27] <nhaines> So they won't need XMir at all.  :)
[04:28] <Nirgali42> no hope for java
[04:28] <Nirgali42> but the thought had crossed me mind
[04:28] <Nirgali42> X11 is old technology
[04:29] <nhaines> 1983 if I remember.  :)
[04:30] <Nirgali42> apps should all be going the way of mir or something like it
[04:30] <Nirgali42> and it will happen if it is ported to desktop platforms
[04:30] <nhaines> Mir already runs on the desktop, it's just not very pleasant.  :)
[04:31] <Nirgali42> I should have said, succesfully ported to
[04:31] <nhaines> But apps don't need ported to Mir, only toolkits.  So that's the good news.  GTK already runs great.
[04:31] <Nirgali42> ah well apps need to be ported to toolkits
[04:31] <Nirgali42> how about a qt or gtk java interface
[04:32] <nhaines> I guess someone would have to write that.  :)
[04:32] <Nirgali42> lol
[04:32] <Nirgali42> unfortunately they are c++
[04:33] <Nirgali42> that would never happen
[04:33] <Nirgali42> I think
[04:33] <nhaines> Well, you'd have to write wrappers.  I suspect that it would make for some very happy programmers and users though.
[04:33] <Nirgali42> port java to mir and it's all good
[04:33] <nhaines> Whatever the Java toolkit is.  SWIFT or something?
[04:34] <Nirgali42> not really sure
[04:35] <Nirgali42> I remember awt
[04:35] <Nirgali42> but that was a long time ago
[04:35] <Nirgali42> FX?
[04:35] <nhaines> I dunno, I've happily stuck with Python.  :)
[04:35] <Nirgali42> yeah python is cool
[04:35] <Nirgali42> we use it at work
[04:35] <Nirgali42> for cfengine
[04:36] <Nirgali42> lots of our sysadmin tools are written in python
[04:36] <Nirgali42> no not swift
[04:36] <Nirgali42> swing
[04:39] <Nirgali42> looks like swing and javafx will be side by side for forseeable future
[04:42] <nhaines> Ah, swing!  That's right.
[04:42] <Nirgali42> my last statement for the night is this
[04:42] <Nirgali42> X11 needs to die in a fire
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:43] <Nirgali42> until it is dead
[04:44] <nhaines> It'll fade off into obscurity.  :)
[04:44] <Nirgali42> not soon enough
[04:45] <Nirgali42> but if people realize ubunutu is doing the right thing the world would be a better place
[04:45] <Nirgali42> the other two factions need to realize X11 should die in a fire
[09:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Static Electricity Day! :-D
[11:18] <mardy> chrisccoulson: hi! I'm working on making Online Accounts plugin being confined by apparmor, and I'm running into some unexpected denials when using the UbuntuWebView
[11:19] <mardy> chrisccoulson: I copy-pasted the webview template into my apparmor profile, but still I'm running into denials; I'll copy paste only the first one:
[11:20] <mardy> chrisccoulson: Jan  9 13:58:47 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 3838.708529] type=1400 audit(1420801127.138:112): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="com.ubuntu.reminders_evernote-account-plugin_0.5.latest//oxide_helper" name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=8800 comm="oxide-renderer" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[11:24] <mardy> chrisccoulson: this is the profile I'm using: http://pastebin.com/CS1RQkfw
[11:29] <frenda> Can I install ubuntu phone on my touch screen laptop (Acer)?
[11:29] <popey> kinda.
[11:29] <popey> frenda: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/unity-8-daily-build-images-go-live
[11:29] <frenda> Alongside Windoes 8?
[11:30] <frenda> Does it install grub?
[11:31] <popey> I don't know. I haven't installed it yet. willcooke  may know
[11:32] <willcooke> yeah
[11:32] <willcooke> it does
[11:32] <willcooke> seb128, right?  ^^
[11:33] <frenda> does grub support touch screen monitors? (laptops)
[11:33] <willcooke> not that I know of
[11:34] <frenda> Isn't there anything else to switch between OSes?
[11:36] <popey> good question.
[11:36] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/396950/tabletpc-os-selection-in-grub-using-volume-and-windows-buttons
[11:36] <popey> seems you're not the first to ask
[11:42] <frenda> S, The answer is NO!
[12:47] <seb128> willcooke, correct
[13:13] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I finally installed unity8-desktop-session-mir on my Vivid Vervet Intel BayTrail tablet. When I try to log into the Unity8-mir Session, the screen first turns black, then the mouse cursor appears in the top left corner and nothing happens. I can move the cursor over the black screen and that was about it.
[13:15] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: getting anything in ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log?
[13:17] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: "libEGL warning: unsupported platform (null)" right at the beginning doesn't look too good I suppose
[13:18] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: is this a normal vivid install?
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: Jep
[13:18] <mzanetti> greyback: any hints?
[13:19] <greyback> mzanetti: sturmflut-work: that's actually not a critical error, it's just a nonsense message.
[13:19] <sturmflut-work> greyback: Okay
[13:19] <mzanetti> ok... sturmflut-work, anything printed after that?
[13:20] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: Yes, I'll get a clean logfile and then come back
[13:35] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I found a difference between a working Unity8-Mir-Session on a Core i5 and the non-working setup on the BayTrail tablet
[13:35] <mzanetti> which is?
[13:36] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: The installations should be identical, but as it seems on the Core i5 "libmirplatform5driver.so" is loaded versus "libmirplatform4driver.so" on BayTrail
[13:36] <mzanetti> interesting...
[13:36] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: For some reason both libraries are installed on both systems
[13:37] <mzanetti> I don't have the 5 one yet
[13:37] <mzanetti> I do have 3 and 4 though
[13:39] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I have both libmirplatform4driver-mesa_0.9.0+15.04.20141125-0ubuntu2_amd64 and libmirplatform5driver-mesa_0.10.0+15.04.20150107.2-0ubuntu1_amd64 installed
[13:40] <mzanetti> I don't have too much experience with this... it just worked for my use cases... let me fire up my vm and compare
[13:43] <greyback> sturmflut-work: we just had a new Mir release, 0.1.0. I think I heard of some packaging problems with it. Suggest you "dpkg -l | mir" and remove any mir packages that are of the older version
[13:44] <mzanetti> geez, my vm is totally outdated, only have version 3
[13:44]  * mzanetti thought he updated it 2 days ago
[13:44] <sturmflut-work> greyback: Will do. It might also be caused by some GPU driver problems, BayTrail is not a terribly stable platform.
[13:45] <mzanetti> isn't it an intel one?
[13:46] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: One would think that "Intel-powered x86 tablet" makes things easier, but in reality I'm having problems with pretty much everything from ACPI to WiFi.
[13:46] <greyback> sturmflut-work: that's a fair point
[13:47] <mzanetti> well, acpi might be vivid related too
[13:47] <mzanetti> having troubles with that on my notebook too atm
[13:49] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: They changed a lot of ACPI stuff in the 3.18 and 3.19 kernels. Some things got better, others didn't change, and some things got worse. For example the battery is not detected on my tablet and despite multiple patches which were supposed to fix the problem the issue is still open
[13:51] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: so I've upgraded my vm now and while I did get the libmirplatform5 lib, it still kept the libmirplatform3 one
[13:51] <mzanetti> indicates some packaging issue indeed and the old one should be dropped
[14:02] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: There seem to be two groups of packages present and I have the feeling that they shouldn't be there at the same time. One group is libmirplatform4*/libmirserver27, the other libmirplatform5*/libmirserver28.
[14:03] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I removed libmirplatform4*/libmirserver27 on BayTrail and voila, it takes a while, but then the language selection greeter thing appears!
[14:04] <mzanetti> woot!
[14:05] <mzanetti> kgunn: hey, unity8 + mir running on an x86 lenovo tablet ^^
[14:05] <greyback> yay
[14:06] <kgunn> very cool
[14:07] <jdstrand> mardy (and chrisccoulson): looks like the /sys/devices/system/cpu/ is simply that oxide_helper needs a new rule
[14:07] <jdstrand> mardy: I would be surprised if that was actually breaking you. can you paste all the denials?
[14:07]  * sturmflut-work wants to be back in Thailand
[14:11] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck with that fix-pause branch?
[14:13] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti, kgunn, greyback: http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/IMG_20150109_150423.jpg
[14:13] <greyback> sturmflut-work: wow :)
[14:14] <kgunn> sturmflut-work: so this was using mesa platform (not android) ?
[14:14] <kgunn> nice! btw
[14:14] <jgdx> kenvandine, hny! :) How was your time off?
[14:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, great, and your's?
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, just great!
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, I wanna do some RTM landings, but I'm not sure if you have a plan for the pending ones or not?
[14:15] <jgdx> if some are to be bundled or not
[14:15] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: Yep, it is a repurposed Windows 8.1 quad-core x86 BayTrail Tablet. No Android, it is a proper platform with UEFI and an Intel GPU.
[14:17] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: Actually the biggest problem was getting around the 32-bit UEFI implementation, but I hear that upcoming devices will have a proper 64-bit UEFI, so in a couple of months one can hopefully just go to a store, buy a Windows 8.1 tablet, disable Secure Boot and install stock Vivid Vervet from an USB stick
[14:17] <greyback> sturmflut-work: to increase the size of the UI, try setting the env var GRID_UNIT_PX to something higher than the default (8) - will need to set maybe in /etc/environment for all processes to read it
[14:17] <kenvandine> jgdx, i was just reviewing your networkinfo fix
[14:18] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: and to have the tablet interface do: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged
[14:19] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: to switch back to "desktop" interface set it to "Windowed" instead of "Staged"
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, we have a pile of approved jgdx backport merge proposals
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, but most of them aren't on the ww03 milestone
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, right
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, do you want to create the landing?
[14:20] <kenvandine> your branch i just approved is for ww03
[14:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, yeah sure, landing the networkinfo fix for rtm in its own silo?
[14:22] <kenvandine> i think there might be one more we can add
[14:22]  * kenvandine looks
[14:22] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: how do I properly log out of Unity8? Can't find the right button.
[14:22] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: in theory, pull down the rightmost indicator
[14:22] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: in practice I think it fails to properly log out atm
[14:23] <mzanetti> you're entering new territory here :)
[14:24] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I am in "Staged" mode with GRID_UNIT_PX=32 now and the tablet looks like a giant phone :)
[14:25] <mzanetti> 32 is a lot :)
[14:25] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: rotation should come soon
[14:25] <sturmflut-work> The Touchscreen works like a charm.
[14:26] <sturmflut-work> But for some reason no scopes are loaded.
[14:26] <mzanetti> hmm... *should* work
[14:26] <uhhimhere> you know i remember when ubuntu first went mainstream one of the key selling ideas that led to alot of adoptions among windows users was that it ran on basic hardware and still looked & felt decent
[14:26] <uhhimhere> and had synaptic which was like/is the app store on crack
[14:27] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: On the Core i5 installation it does, there I have scopes and stuff
[14:27]  * sturmflut-work will poke around a bit
[14:27] <uhhimhere> so you could run all this amazing stuff, multitask, play games (with tweaks) on a destined to the bin
[14:27] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: cool, keep us posted
[14:27] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, i guess that's all we have right now
[14:28] <uhhimhere> machine
[14:28] <kenvandine> mandel had a fix for one of them that we ran into problems before the break, trying to figure out if he's had any luck with that
[14:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, go ahead with a landing for just that one
[14:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack
[14:28] <uhhimhere> so what kind of legacy smartphone can the ubuntu-touch bring back to life?
[14:30] <jgdx> !devices | uhhimhere
[14:32] <kgunn> sturmflut-work: hey, mind if i share your jpg ?
[14:33] <kgunn> wanna brag on you :)
[14:33] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: If you give me a moment you can have even more
[14:33] <kgunn> cool!
[14:35] <sturmflut-work> kgunn: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152259-qcRVtUCL.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152341-n5saCTKk.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152510-eqU15kDU.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152550-oDinIC4l.jpg http://picpaste.com/IMG_20150109_152906-fqQ7cVhk.jpg
[14:35] <uhhimhere> does UT run on dalvik or on the kernel
[14:36] <mzanetti> now that tablet looks tiny :D
[14:36] <mzanetti> uhhimhere: kernel
[14:36] <sturmflut-work> uhhimhere: It runs on "bare metal", there is no Dalvik/ART.
[14:36] <uhhimhere> nice
[14:37] <uhhimhere> why u no support Samsung Galaxy Trend/Plus/Lite/Grand?
[14:37] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: did you turn off wifi or is it broken?
[14:38] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: So here I am, playing with the indicators, and I have no battery, no WiFi, no Bluetooth and no sound. So basically the only usable indicators are Date/Time and Logout.
[14:38] <mzanetti> :(
[14:38] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: The internal WiFi/Bluetooth doesn't work, it should, there is a kernel driver, but in the end it doesn't.
[14:39] <dobey> why would the sdk complain that manifest.json is missing from the .ubuntu-sdk-deploy directory when trying to build a click, when the file is clearly there (as proven by running ls)?
[14:40] <bzoltan> dobey: I can take a look if you share the project with  me
[14:41] <bzoltan> dobey: and let's ask zbenjamin too
[14:42] <dobey> bzoltan: lp:~dobey/pay-ui/adt-run-ap is the branch where i'm hitting this issue
[14:43] <dobey> bzoltan: you might need to "maintain" the click chroot and install intltool and libubuntuoneauth-2.0-dev
[14:43] <dobey> to be able to build it
[14:47] <bzoltan> dobey:  the libubuntuoneauth-2.0-dev does not install in my armhf 14.10 chroot
[14:49] <bzoltan> dobey:  now it does
[14:49] <dobey> ok
[14:50] <uhhimhere> why u no support openmoko freerunner?
[14:50] <bzoltan> dobey:  but still '--   package 'ubuntuoneauth-2.0' not found' and cmake fails
[14:50] <dobey> bzoltan: huh
[14:51] <dobey> bzoltan: did it install the x86 one? maybe you need to install it with the :armhf appendage?
[14:51] <mardy> jdstrand: here are all the denials I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9698751/
[14:52] <bzoltan> dobey:  I did that ... it is a different problem. My device has the wrong kit
[14:52] <dobey> bzoltan: oh, ok
[14:52] <flipapy> hey so will the 'ubuntu touch phone' still have the ability to be a pvc?
[14:52] <dobey> uhhimhere: the openmoko phone from like 2007?
[14:52] <flipapy> pc*?
[14:52] <popey> flipapy: not the first one, later it will
[14:53] <uhhimhere> dobey: 2008 yesss
[14:53] <flipapy> aw popey that's like the main reason i want one, and how about the ubuntu tablet, can that becoem a pc?
[14:53] <popey> not yet
[14:53] <dobey> uhhimhere: it's too old/slow/etc i would guess
[14:53] <dobey> why do people want phones to be PCs?
[14:54] <flipapy> i want everything i need to be mobile, and research is so much faster and easier to access as a pc with large screens
[14:54] <dobey> is there a phone on the market with a core i7, 16 GB RAM, and 1TB ssd?
[14:54] <cecja> because the hardware is overpowered to be just a "phone"
[14:54] <cecja> dobey: not everyone needs workstation performance.
[14:54] <flipapy> awesome, that would rock, and there is a tablet with siilar specs i think
[14:54] <flipapy> i think its a windos tablet/ power tablet or something
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> try to state this to iphone users who buy 1000%
[14:55] <bzoltan> dobey:  Done ... cmake works .. I had to install the libubuntuoneauth-2.0:armhf too ... why??? odd
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> $
[14:55] <uhhimhere> dobey: but in pc ubuntu make old hardware look like supa car, why u no think ubuntu can give breath of fresh air to modest platform from 2007
[14:55] <cecja> flipapy: yes the microsoft surface pro 3 has this specs...
[14:55] <dobey> uhhimhere: if you want it to work, feel free to port it
[14:56] <dobey> trust me, ubuntu is incredibly slow on my laptop from 2007/2008
[14:56] <flipapy> yeah there you go, but i want to be able to use my tablet as a full on omcputer with keyboard and large second screen full sized mouse, then just take it with me and go yippy. i'm free yadda yadaa using wifi/4g as necessary.
[14:56] <uhhimhere> dobey: i used to lay steam games on ubuntu from laptop 2007
[14:56] <uhhimhere> dobey: very good
[14:57] <uhhimhere> dobey: mush bettr dan windos
[14:57] <dobey> i'm sure there are a few laptops from then where it might be slightly reasoanble performance wise
[14:57] <dobey> but the vast majority are not
[14:58] <bzoltan> dobey:  it is possible that the syntax of the manifest file is not correct and that is why it fails
[14:59] <dobey> bzoltan: how can i verify that? and can we get a better error message if that is the case becuase "missing" and "invalid syntax" are very different problems :)
[15:04] <bzoltan> dobey: sure the message could be smarter ... the manifest file should be editable in the QtC. I can not tell you straight what the problem is... but I would go with a simpler project structure ... like disable first the test stuff
[15:06] <dobey> bzoltan: i'm trying to add the test stuff
[15:07] <dobey> doh
[15:07] <bzoltan> dobey: At least we know where the problem entered :) So it seems that the manifest file is incorrect .. where did you get that structure?
[15:07] <dobey> so i see the problem now that i realize that error is a lie
[15:07] <dobey> two missing closing braces
[15:07] <dobey> now it works
[15:08] <dobey> i'll file a bug against sdk about the error message
[15:08] <dobey> thanks bzoltan
[15:08] <flipapy> i lie the future of ubuntu computing, personally i like less gaming rigs and more streamlining, less boxes, more mobility.
[15:08] <bzoltan> dobey:  I am not so sure that it is the sdk what makes that message
[15:08] <flipapy> like*
[15:08] <flipapy> the game quality will suffer will it not?
[15:09] <bzoltan> dobey:  I suspect the click here
[15:09] <dobey> flipapy: steamos doesn't support arm platform as target
[15:09] <bzoltan> dobey:  but please file a bug and I will check it on Monday
[15:09] <dobey> bzoltan: ok
[15:09] <flipapy> maybe if the tv itself is a massive gaming rig. then yeah, the gaming on a 64"  flat screen  working with the rear components of a super laptop  thatwould make a great gaming rig
[15:09] <flipapy> dobey: but im talking about maybe a year or 2 in the future
[15:11] <dobey> flipapy: so am i. it was hard enough getting to the point where companies actually have their proprietary games ported to linux at all. most of them are 32-bit x86. getting them ported to arm would be very costly
[15:11] <dobey> especially in any way they could be performant on arm
[15:11] <jdstrand> mardy: the other denials seem to be a result of not using the 'networking' policy group?
[15:11] <flipapy> why cant linux dev's build the ports?
[15:11] <jdstrand> mardy: eg, you should be able to make them go away by using "#include <abstractions/nameservice>"
[15:12] <jdstrand> (which is in the networking policy group)
[15:12] <flipapy> or if ubuntu thin client can run windows software, why cant it run windows gaming?
[15:12] <mardy> jdstrand: oh, I'm afraid you are right; I'll try that
[15:12] <davmor2> flipapy: proprietary games are not open source and the games companies will likely not open them up
[15:12] <flipapy> or a modificatio of the windows software client that can run windows gaming?
[15:12] <dobey> flipapy: you can't run x86 games on arm
[15:13] <dobey> flipapy: and proprietary is proprietary
[15:13] <davmor2> flipapy: speed and game performance
[15:13] <flipapy> right, does it have to be arm? isnt the ubuntu phone os going to incorporate more and more devices and hardware as time goes by?
[15:13] <flipapy> wont they use snap dragon, and eventually nvidia and intel phone chips?
[15:13] <dobey> flipapy: a phone will never be a real PC. it might have the same interface when you dock it, but it's still the same phone hardware. in the same way that a Honda Fit and an F1 race car have the same interface, but are very different machines.
[15:15] <dobey> it's not a matter of ubuntu vs ubuntu phone; there is only one ubuntu. the OS can run on a wide range of hardware, but all available software may only run on some of the hardware, not all of it
[15:17] <dobey>  but sure, in environments where all the work is done on a mainframe/supercomputer cluster somewhere, and all you need locally is a thin client, a docked phone with kb/mouse behaving more like a traditional PC interface, will be quite usable
[15:17] <flipapy> im not going to get into metaphors - but i think as the tech gets smaller, the phones will dock with the tablet and can dock the phone with the tv, or the tablet with the tv, or both with the tv and have a maximized gaming experience. i think it is possible. to combine the power of the phone the tablet and the tv hardware, smart hardware inside the tv, to make a decent gaming experience. is it worth it? maybe not, is it better to conside
[15:17] <flipapy> r that the tv should serve as the main pc then the tablet and phone are peripherals? yes robably, but i still like hte idea of increasing a media/ gaming/ office expereience by combining the tablet phe and tv/pc units
[15:17] <flipapy> aw sorry that was big
[15:17] <dobey> it wasn't a metaphor, it was a simile
[15:18] <dobey> or analogy
[15:18] <flipapy> i iddnt call it a metaphor, i want to stay clear of illusion completely
[15:18] <mardy> jdstrand: thanks, that helped. Now, what is the syntax to allow creating a directory and any subdirectories and files inside it?
[15:18] <flipapy> diddnt*
[15:18] <dobey> the problem with "tech gets smaller" is that it isn't
[15:18] <flipapy> the internals of the tech is not getting smaller?
[15:19] <dobey> phones are getting bigger
[15:19] <flipapy> they arent fitting more into smaller spaces inside the phopnes?
[15:19] <jdstrand> mardy: assuming you want 'owner':
[15:19] <dobey> i have a laptop that is smaller than a lot of phones on the market now
[15:19] <flipapy> cpu's arent becoming more complex using the same small space?
[15:19] <jdstrand> mardy: owner /path/to/dir/ rw,
[15:19] <jdstrand> mardy owner /path/to/dir/** rwk,
[15:19] <flipapy> im talking about the internals
[15:19] <flipapy> thats what will make the unit more capable of running a decent game
[15:19] <dobey> flipapy: i don't care about the internals if i can't fit it in my pocket :)
[15:19] <mardy> jdstrand: cool, thanks
[15:20] <jdstrand> mardy: the first is the directory itself, the second is everything under it. I added 'k' for locking
[15:21] <mardy> jdstrand: excellent, it's working! Now I get these, but they don't appear to be fatal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9698941/
[15:22] <jdstrand> /sys/devices/system/cpu/ we should add to the webview policy (can you mention it in the bug?)
[15:22] <jdstrand> the other is something evernote is using isn't honoring TMPDIR, or your tests aren't setting it
[15:23] <mardy> jdstrand: mmm... I get a few messages like this from oxide: [0109/182026:ERROR:connection.cc(1060)] Cookie sqlite error 14, errno 0: unable to open database file, sql: INSERT OR REPLACE INTO meta (key,value) VALUES (?,?)
[15:24] <jdstrand> mardy: are those old or new with this run?
[15:24] <mardy> jdstrand: new
[15:24] <jdstrand> it is probably those /var/tmp things
[15:24] <mardy> jdstrand: I see that for ~/.local/share we are using "mrwkl", maybe I should use the same?
[15:25] <jdstrand> you should've seen denials if rwk wasn't enough. feel free to use mrwkl if you need mmap and hard linking
[15:26] <jdstrand> mardy: what is launching this process?
[15:26] <mardy> jdstrand: yes, even adding those, I still get those messages
[15:26] <jdstrand> interesting
[15:26] <mardy> jdstrand: online-accounts-service, via QProcess
[15:26] <jdstrand> mardy: well, maybe note-- do you have any explicit denies?
[15:27] <mardy> jdstrand: and the process does a aa_change_profile on startup
[15:27] <mardy> jdstrand: you mean if I see denials about this in the syslog? no, I don't
[15:27] <jdstrand> mardy: (so, online-accounts-service should probably set TMPDIR=@{HOME}/.cache/online-accounts-ui/id-*-@{APP_PKGNAME}_@{APP_APPNAME}/ to get rid of the need for /var/tmp access (which we won't be able to allow))
[15:28] <jdstrand> mardy: no, I meant 'deny' rules. let me look at your paste
[15:28] <jdstrand> deny @{HOME}/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db* w, ?
[15:29] <jdstrand>   # FIXME: LP: #1220713 - online accounts currently tries rw and falls back to
[15:29] <jdstrand>   #        ro. This can go away once an access() LSM hook is implemented. For
[15:29] <jdstrand>   #        now, just silence the denial.
[15:29] <jdstrand>   deny @{HOME}/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db* w,
[15:29]  * jdstrand wonders if this isn't doing that fallback properly
[15:29] <mardy> jdstrand: I think that's correct
[15:29] <jdstrand> (or if this is the denial at all)
[15:30] <jdstrand> that's the only deny rule I see that is obviously for online accounts
[15:30] <tsdgeos> boiko: any idea when https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/AllIsNotAll/+merge/243049 will land?
[15:31] <jdstrand> mardy: you can test by commenting out the 'deny @{HOME}/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db* w,'. you should see a denial if it is the thing causing the problem
[16:20] <Saviq> mardy, I'm in something of a loop of OA asking me to authorize the youtube scope to access my G account... anything you'd find interesting or shall I just disable youtube accessing my acct?
[16:31] <boiko> tsdgeos_: hi, so, we tried to land it end last year, but the dependency change in there was causing a lot of trouble, which end up blocking the landing of some critical features
[16:31] <boiko> tsdgeos_: I will try to land it now
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> boiko: cll
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> ckk
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> cool i mean
[16:31] <tsdgeos_> damn keyboard :D
[16:31] <boiko> tsdgeos_: I was about to google what cll and ckk stand for :)
[16:48] <DS-McGuire>  I have pushed an app to the store however I can't find it if I boot and an emulator and try and download it. Any idea why?
[16:51] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: is your package i386 compatible or only armhf?
[16:51] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Hmm, I can't remember. I shall check.
[16:53] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, i386
[16:53] <popey> DS-McGuire: which app?
[16:53] <DS-McGuire> popey, That golf one.
[16:53] <popey> its marked     Architecture independent
[16:55] <DS-McGuire> popey, So it is. What would I need to do to change that?
[16:55] <popey> why would you want to?
[16:55] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: what's it called? searching for 'golf' doesn't show anything on my device
[16:55] <popey> yeah, i dont see it on my device either
[16:55] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: architecture independent is correct if you don't have any compiled stuff in it
[16:55] <popey>     ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1 is probably why
[16:55] <Elleo> ah
[16:55] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, popey That what's I mean, it's in the store but I can't see it.
[16:55] <popey> that framework doesn't exist on the device
[16:56] <popey> change the framework to 14.10 and it will
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> popey, I assumed because the phones are 15.04 it needed to be that.
[16:56] <popey> they arent
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> are they not?
[16:56] <DS-McGuire> Well... God damnit hahah!
[16:56] <popey> ubuntu-sdk-14.10
[16:56] <popey> use that
[16:56] <popey> well, some might be
[16:57] <popey> but not all
[16:57] <beuno> also, frameworks aren't really connected to ubuntu versions
[16:57] <beuno> we might ship 15.04 with the 14.10 framework
[16:57] <beuno> maybe
[16:57] <beuno> :)
[16:58] <DS-McGuire> Makes sense. When you say use Ubuntu sdk 14.10 do you mean the ubuntu sdk version on Ubuntu 14.10?
[16:59] <DS-McGuire> popey, Forget to ping ^
[16:59] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: it's not related to the SDK version you're using to develop with, you just need to change the framework that you request in the manifest
[16:59] <beuno> well, it means a specific set of APIs you depende on
[17:01] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Perfect, thank you. I was just making sure.
[17:09] <mardy> Saviq: sorry, I saw your message just now. No, just disable the account, we are working on it :-)
[17:09] <Saviq> mardy, ok, thanks
[17:43] <seb128> popey, that report is not a bug, we stopped to check for updates on settings start because it was creating issues and wrong
[17:45] <seb128> the issue was that the banner would show after  few seconds and shift content and make you hit wrong targets
[17:45] <DS-McGuire> When debugging I have this warning: This project is using the experimental QML API extensions for QtWebKit and is therefore tied to a specific QtWebKit release. Is that something important that would stop my app from running on a device?
[17:45] <seb128> check the closed bugs I guess
[17:53] <popey> seb128: oh, okay.
[17:53] <Laney> we should have something which checks for updates periodically though
[17:53] <Laney> before it'd do that when you opened u-s-s
[18:19] <pmcgowan> Laney, popey seb128 once we have a better background service to get status from it can get re-enabled in some way, but that work stalled a bit
[18:19] <pmcgowan> its on strehl team backlog as I recall
[18:33] <popey> pmcgowan: ok
[19:29] <kenvandine> bfiller, we need to land a branch in rtm to enable testability of the wizard, the bug isn't targeted for the  milestone but is tagged qa-automation-testing
[19:30] <kenvandine> bfiller, that should be fine to land right?
[20:23] <ahayzen> Hi, i'm on rtm (mako 157) and I keep getting an issue where after medium/long periods of the device being locked. When I come to unlock it the first press does not turn the screen on, the second causes it to turn on and then instantly off again. It then requires a third press to 'wake' the device. Is this a known issue or is anyone else having it and how would I debug it?
[20:34] <pngo> ahayzen, I have no such problem
[20:36] <ahayzen> pngo, i'm not sure which project i would report a bug against... or where to debug lol
[20:36] <pngo> ahayzen, me too
[20:53] <dobey> ahayzen: maybe against qtubuntu which provides android/hybris integration to the qt UI
[20:53] <dobey> ahayzen: at least, it's a good starting point for that
[20:53] <ahayzen> dobey, are there any logs i can investigate?
[20:54] <ahayzen> dobey, hah as soon as a plugged it in it turned the screen on
[20:55] <ahayzen> dobey, maybe a powerd thing
[20:55] <dobey> i don't know
[20:55] <dobey> i wish plugging my phone in would turn the screen on and pop a "charging" notification
[20:56] <dobey> it staying a solid black brick when i plug it in is a bit disconcerting
[21:01] <ahayzen> dobey, i wonder if qtmir maybe a better place ... but idk lol
[21:01] <dobey> probably not
[21:02] <ahayzen> ok i'll do it against qtubuntu for now and see what people suggest
[22:05] <tomdp> Is anyone aware of any effort to port Ubuntu to the Nexus 6? I found no information about any projects after checking the Devices page on the wiki and scouring Google.
[22:13] <dobey> tomdp: nope