[00:08] <diddledan> oh, even better, "that was the week that was, next week on this week"
[00:10] <intrbiz> diddledan: yes :)
[00:12] <mapito> ope this dual sim phone lives up to what i need
[00:12] <shauno> of course it won't, it's an android ;)
[00:12] <mapito> got an iphne5s and 6 ..but dont wanna carry 2 phones and dont wanna swich sims ..the cases endup breaking at corners from taking phone out so many times
[00:14] <directhex> i'm not sure what dual-sim is *for*
[00:14] <diddledan> dual sim is just a hipster thing
[00:14] <diddledan> it doesn't actually do anything useful
[00:14] <diddledan> but the cool kids can say "look, it even takes two sims!"
[00:14] <ali12341> in china the rates for internetwork calls are really high so people just have two sims
[00:15] <diddledan> if everyone has two sims, why not just everyone have one and make one of the networks go under?
[00:15] <ali12341> actually in china there probably only is one network
[00:15] <ali12341> it's actually places like s.korea
[00:16] <mapito> i need to use 2 sims atm tho
[00:16] <mapito> if roaming wasnt stupidly expensive id just use ee..but im not paying 2 quid a day on top of my contract
[00:16] <diddledan> why do you need to use ee at all?
[00:17] <mapito> calls and texts are free to eu while travelling in eu
[00:17] <shauno> just use a little nokie for your voice calls.  that way you can keep your data plan on a proper phone ;)
[00:17] <mapito> whereas if i use gib telecom will cost me loads to ring UK
[00:17] <ali12341> if you have a dual sim android phone you can lock calls to one sim and data to the other
[00:18] <mapito> yea
[00:18] <mapito> thats what i want to do
[00:18] <ali12341> this is handy because you can use a ee sim for voice calls and get good signal everywhere
[00:18] <mapito> if i lock calls and texts to ee and data to gibtele - if someone rung the gib number would i not be able to answer it?
[00:18] <ali12341> and use a three sim for cheap data, but three has a terrible signal
[00:19] <mapito> ordered the motorola moto g 2nd gen seemed good enough for my needs
[00:19] <ali12341> you'll always receive calls if the sim supports it
[00:19] <mapito> so contacable on both numbers in a dual sim phone? dont need to set one as active or anything
[00:19] <mapito> nice
[00:19] <ali12341> i don't think so
[00:20] <ali12341> you do need to microsims for that phone though
[00:20] <ali12341> *two
[00:20] <ali12341> for this reason i couldn't actually test how it works
[00:20] <ali12341> but it appears to use both sims at once
[00:20] <ali12341> it puts two network signal meters in the tray area for example
[00:21] <ali12341> with "1" and "2" by them
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> when phone signal is weak the phone uses more power to establish a connection, how does that affect battery life in a dual sim phone?
[04:11] <mapito> hi all
[04:14] <shauno> go to bed!
[04:17] <mapito> watching the gambler
[04:17] <mapito> with wahlberg
[04:17] <mapito> what you dong up!!
[04:19] <shauno> uhh .. it's the weekend
[04:20] <daftykins> curry night Friday night \o/
[04:21] <shauno> it's not friday night?!
[04:22] <mjayk_> good morning all
[04:24] <mapito> morning mjayk_
[04:24] <mapito> curry ugh;p
[04:24] <mapito> what u upto daftykins
[04:32] <daftykins> just watched the episode before last of season 2 of Star trek TOS
[04:33] <mapito> ive never watched any star trek or stargate maybe iu should
[04:33] <mapito> *i
[04:33] <zmoylan-pi> have you watched the tos reboot?
[04:34] <daftykins> no sir
[04:34] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Continues
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> it's a fan created continuation.  it's not bad
[04:35] <shauno> TOS was terrible. so it's either bad, or unfaithful :)
[04:36] <daftykins> hehe
[04:37] <zmoylan-pi> tos is a product of its time. it looks terrible now but for its time it was great sci fi
[04:37] <zmoylan-pi> ditto tng
[04:37] <zmoylan-pi> ds9 has stood up a little better
[04:37] <daftykins> this is actually my first viewing of TOS and i found seasons 1 and 2 great
[04:38] <daftykins> TNG needed to spend less time out of the court room
[04:38] <daftykins> my dear tux those episodes bored me
[04:38] <zmoylan-pi> tng was a product of the 80s let's all sit down and talk
[04:38] <mapito> judge judy is the best show;p
[04:38] <shauno> I still dig tng
[04:39] <zmoylan-pi> voyager is a little bland but has wonderful borg episodes
[04:39] <zmoylan-pi> enterprise i kinda liked on rewatching.
[04:39] <daftykins> i debated watching Voyager, not sure i could handle Janeway's voice for that long
[04:39] <zmoylan-pi> and i also liked star trek animated
[04:39] <shauno> voyager got much better towards the end.  and then just kinda stopped
[04:40] <zmoylan-pi> start watching voyager about half way through season 3
[04:41] <zmoylan-pi> ds9 is nice and dark as they tried to copy babylon 5
[04:42] <shauno> (ds9 seemed to do that too.  it just kinda stopped.  they seem to have no idea how to wrap up a series.  tos & tng survived a little better because they finished them in films)
[04:42] <zmoylan-pi> yeah the ds9 crew felt gutted that there was no film afterwards
[04:43] <zmoylan-pi> so many lose ends. andrew robinson wrote a book about what garak got up to that i've heard good things about
[04:43] <shauno> enterprise was a little better - simply because by the end of it, I was more than ready for it to finish
[04:44] <daftykins> i didn't feel DS9 had anything to wrap up? it was just a bit cheesily finished
[04:44] <shauno> it didn't so much finish, it just got put out of its misery
[04:45] <zmoylan-pi> well there was garak heading home to rebuild cardassia, o'brien heading home to earth to teach, worf as ambassador to klingon empire and then the rest of the crew still on the station rebuilding after the war
[04:45] <zmoylan-pi> lots of stories to be told there
[04:47] <zmoylan-pi> but they wanted to move on to push voyager which was struggling a little and cheaper to make
[05:18] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: that's true
[06:26] <mapito> well
[06:26] <mapito> the gambler was ok
[06:44] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:47] <mapito> morning knightwise
[07:47] <knightwise> morning mapito
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:23] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:39] <MooDoo> how are you knightwise
[08:51] <knightwise> doing ok , working from home today
[08:51] <knightwise> swithced around my main workstation from my mac to ubuntu yesterday
[08:52] <knightwise> always nice to jump right back into the flow of things regardless that you just switched operating systems :)
[08:52] <knightwise> Thats the great thing about having cross plaform workflows
[08:55] <MooDoo> yeah nice
[08:56] <knightwise> enjoying getting to know Gnome3 ,
[08:56] <knightwise> very "modest" operating system. Doenst seem to get in the way
[09:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:20] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :D
[09:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: how life up norff
[09:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Static Electricity Day! :-D
[09:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: windy, and that's not due to me having beans
[09:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: hair raising balloons
[09:54] <JamesTait> davmor2, \o/
[09:56] <popey> BEANZ
[09:57] <davmor2> popey: MEANZ HEINZ
[10:08] <Myrtti> TOTORO
[10:11] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/15616999513/
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: that or you are watching blazing saddles to test full video playback :)
[10:13] <knightwise> Gah !
[10:13] <knightwise> working on a simple redirect script thats bugging me
[10:13] <knightwise> need to paste the output of one command into a variable and then use that variable in the second command
[10:16] <knightwise> anyone want to point out my stupid noob mistake and laugh ? http://pastebin.com/uB90W0vq
[10:17] <ali12341> variable names are case sensitive
[10:19] <knightwise> ok , that has been fixed , but i think i've made an error with piping in the data into the message variable
[10:20] <ali12341> MESSAGE=`cat ip.txt`
[10:21] <knightwise> aah :) good :) I was close then !
[10:22] <knightwise> Nope  , doesnt work , now it just says 'cat ip.txt' in the subject
[10:22] <knightwise> i think i forgot a space
[10:25] <ali12341> then you didn't use backquotes
[10:26] <knightwise> backquotes are ' right ?
[10:26] <knightwise> as opposed to "
[10:26] <ali12341> no
[10:28] <knightwise> found them
[10:28] <knightwise> `
[10:30] <knightwise> nope, sendemail doesnt recognise the input then
[10:31] <knightwise> i think i have it
[10:31] <knightwise> BOOM :) it works
[10:33] <davmor2> knightwise: \o/
[10:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: man the static on this balloon is keeping it on the wall for ages your hair is good for static :)
[10:35] <JamesTait> davmor2, Hair? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else. ;)
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: you got more than me :P
[10:35]  * JamesTait bites his tongue.
[10:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: I have a natural and permanent hair cut :)
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:47] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:58] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:58] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and davmor2
[10:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: MooDoo  has a Lionel Blair cut like mine
[11:00] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:16] <davmor2> Morning bigcalm
[11:16] <bigcalm> Hiya davmor2
[11:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you ever find a place to store your SSD?  Sue is trying to persuade me that we have enough corners to order the DeathStar
[11:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: still on the dinning room table. I might see if it'll fit in my office
[11:20] <davmor2> haha
[11:21] <popey> suspend it from the celing above your bed!
[11:21] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[11:21]  * bigcalm goes to weigh it
[11:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: is that the one that is 4 or 8 kilos
[11:22]  * knightwise just wrote a pretty "lowjack" script : http://pastebin.com/SgjT0ieb
[11:23] <popey> PaulW2U: congratulations!
[11:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: weighed myself and then me with it, came out at about 4.5 kg
[11:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is quite heavy
[11:35] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/553515102893522944
[11:37] <Laney> nice elephants
[11:38] <bigcalm> I love my elePHPants
[11:41] <bigcalm> davmor2: ^
[11:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: that does not fit
[11:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: your xwing looks fairly small is that the standard one?
[11:44] <knightwise> DROOL
[11:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: it does. The door can open and close without problem
[11:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes
[11:47] <bigcalm> Once I've built the Tie Fighter, I'll take a group photo of: Super Star Destroyer, Tie Fighter, AT-AT, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing, Snow Speeder, R2D2
[11:47] <bigcalm> I must stop buying these things
[11:48] <popey> I can see a loft hatch
[11:48] <popey> put them all up there
[11:48] <popey> ☻
[11:48] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:48] <bigcalm> popey: Full of insulation. Don't think there's much space to make it into a model home
[11:49] <popey> we had extra insulation put in ours, then boards on top
[11:50] <bigcalm> Putting boards down would compress the insulation and thus reduce its efficiency
[11:50] <popey> no it wouldn't ☻
[11:50] <popey> we have boards above the insulation
[11:50] <popey> not pushing it down
[11:50] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[11:52] <popey> our loft is a dumping ground
[11:52] <popey> my jamma arcade boards are all up there
[11:52] <popey> and spectrums, amstrads, bbcs etc
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: bigcalm: knock at the door my build a scale movie model of the millennium falcon just turned up, I've just seen A: the level of detail and B: the mammoth size of it
[11:57] <popey> haha
[11:59] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:59] <bigcalm> Poor Sue
[12:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: she ordered it
[12:02] <popey> I think I may add some lego to my wishlist - birthday soon ☻
[12:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: not the magazine?
[12:03] <knightwise> :)
[12:03] <MooDoo> all £900 of it
[12:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeap
[12:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: and expensive ship then
[12:04] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm, MooDoo: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/2015-01-09-120002.jpg
[12:05] <MooDoo> bloody hell
[12:06] <knightwise> at least now I don't feel so wierd about owning the deckplan blueprints of the enterprise D
[12:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: movie scale replica now you suddenly start understanding the price point.  Subscribers get a wall mounting bracket because I'm assuming it's too heavy to go on top of shelves :)
[12:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: don't eat it
[12:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: I needed the other hand to click the mouse
[12:11] <knightwise> window hide 4
[12:11] <knightwise> sorry
[12:11] <davmor2> knightwise: no your not ;)
[12:11] <knightwise> blowup davmor2
[12:11] <knightwise> i meant /blowup davmor2
[12:12] <knightwise> ;)
[12:35]  * DJones wonders if knightwise means with explosives or a inflate with helium to make hanging him from the ceiling simpler
[12:36] <knightwise> DJones: the latter
[12:44]  * knightwise knows people who watch Pr0n with Links
[13:02] <bigcalm> Links the web browser?
[13:04] <popey> "A friend"
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> if the porn has the right keywords people will follow a 20 minute set of install instructions to watch it :-/
[13:10] <ali12341> are all the daily ISOs broken or what?
[13:37] <popey> ali12341: possibly
[13:45] <ali12341> lol, why is the ubuntu homepage in arabic on a fresh install?
[13:46] <awilkins> Is that the first localization in the list?
[13:46] <ali12341> probably
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> keyboard layout you chose?
[13:46] <ali12341> no, i chose UK like always
[13:47] <awilkins> What do you expect for software named after one of these?   (mildly NFSW) : http://cdn1.arkive.org/media/73/73BF888D-9637-4CA3-A040-5830367C8696/Presentation.Large/Hilgerts-vervet-C-p-hilgerti-running.jpg
[13:48] <ali12341> "you pay peanuts..."
[13:53] <ali12341> bug 1409015
[15:41] <bigcalm> Just installed the gimp and it's throwing seg faults when I try to launch it. Anybody know how I can debug/resolve this?
[15:43] <awilkins> How'd you install it?
[15:43] <bigcalm> Software Centre
[15:44] <bigcalm> Quick google and I've created ~/.gimp-2.8 and now it runs
[15:44] <bigcalm> Weird
[15:45] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9699084/
[15:45] <awilkins> Config isn't the same as your username
[15:46] <awilkins> Username seems to be snafu2
[15:46] <awilkins> Configured folder seems to be iain
[15:46] <bigcalm> My machine is snafu2
[15:46] <bigcalm> My user is iain
[15:46] <awilkins> Ah, sorry
[15:47] <diddledan> yey for configurable prompts?
[15:48] <diddledan> confuse the heck out of others prompts!
[15:48] <diddledan> :-p
[15:49] <bigcalm> Eh?
[15:50] <diddledan> bigcalm, awilkins was obviously misreading the prompt because his is different to yours
[15:51] <awilkins> mine is the default user@machine
[15:57] <bigcalm> Ah
[15:57] <bigcalm> export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w\[\033[31m\]$(__git_ps1 "(%s)") \[\033[01;34m\]$\[\033[00m\] '
[15:59] <bigcalm> Hi moreati
[15:59] <moreati> afernoon
[16:01] <davmor2> moreati: \o
[16:05] <moreati> 〈o
[16:08] <ali12341> ᕙ(° Д°)／
[16:22] <PaulW2U> popey: Thanks
[16:30] <davmor2> ali12341: your a little teapot short and stout
[16:31] <diddledan> I found this fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaxG2cTNWkQ
[16:31] <diddledan> davmor2, pull his handle and hear him shout.
[18:38] <shauno> woot!  my ipad's been found
[18:38] <shauno> someone took it a shop in dublin to get them to unlock it, and the shop called me
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> score \o/
[18:39] <shauno> totally.  happy dance!
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> i did once find an ipod touch a few years back and posted an online advert looking for it's original owner.  the amount of chancers saying it was theres...
[18:41] <shauno> yeah.  I thought about that when I looked on dublin airport's lost & found thing.  they have a list of what they've got online
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> unfortunately you have to check about a 100 lost and found places, the guards, the airport, the taxi rank, the various shops in the airport...
[18:42] <shauno> yeah.  that's what I found.  airport police say they don't handle it because it was on the plane itself, and give you ryanair's number
[18:43] <shauno> ryanair just give you the number for airport police
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> ryanair would sell it for petrol money... :-P
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> but the owner of the ipod touch had left no name, no email, no identification whatsoever on the device.  yours obviously didn't have such a problem
[18:46] <shauno> yeah.  as soon as they connected to wifi it locked itself and sticks a message on the screen with my phone number
[18:46] <shauno> (I don't usually have a passcode on it because it spends most it's life stuffed down the side of the couch)
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> and were obviously too confused to read phone number...
[18:48] <shauno> so I need to figure out when I can make a trip to dublin  heh
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> i can pick it up and uh... post it to you... :-P
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> >_>   not shifty at all
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> <_<
[18:49] <shauno> lol
[19:01] <popey> shauno: nice of them!
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> if they didn't they could be accused of handling stolen goods...
[19:02] <shauno> very much so
[19:02] <diddledan> shauno, and people say that "track my device, i.e. me, every move" is a bad thing :-p
[19:02] <shauno> figure the guy probably deserves a few bob for his troubles
[19:02] <popey> remote wipe ftw
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be unhappy if i lost my €49 nokia dumbphone :-)
[19:02] <popey> shauno: phone the store and ask the manager who it was that did it and ask what his/her fave tipple is?
[19:03] <popey> wonder what they said to the person who took it in
[19:03] <shauno> I didn't do wipe, just remote lock.  because I actually thought ryanair would find it first  lol
[19:04] <shauno> but it seems to have been enough .. my phone number popping up on the lock screen when they connected it to wifi was non-too-subtle
[19:04] <popey> i didnt know you could do that
[19:04]  * popey tests with his ipad
[19:05] <popey> ewww. dat gradient on icloud
[19:05] <shauno> the 'lost mode' bit
[19:06] <popey> that works nicely
[19:07] <shauno> it should survive being wiped on ios7 & 8 now, which also rocks
[19:07] <popey> we should steal that
[19:07] <popey> my ipad is on ios5
[19:07] <popey> 1st gen, so lots of apps and games don't work anymore
[19:07] <popey> crossy road wants 7
[19:07] <shauno> ah, yeah
[19:08] <shauno> I have an old ipod that has that problem :/
[19:40] <ali12341> can you build usermode linux for nacl?
[19:57] <diddledan> lol, ali12341 , that sounds like fun
[19:57] <diddledan> ali12341, alternatively usermode linux for emscripten
[20:00] <shauno> I think most I've seen just emulate x86 in js
[20:00] <shauno> (eg http://bellard.org/jslinux/ )
[20:01] <diddledan> shauno, I still don't know if that jslinux is actually what it says it is
[20:02] <shauno> how do?
[20:02] <diddledan> i.e. specifically because they haven't made any source code available yet claim it's open source
[20:02] <diddledan> from the FAQ: "The readable source code of the JS PC emulator itself is not yet available. At this point, any mirroring or redistribution of the code needs my explicit permission."
[20:03] <shauno> personally tempted to take it at face value, given the author
[20:05] <diddledan> I don't believe it was attributed last I saw it, tho
[20:06] <shauno> it says at the bottom (C) 2011 fabrice bellard
[20:06] <diddledan> as I say, I don't believe it was attributed last I saw it, tho
[20:07] <shauno> lol, fair enough
[20:07] <shauno> I'm just saying that since the guy has ffmpeg & qemu under his belt, I'm more tempted to accept his claims
[20:07] <diddledan> aye, last I saw it there was just the page showing the emulator doing it's thang and not much else
[20:08] <diddledan> it might be that the version I saw was a rip from bellard.org which didn't attribute it's source
[20:08] <diddledan> e.g. jslinux.org
[20:10] <shauno> there was another one floating around quite recently which I believe was bochs in emscripten
[20:11] <diddledan> following a few links from jslinux.org leads to buzzword bingo: http://www.setiri.com/
[20:12] <shauno> another one I noticed was an assembler written in js.  notable mostly for the unfortunate name 'jism'
[20:12]  * diddledan sniggers
[20:13] <diddledan> I'm not sure I should try googling for that
[20:14] <shauno> heh, yeah.  there's been a few of those.  like the 'minimal debian' for the pi - 'lessbian'
[20:14] <diddledan> \o/
[20:15] <shauno> quite tempted to believe they weren't accidental though.  oh well
[20:23] <diddledan> yeah, you'd think even if they weren't intentional that the authors would have known the implications before making it public
[21:11] <diddledan> interesting. a new image format by that bellard bloke (jslinux author) - http://xooyoozoo.github.io/yolo-octo-bugfixes/#zoo-bird-head&jpg=s&bpg=s
[23:04] <mapito> 30mins of american sniper left
[23:04] <mapito> then il get some yen and g out
[23:04] <mapito> :D
[23:05] <zmoylan-pi> i want fif to catch on
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal_compression
[23:21]  * m0nkey_ is finally back from Burlington
[23:22] <diddledan> wb
[23:23]  * zmoylan-pi reports m0nkey_ escape to the proper authorities
[23:27] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGpQk2cW494
[23:31] <m0nkey_> you can hate me now
[23:34] <diddledan> that cat is enjoying himself so much
[23:43] <m0nkey_> Tempted to reinstate my current desktop (mini-itx thing) back to pfSense.
[23:43] <m0nkey_> ... since I'll be starting to build a new PC for myself soon.