[03:22] <Kilos> morning all
[03:23] <Kilos> hi octoquad  
[03:23] <Kilos> nlsthzn  hi there laddy, hows ya
[03:40] <Kilos> wb bushtech  
[03:40] <Kilos> you hopping so early
[04:07] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[04:19] <bduk> morning all
[04:32] <Kilos> jy vroeg ne
[05:38] <nlsthzn> morning all
[05:39] <nlsthzn> hmmm... no aspell in xchat currently :/
[05:42] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[05:42] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ?
[05:42] <Kilos> good ty nlsthzn  and you?
[05:42] <nlsthzn> good thanks :)
[05:52] <bduk2> Mornings
[06:12] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi oom Kilos :)
[06:12] <nuvolari> o/ hi bduk, nlsthzn 
[06:13] <bduk> Morning nlsthzn 
[06:15] <nlsthzn> o/
[06:19] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:21] <Kilos> weirdness never ends
[06:22] <Kilos> 256 ssd shows as samsung ssd pm 830
[06:22] <Kilos> and 
[06:23] <Kilos> seagate FA GoFlex desk
[06:23] <Kilos> thats in disks 
[06:24] <Kilos> maybe someone did a firmware upgrade from seagate and thats why im having probs
[06:24] <bduk> Kilos:  I have a 4pond hammer for you 
[06:24] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <Kilos> jy sien hoe kan dit wys as twee verskillende skywe
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> pm830 is the model number
[06:26] <Kilos> ek het pc goed beloer van alle kante on seker te maak daar is niks anders in geplug nie
[06:27] <Kilos> ya thats what it is ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: sudo lshw -class storage
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> paste output to pastebin
[06:27] <Kilos> ok
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo lshw -class storage -class disk
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> or just disk even might be enough
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[06:29] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21Wy6u3ko
[06:29] <Kilos> lemme do next one
[06:31] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2zDLWyCxB
[06:31] <Kilos> that goflex thing must be a partyition
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's your ssd
[06:34] <Kilos> partition ya but why it says its a seagate
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> because that's what it is
[06:35] <Kilos> are samsung and seagate 1
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> seagate purchased samsungs HDD business years ago
[06:35] <Kilos> ah
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the device identification in the firmware may not necessarily say the same as the sticker on the device
[06:35] <Kilos> but in disk utilities it shows both
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> screenshot
[06:36] <Kilos> lemme try that again
[06:37] <Kilos> ai!
[06:39] <Kilos> eish i dunno how
[06:39] <Kilos> im sure last time was with kscreenshot
[06:39] <Kilos> now no such command
[06:39] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[06:44] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy   http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-jr4vU66P.png
[06:44] <Kilos> sorry about the konsole in the way
[06:45] <Kilos> its ksnapshot not kscreenshot
[06:50] <Kilos> and smart is disabled for it, do i enable that in bios?
[08:01] <magespawn> good morning
[08:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[08:15] <magespawn> what is the correct way to clear the mail from /var/mail/root?
[08:17] <inetpro> Kilos: our weatherman was clearly confused the other day
[08:17] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:17] <Kilos> storming here now
[08:17] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[08:17] <Kilos> he is confused all the time i think
[08:18] <Kilos> are there shortcut keys to take screenshot please
[08:18] <magespawn> aren't the weathermen always confused? i thought that was their modus operandi
[08:18] <Kilos> on kde of course
[08:18] <inetpro> Kilos: just press that one button dammit
[08:18] <magespawn> PrtSc
[08:18] <Kilos> i dont have a dammit button here
[08:19] <Kilos> lemme get magnifying glass
[08:19] <magespawn> top right hand side of the keyboard
[08:19] <Kilos> oh
[08:19] <Kilos> print screen and sysrq
[08:19] <magespawn> inetpro: what is the correct way to clear the mail from /var/mail/root?
[08:20] <inetpro> ai!
[08:21] <Kilos> lol
[08:21]  * Kilos loves the ai!
[08:21] <inetpro> # mail
[08:21] <inetpro> why do you have mail?
[08:25] <magespawn> not me, the centos/asterisk server does
[08:28] <magespawn> so i suppose technically i do, just not on this system, on the centos/asterisk server
[08:28] <magespawn> i am busy checking through it now, but it looks like it has never been cleared
[08:28] <magespawn> there is mail in there from 2013
[08:29] <magespawn> the file is 1226046 long
[08:29] <magespawn> 85 Mb
[08:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:30] <Kilos> what kind of mails magespawn  ?
[08:31] <magespawn> yup, i will be checking it regulalry from now on
[08:31] <Kilos> junk or important
[08:31] <magespawn> system stuff mostely
[08:33] <inetpro> magespawn: if you want to keep it for checking later just make a copy of it
[08:33] <inetpro> then do the following:
[08:33] <inetpro> # cat /dev/null > /var/mail/root
[08:35] <magespawn> i have copied it to my machine already, ty
[08:35] <inetpro> technically I think you can just delete it as well
[08:36] <inetpro> can't remember whether it has to be there, think it will just recreate next time there is mail
[08:36] <magespawn> from what i have read yes it does just recreate the file as it is needed
[08:37] <inetpro> Kilos: so, does it work?
[08:37] <magespawn> all the other commands i found remove the mailbox as well, seemed a bit drastic to me
[08:37] <inetpro> magespawn: it's just a file
[08:38] <inetpro> permissions of it is important though
[08:39] <inetpro> especially for normal users
[08:39] <inetpro> or users other than root
[08:39] <Kilos> i havent tried the dammit button yet inetpro  will check when i need another screenshot
[08:39] <inetpro> Kilos: check now man
[08:40] <inetpro> you don't have to save it
[08:40] <Kilos> ya works baie lekker, ty very much
[08:41] <inetpro> now do it again and again until your fingers remember it
[08:41] <Kilos> ai!
[08:41]  * inetpro don't want to see that question from Kilos here again again
[08:41] <Kilos> haha you shoulda helped the first time
[08:41] <inetpro> that was too long ago
[08:42] <Kilos> you shoulda helped everytime
[08:42] <inetpro> ai!
[08:42] <Kilos> reen nou hier en baie afgekoel
[08:43] <inetpro> lekker
[08:44]  * magespawn is enjoying vim
[08:44] <Kilos> well the ssd has taken xp now
[08:45] <Kilos> oso now i can try linux again
[08:46] <inetpro> Kilos: that just sounds naturally weird
[08:47] <Kilos> well before it didnt wanna take xp or 7 or kde but took unity
[08:47]  * inetpro will stay out of it
[08:47] <Kilos> now after much wiping and fixxmbr and fixboot it has taken xp so thats a good sign
[08:48] <inetpro> where's that bush fella?
[08:49] <Kilos> ai!
[08:49] <Kilos> maybe storm got him
[08:52] <Kilos> yesterday win7 couldnt even format it inetpro  
[08:52] <Kilos> nor xp nor linux
[08:52] <inetpro> jaja
[08:52] <Kilos> ai! ek gaan jou slaan
[08:53] <inetpro> there's no logic that can explain it man
[08:53] <Kilos> oh
[08:53] <Kilos> corruption somewhere
[08:56] <magespawn> yup when you strart running into errors like the disk is usually the problem
[08:57] <magespawn> maybe partition it and then test the individual partitions
[09:02] <Kilos> replacing windows xp with 12.04
[09:03] <Kilos> Maaz  jaja
[09:03] <Maaz> I believe you Kilos But millions would'nt
[09:04] <Kilos> ai! not me you fool bot
[09:04] <magespawn> inetpro my education is lacking, i need to know more
[09:04] <magespawn> sometimes i wish i could matrix the info in
[09:05] <magespawn> hello operator i need to know in depth centos system administration
[09:06] <Kilos> lpi course does centos man
[09:08] <inetpro> magespawn: just keep moving
[09:10] <inetpro> it's been 20 years of *nix and it feels like I know less than when I started
[09:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:11] <inetpro> when I started I knew it all
[09:12] <inetpro> at least that is what I thought at the time
[09:12] <magespawn> indeed
[09:13] <magespawn> i have some httpd errors in that mail file, bit concerning
[09:14] <inetpro> and if I remember correctly it all started with Sun Solaris in 1995
[09:14] <magespawn> a little while ago
[09:14] <inetpro> uh?
[09:14] <inetpro> httpd errors in the mail file?
[09:15] <inetpro> you mean, http errors mailed to root?
[09:15] <magespawn> the mail file is logwatch,
[09:16] <magespawn> i think iwas just starting to play around with windows then, 95 i think
[09:16] <magespawn> yes inetpro
[09:17] <inetpro> in 97 I actually gave up on *nix for some time, experienced it as something like a black hole, went back to windows for almost a year
[09:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:18] <inetpro> was like a revelation when I was forced to use it again when I had to help a customer to set up apache
[09:19] <inetpro> on solaris again
[09:20] <inetpro> magespawn: anyway, you where saying? ahh... logwatch
[09:20] <magespawn> inetpro: what was that phrase you used the other day for self tought people/
[09:21] <inetpro> autodidacticism
[09:21] <magespawn> so presume that is just a summary of httpd logs?
[09:22] <magespawn> would that be a good thing to put on your cv, i wonder/
[09:22] <magespawn> ?
[09:23] <Kilos> hehe
[09:23] <inetpro> magespawn: what was that I said to Kilos earlier? Oh yes, the oxymoron "naturally weird"
[09:23] <Kilos> Maaz  define autodidacticism
[09:23] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[09:23] <inetpro> think anyone reading your CV would think you're naturally weird
[09:24] <inetpro> wb bushtech
[09:24] <inetpro> ai!
[09:24] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <magespawn> it does have a wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodidacticism
[09:24] <Kilos> hoe vang hy jou nou
[09:25] <magespawn> they might do anyway
[09:25] <magespawn> 10 years field guide 4 computer technician
[09:25] <Kilos> inetpro  where did you learn that word
[09:26] <Kilos> all comes from pop groups
[09:26] <magespawn> i like thia line from the entry 'Many notable contributions have been made by autodidacts.'
[09:26] <inetpro> Kilos: froztbyte
[09:26] <Kilos> aha
[09:27] <Kilos> shame that glug is almost dead
[09:27] <Kilos> 12.04 struggling to setup users on the ssd
[09:27] <Kilos> grrr
[09:28] <Kilos> very slow install
[09:28] <Kilos> wb bushtech  
[09:28] <Kilos> die pro soek jou
[09:29] <Kilos> were sorry the installer crashed
[09:31] <magespawn> will traditional disk checking software work on an ssd?
[09:31] <Kilos> they say chkdsk does
[09:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no I didn't
[09:32]  * inetpro was just wondering
[09:32] <Kilos> ah
[09:32] <Kilos> he has a vodacom connection
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:33] <Kilos> hows your home connection now inetpro  ?
[09:34] <inetpro> forced it to stay on 4G and running pretty stable even if only on one bar at times
[09:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:35] <inetpro> before doing that it used to fluctuate too much
[09:36]  * inetpro is happy with stable
[09:37] <Kilos> yip stable is good
[09:37] <Kilos> and thats without thew external antenna?
[09:37] <inetpro> yep
[09:38] <Kilos> that will fix the strength
[09:39] <inetpro> Kilos: I tried, not really making much of a diff
[09:39] <Kilos> nee man it must
[09:39] <Kilos> point it in the right direction
[09:39] <Kilos> should be at least 5 times stronger
[09:40] <inetpro> no 
[09:40] <inetpro> 10db
[09:40] <inetpro> s/db/dBm/
[09:40] <magespawn> 10 db is not bad
[09:40] <magespawn> what antenna did you use?
[09:43] <magespawn> i am also loving scp
[09:47] <inetpro> magespawn: looks like this: http://www.antenna3g.co.za/img/sitepics/3gaerial/LPDA-A0044-BIGreduced.JPG
[09:47] <Kilos> 10db is a massive gain in strength
[09:47] <Kilos> iirc
[09:48] <Kilos> like 1 bar should go to 4 or 5
[09:48] <inetpro> have too many trees in the direction of the tower, I think
[09:50] <inetpro> so my LTE probably coming through to the standard antenna by deflection 
[09:53]  * inetpro certainly can not see the tower, even on the roof
[09:56] <Kilos> whew
[09:57] <Kilos> so how do you know if you pointing it in the right direction
[09:58] <Kilos> fractions of an inch can make a diffs
[10:11] <AndChat|99281> load shedding is back
[10:11] <magespawn> something broke with my latest update
[10:12] <Kilos> eish
[10:14] <magespawn> whenever the laptop switch the screen off i cannot get them to bring it back on
[10:15] <magespawn> so i have to start the machine
[10:15] <magespawn> restart
[10:20] <magespawn> i am going to try a release upgrade since i am on 14.04
[10:47] <magespawn> my system thinks 14.10 does not exist
[10:49] <magespawn> well here we go
[10:51] <magespawn> nope not going to do that now 
[10:52] <magespawn> going to take way too long in the middle of the day
[10:52] <magespawn> bbl
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:43] <Kilos> if 14.04 is working leave it
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's the kind of thinking that sees people still running windows xp
[12:11] <Kilos> lol
[12:11] <Squirm> hey all
[12:12] <Kilos> experiment at home and if things arent broken dont try fix them
[12:12] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[12:12] <Kilos> work already a load without sorting and adding new probs
[12:30] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: luckily i am persistant and see absolutely no reason to go back to windows
[12:44] <bduk> magespawn you have no software that is win dependant?
[12:51] <Kilos> lol
[13:19] <Kilos> Maaz  750/22
[13:19] <Maaz> Kilos: 34.0909090909
[13:38] <magespawn> bduk not for myself no
[13:41] <bduk> wish i could  get rid of my win needs
[13:43] <inetpro> bduk: what do you still depend on?
[14:05] <magespawn> and on that note will chat later all
[14:06] <Squirm> waiting for the load shedding to hit
[14:06] <Squirm> which was meant to hit at 4
[14:22] <Kilos> ai!
[14:26] <bduk1> Sorry inetpro,  big storm coming had to run around. Mostly games my heli sim trainer, some radio programing software and some security dvr,s
[14:29] <bushtech> bduk,  whereabouts are you?
[14:33] <bushtech> bduk1, whereabouts are you?
[14:41] <bduk1> Cullinan bushtech
[14:42] <bduk1> East of pretoria
[14:43] <bushtech> Thanks bduk1
[14:53] <Squirm> almost
[14:53] <Squirm> home
[14:53] <Squirm> time
[14:53] <Kilos> yay
[14:59] <Squirm> cheers all...
[14:59] <Squirm> It's the weekend baby!
[15:01] <Kilos> enjoy Squirm  
[17:43] <Kilos> sigh
[17:45] <Kilos> evening superfly  inetpro  and others
[18:04] <superfly> evening Kilos
[18:05] <superfly> so, Kilos, after generating this 355GB file, I ran it through a video converter, and made an 8.5GB file
[18:06] <Kilos> what is the vidoe about superfly  ?
[18:06] <Kilos> what converter made it so small?
[18:07] <superfly> Kilos: it's a visualization of the history of a program's development
[18:07] <Kilos> whew
[18:45] <magespawn> good evening
[18:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:49] <magespawn> how are things kilos?
[18:49] <Kilos> good ty magespawn   and there?
[18:50] <Kilos> ssd working again
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe
[18:50] <Kilos> only now its got 32bit 12.04 on and need 250m upgrades after midnight
[18:51] <magespawn> ahh well, at least it is working
[18:52] <captine> hi all
[18:53] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:53] <captine> Kilos, why 12.04 and not 14.04?
[18:54] <Kilos> weird stuff though magespawn  bios showed drive as j? not samsung ssd
[18:54] <Kilos> i dont have the 32 bit iso anymore and other pc cant do 64bit
[18:55] <Kilos> i lost many isos when i zeroed the wrong drive
[18:55] <Kilos> hehe
[18:55] <captine> well, shout if you want it posted to you or something.  can always download and post
[18:56] <magespawn> i have just dowloaded the latest iso as well
[18:56] <Kilos> ty for the offer but let me see if the ssd is stable and not crash after 2 days again then ill bring it here and go 14.04 64bit again
[18:57] <captine> cool
[18:57] <Kilos> 14.10?
[18:57] <captine> I havent gone to 14.10
[18:57] <magespawn> neither have i yet
[18:57] <Kilos> is that what you downloaded
[18:57] <captine> I am planning on using the machine I am on (mac mini 16gig memory etc) as my desktop but also server, so not going to experiment on it
[18:57] <Kilos> im not going to
[18:58] <Kilos> rather go 16.04
[18:58] <magespawn> yes the kde version
[18:58] <captine> i only used kde once on an arch linux derivative.  liked it, but prefer the simple Unity... :)  will load ubuntu MATE edition on my wifes old macbook when she retires it...
[18:59] <magespawn> 16.04? i thought the latest was 14.10
[18:59] <Kilos> lol
[18:59] <Kilos> ya man magespawn  im going lts only
[19:00] <Kilos> and by then theyll have mir and systemd very stable
[19:01] <magespawn> isn't the next 15.04?
[19:03] <Kilos> nope lts is every 2 years
[19:04] <Kilos> 12.04 > 14.04 > 16.04
[19:05] <magespawn> ohh okay, they changed it hey?
[19:06] <captine> i ma looking forward to 15.04 gnome edition.  think it will look good
[19:09] <magespawn> funny thing is i am moving away from a desktop at the moment, so i am pretty easy, as long as it loads fast
[19:10] <captine> magespawn, moving away?
[19:10] <captine> going to command line?
[19:10] <magespawn> yup
[19:10] <Kilos> ai!
[19:10] <magespawn> getting the skills going on the cli
[19:10] <captine> wow.  i couldnt do that.  too comfortable with pictures...
[19:10] <captine> :)
[19:10] <Kilos> no drag and drop sigh
[19:11] <magespawn> still use the ordinary browser, i have not gone completly cli yet
[19:11] <captine> i am trying to figure out how to replace virtualbox with kvm/juju...  pretty confusing for non-IT person.
[19:13] <magespawn> speak to inetpro, he seems to have some experience in that area
[19:16] <Kilos> theblazehen  you sick or studying?
[19:16] <Kilos> no lies
[19:19] <magespawn> superfly you around?
[19:25] <magespawn> maaz tell superfly what does python -v do?
[19:25] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell superfly on freenode
[19:27] <captine> thanks magespawn.  Will chat to Inetpro when stuck... it will happen
[19:27] <captine> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow
[19:27] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[19:34] <superfly> magespawn: surely it just shows the version?
[19:34] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell superfly what does python -v do?" 8 minutes and 50 seconds ago
[19:34] <superfly> magespawn: most programs use -v to show the version number
[19:35] <magespawn> thats what i thought but no, got a whole lot of out put
[19:37] <magespawn> pastebin, if you want to see
[19:39] <magespawn> http://pastebin.com/nebCqG9f
[19:46] <magespawn> any way i need to be off to bed, good night all
[19:50] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn python --help
[19:50] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[20:08] <inetpro> Maaz: tell magespawn man python
[20:08] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[20:08] <inetpro> hullo