[03:22] morning all [03:23] hi octoquad [03:23] nlsthzn hi there laddy, hows ya [03:40] wb bushtech [03:40] you hopping so early [04:07] hi bduk [04:19] morning all [04:32] jy vroeg ne [05:38] morning all [05:39] hmmm... no aspell in xchat currently :/ [05:42] hi nlsthzn [05:42] how are you uncle Kilos ? [05:42] good ty nlsthzn and you? [05:42] good thanks :) [05:52] Mornings [06:12] o/ oh hi oom Kilos :) [06:12] o/ hi bduk, nlsthzn [06:13] Morning nlsthzn [06:15] o/ [06:19] hi nuvolari ThatGraemeGuy [06:20] hmm... [06:21] weirdness never ends [06:22] 256 ssd shows as samsung ssd pm 830 [06:22] and [06:23] seagate FA GoFlex desk [06:23] thats in disks [06:24] maybe someone did a firmware upgrade from seagate and thats why im having probs [06:24] Kilos: I have a 4pond hammer for you [06:24] lol [06:25] jy sien hoe kan dit wys as twee verskillende skywe [06:25] pm830 is the model number [06:26] ek het pc goed beloer van alle kante on seker te maak daar is niks anders in geplug nie [06:27] ya thats what it is ThatGraemeGuy [06:27] Kilos: sudo lshw -class storage [06:27] paste output to pastebin [06:27] ok [06:28] sorry [06:28] sudo lshw -class storage -class disk [06:28] or just disk even might be enough [06:28] meh [06:29] http://slexy.org/view/s21Wy6u3ko [06:29] lemme do next one [06:31] http://slexy.org/view/s2zDLWyCxB [06:31] that goflex thing must be a partyition [06:32] that's your ssd [06:34] partition ya but why it says its a seagate [06:34] because that's what it is [06:35] are samsung and seagate 1 [06:35] seagate purchased samsungs HDD business years ago [06:35] ah [06:35] so the device identification in the firmware may not necessarily say the same as the sticker on the device [06:35] but in disk utilities it shows both [06:35] screenshot [06:36] lemme try that again [06:37] ai! [06:39] eish i dunno how [06:39] im sure last time was with kscreenshot [06:39] now no such command [06:39] inetpro ping [06:44] ThatGraemeGuy http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-jr4vU66P.png [06:44] sorry about the konsole in the way [06:45] its ksnapshot not kscreenshot [06:50] and smart is disabled for it, do i enable that in bios? [08:01] good morning [08:01] hi magespawn [08:15] what is the correct way to clear the mail from /var/mail/root? [08:17] Kilos: our weatherman was clearly confused the other day [08:17] good mornings [08:17] storming here now [08:17] hi inetpro [08:17] he is confused all the time i think [08:18] are there shortcut keys to take screenshot please [08:18] aren't the weathermen always confused? i thought that was their modus operandi [08:18] on kde of course [08:18] Kilos: just press that one button dammit [08:18] PrtSc [08:18] i dont have a dammit button here [08:19] lemme get magnifying glass [08:19] top right hand side of the keyboard [08:19] oh [08:19] print screen and sysrq [08:19] inetpro: what is the correct way to clear the mail from /var/mail/root? [08:20] ai! [08:21] lol [08:21] * Kilos loves the ai! [08:21] # mail [08:21] why do you have mail? [08:25] not me, the centos/asterisk server does [08:28] so i suppose technically i do, just not on this system, on the centos/asterisk server [08:28] i am busy checking through it now, but it looks like it has never been cleared [08:28] there is mail in there from 2013 [08:29] the file is 1226046 long [08:29] 85 Mb [08:30] sjoe [08:30] what kind of mails magespawn ? [08:31] yup, i will be checking it regulalry from now on [08:31] junk or important [08:31] system stuff mostely [08:33] magespawn: if you want to keep it for checking later just make a copy of it [08:33] then do the following: [08:33] # cat /dev/null > /var/mail/root [08:35] i have copied it to my machine already, ty [08:35] technically I think you can just delete it as well [08:36] can't remember whether it has to be there, think it will just recreate next time there is mail [08:36] from what i have read yes it does just recreate the file as it is needed [08:37] Kilos: so, does it work? [08:37] all the other commands i found remove the mailbox as well, seemed a bit drastic to me [08:37] magespawn: it's just a file [08:38] permissions of it is important though [08:39] especially for normal users [08:39] or users other than root [08:39] i havent tried the dammit button yet inetpro will check when i need another screenshot [08:39] Kilos: check now man [08:40] you don't have to save it [08:40] ya works baie lekker, ty very much [08:41] now do it again and again until your fingers remember it [08:41] ai! [08:41] * inetpro don't want to see that question from Kilos here again again [08:41] haha you shoulda helped the first time [08:41] that was too long ago [08:42] you shoulda helped everytime [08:42] ai! [08:42] reen nou hier en baie afgekoel [08:43] lekker [08:44] * magespawn is enjoying vim [08:44] well the ssd has taken xp now [08:45] oso now i can try linux again [08:46] Kilos: that just sounds naturally weird [08:47] well before it didnt wanna take xp or 7 or kde but took unity [08:47] * inetpro will stay out of it [08:47] now after much wiping and fixxmbr and fixboot it has taken xp so thats a good sign [08:48] where's that bush fella? [08:49] ai! [08:49] maybe storm got him [08:52] yesterday win7 couldnt even format it inetpro [08:52] nor xp nor linux [08:52] jaja [08:52] ai! ek gaan jou slaan [08:53] there's no logic that can explain it man [08:53] oh [08:53] corruption somewhere [08:56] yup when you strart running into errors like the disk is usually the problem [08:57] maybe partition it and then test the individual partitions [09:02] replacing windows xp with 12.04 [09:03] Maaz jaja [09:03] I believe you Kilos But millions would'nt [09:04] ai! not me you fool bot [09:04] inetpro my education is lacking, i need to know more [09:04] sometimes i wish i could matrix the info in [09:05] hello operator i need to know in depth centos system administration [09:06] lpi course does centos man [09:08] magespawn: just keep moving [09:10] it's been 20 years of *nix and it feels like I know less than when I started [09:11] sjoe [09:11] when I started I knew it all [09:12] at least that is what I thought at the time [09:12] indeed [09:13] i have some httpd errors in that mail file, bit concerning [09:14] and if I remember correctly it all started with Sun Solaris in 1995 [09:14] a little while ago [09:14] uh? [09:14] httpd errors in the mail file? [09:15] you mean, http errors mailed to root? [09:15] the mail file is logwatch, [09:16] i think iwas just starting to play around with windows then, 95 i think [09:16] yes inetpro [09:17] in 97 I actually gave up on *nix for some time, experienced it as something like a black hole, went back to windows for almost a year [09:17] hahaha [09:18] was like a revelation when I was forced to use it again when I had to help a customer to set up apache [09:19] on solaris again [09:20] magespawn: anyway, you where saying? ahh... logwatch [09:20] inetpro: what was that phrase you used the other day for self tought people/ [09:21] autodidacticism [09:21] so presume that is just a summary of httpd logs? [09:22] would that be a good thing to put on your cv, i wonder/ [09:22] ? [09:23] hehe [09:23] magespawn: what was that I said to Kilos earlier? Oh yes, the oxymoron "naturally weird" [09:23] Maaz define autodidacticism [09:23] Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word? [09:23] think anyone reading your CV would think you're naturally weird [09:24] wb bushtech [09:24] ai! [09:24] lol [09:24] it does have a wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodidacticism [09:24] hoe vang hy jou nou [09:25] they might do anyway [09:25] 10 years field guide 4 computer technician [09:25] inetpro where did you learn that word [09:26] all comes from pop groups [09:26] i like thia line from the entry 'Many notable contributions have been made by autodidacts.' [09:26] Kilos: froztbyte [09:26] aha [09:27] shame that glug is almost dead [09:27] 12.04 struggling to setup users on the ssd [09:27] grrr [09:28] very slow install [09:28] wb bushtech [09:28] die pro soek jou [09:29] were sorry the installer crashed [09:31] will traditional disk checking software work on an ssd? [09:31] they say chkdsk does [09:32] Kilos: no I didn't [09:32] * inetpro was just wondering [09:32] ah [09:32] he has a vodacom connection [09:32] lol [09:33] hows your home connection now inetpro ? [09:34] forced it to stay on 4G and running pretty stable even if only on one bar at times [09:35] sjoe [09:35] before doing that it used to fluctuate too much [09:36] * inetpro is happy with stable [09:37] yip stable is good [09:37] and thats without thew external antenna? [09:37] yep [09:38] that will fix the strength [09:39] Kilos: I tried, not really making much of a diff [09:39] nee man it must [09:39] point it in the right direction [09:39] should be at least 5 times stronger [09:40] no [09:40] 10db [09:40] s/db/dBm/ [09:40] 10 db is not bad [09:40] what antenna did you use? [09:43] i am also loving scp [09:47] magespawn: looks like this: http://www.antenna3g.co.za/img/sitepics/3gaerial/LPDA-A0044-BIGreduced.JPG [09:47] 10db is a massive gain in strength [09:47] iirc [09:48] like 1 bar should go to 4 or 5 [09:48] have too many trees in the direction of the tower, I think [09:50] so my LTE probably coming through to the standard antenna by deflection [09:53] * inetpro certainly can not see the tower, even on the roof [09:56] whew [09:57] so how do you know if you pointing it in the right direction [09:58] fractions of an inch can make a diffs [10:11] load shedding is back [10:11] something broke with my latest update [10:12] eish [10:14] whenever the laptop switch the screen off i cannot get them to bring it back on [10:15] so i have to start the machine [10:15] restart [10:20] i am going to try a release upgrade since i am on 14.04 [10:47] my system thinks 14.10 does not exist [10:49] well here we go [10:51] nope not going to do that now [10:52] going to take way too long in the middle of the day [10:52] bbl [11:43] lol [11:43] if 14.04 is working leave it [12:07] heh [12:07] that's the kind of thinking that sees people still running windows xp [12:11] lol [12:11] hey all [12:12] experiment at home and if things arent broken dont try fix them [12:12] hi Squirm [12:12] work already a load without sorting and adding new probs [12:30] ThatGraemeGuy: luckily i am persistant and see absolutely no reason to go back to windows [12:44] magespawn you have no software that is win dependant? [12:51] lol === AndChat|99281 is now known as bduk [13:19] Maaz 750/22 [13:19] Kilos: 34.0909090909 [13:38] bduk not for myself no [13:41] wish i could get rid of my win needs [13:43] bduk: what do you still depend on? [14:05] and on that note will chat later all [14:06] waiting for the load shedding to hit [14:06] which was meant to hit at 4 [14:22] ai! [14:26] Sorry inetpro, big storm coming had to run around. Mostly games my heli sim trainer, some radio programing software and some security dvr,s [14:29] bduk, whereabouts are you? [14:33] bduk1, whereabouts are you? [14:41] Cullinan bushtech [14:42] East of pretoria [14:43] Thanks bduk1 [14:53] almost [14:53] home [14:53] time [14:53] yay [14:59] cheers all... [14:59] It's the weekend baby! [15:01] enjoy Squirm [17:43] sigh [17:45] evening superfly inetpro and others [18:04] evening Kilos [18:05] so, Kilos, after generating this 355GB file, I ran it through a video converter, and made an 8.5GB file [18:06] what is the vidoe about superfly ? [18:06] what converter made it so small? [18:07] Kilos: it's a visualization of the history of a program's development [18:07] whew [18:45] good evening [18:46] hi magespawn [18:49] how are things kilos? [18:49] good ty magespawn and there? [18:50] ssd working again [18:50] hehe [18:50] only now its got 32bit 12.04 on and need 250m upgrades after midnight [18:51] ahh well, at least it is working [18:52] hi all [18:53] hi captine [18:53] Kilos, why 12.04 and not 14.04? [18:54] weird stuff though magespawn bios showed drive as j? not samsung ssd [18:54] i dont have the 32 bit iso anymore and other pc cant do 64bit [18:55] i lost many isos when i zeroed the wrong drive [18:55] hehe [18:55] well, shout if you want it posted to you or something. can always download and post [18:56] i have just dowloaded the latest iso as well [18:56] ty for the offer but let me see if the ssd is stable and not crash after 2 days again then ill bring it here and go 14.04 64bit again [18:57] cool [18:57] 14.10? [18:57] I havent gone to 14.10 [18:57] neither have i yet [18:57] is that what you downloaded [18:57] I am planning on using the machine I am on (mac mini 16gig memory etc) as my desktop but also server, so not going to experiment on it [18:57] im not going to [18:58] rather go 16.04 [18:58] yes the kde version [18:58] i only used kde once on an arch linux derivative. liked it, but prefer the simple Unity... :) will load ubuntu MATE edition on my wifes old macbook when she retires it... [18:59] 16.04? i thought the latest was 14.10 [18:59] lol [18:59] ya man magespawn im going lts only [19:00] and by then theyll have mir and systemd very stable [19:01] isn't the next 15.04? [19:03] nope lts is every 2 years [19:04] 12.04 > 14.04 > 16.04 [19:05] ohh okay, they changed it hey? [19:06] i ma looking forward to 15.04 gnome edition. think it will look good [19:09] funny thing is i am moving away from a desktop at the moment, so i am pretty easy, as long as it loads fast [19:10] magespawn, moving away? [19:10] going to command line? [19:10] yup [19:10] ai! [19:10] getting the skills going on the cli [19:10] wow. i couldnt do that. too comfortable with pictures... [19:10] :) [19:10] no drag and drop sigh [19:11] still use the ordinary browser, i have not gone completly cli yet [19:11] i am trying to figure out how to replace virtualbox with kvm/juju... pretty confusing for non-IT person. [19:13] speak to inetpro, he seems to have some experience in that area [19:16] theblazehen you sick or studying? [19:16] no lies [19:19] superfly you around? [19:25] maaz tell superfly what does python -v do? [19:25] magespawn: Okay, I'll tell superfly on freenode [19:27] thanks magespawn. Will chat to Inetpro when stuck... it will happen [19:27] lol [19:27] night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow [19:27] good night Kilos [19:34] magespawn: surely it just shows the version? [19:34] superfly: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell superfly what does python -v do?" 8 minutes and 50 seconds ago [19:34] magespawn: most programs use -v to show the version number [19:35] thats what i thought but no, got a whole lot of out put [19:37] pastebin, if you want to see [19:39] http://pastebin.com/nebCqG9f [19:46] any way i need to be off to bed, good night all [19:50] Maaz: tell magespawn python --help [19:50] superfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode [20:08] Maaz: tell magespawn man python [20:08] inetpro: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode [20:08] hullo