[01:05] <bluesabre> Good evening everyone!
[01:08] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[01:09] <bluesabre> hey knome
[01:15]  * bluesabre finally has internet again
[01:18] <knome> congrats
[01:18] <knome> or...
[01:18] <knome> !conga-rats-#ubuntustudio-devel
[01:19] <knome> one of the less known awesome factoids
[01:21]  * drc thinks the last thing he want in his mind is a image of anyone's devels doing a conga line :(
[01:21] <Unit193> drc: You've seen pictures of most of us, picture it! :D
[01:23]  * drc now understands the need for eye-bleach.
[01:25] <bluesabre> haha
[01:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Anything else I need to ping you about? :P
[01:29] <bluesabre> if you think of anything, drop me a line
[01:30]  * Unit193 calls bluesabre.
[01:31]  * bluesabre expects phone to start ringing
[01:31] <Unit193> Pretty sure elfy mentioned getting stuff that we actually want from staging into the real archive, but not sure what's pending right now.
[01:32] <bluesabre> probably lots
[01:32] <bluesabre> need to get light-locker and xfpm uploaded
[02:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: before I upload light-locker and xfpm, were there any concerns/complaints about the one in -staging?
[02:47] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, welcome back
[02:47] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: hey
[02:47] <bluesabre> working on taskmanager now
[02:49] <bluesabre> and.... uploaded
[03:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not a clue.
[03:05] <bluesabre> Thanks!
[03:05] <bluesabre> I think :P
[03:10] <Unit193> I think we can all agree, hamster is useless for us. :P
[03:11] <bluesabre> <3 hamster
[03:14] <Unit193> Nooo, xfce4-hamster-plugin, since you're going through the PPAs. :P
[03:16] <bluesabre> :D
[03:16] <bluesabre> just trying to dent my backlog :)
[03:17] <bluesabre> annoyingly, I feel the need to rebuild things before I try to upload, so it takes a while
[03:17] <Unit193> Ah, good choice.
[03:18] <Unit193> Anything fun in the backlog?
[03:18] <bluesabre> not really, building light-locker now and watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5tkGmavfvQ
[03:21] <Unit193> Ah, this will be the new settings then.
[03:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: So what about the others anywho, while it's building mind giving your thoughts on it?
[03:25] <bluesabre> yeah, light-locker and xfpm-settings
[03:25] <bluesabre> as for the others, checking now
[03:26] <Unit193> Oh sorry, meant in extras.  But anywho, branched xubuntu.vivid, so as soon as you upload I can push the removal of -settings.
[03:56] <bluesabre> uploaded, but wait a bit longer for xubuntu.vivid dropping -settings
[03:56] <bluesabre> want to fix it for the new release before losing upload rights :)
[03:58] <Unit193> Figured you would, yep.  Do you lose rights quickly then?
[03:59] <bluesabre> I think the packageset gets updated daily
[04:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, do panel yet?  If not, http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=e01b5aba18226b52227549f13f6f74dc447464d3 - http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=1cfbcde589ebd4f59296202296d9e9e42252b8c1 review these maybe?
[04:10] <bluesabre> already did panel (everything goes to -proposed it seems), but I can take a look at that tomorrow perhaps
[04:11] <Unit193> OK.
[04:14] <bluesabre> I think that's a good start for tonight... be back tomorrow
[04:14] <bluesabre> g'night
[04:14] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras/+packages and to the fate of those too, it's a thing to look at later.
[04:14] <Unit193> G'night!
[08:53] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:55] <ochosi> elfy: so, my (final) patch for shaded windows and intelligent hiding was pushed last night, so it' ll be in the next release and we can (if we want) carry it as a patch before that. but it's probably not crucial enough
[09:05] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[09:05] <elfy> and okey doke :)
[09:05] <andrzejr> ochosi, if you need a release (when?) just let me know
[09:06] <ochosi> andrzejr: thanks! well not sure a single commit warrants a release, but i'll keep that in mind
[09:06] <ochosi> i hope there'll be more commits until 15.04 ;)
[09:07] <andrzejr> when is the freeze?
[09:08] <ochosi> in ~2months
[09:08] <ochosi> so enough time
[09:08] <ochosi> (bugfix releases could be sneaked in until late in the cycle)
[09:08] <andrzejr> OK, thanks. gtg
[09:10] <ochosi> sure, ttyl andrzejr 
[09:10] <ochosi> elfy: i talked to some folks in ubuntu desktop about the menuitem problem we've been seeing with transmission
[09:10] <ochosi> and we debugged it together, pointing to a bug (or: unwanted behavior) of gtk itself
[09:11] <ochosi> now the final suggestion was to disable icons in menus altogether (since that also fixes the issue)
[09:13] <elfy> that'll be one of those things that I don't see unless it's pointed out to me then ;)
[09:13] <ochosi> hah, not sure tbh
[09:13] <ochosi> you might end up seeing it
[09:13] <elfy> looks fine to me :)
[09:13] <ochosi> have you flipped the switch already?
[09:14] <elfy> switch?
[09:14] <elfy> just running here with defaults except staging and shimmer ppa's (possibly unit's)
[09:14] <ochosi> oh right, you mean you won't notice the bug in transmission
[09:15] <elfy> yea :)
[09:15] <elfy> old eyes - need new glasses :p
[09:15] <ochosi> so just so we get everything right, let's start from the top
[09:15] <ochosi> open transmission -> see the padding on the left of the items in the menubar
[09:16] <elfy> don't know what you mean by padding :)
[09:16] <ochosi> click e.g. the "file" menu and see that the menubar-menuitem has weird padding
[09:16] <ochosi> well an empty space on the left
[09:17] <elfy> oh right 
[09:17] <elfy> yea - I see that :)
[09:17] <ochosi> ok, now open the settings editor
[09:17] <ochosi> go to xsettings > Gtk
[09:17] <ochosi> and there should be an entry "MenuImages"
[09:17] <ochosi> untick that box
[09:18] <elfy> yep - see the effect too
[09:18] <ochosi> so transmission should be fixed
[09:18] <elfy> yep - I can see that and agree with you :)
[09:19] <ochosi> ok, now try to live with that setting for a day
[09:20] <elfy> ok
[09:21] <ochosi> we'll see, maybe we get the bug fixed upstream thoguh
[09:21] <ochosi> then we can keep the icons
[09:22] <elfy> so - while this looks ok with transmission with only text and no icons - others with both look odd?
[09:23] <ochosi> just open a menu in e.g. thunar
[09:23] <ochosi> right click in a folder
[09:23] <ochosi> that gives you a good idea of the effect
[09:24] <elfy> mmm
[09:24] <elfy> I can see now that's going to annoy me :)
[09:24] <ochosi> yeah
[09:24] <ochosi> i was afraid it would annoy all of us
[09:25] <ochosi> i'm actually pretty sure that nobody here wants to get rid of icons in menus
[09:25] <ochosi> it's what upstream gtk wants though
[09:25] <elfy> I don't actually really read those menus ... 
[09:25] <elfy> mmm - how surprising 
[09:27] <elfy> given the choice between odd padding and icons - I'd go for odd padding :)
[09:28] <ochosi> thing is, it might take quite a bit of effort to get that bug fixed (and to find the culprit) upstream, so i wanna make sure it's worth the effort before i invest lots of time
[09:29] <elfy> well from my pov
[09:29] <elfy> I didn't even take any notice 
[09:29] <elfy> I understand that your pov is you see when something is 1px wrong :)
[09:30] <ochosi> that's 16px!!!
[09:30] <ochosi> ;)
[09:31] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[09:31] <ochosi> but yeah, it's probably not worth this sort of workaround, we'll see
[09:31] <elfy> and ... 
[09:31] <elfy> I've ticked the box already 
[09:32] <elfy> imagine someone using English settings that has English as a third language or something - they'll be using icons :)
[09:58] <ochosi> elfy: wow, i think that setting is really a clear no-go. the power manager panel plugin looks like craaaaap
[09:59] <ochosi> uargh, and the old appmenu in the panel is even worse
[10:07] <elfy> my ind stuff in the panel's all fubar currently so can't tell 
[10:07] <elfy> but I looked at the old appmenu ... 
[10:07] <elfy> we can't do that to people :)
[10:08] <ochosi> yeah
[10:08] <ochosi> weird that your indicators are all messed up
[10:08] <ochosi> maybe i should create a new user in vivid
[10:09] <ochosi> i'm currently sharing my profile between a trusty and vivid install
[10:09] <elfy> yep - expecting ssd this morning - will be doing some clean installs today, will check afterwards
[10:09] <elfy> seemed to lose the sound ind after installing a new soundcard - though probably coincidence 
[10:11] <ochosi> ok, created a new user just to be sure and everything is fine with the indicators
[10:11] <ochosi> so i'm not sure what's up with your installation
[10:11] <elfy> ochosi: well ... you know - fiddle about doesn't help :p 
[10:12] <ochosi> yeah, probably not
[10:12] <elfy> if it's still the same after clean install I'll be more concerned 
[10:12] <ochosi> yup
[10:12] <ochosi> you saw the trello thingy i started for gtk3 issues, right?
[10:12] <elfy> yep I did thanks
[10:12] <ochosi> ok
[10:12] <ochosi> feel free to add stuff if you notice
[10:12] <ochosi> or maybe i also forgot to list something we already discovered
[10:13] <ochosi> (should've started this list earlier)
[10:14] <elfy> I will - but given it's likely I'll not notice so much - but I'll keep an eye on it, subscribed to it 
[10:22] <elfy> logs are on wiki now
[10:23] <elfy> ochosi: so bluesabre thinks best not to bother with A2 as well it seems
[10:46] <elfy> hi slickymasterWork - do you know that it's your turn to set up the next meeting ... 
[10:47] <elfy> if you didn't - you do now :p
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> yes I know, I was going to do it today
[10:47] <elfy> :)
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> elfy, 22:00 UTC is still a good hour for you?
[10:56] <elfy> ok for me - but don't set time specifically for me :)
[10:56] <elfy> next one I set I'm going to do on a day off during the day to suit bluesabre :)
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> on one of yours?
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> the day off I mean
[10:57] <ochosi> elfy: right, in that case i'm fine with skipping a2
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi 
[10:57] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork 
[10:58] <elfy> slickymasterWork: yea 
[10:58] <ochosi> how's it going?
[10:58] <elfy> ochosi: ok
[10:58] <slickymasterWork> doing fine. a bit tired though
[11:04] <bluesabre> yes, let's skip it
[11:04] <bluesabre> :)
[11:05] <ochosi> morning bluesabre, and congrats on your internet ;)
[11:05] <bluesabre> ty
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> hey bluesabre 
[11:06] <ochosi> first question
[11:06] <ochosi> you mentioned an xfpm build last night
[11:06] <ochosi> but the one in staging never built
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, is 22:00 UTC alright with you for the next meeting?
[11:06] <ochosi> so testing the light-locker patch wasn't possible
[11:06] <ochosi> (i mean i've tested it with my local build, but others haven't)
[11:07] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: I'll do my best
[11:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: well, its pushed to the archive now
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> I can set another hour if you give a time frame
[11:07] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: I'll make it work
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> that works for you
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks
[11:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: incl the patch?
[11:10] <ochosi> i have 1.4.2-0ubuntu3, would that be it?
[11:10] <bluesabre> should be
[11:10] <bluesabre> xfce4-power-manager (1.4.2-0ubuntu3) vivid; urgency=medium
[11:10] <bluesabre>   * debian/patches: Add ll_integration.patch, for light-locker
[11:10] <bluesabre>     integration in xfce4-power-manager-settings
[11:10] <bluesabre>  -- Sean Davis <smd.seandavis@gmail.com>  Thu, 08 Jan 2015 22:36:37 -0500
[11:11] <bluesabre> light-locker (1.5.1-0ubuntu1) vivid; urgency=medium
[11:11] <bluesabre>   * New development release.
[11:11] <bluesabre>   * Merged packaging from debian unstable, remaining changes:
[11:11] <bluesabre>     - debian/control: 
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Remove liblightdm-gobject-dev, not in Ubuntu and not required 
[11:11] <bluesabre>         to build and operate
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Add light-locker-settings | xfce4-power-manager to Recommends
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Update standards version to 3.9.6
[11:11] <bluesabre>     - debian/rules:
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Build with no-lock-on-suspend and late-locking support
[11:11] <bluesabre>  -- Sean Davis <smd.seandavis@gmail.com>  Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:30:58 -0500
[11:12] <ochosi> right, then i have to report that it doesn't work
[11:12] <bluesabre> :\
[11:12] <ochosi> no security-tab in xfpm-settings
[11:12] <ochosi> i have both of those packages in the referred-to versions
[11:12] <slickymasterWork> damn wiki
[11:13] <bluesabre> open dconf-editor and check if /apps/light-locker exists
[11:13] <ochosi> it does
[11:13] <ochosi> might also exist from before
[11:13] <bluesabre> and open xfce4-power-manager-settings in terminal
[11:13] <ochosi> i think i've tested 1.5.1 locally here
[11:14] <ochosi> yeah, i've done that
[11:14] <ochosi> just some warnings
[11:14] <ochosi> (xfce4-power-manager-settings:11313): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[11:14] <bluesabre> any output?
[11:14] <ochosi> etc
[11:14] <bluesabre> hm
[11:15]  * bluesabre downloads a vivid daily iso
[11:16]  * ochosi tries a new user profile
[11:16] <ochosi> brb
[11:16] <elfy> back in a while 
[11:17] <ochosi> same with a blank user profile
[11:18] <ochosi> maybe we need to add some debug statements for the light-locker integration
[11:19] <bluesabre> there is
[11:19] <bluesabre> +    } else {
[11:19] <bluesabre> +        g_warning("Schema \"apps.light-locker\" not found. Not configuring Light Locker.");
[11:19] <bluesabre> +        gtk_widget_hide (light_locker_tab);
[11:19] <ochosi> ah ok
[11:19] <ochosi> hm
[11:19] <bluesabre> if the tab is to be hidden, you'll see a message
[11:20] <ochosi> then i guess it's just the tab showing/hiding that doesn't work as presumed..?
[11:20] <bluesabre> do you have a local install of xfpm?
[11:20] <ochosi> since it's hidden
[11:20] <ochosi> nope, i don't think so
[11:20] <ochosi> and even if i had, it would be overridden by the package upgrade already
[11:20] <ochosi> (or even: overwritten)
[11:20] <bluesabre> not if its in /usr/local
[11:21] <bluesabre> which xfce4-power-manager
[11:21] <ochosi> yeah, but there's nothing
[11:21] <ochosi> i'm running all from /usr/bin
[11:22] <bluesabre> if there's no warning and no tab, theres an issue with the install
[11:22] <ochosi> you mean with the packaging?
[11:22] <ochosi> ;)
[11:22] <bluesabre> nope :P
[11:23] <bluesabre> I'll take a look later.... my internet seems slow for ISOs
[11:24] <jhenke> hi folks, if any of you have some time to look at bug 1408979 (UI/theming)
[11:25] <ochosi> jhenke: numix is fixed or will be, the others aren't maintained/supported anymore
[11:25] <ochosi> if you wanna submit a patch for that, i'll probably merge it
[11:25] <ochosi> but i don't have time to maintain all those themes, so in the future only numix+greybird
[11:26] <jhenke> okay, Numix is the important for me :)
[11:26] <jhenke> thanks anyway for all you theming work
[11:26] <ochosi> np
[11:26] <ochosi> had to take that decision with gtk3.14 demanding many changes in the theme again
[11:26] <ochosi> (introducing a new button state etc)
[11:27] <ochosi> it's just sucking up too much time
[11:28] <jhenke> I'll file another bug about Numix btw, in some applications like Synaptic the unchekced checkbox is not visible at all
[11:29] <ochosi> in menus?
[11:29] <ochosi> i'd say try with the shimmer-daily PPA first
[11:29] <ochosi> then you'll see whether the bug is already fixed
[11:29] <jhenke> I saw that both in the ubuntu installer and synpatic
[11:31] <ali12341> ochosi: is orion unsupported then?
[11:35] <ochosi> ali12341: yup
[11:35] <ali12341> i will take over maintaining it then
[11:35] <ochosi> nice
[11:36] <ochosi> as long as it's maintained, i don't mind shipping it by default
[11:36] <jhenke> afaik the themes are mostly a set of css files?
[11:36] <ali12341> what needs to be done with it?
[11:36] <ali12341> or: where are the bugs?
[11:37] <ochosi> jhenke: mostly. i patched up greybird to mostly work with gtk3.14, but a rewrite in SASS might happen at some point so to be able to keep in sync with gtk's changes more easily
[11:37] <ochosi> ali12341: i guess you'll have to look for them yourself (the bugs), you can use greybird's git log for orientation though. the themes are fairly similar, so porting greybird's patches to orion would be step 1
[11:37] <jhenke> are your changes visible in the git commits on the githuib projects?
[11:38] <ochosi> yeah
[11:38] <jhenke> okay was thinking whether it is feasable to port your greybird work to Albatross as well
[11:38] <ochosi> it is
[11:38] <ochosi> it's just a mattter of time
[11:39] <ochosi> ali12341: starting with this commit: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/6f8013cf293f2484b1896bfaaa0a052c02b1f83b
[11:39] <jhenke> maybe it would work if there were one person for every theme
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah
[11:39] <ochosi> if you wanna maintain a theme, that'd be welcome
[11:40] <ali12341> so where do i get gtk 3.14?
[11:40] <ali12341> vivid?
[11:40] <ochosi> yup
[11:40] <ochosi> or a PPA
[11:40] <ochosi> but vivid is probably more reliable
[11:40] <ochosi> as there might be ubuntu-specific patches
[11:40] <ali12341> is it working at the moment if i get the ISO?
[11:41] <ochosi> it should, i've been on vivid for a while
[11:42] <jhenke> ali12341 most safe way is if you can use a vm
[11:48] <ochosi> slaveworx: for qa you best talk to elfy
[11:49] <ochosi> he's not around right now, but he'll come back#
[11:51] <jhenke> ochosi let's say I consider adopting Albatross then once I get my new hardware, right now I cannot run xubuntu on any bare metal sadly :(
[11:52] <ochosi> sure, let's say that ;)
[11:52] <ochosi> you can adopt it anytime you want
[11:52] <ochosi> as long as it's before UIF
[11:53] <bluesabre> oh man, sure enough, no security tab in vivid
[11:53] <jhenke> one thing: I assume it is normal that the sound indicator does not have any icon right now? it is just a blank square
[11:53] <bluesabre> :\
[11:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: i'll take a look at that this weekend I suppose
[11:55] <bluesabre> judging by the warnings, I'd say something happened with patching the ui file
[11:56] <bluesabre> and since the security frame is missing, it looks like it tried to load it, but died
[11:57] <ochosi> jhenke: that's weird and a bug. elfy had the same problem, for some reason i don't
[11:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm :/
[11:58] <ochosi> yeah, seems like the patch in the UI file failed somewhere
[11:58] <ochosi> maybe just a few wrong glade tags?
[11:58] <bluesabre> dunno... I'll have to experiment with it
[12:02] <slaveworx> ochosi: thank you! I'l wait for him to come!
[12:03] <bluesabre> the patch seems to apply fine, so I'll have to keep an eye on the build process to get an idea
[12:03] <bluesabre> time to get ready for work, bbl
[12:05] <bluesabre> ah
[12:06] <bluesabre> I bet I need to update the header file, probably not touched outside of maintainer mode
[12:08] <jhenke> ochosi okay, is there a bug about it already?
[12:08] <ochosi> jhenke: a bug about what?
[12:09] <jhenke> sound-indicator/missing icon
[12:10] <ochosi> ah right
[12:10] <ochosi> maybe not
[12:10] <ochosi> i haven't seen that bug personally
[12:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: did you notice the sound indicator missing in your vivid daily?
[12:11] <ochosi> sry, the icon of the sound-indicator
[12:12] <jhenke> you can also see it in the screen shot I uploaded to bug 1408979
[12:12] <ochosi> it's actually hard to see there, but yes
[12:12] <ochosi> is this vivid daily?
[12:13] <jhenke> yes
[12:13] <ochosi> could you add the shimmer-daily PPA and see whether that helps? it also has the icons from git
[12:15] <bluesabre> seems to work in mine, might have some ppas set up though
[12:16] <bluesabre> ochosi: pretty sure I tracked down the issue, doing a test build now
[12:16] <jhenke> shimmer ppa is installed, but still empty square
[12:16] <bluesabre> for xfpm
[12:16] <ochosi> jhenke: have you restarted your session?
[12:16] <jhenke> yep
[12:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice! so outdated headers?
[12:17] <ochosi> jhenke: very strange... not sure what that is about
[12:17] <jhenke> me too, just asking to let you know about it in time
[12:17] <ochosi> would be nice if you could file a bugreport against xubuntu-artwork
[12:17] <ochosi> just so that i don't forget
[12:18] <ochosi> but i'm not sure where to start debugging this
[12:18] <ochosi> please check whether the icon is there with other themes
[12:19] <jhenke> I did not see that icon with any theme... :(
[12:19] <jhenke> but the sound indicator seems to be bugged itself too
[12:19] <jhenke> it sometimes crashes on start up/login
[12:20] <ochosi> mh
[12:20] <ochosi> i see
[12:20] <ochosi> its menu also doesn't work 100% here
[12:20] <ochosi> the volume scale is broken
[12:20] <ochosi> so it might not be entirely fixed with gtk3.14
[12:21] <ochosi> so skip that bugreport then, i don't think it's related to our icon theme
[12:21] <jhenke> okay good to know
[12:22] <ochosi> it's a known issue, just confirmed that in #u-desktop
[12:26] <bluesabre> verified
[12:26] <bluesabre> uploading now
[12:26] <ochosi> sweet
[12:26] <ochosi> thanks bluesabre 
[12:31] <bluesabre> uploaded
[12:31] <bluesabre> enjoy when that builds and is available :)
[12:31] <ochosi> nice, will do ;)
[12:32] <ochosi> and the next step will be patching xdg-utils for light-locker
[12:32] <ochosi> and disabling locking on suspend by default
[12:32] <ochosi> then i think we're done in that department
[12:33] <jhenke> ochosi when do you plan to upload the changes in the theme to the official package?
[12:33] <brainwash> ochosi, jhenke: sound indicator works perfectly here, no glitches whatsoever (up-to-date vidid)
[12:33] <jhenke> since shimmer-daily ppa seems to fix the other two ui problems
[12:34] <jhenke> brainwash thanks, strange, here it is broken, but it seems to be known and not xubuntu specific after what ochosi said
[12:38] <ali12341> http://i.imgur.com/NEJMKUv.png
[12:45] <brainwash> bluesabre: logind-handle-lid-switch is set to false (xubu default settings), but the logic has been inverted in xfpm 1.4
[12:45] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=03193df6cad651841e8d9960335b4a3bf13afdad
[12:46] <brainwash> shouldn't it be set to true now (utopic and up)?
[12:47] <brainwash> I've asked about this some time ago, maybe you've already given some explanation =S
[12:59] <ali12341> i just discovered something slightly interesting
[13:00] <ali12341> in ubiquity when you get the black background, if you press alt-f1 a message pops up saying "no running xfce4-panel instance found". close it, and the background turns blue
[13:00] <ali12341> that is, the wallpaper loads correctly
[13:01] <ali12341> looks like xfdesktop loaded
[13:02] <ali12341> the weird scrollbar in the slideshow is fixed too
[13:20] <brainwash> ali12341: and let me guess, the unnecessary maximize button is gone too?
[13:21] <ali12341> didn't notice
[13:21] <brainwash> Unit193 wrote a patch for the background issue, but I cannot find it
[13:23] <brainwash> ali12341: some ubiquity windows still have a maximize button despite the xfwm4 fix
[13:24] <brainwash> I think it's only the case when you run it inside ubiquity-dm
[13:27] <brainwash> I would like to understand why it's added to the window decoration. however, last time I tried to debug this, I was not able to launch ubiquity-dm on my installed system -> python errors
[13:43] <ali12341> ochosi: okay i've got 15.04 installed, i can't see any problems with orion except that the indicators have a button type outline
[13:44] <ali12341> oh wait gtk3
[13:45] <ali12341> yeah that's messed up, wtf have they done??
[13:46] <ochosi> the same as with (almost) every release ;)
[13:46] <ochosi> seriously, just trust me and follow the greybird git log
[13:46] <ochosi> that (and more) is needed
[13:47] <ali12341> this install of vivid i just did... the firefox homepage is in arabic
[13:53] <ali12341> bug 1409015
[14:42] <ali12341> ochosi: why does shimmer-themes orion work correctly with headerbar, but the one from git doesn't?
[14:43] <ali12341> oh wait, never mind
[14:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: works nicely now! (xfpm+ll)
[14:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: good work
[14:55] <ali12341> i see a bug
[15:00] <ali12341> http://i.imgur.com/fqpq4n6.png the "left" button has missing left border
[15:00] <ali12341> that's greybird git
[15:34] <elfy> ochosi: seems that sound indicator is segfaulting
[15:37] <elfy> perhaps an issue with the card - the older one was ok
[15:58] <ali12341> ochosi: so everywhere there is ".button:active" rule there should also be a ".button:checked" rule?
[19:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: Moved to https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+junk/xfpm-pkging
[20:56] <ochosi> ali12341: yeah, as ridiculous as it sounds, where there was active, there also has to be checked
[20:57] <ochosi> and the other one with the left border, if you see it for real in an app, i'll investigate
[20:57] <ochosi> the spinner currently also seems to be broken
[20:57] <ochosi> elfy: it's a known issue and not sound-card related afaik
[20:59] <elfy> ok - good - coincidence is good :)