[05:08] hi superfly nlsthzn bduk1 and others [05:08] en nuvolari ook [05:53] hi Tonberry [05:53] hello [05:59] mornign all *yawn* [05:59] lol [06:42] more almal [08:13] wbb === Zarw is now known as Wraz [09:25] hmm... [10:12] guten Morgen [10:28] ohi inetpro [10:28] sorry was cutting some grass [10:35] what you got sheep for? [10:36] eish they too min [10:36] when they were 30 all was good [10:36] now they 4 nothing good [10:37] then buy 1 goat [10:37] lol [10:37] will eat up everything [10:37] not healthy to keep goats and sheep together [10:38] even though they used to in the old days because the sheep follow the goat [10:38] yeah. goats will probably eat the sheep too [10:38] rofl no man [10:38] I hate goats [10:38] they clean gardens lekker [10:38] and small trees and shrubs [10:39] only leave the weeds behind [10:40] let them just get hungry, the weeds will disappear too [10:40] too much here for less than 30 animals in the summer [10:41] I have seen them climbing on cars to get to the trees [10:41] instant respray required [10:41] yeah they not skaam [10:42] ssd? [10:43] this is like a Wilbur Smith, what's gonna happen next? [10:44] lol it is running fine on old pc with 12.04.5 on it [10:44] ive just installed remastersys so i can make an up to date iso\ [10:44] then i want to bring the ssd here again [10:46] remember yesterday i said old pc bios sees ssd as j?. i dunno where it got that from. it now sees it as samsung 256GB ssd [10:46] so now ill come see what this pc thinks of the whole deal [10:48] well, if it reads it correctly sounds like progress [10:53] lets hope [12:05] hi captine [12:09] hi there [12:25] hmm... remastersys packages from 12.04 just installed to kde 14.04 [12:25] wanna see if it works [12:35] ok clever peeps it looks like it will run from cli but the gui gives errors when starting from terminal [12:35] http://slexy.org/view/s2kAHRv9aG [12:35] who is gonna tell me how to fix it [12:38] would love to help... but no idea what that package is... [12:38] :) [12:39] it makes a live dvd of your running system so you can install the working system on any pc [12:39] you have a choice of using the backup mode then the dvd boots and even wants you password to go on [12:40] but the founder guy stopped support or maintaining or something [12:40] haha spinza_ you got that same prob [12:44] can i just say that KVM is SOOOOO much faster than virtualbox [12:47] is it the same kinda thing though? [12:48] i found vb slow [13:10] seems to be [13:10] only running servers in it [13:10] not sure if it can do desktops [14:16] Kilos, ? [14:16] oh that um [14:16] <-- spinza (~spin@197.89.19.57) has left this server (Excess Flood). [14:17] freenode kicked ya === spinza_ is now known as spinza [14:17] oh ok [14:51] wbb [16:42] hi all [16:42] magespawn: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell magespawn python --help" 20 hours, 52 minutes and 19 seconds ago [16:42] magespawn: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell magespawn man python" 20 hours, 33 minutes and 40 seconds ago [17:03] Maaz tell superfly thanks [17:03] magespawn: Righto, I'll tell superfly on freenode [17:03] Maaz tell inetpro thanks [17:03] magespawn: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode [17:03] Maaz ty [17:03] You are welcome magespawn [17:16] :-P [17:16] hi Kilos [17:16] hi magespawn [17:17] did you read logs magespawn [17:20] no what happened? [17:21] i got remastersys from 12.04 working here but the gui gives errors [17:22] when we were at the meet for re-virification didnt someone talk about doing offline installations [17:24] yes but i cannot remember who [17:24] i think the fly said i was working on something like that [17:25] remastersys is the answer but now the owner gave it up so dunno what one does now to carry on using it inj later releases [17:26] or even if we can take it over [17:27] is the source code available? [17:27] i have no idea, lemme try mazal , he will know [17:28] elemenataryOS the default browser is somewhat unstable [17:29] i used opera developer on it [17:29] worked kiff [17:30] ya that one of theirs sucks, funny name thing [17:30] Midori [17:30] yaq [17:37] bduk se mazal moet sy pos antwoord [17:38] lol hy het [17:38] magespawn where does one get the source code from [17:39] Maaz google remastersys source code [17:39] Kilos: "Black Lab Linux: Remastersys / System Imager source code ..." http://www.os4online.com/2013/08/remastersys-system-imager-source-code.html :: "Remastersys / System Imager source code availability and license ..." http://system-imaging.blogspot.com/2013/08/remastersys-system-imager-source-code.html :: "What are the Alternatives For RemasterSys?! - Ask Ubuntu" [17:39] http://askubuntu.com/questions/190133/what-are-the-alternatives-for-remastersys :: "Rema… [17:55] magespawn this page discusses it and gives a link to the source [17:55] http://system-imaging.blogspot.com/2013/08/remastersys-system-imager-source-code.html [17:55] lets have a look [17:56] http://sourceforge.net/projects/os4online/files/ [17:56] how will one know what code is for what [17:57] well have to have a look, if we get stuck we can ask the elders [17:58] heehee [18:05] Kilos, just looked up what remastersys was. You building your own distro ?? [18:06] no i want to have something similar for peeps to use to make dvds to hand out in rural areas without internet [18:07] kubuntu is as close as i need to my one distro [18:08] nice [18:08] u wanting to include additional software on the DVD's? [18:08] from the base ubuntu? [18:09] remastersys makes a dvd with all the apps etc you have installed so no need to get them downloaded again [18:10] nice. i should do that [18:10] takes hours to download all the apps i use [18:10] yeah painful [18:10] why dont you save your archives then no need to download everytime [18:10] you know rsync? [18:11] i was thinking of creating a local mirror for myself. have 320 gig drive available, just looking into how to do it. [18:11] i dont know how to use rsync [18:11] its too easy [18:11] lemme give you my command [18:11] thnx [18:11] appreciate it [18:12] sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/16G/trusty/ [18:12] the media part is where you enter your path [18:13] also have you got synaptic installed [18:14] thanks [18:14] in synaptic you tick edit preferences then files and save all downloaded files in cache [18:14] saving that [18:14] like i have 7.8g of packages for 12.04 [18:14] hehe [18:15] then when you do a clean install you reverse that command and then update upgrade [18:15] no download time [18:15] nice [18:26] Kilos: i have had a look through those folders, and i cannot see anything that is obviously the source code for remastersys [18:26] eish [18:27] and the image creator peeps want $20 [18:27] thats a fork of remastersys [18:27] for the holsd they give you $30 off [18:28] let me have a look around i will see what i can find [18:29] cant you get the source out of a .deb package magespawn ? [18:33] 5 [18:33] down vote [18:33] accepted [18:33] Debian and RPM packages don't contain source code, only the compiled result. [18:33] ai! [18:34] looks like the .deb files hvae been taken down too [18:41] i have them magespawn [18:41] hi that [18:41] hi ThatGraemeGuy too [18:51] 'lo :) [18:55] ai! after battling to get username and password sorted on sourceforge i forget what i wanted there [19:00] . [19:00] inetpro: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell inetpro thanks" 1 hour, 56 minutes and 46 seconds ago [19:00] You are welcome magespawn [19:04] hi inetpro [19:04] ih, hello Kilos [19:04] lol [19:06] snake killed one ewe this avy [19:06] eish! [19:06] cant think of anything else that kills in about 4 hours since i moved them [19:06] sorry oom [19:07] ty . too much grass they go gallopping through to where they think grass in sweeter and tramp on dozing snake [19:07] you seriously need a few small lambs to start over again [19:08] yeah [19:08] im actually nursing a lamb that was supposed to vrek about 3 weeks ago [19:08] your son married yet? [19:09] first it just lay there, had to pipe water in and force leaves onto back of tongue [19:09] no he is a gigolo [19:09] haha [19:09] let him find a rich sheep farmers daughter [19:09] lol [19:10] he has too many girlfriends [19:10] ai! [19:10] bang to get serious with any one of them [19:10] anyway man [19:10] today for the first time the lamb picked up l;eaves from infront of it [19:11] no need to hand feed and its drinking [19:11] cool [19:11] but no power to stand up [19:11] if it eats by itself it should get there [19:12] i have to pick mulberry and marrog leaves and put then right in front of her [19:13] and i cut grass for it too [19:13] over 200 mulberry leaves in a day plus the other stuff [19:14] you're a good shepherd [19:14] lol [19:14] * inetpro didn't know they eat mulberry leaves [19:14] a tired one [19:14] they love them [19:15] also mulberry leaves have some healing properties for peeps too i think [19:15] http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/6-health-benefits-of-mulberries/ [19:22] inetpro do you know if you can reverse engineer source from a deb file? [19:22] can? [19:22] hmm... [19:23] I wouldn't [19:23] just get the source [19:23] sigh [19:23] the source is not available [19:23] if it's not open source, forget about it and don't use it [19:23] sigh [19:24] we are trying to get remastersys, but cannot seem to find source code [19:24] find something else that does the same thing [19:24] i has been closed down inetpro [19:25] or similar [19:25] ai! [19:25] or build something yourself [19:25] i note the owner says he will still sell the source magespawn $50 [19:26] used to be free [19:26] remastersys is not in the standard repositories, so don't use it [19:27] sigh [19:27] its the best tool for the job man [19:28] im sorry i didnt know to download the source as well with 12.04 [19:28] no need to reinvent the wheel if we don't need to [19:28] magespawn i can dropbox the packages for you [19:29] will work on elementaryos because thats 12.04 [19:31] he peer gets even the best of us at times [19:32] did you see inetpro i shared your rsync info [19:32] oh come on [19:33] not my rsync info [19:33] just man rsync [19:33] anyone can do that!? [19:35] no [19:35] you drummed it in till i remember it by heart [19:37] ai! [19:38] not a totally bad thing [19:38] be glad man you got something right with me [19:38] hehe [19:38] Maaz ubuntu releases [19:38] 4.10-Warty Warthog 5.04-Hoary Hedgehog 5.10-Breezy Badger 6.04-Dapper Drake 6.10-Edgy Eft 7.04-Feisty Fawn 7.10-Gutsy Gibbon 8.04-Hardy Heron 8.10-Intrepid Ibex 9.04-Jaunty Jackalope 9.10-Karmic Koala 10.04-Lucid Lynx 10.10-Maverick Meerkat 11.04-Natty Narwhal 11.10-Oneiric Ocelot 12.04-Precise Pangolin 12.10-Quantal Quetzel 13.04-Raring Ringtail 13.10-Saucy [19:38] Salamander [19:39] which one was wheezy [19:42] oh that was debian [19:55] Maaz ubuntu releases plus [19:55] Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS (Trusty Tahr), Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn), [19:57] Kilos: the steps here allow you to extract the .deb file, but that is not the same as reverse engeneering if http://www.g-loaded.eu/2008/01/28/how-to-extract-rpm-or-deb-packages/ [19:58] lemme see [20:00] shouldn't the source code still be available, i thougt that was part of the gpl? [20:01] only for the forked one it is [20:01] but he wants money [20:02] the owner no will sell the source if you mail him [20:02] but $50 heavy [20:02] half a ssd [20:03] is the source a .tar.gz file [20:04] magespawn: forget that, the .deb does not contain the source [20:05] magespawn why we want the source anyway? [20:05] just forget about remastersys [20:06] nee man dit werk baie lekker [20:07] what have you got to replace it with [20:07] well if this guy doesn't want to do it the FLOSS way then you will just have to pay him, but please don't mention it here [20:08] ai! inetpro it used to be free here but peeps gave him a hard time so he closed shop [20:08] I don't blame him for that [20:08] he was doing it for free and instead of thanks peeps gave him a hard time [20:08] building stuff the FLOSS way is tough [20:09] just ask the fly [20:12] but you really don't need your own custom iso each time, do you? [20:13] I certainly don't [20:13] no you can make one for redistribution as well [20:13] there is more than one way to skin a cat [20:14] aptoncd is also still available [20:14] im thinking about what was said at the meet for reverification about getting something for offline peeps [20:14] aptoncd didnt work on 14.04 remember [20:15] why not? [20:15] maybe that was just me and unity [20:16] i told you man' [20:16] i cant remember now [20:16] oh [20:16] wait [20:16] remember synaptic used to pick up aptoncds for upgrading [20:17] it didnt on the last release i tried it on [20:17] mainly i spose because synaptic isnt installed by default anymore [20:18] but why do even want a gui thingamajig? [20:18] what is wrong with the cli? [20:18] i will try the remastersys from cli here [20:18] mazal only does it from cli [20:19] no man... not remastersys [20:19] i like the gui , its simple straight forward and easy to use [20:19] what then [20:20] you talking about aptoncd [20:20] just copy the .deb archives [20:20] ?? [20:20] and then? [20:21] ai! Forget it.. [20:21] install each one individually [20:21] synaptic installed all the aptoncd stuff with one upgrade tick [20:21] thats why gui thingie [20:24] Kilos: what you need is a backup strategy, not a installation strategy [20:24] ai! [20:25] you listen but dont hear [20:25] its not for me [20:25] for who then? [20:25] go read the logs of the reverification meeting [20:25] no man [20:25] for peeps with no internet [20:26] or severly capped peeps [20:27] like golynx was [20:31] Kilos: the answer to that is to create or a complete Ubuntu mirror for yourself or to get it from someone else [20:32] s/create or a complete/create a complete/ [20:32] ai! [20:33] only problem is that it needs to be updated quite frequently, so in the end you really should have interwebs these days [20:33] that wont help other peeps in rural areas with no internet [20:35] why not? [20:35] if they have a complete mirror they can choose what they want to install [20:35] because you still cant ship them a dvd with an updated install on it [20:35] hence remnastersys [20:36] where are they going to get a complete mirror [20:36] ai! ek sukkel partykeer met my volk [20:36] strydom [20:37] there's plenty of free wifi everywhere if you really try hard enough [20:37] ai! [20:38] forget this now [20:38] hows your hoenders [20:41] why change the subject? [20:43] wb magespawn [20:43] ty tablet ran out of power [20:47] ai! you left me alone to be trampled on magespawn [20:47] and so late too [20:47] sorr [20:47] sorry [20:47] Kilos: seriously, for a rural setup without internet even remastersys is just half a solution [20:48] half a bottle of coke is better than an empty bottle [20:48] you need a full offline mirror for the proper thing, and it's not difficult [20:48] unless you want to crack a skull with it [20:49] its just prohibitive in data use inetpro [20:49] the mirror is about 40g [20:49] not so [20:50] what is 40GB anyway? [20:50] hahaha to me it morfe th=an a years data [20:50] more than [20:50] sjoe [20:51] 64GB flash drives are easy to get these days [20:52] how many have you got? [20:53] I don't need one... have a 1TB usb drive [20:53] hahaha strydom [20:53] wb magespawn what you doing [20:54] Kilos: I'm trying to figure why you are making this your problem [20:54] because at the meet the fly said i was working on something to do with it [20:55] just bad signal i think [20:55] ok [20:55] if i can do that then i achive something [20:55] achieve [20:55] hmm... [20:56] ok, let's go to that... what was it called? [20:56] huh? [20:56] would be a good thing to take to mettings and community activities [20:57] magespawn what is he talking about now [20:58] our meeting was on the 16th of Dec? [20:59] so that must be http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/12/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt ? [20:59] [20:29] superfly: Cases like the lack of connectivity in South Africa is why I pushed to get apt-offline seeded on the Xubuntu discs to avoid chicken and the egg problems using it. It is the only flavor that has it on the disc but it helps bridging those gaps. [21:00] [20:30] alpacaherder: yeah, Kilos has actually done some work toward something like that. [21:00] ya that [21:00] what was that [21:00] apt-offline [21:01] what does it do? [21:01] i forget [21:02] Maaz google apt0offline [21:02] Kilos: Wow! Google couldn't find anything [21:02] hehe [21:02] Maaz google apt-offline [21:02] Kilos: "Offline Package Management for APT - Debian Administration" https://www.debian-administration.org/article/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT :: "APT-Offline - Debian" http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org/ :: "Debian -- Details of package apt-offline in wheezy" https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/apt-offline :: "Debian -- Package Search Results -- apt- [21:02] offline" https://packages.debian.org/apt-offline :: "Chapter 9. Offline Package Management - Xub… [21:04] looks complicated [21:05] oh i remeber looking at that [21:05] i think i found apt-rdepends around that time too [21:08] good night all of ya. too late to do all this thinking [21:08] yo octoquad [21:08] hey Kilos [21:08] wb magespawn [21:08] Kilos: I would still rather go with the full mirror rather than apt-offline [21:08] ty signal all over the place tonight [21:08] but having said that, we need to look at it again [21:09] inetpro you cant post your full mirror to someone in the sticks [21:09] like ceres [21:09] you can [21:09] and the cost [21:10] when it doesnt come back [21:10] I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying you can [21:10] ah [21:11] still think a remastersys dvd is the easiest cost efeective way [21:11] the scenario that I am looking at is not to solve one individual's problems but to do it for many [21:12] in other words, ship it to one guy and he installs on many machines [21:12] ya thats fine if they are in bunches [21:12] i see what you are saying [21:12] or he even distributes to many [21:13] also with a full mirror the people are not locked to your choice of software [21:13] exactly [21:14] well full mirror is beyond me [21:14] only challenge is to keep it somewhat up to date [21:14] good night guys. sleep tight [21:15] well once the intial download is done that should not be too much hassel [21:15] good night Kilos [21:17] always half way through a conversation [21:17] :-) [21:18] give him a break... I gave him a hard time now [21:19] but hopefully we can work something out [21:19] i think that is part of what keeps him coming back [21:19] no special treatment [21:19] no but it is late after all [21:20]