[00:00] <elfy> KomiaPoika: if you've the patience - try installing linux, xp, then reinstall grub
[00:00] <elfy> but frankly - why bother with a win version that is now eol
[00:01] <elfy> dealing with windows is not really ontopic for here - an dealing with an eol version of it even less so
[00:01] <KomiaPoika> elfy: i tried that several times, it failed
[00:02] <KomiaPoika> i need it to play a game that won't work otherwise
[00:02] <elfy> mmm
[00:02] <KomiaPoika> i'll just get another old pc for that
[00:03] <elfy> perhaps you're efforts would be better spent trying to get support for the game in a supported win version then
[00:11] <KomiaPoika> it's an old game no longer even supported by the serial number website
[00:13] <elfy> KomiaPoika: well - not sure what to say then ;)
[00:13] <elfy> you appear to have very specific boot requirements because of some win bug - with a win version that's long gone
[00:14] <elfy> perhaps finding a m/c with xp is your best bet - depends how you value your time I guess
[01:23] <SahibDerp> Welcome back. sahib.
[01:28] <SahibDerp> Hello
[01:28] <SahibDerp> Anyone there?
[01:28] <SahibDerp> Because I have a problem with LXDE that renders my system unusable, so...
[01:29] <elfy> mmm
[01:30] <elfy> try #lubuntu for lxde
[08:15] <xubuntu855> Hi
[08:25] <T3RM1NU5> Hey, I have this intermittent issue where an old image of my screen reappears hours after it looked like that.  It almost ghost like clicking causes it to disappear in parts.
[08:30] <KomiaPoika> is it safe to install enemy territory from http://www.playdeb.net/app/Enemy%20Territory ?
[08:31] <KomiaPoika> is playdeb legit?
[08:32] <acerimmer> KomiaPoika, read the sites remarks ... they DO NOT adhere to ubuntu quality or care standards.  use at your own risk and ... you break it, you fix it.  NOT supported on irc or forums so far as I know.
[08:35] <KomiaPoika> how do i install ia32-libs in 14.04.1?
[08:36] <KomiaPoika> it says the following packages replace it:  lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0
[08:36] <KomiaPoika> should i install those?
[08:37] <KomiaPoika> guess so
[12:26] <Meerkat> where do I go for help with debugging Thunar?
[12:38] <deshipu> Meerkat: perhaps #xfce
[12:38] <bazhang> perhaps try the xfce channel
[12:38] <bazhang> heh
[12:39] <brainwash> Meerkat: what do you want to debug? a crash? look at https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/debug
[12:39] <Meerkat> A freeze when moving back to parent directory.
[12:40] <brainwash> then you should use strace
[12:40] <brainwash> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strace
[12:41] <brainwash> and you will have to read the actual source code of thunar
[12:43] <brainwash> did you already create a bug report?
[12:45] <Fohlen> brainwash: he will not be in charge of reading the source code just to supply a simple bug report
[12:45] <Fohlen> that's what a bug tracker is made for o.o
[12:51] <brainwash> Fohlen: so? I did not say that reading the source code is needed to file a bug report
[12:51] <Fohlen> (13:41:30) brainwash: and you will have to read the actual source code of thunar
[12:52] <brainwash> if he wants to debug the problem
[12:54] <Fohlen> brainwash: using strace -> get a precise error message -> file the bug report
[12:54] <Fohlen> I don't see the point in reading through all the source code, but nvm :)
[12:55] <Meerkat> strace gave me a lot of garbage (IMO) for every pixel I moved my mouse. Any way to disable that? man page said nothing about limiting data output.
[12:57] <brainwash> Fohlen: the point is to the fix the issue, thunar is not really maintained at the moment
[12:57] <Fohlen> Meerkat: use less and grep.
[12:58] <brainwash> Fohlen: right, reading the code is not necessary, but someone has to do it (sadly)
[12:58] <Fohlen> brainwash: I didn't knew thunar is unmaintained.
[12:58] <Fohlen> that changes the situation a bit
[13:00] <Meerkat> Not maintained is unfortunate. I like thunar a lot. It has many neat features.
[13:01] <brainwash> Meerkat: you could activate time stamps and use them to locate the freeze
[13:01] <Meerkat> like bulk rename :)
[13:01] <knome> that doesn't mean it would stop working, though
[13:02] <Meerkat> brainwash, timestamps is a good idea. thanks!
[13:03] <deshipu> brainwash: thunar is obsoleted? I didn't know
[13:03] <deshipu> brainwash: what's the replacement?
[13:03] <deshipu> brainwash: or did xfce just drop it and has no file manager?
[13:03]  * knome facepalms
[13:03] <knome> no, thunar is not obsoleted
[13:04] <knome> it's just not maintained as in actively developed right now
[13:04] <knome> nor are bug fixes really done, unless it's something critical
[13:04] <deshipu> but it's still part of the xfce project and they do maintenance on it, as in bug fixing, packaging, translations, releases, etc?
[13:05] <knome> hardly
[13:05] <knome> but until late, none of the components hardly got those
[13:05] <brainwash> heh :D thunar still receives some fixes here and there, but there is no active development going on
[13:06] <deshipu> well, if it's not maintained, it should be dropped from the xfce project, no?
[13:06] <deshipu> how can you tell people to use unmaintained software?
[13:06] <deshipu> brainwash: well, I wouldn't call that "unmaintained", I call that "complete"
[13:06] <knome> deshipu, please, this is not the right channel to discuss that
[13:07] <deshipu> knome: ok, can you point me to the xubuntu support channel then, so I can ask there?
[13:07] <knome> deshipu, you should know better when to stop, please.
[13:25] <Meerkat> is there any specifics I should look for in the strace? There is about 900 rows in the 2 seconds I narrowed it down to.
[13:38] <Meerkat> Does this mean that the issue is in gtk/libgtk? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9704988/
[14:12] <knome> Meerkat, you'd be better in #xfce-dev if you actually are looking to fix the problem
[14:13] <Meerkat> knome, all right. Thanks!
[18:45] <SuperPrower>  clear
[18:45] <SuperPrower> sorry, wasn't supposed to write here
[19:36] <KomiaPoika> do i still need to care about agplock=0 with a radeon graphics card?
[19:48] <KomiaPoika> linux keeps crashing when i play a 3D game :(
[19:49] <holstein> KomiaPoika: are you using xubuntu 14.04? are you using the proprietary driver?
[19:50] <KomiaPoika> holstein: yes 14.04 and with the proprietary driver it's all screwed up and nothing starts so i reverted to open source
[19:50] <holstein> KomiaPoika: for me, on my amd GPU's, i just found i had to accept serious compromise
[19:50] <holstein> KomiaPoika: i would try the proprietary driver, and try using it
[19:52] <holstein> use it with some other code.. see that "glxgears" works.. etc
[19:52] <holstein> try isolating the game you are using from the proprietary driver support..
[19:55] <KomiaPoika> glx gears wouldn't even startup
[19:55] <KomiaPoika> and i had 800*600 screen and laggy 2D
[19:55] <KomiaPoika> so i reverted from that shit
[19:56] <holstein> !language
[19:57] <holstein> KomiaPoika: cool.. please try installing the proprietary driver again, and run glxgears, and we can talk about the error messages
[20:23] <KomiaPoika> holstein: using apt-get install fglrx?
[20:44] <KomiaPoika> holstein: it's a very old card so considering the ati drivers are for recent cards a page told me i was better off with open source drivers
[20:49] <brainwash> KomiaPoika: which card exactly? if you ask a gpu related question, then you should provide details like this one
[20:58] <KomiaPoika> brainwash: ati radeon 9700
[20:58] <brainwash> that's an ancient beast
[20:59] <brainwash> you can try and ask in #radeon
[21:01] <brainwash> did you have the same problems before installing the proprietary driver?
[21:05] <drc> KomiaPoika: Jumping in here late (so I have no idea what's gone on earlier), but have you checked out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD ?
[21:07] <drc> According to the first URL, the 9700 should be fully supported (i.e., it should work)..
[21:08] <drc> Both URL's last update was last summer, so it should be fairly up to date.
[21:30] <KomiaPoika> drc: actually i fixed the problem and it was game-related and open source drivers are fine
[21:31] <KomiaPoika> thanks
[21:36] <drc> Ah...Games...there's a reason I only play Interactive Fiction games (read: Zork, etc) :)
[21:53] <pugsofwrath> hello?
[21:54] <pugsofwrath> Can someone help me find the ISO file for Xubuntu?
[21:55] <drc> You want 14.04 LTS or 14.10?
[21:56] <pugsofwrath> LTS
[21:56] <drc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[21:57] <pugsofwrath> Thanks
[22:15] <gijeo3k> Hey guys, I have a old HP DV9000 using a Nvidia Geforce Go 7600.
[22:17] <gijeo3k> Do you think i would get better performance using the old  nividia 173.14.39 drivers VS. any of the 304 drivers?
[22:18] <drc> gijeo3k: Have you checked the nvidia site to see what they recommend?
[22:19] <gijeo3k> No, haven't thought about that
[22:20] <gijeo3k> going to support and see what they list for drivers?
[22:22] <drc> gijeo3k: Googles for "Geforce Go 7600 driver" and this is what poppd up:  http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/8971
[22:24] <knome> drc, umm... windows drivers are totally different from linux drivers
[22:24] <drc> It's for windows, but it shows you what/how to search
[22:25] <knome> in what way?
[22:25] <drc> OK, I'm wrong.
[22:25] <drc> I'm out.
[22:25] <knome> gijeo3k, i'd try both; or, if the driver you are using now works, keep using that
[22:36] <gijeo3k> gotcha, just wondering if I would get better performance(low cpu usage, low mem, better game performence)
[22:36] <knome> you'll be the best judge of what works best for your use case the best :)
[22:38] <knome> ummm -"the best" :P
[23:00] <octetcloud> is it a bad idea to upgrade from ubuntu to xubuntu just by install xubuntu-desktop?
[23:01] <knome> octetcloud, that'll leave you some ubuntu desktop packages, but nothing wrong with that as is
[23:01] <octetcloud> because my wifi is broken... it never prompts me for passwords, I suspect this to have to do with a permission problem between the NetworkManager widget, and whatever it is supposed to talk to to ask for a wifi password
[23:02] <knome> how did you figure out changing the desktop environment would fix it?
[23:03] <octetcloud> ah, sorry. I installed xubuntu 1.5 years ago. Sometime 3-6 months ago I lost the wifi password prompting
[23:03] <octetcloud> I didn't notice for a long time, because I always use the same networks, and don't take my laptop on new networks very often, so I didn't realize its broken
[23:04] <octetcloud> but now I have a new ISP, and I can't switch... because I have no way to enter the wifi password for the new network.
[23:05] <octetcloud> Its just that given the frequency reported integration problems with NetworkManager, particularly permissions related, I thought that I might be running some kind of hybrid broken system
[23:05] <knome> nope, that shouldn't cause anything like this
[23:07] <octetcloud> ok, well, that's good to know, so I won't bother reinstall from scratch. but my wii is still useless. :-( I'm downloading kubuntu ATM... googling has found most people have the opposite problem, prompted every time (presumably because the widget lacks the root permissions to write the password)
[23:07] <octetcloud> I'm having trouble finding reports of no password prompt at all
[23:09] <Unit193> octetcloud: I presume you haven't changed /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf?  You could try clearing out /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/* or even running nm-applet from the commandline to see what output it might give you.
[23:11] <octetcloud> Unit193: made no changes. I am leary of clearing... all my saved passwords are there, but I can try to backup and restore
[23:11] <octetcloud> Unit193: just tried running nm-applet from command line, good idea. says it cant connect to the dbus socket... hm.
[23:12] <octetcloud> I'm going to logout and retry, looks like dbus might be broken.
[23:12] <Unit193> octetcloud: Make sure it's the only one running, and that  sudo service network-manager status  gives you good stuff back.
[23:12] <Unit193> Yeah, NetworkManager does not handle dbus restarting, it'll just crash.
[23:16] <octetcloud> Unit193: interesting, logged out, logged back in. same problem: DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS points to a non-existent dbus socket
[23:17] <octetcloud> Unit193: so nm-applet won't start. I can just do full system restart... any other suggestions? this might be the underlying problem
[23:17] <octetcloud> I see no /tmp/dbus-* sockets at all. seems bad.
[23:18] <Unit193> octetcloud: Could switch to a TTY, stop network-manager and lightdm, restart dbus, then start the other two back up or you could just reboot yes.  Rebooting may be the easier option.
[23:18] <octetcloud> yea, reboot :-) its a desktop, no harm. back in a minute
[23:25] <octetcloud> Unit193: ok, shutdown, restarted, still no dbus sockets in /tmp. checking logs to find some hint. any suggestions on what could be broken?
[23:33] <brainwash> octetcloud: try "dbus-launch nm-applet"
[23:35] <Unit193> Well that sounds fun...
[23:40] <octetcloud> brainwash: didn't work. claims conn refused on /tmp/dbus-9ldjKr2ydD, same addr as when I just call nm-applet. I'm a bit mystified why its using that socket. ps shows dbus-daemon listening on --address=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-cKcprElu5B, and when I run dbus-monitor, that cKcpr address is what it connects to
[23:49] <xubuntu78w> can't read windows audio cd, opens in windows 7 but not in ubuntu
[23:51] <deshipu> what is "windows audio cd"?
[23:54] <xubuntu78w> it is a cd containing wma files made probably in windows (files are coming from spanish course)
[23:56] <deshipu> xubuntu78w: ah, so it's not an audio cd, but a cd with files
[23:56] <deshipu> !formats | xubuntu78w
[23:56] <deshipu> hmm
[23:56] <deshipu> !mp3 | xubuntu78w
[23:56] <xubuntu78w> I guess that is correct
[23:57] <deshipu> xubuntu78w: see the first link there for installing codecs and such