[08:49] <Dresk> Brand new to Lubuntu, trying to use Synaptic to change my driver to proprietary NVIDIA, but the thing just sits there, progress bar doesn't move, don't see any HTTP traffic, not sure what's going on
[11:35] <fima_noutbaka> good day. can i get some help regarding Lubuntu 13.10?
[18:13] <Dresk> So, I'm thinking I made the right choice of Lubuntu as my buntu variant, but I can't configure lxpanel or Desktop Page, both of them keep crashing immediately when trying to open their respective GUI configure tools
[18:13] <Dresk> This is pretty much fresh out of the box with the latest updates
[18:14] <wxl> Dresk: which version?
[18:16] <Dresk> 14.10, latest version, latest updates
[18:19] <wxl> Dresk: and what are you trying to do to configure lxpanel?
[18:20] <Dresk> Well to start shrink the size of my 4 desktop previews in Desktop Pager, remove the Power Manager button (it doesn't even have an icon, it's just a blank space, but I don't want it there)
[18:21] <wxl> not what are you trying to accomplish, but how did you do it?
[18:21] <zy3pD> Dresk, maybe 14.04 is more stable
[18:22] <wxl> zy3pD: no such problem appeared in testing 14.10, so i wouldn't say that's necessarily true.
[18:22] <Dresk> zy3pD: I switched from 9 years of Mandriva / Mandrake to come to an OS that's always up to date and still has lots of GUIs; I was hoping to always stay in the latest builds
[18:22] <Dresk> wxl: I'm doing it simply by right-clicking the Desktop Pager and clicking "Desktop Pager" settings
[18:23] <Dresk> wxl: I don't know of a command-line method for launching that GUI
[18:25] <wxl> Dresk: for lxpanel, see if `lxpanelctl config` works better
[18:26] <Dresk> wxl: Okay, launched, under the Panel Applets tab, clicking Desktop Pager and then Edit..
[18:26] <Dresk> Exploded
[18:26] <Dresk> Clicking Power Manager Plugin and clicking Remove...
[18:26] <zy3pD> Dresk, you can change the panel manually configuring this file: ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[18:26] <Dresk> That crashed lxpanelctl
[18:26] <wxl> with what error?
[18:27] <Dresk> zy3pD: I will use that as a fallback, but I really wanted Lubuntu to be very GUI-based like Mandriva
[18:27] <Dresk> No error, nothing in the console, it launches in the background automagically
[18:27] <wxl> curious
[18:28] <wxl> do you have an lxpanel folder in ~/.cache?
[18:28] <Dresk> I do not sir
[18:29] <wxl> see if there's any errors in ~/.cache/openbox/openbox.log or ~/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log
[18:31] <Dresk> ** (obconf:3222): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
[18:31] <Dresk> ** Message: app.vala:130: lxpanel exit with this type of exit: 139
[18:31] <Dresk> ** Message: app.vala:148: Exit not normal, try to reload
[18:31] <Dresk> ** Message: app.vala:76: Launching lxpanel
[18:31] <Dresk> That's in lxsession's Run.log ...
[18:31] <Dresk> Checking Openbox...
[18:31] <wxl> try watching that log file while you did what you did and make sure that the error comes up again
[18:31] <wxl> i hate that those logs don't have times in them
[18:33] <Dresk> ** (obconf:3417): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
[18:33] <Dresk> That kicks off when I right-click the pager and click Desktop Pager Settings
[18:35] <Dresk> Nothing is in Openbox.log of any merit
[18:47] <Dresk> wxl: Any ideas?  Kind of a deal breaker for me, I've only been running Lubuntu for about 7 hours and I got lots of guys saying OpenSuSe might be what I really want
[18:48] <zy3pD> Dresk, have you ever tried to run the session as root?
[18:48] <Dresk> As I said, I switched to Mandriva which had a beautiful singular control center to configure everything; in Lubuntu I ponder how to get back to some of the GUIs during initial setup (such as if I need to login at startup, or to configure my init / whatever services, starting / stopping them, job-admin does NOT work)
[18:49] <Dresk> zy3pD: Isn't it a cardinal sin to run X as root?
[18:49] <zy3pD> yeah so i ask ^^
[18:50] <Dresk> I don't think I'm going to do that, hehe, thanks for the suggestion though
[18:50] <zy3pD> Dresk, have you tried to install lubuntu again? or rebooted it?
[18:50] <Dresk> zy3pD: I pretty much just installed it a few hours ago and did an update to it, and have rebooted many times
[18:50] <Dresk> zy3pD: Fresh off right after installing and updating I couldn't configure desktop pager
[18:51] <zy3pD> Dresk, 14.10 is *the version with the new features* maybe you try the stable 14.04
[18:52] <Dresk> Isn't 14.10 a "stable" release though?
[18:53] <zy3pD> yeah its also "stable" but the .04 versions are though for to use them for a long time (some have lts) and the .10 version shows which features will be new in the next .04 version ;)
[18:54] <wxl> sorry i've returned
[18:57] <Dresk> No problem, I thank you for your help so far
[18:57] <wxl> yeah well i'm concerned it may be a dbus issue
[18:58] <wxl> unfortunately some of those warnings are no big deal and some of them are not
[18:59] <Dresk> A trite concerning it's happening "out of the box" so to speak, to the Window Manager specific for the distro
[18:59] <wxl> what's unfortunate is that i only have 1404
[18:59] <Dresk> Is that a recommendation?
[18:59] <wxl> no
[19:00] <wxl> especially given your desires
[19:01] <wxl> why is it an accessibility isue? so weird
[19:01] <wxl> i suspect that's a red herring
[19:01] <wxl> at the same time i feel like i've heard of this before
[19:02] <Dresk> Different topic quick question - lots of apps are using Qt, I think, and I used to have something that let me use my Gtk themes in Qt, and I'm not sure what that was or how I did it, but I believe it would make apps like Volume Control and Synaptic look nice on Lubuntu
[19:02] <Dresk> wxl: Well I'm game to be a guinea pig for any kind of fixing
[19:02] <wxl> i hear you
[19:03] <wxl> there is one solution that i can think of but it won't provide an immediate answer
[19:04] <wxl> from what i can tell it looks like the accessibility bus error is just an annoying warning
[19:04] <wxl> i suspect that's not the issue
[19:06] <wxl> Dresk: indeed zy3pD's suggestion of manually configuring through the config file might be a good idea to get you something right now
[19:07] <wxl> you could also try turning logging on. kill lxpanel and restart it with --log 4
[19:08] <wxl> you MAY need to specify the profile with -p Lubuntu if you get a weird looking panel for some reason
[19:08] <Dresk> Does lxpanel have a safe way of killing?  Any signal in particular?
[19:08] <Dresk> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[19:08] <wxl> i don't think there's an unsafe way to kill it honestly :)
[19:08] <Dresk> Yeah that's what I have right now
[19:09] <wxl> yeah the problem is apparently logging isn't on
[19:09] <wxl> could i ask you to make a bug report for this?
[19:10] <wxl> i'd like to see some other 14.10 folks confirm this
[19:10] <Dresk> Sure, no idea where Lubuntu has that
[19:10] <wxl> i'd do it myself in a vm but i've got a pritty throttled public wifi connection right now
[19:10] <wxl> !bugs | Dresk
[19:10] <wxl> there's the answer :)
[19:10] <wxl> please subscribe "Lubuntu Packages Team"
[19:10] <Dresk> Let me see if I can get some more logging info for the report
[19:11] <wxl> ubuntu-bug will pull most of the relevant stuff but i'm not sure it's smart enough to automatically grab the logs, so make sure to add that
[19:11] <wxl> assumedly turning logging on will result in a new folder in ~/.cache
[19:12] <wxl> i'm on the team and it will remind me to check on it later
[19:12] <Dresk> Actually, it didn't, still just lxsession and nothing new in it
[19:12] <wxl> bizarre.
[19:12] <wxl> anything in /var/log?
[19:13] <Dresk> No log files for LXDE
[19:14] <Dresk> [ 2125.258132] lxpanel[3234]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe45db82200 sp 00007fff53be4e10 error 4 in lxde_power_manager.so[7fe45db7a000+f000]
[19:14] <wxl> ahhhh
[19:14] <wxl> useful
[19:14] <Dresk> Heh, it ends in f000
[19:14] <wxl> interesting that it's with power manager
[19:14] <Dresk> Well that's when I tried to remove Power Manager
[19:15] <Dresk> [ 4383.671768] lxpanel[3944]: segfault at 0 ip           (null) sp 00007ffff2aa7478 error 14 in lxpanel[400000+30000]
[19:15] <Dresk> That's all I got for Desktop Pager it seems
[19:15] <wxl> you removed the power manager first?
[19:15] <Dresk> I tried to do that first, yes
[19:16] <Dresk> At this point I've tried both things many times
[19:16] <wxl> yeah try manually editing the config file
[19:16] <wxl> i bet there's a null reference of some kind in there
[19:16] <wxl> brb
[19:16] <Dresk> Where's that config again?
[19:25] <Dresk> Oh wow lxpanel just segfaulted after successfully removing the Application Launch Bar at the far right (basically the logout button).  I successfully removed it, and then I simply right-clicked blank space in the Task Manager applet and it segfaulted
[19:27] <Dresk> And crashed again after restarting, just right-clicking the Task Manager area
[19:28] <Dresk> [ 5179.653523] lxpanel[3984]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe105b3a200 sp 00007fffa4ea0f10 error 4 in lxde_power_manager.so[7fe105b32000+f000]
[19:28] <Dresk> It's DEFINITELY power manager
[19:28] <Dresk> And I think it's because the power manager is trying to read the power of my damn wireless mouse which runs on normal AA batteries and in Windows doesn't even have a tool for reporting battery status
[19:29] <wxl> ok back
[19:29] <Dresk> I think you can file many of my issues under my mouse
[19:29] <Dresk> Gonna unplug it for a moment and see what happens
[19:29] <wxl> config is at ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[19:30] <Dresk> Okay
[19:30] <Dresk> On a wired mouse now
[19:30] <Dresk> Launching lxpanel
[19:31] <wxl> i think there's a default at /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[19:31] <Dresk> Gosh dangit, still crashed
[19:32] <wxl> cp the one in your home folder somewhere and replace it with the default one
[19:32] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart will reload
[19:32] <Dresk> Alright, one sec
[19:33] <Dresk> Okay, back to a stock panel
[19:34] <Dresk> Desktop Pager settings still blows up
[19:34] <wxl> bizarre
[19:34] <wxl> well,
[19:34] <wxl> i wonder if you have the same problem with the live cd
[19:50] <Dresk> All problems still on deck here wxl
[19:51] <wxl> Dresk: with the live cd?
[19:51] <Dresk> wxl: Oh, no, just with my current install
[19:51] <Dresk> wxl: Replaced with default config, changed mouse
[19:51] <Dresk> Gonna remove power manually
[19:54] <Dresk> Well at least power is gone, but I still can't launch the Desktop Pager configuration GUI
[19:56] <Dresk> wxl: Do you have a recommendation for a compositor thats sits well with Lubuntu?  Not having vsync is horrid; I figured compton would make the most sense, but I like suggestions
[19:56] <ianorlin> Dresk launch obconf from the menu and go to desktops
[19:56] <ianorlin> that will take you to same place
[19:58] <Dresk> ianorlin: Giving that a shot
[19:58] <Dresk> ianorlin: This doesn't have ALL the options that configuring Desktop Pager has though
[19:59] <Dresk> ianorlin: For example, the width of each desktop displayed, the tiling format, etc
[19:59] <ianorlin> Dresk that is what that took you to before
[19:59] <ianorlin> The width of each desktop is choosen by your screen aspect ratio and stuff automatically
[20:00] <Dresk> Huh, I swore I recall being able to configure that
[20:13] <Dresk> wxl: Is there a GUI app for setting your Gtk3 theme?  I'm used to gtk-chtheme for Gtk2, and it makes all running Gtk2 apps reload the theme without needing to relaunch, but I don't know of a Gtk3 variant (trying to make Synaptic look nice)
[21:48] <ianorlin> Is expert mode in lubuntu software center just there to show cli only apps
[21:53] <drkokandy> I think normal mode also hides some of the not-application packages
[21:55] <ianorlin> yes that too
[23:07] <Metapod1> hi, how/where do I report a package that got updated? (warzone2100 got an update recently)
[23:10] <ianorlin> Metapod1: report a package for what?
[23:11] <Metapod1> well, it would be an update request.
[23:12] <Metapod1> but i got an answer: (20:10:01) k1l: Metapod1: in general package only get bug and security upgrade. new program versions just come with the new ubuntu releases
[23:41] <Dresk> So how does one configure if they need to login at startup?  I configured that I did, but I no longer wish it, and I find no GUI option for thus.  In tandem, I shall Google!
[23:41] <Dresk> Also, what power manager does Lubuntu recommend?  The Xfce one or Light Locker?
[23:48] <drkokandy> the default installation should include both. I usually configure my settings in Xfce