/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/01/11/#ubuntu-gnome.txt

LinDolhi all02:16
darkxsthi amjjawad04:16
amjjawadHello darkxst :) how are you? finally I'm on IRC :)04:16
darkxstgood, weather has been crap though improving today04:16
KeithIMyers_Ali did not want me to say anything but Happy Birthday04:17
amjjawadraining 2 days here and a tree fell but thank God, it was small and no one got hurt04:17
amjjawadHappy Good Morning Birthday KeithIMyers_ :P04:17
amjjawadeliasps, is here too, YAY :D04:17
eliaspsHi people04:17
amjjawadoctoquad, is here?04:18
KeithIMyers_Its not my Birthday04:18
amjjawadso what? happy birthday in advance :P04:18
eliaspsHey Ali, it's been a long time!04:18
eliaspsHow are you guys?04:18
amjjawadindeed, very very long time for me04:18
amjjawadI've been in a limbo04:18
amjjawadstuck forever with my CV :'(04:18
eliaspsAre you on a job hunt?04:19
amjjawadfor the last many years, yes!04:19
amjjawadbut since I'm here here in AUS, let's say few months ..04:19
amjjawadI'm new here*04:19
eliaspsGood luck with that m8. I took a seminar once about filling in CVs, it depends on the field you are looking for, to keep it short, detailed and stuff.04:20
eliaspsI think I have some notes somewhere. I'll mail them to you if I find them.04:20
amjjawadI have read a lot04:20
amjjawadI think I'm close to have a KISS CV04:20
KeithIMyers_I have been spending the past few weeks moving, I got my desk set back up but have been working on Wire Management04:21
KeithIMyers_https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AMQe_-7oDe4/VKRy04EKz6I/AAAAAAAAknY/zguZLVbMr3g/w969-h727-no/IMG_20141231_170235.jpg04:21
amjjawadthe challenge is how to get someone so lazy who has only 2 seconds to read a CV to read yours04:21
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, Ubuntu GNOME on two screens .. nice :D04:21
eliaspsIndeed a challenge.04:21
amjjawadSince some of the gangs here, let's do a super quick meeting ;)04:22
eliaspsKeithIMyers_ awesome04:22
KeithIMyers_Actually 3 screens when I need04:22
amjjawadwithout Meeting bot ... just few lines quickly04:22
KeithIMyers_The 32 incher is on a swivel that allows me to aim it anywhere04:22
amjjawaddarkxst, eliasps and myself are waiting for your vote regarding his application for HR driver04:22
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, I want that too :D04:22
darkxstamjjawad, +104:23
amjjawadwaiting for darkxst to reply me, I will talk to KeithIMyers_ meanwhile04:23
amjjawadwow, that was fast hehe04:23
amjjawadeliasps, you got +404:23
amjjawadcongratulations :D04:23
eliaspsThanks guys. :)04:23
amjjawadthanks goes for you!04:24
KeithIMyers_Full Disclosure, my ISP is acting up right now so if I take a while to respond, it is not because I dont like you04:24
amjjawadI must thank you for my entire life :D04:24
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, haha, no worries04:24
eliaspsI just got back to my daily usual routine. So, I expect to be active once again on UG. I was away for the last couple of weeks.04:24
amjjawadeliasps, I will prepare the needed paperwork stuff and then, we could start the real fun on Monday ;)04:24
amjjawadeliasps, I was away as well ...04:24
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, I wanted to chat with you about: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports04:25
KeithIMyers_Ok04:25
amjjawadfew quick important points: if anyone within UG creates ANY page, that page must be added to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap04:25
amjjawadthat was #1 note04:25
amjjawad#2 is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports the new one that you created04:26
KeithIMyers_Ok, I can do that04:26
amjjawadWait please04:26
KeithIMyers_Ok, will not do anything until we are finished04:26
amjjawadIt is my fault that I didn't reply you before you created it but that is not a problem at all04:26
amjjawadthe thing is, that page was extra and not needed04:27
KeithIMyers_In fact, as it is 11:30, I will likely not do anything until I wake up04:27
KeithIMyers_Which extra page04:27
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/April201404:27
amjjawadI was doing it like that04:27
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam + / + MonthYear04:27
amjjawadexample: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/April201404:28
KeithIMyers_Ok, I can adopt that format04:28
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports04:29
amjjawadI find it (I could be wrong) an extra step or page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports04:29
amjjawadand, do we really need reports?04:29
amjjawadI stopped doing that because I felt it is not needed and no one was paying much of attention :(04:29
amjjawadHowever, I had an idea of the weekly newsletter which you managed amazingly to read my mind and suggested the same :D04:30
KeithIMyers_I thought it was a good idea to revive to track growth and eventually setup some goals04:30
amjjawadwhat do you think? the report thing is an extra task and I'm in favor of weekly reports for our latest news04:30
amjjawadI see your point, no doubt04:30
amjjawadbut as I said before, my job is to make life easier for everyone ;)04:30
amjjawadSo, I'm asking ... do we need reports? weekly newsletter? or both?04:31
eliaspsIf I may, goals and details are good, but too much "paperwork" adds extra work which could be spent on some other tasks.04:31
KeithIMyers_I have no problems with doing both extra tasks. I am a person who loves crunching data/analytics04:31
amjjawadIndeed. Same what I'm thinking about04:31
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, that's two things in common with me then :D04:31
eliaspsIt's good to have some reports or newsletter.04:32
eliaspsI would propose a monthly one. Depending on the content04:32
amjjawadOk, for me, I'd be very interested about weekly newsletter and less for monthly social media reports. But that's me.04:32
KeithIMyers_You would be sickened to see how much data I crunch through in a single day. It is so bad that I have automated 90% of it04:32
eliaspsweekly newsletter sounds good, but what would it contain?04:33
KeithIMyers_I would love to see a newsletter revived. I have met several of the Ubuntu Folks who run the Ubuntu Newsletter in person and would love to involve this in the Ubuntu Gnome distro.04:33
amjjawadWeekly Newsletter is very important ... it gives a general quick overview of what we're doing04:33
amjjawadWe have had no newsletters whatsoever04:34
KeithIMyers_Monthly would be best, weekly would be overkill unless we are a rolling release04:34
amjjawadMarketing was doing this: publish posts on the website + monthly social media reports.04:34
KeithIMyers_I would love to see weekly but we may struggle for content.04:34
amjjawadthe idea of weekly newsletter was in my mind but I have not suggested it because I know there was no one who might do it04:34
amjjawadNow, we have great active member so why not? and he suggested it himself so that's all what we need04:35
KeithIMyers_I would not mind running the newsletter, I used to do a lot of writing for a few Android Websites in my spare time so I can put "Author" on my CV.04:35
amjjawadMe putting myself on a user's shoes .. I'll be interested to read/know this:04:35
amjjawad(1) What Ubuntu GNOME as a system is doing?04:36
amjjawad(2) What Ubuntu GNOME as a team is doing?04:36
amjjawad(3) Any other interested thing to read/know04:36
amjjawadWeekly means 'less' stuff to write. Monthly means 'more' stuff to write.04:36
KeithIMyers_I would like to add a #4 - A tip for users04:37
eliaspsKeith and Ali those sound really important04:38
eliaspsbut I think a week is a very short period to cover such topics, that's why I propose a monthly newsletter. But whatever the case04:39
eliaspsI'm all for it. Sounds interesting, despite of the time period. ;)04:39
amjjawador maybe every 2 weeks?04:39
amjjawadbut I still find 1 week is enough to write few lines and news04:39
KeithIMyers_Hmm...04:40
amjjawad+1 to tips for users .. one tip every week = great04:40
eliaspsWell, there is no pressure. We can start with the weekly one and if it goes well it stays that way04:40
eliaspsif it needs more time, we change it.04:40
amjjawadyes, good idea04:40
amjjawadso, no more reports, just weekly newsletter?04:40
amjjawadthat's for KeithIMyers_ to decide ;)04:40
amjjawadI don't want you to burn out .. I've been there ...04:41
amjjawadremember before you answer: you have a website to run after :P04:41
amjjawadcorrection: WE have  website to run after!04:41
KeithIMyers_Let me draft up a sample newsletter tomorrow and see what the level of effort is. If it is something that can be done in a few hours, weekly is possible. I will need to work with a few others to make sure that if we commit to a weekly schedule, we stick to it, even if I am out of town04:41
amjjawadIt should be the Mini version of what Ubuntu is doing04:42
KeithIMyers_I dont want to be a single point of failure as I sometimes travel for work. I can draft things out on a plane04:42
amjjawadno need to mention 'everything' but highlight the important parts04:42
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, if I may share a tip: make sure to have more than one member in your team who could help you.04:43
KeithIMyers_Of course the "Everything" piece comes to the website/blog where the newsletter should be a highlight04:43
amjjawadtwo main tasks for any driver/team leader: lead and/or manage his team + recruit to his team04:43
amjjawadnow that eliasps is around, he can help all the drivers/team leaders to recruit04:44
amjjawadeliasps, are you active on Fb and G+ ?04:44
KeithIMyers_Yes, working on the top part. Not everyone on the marketing team is too active, I am working on that and letting those who are not fall off when their membership expires04:44
eliaspsAs for now that I am back, yes.04:44
eliaspsI'll use them to get more people to join.04:44
eliaspsBut I think the ideal goal is for the teams to become autoorganized at some point, just like the bigger ones of Ubuntu (see quality, bug control and stuff)04:45
KeithIMyers_I will say however, I am impressed with how members of the Artwork team have been partnering up lately :) Teamwork is great04:45
eliaspsMore people to join, take initiatives and join the spirit of collaboration04:45
amjjawadI have my own tricks to make anyone active and contributing :D04:46
amjjawadthese tricks worked for 4 years now04:47
KeithIMyers_That is important. DistroWatch has Ubuntu Gnome listed as #41, if we play our cards correctly, Ubuntu Gnome has what it takes to climb that list. If we want this to happen successfully, we need to make sure that the teams are built correctly.04:47
amjjawadI may try to find sometime to write about that but not at the moment or the near future, I'm afraid04:47
amjjawadhere is the huge challenge04:47
amjjawadto reach Ubuntu GNOME Community Phase 3, we must have this:04:48
amjjawadEach and every sub-team is capable enough to handle itself with whatever human resources it has04:48
amjjawadCan you imagine how powerful we could be?04:48
KeithIMyers_+1 - This is why I love the Human Resources idea04:49
amjjawadthat is why, I want group of people lead their sub-teams, not only one person.04:49
amjjawadthis is a unique model04:49
amjjawada group of people lead one department.04:49
KeithIMyers_The sub team is ideal as it would allow the team to continue on if someone leaves04:49
amjjawadthe power of WE will always win04:49
amjjawadNot only that04:50
amjjawadif KeithIMyers_ is sleeping, eliasps is awake or maybe amjjawad04:50
amjjawadin that case, the sub-team will never ever stop04:50
KeithIMyers_What is "sleep">04:50
eliaspsThat maybe too literal considering our timezones :P04:50
amjjawadif we reach to that level, I just can't imagine what would be able to do04:50
amjjawadit is just an example KeithIMyers_ in case you sleep :P04:51
amjjawadThis huge project called: Ubuntu GNOME 24/704:51
KeithIMyers_Oh, I just Google'ed it. That has happened when I forget to make more coffee04:51
amjjawadI would never say we can do that this cycle, but I'm sure we can do that - if we start now building and working on it - maybe with the end of next cycle. That means, Oct, 201504:51
amjjawadThe Non-stoppable team = Ubuntu GNOME04:52
KeithIMyers_Yes, Oct is a realistic timeline as a lot of this will require some pretty drastic changes04:52
amjjawadeveryone will start writing about that04:52
amjjawada model that not even the biggest project has :P04:52
amjjawadThat's Ubuntu GNOME Community version 3 or Phase 304:53
amjjawadwe haven't yet hit phase 2 yet04:53
amjjawadwe're on phase 1 still04:53
amjjawadbut the great news is, we're "-" this close to hit phase 204:53
amjjawadthe translations efforts sparked it all ..04:54
amjjawadI didn't really imagine that ... I must admit04:54
KeithIMyers_We have been pushing the translations hard since November, It had a pretty nice side effect as it recruited a lot of team members who are now active in a few other teams.04:55
amjjawadindeed04:55
amjjawadeliasps, joined us because of that04:56
amjjawadeiosifidis, as well04:56
KeithIMyers_Yup, same with Patrik04:56
amjjawadand Carlos sent me an email asking me how to add his name to the list of team members :D04:56
amjjawadand more coming soon ..04:56
KeithIMyers_Its a great way for non technical people to get their foot in the door :)04:57
eliaspsYeah, translations are a huge help04:57
eliaspsIt can push UG into many LoCo's04:57
amjjawadThe challenge is: when someone 'new' join a project, he/she will feel less helpful/important no matter how skilled and experienced they are.04:58
amjjawadHere comes the job of the driver or leader: he/she makes them feel home and important and trust them and their skills04:58
KeithIMyers_Speaking of LoCo's, anyone planning to attend any events this year?04:58
eliaspsamjjawad true.04:58
amjjawadIt happened with me .. 4 years ago .. when I decided to make a crazy move and join Lubuntu04:58
eliaspsKeith global events?04:59
amjjawadIf Phill wasn't helpful and never took me under his wings, I would have been using Windows now04:59
amjjawadI was about to give up from day 1 when I failed to create my own wiki page :_04:59
amjjawad:)04:59
amjjawadIf Phill never helped me doing that, I would never be exist today.05:00
KeithIMyers_Not sure about Global ones, I am planning to attend a few in the US. I went to FossetCon last year and will likely be attending LinuxCon and the Southwest LinuxFest05:00
amjjawadSadly, AUS LoCo is semi-dead.05:00
KeithIMyers_Maybe you can revive that with some of your newly founded spare time05:01
eliaspsCool KeithIMyers_. I don't plan to attend any events in the US, I'm not leaving there. But I do go to the ones in Greece.05:01
eliaspsUbuntu-gr is making some of them, then we have FOSSCOMM.05:01
KeithIMyers_The Florida LoCo team has been dead lately, the last event, aside from FossetCon was the Ubuntu 14.04 Launch Party05:01
eliaspsA couple of years ago Stathis managed to bring the global OpenSUSE conf to Greece.05:02
eliaspsReally amjjawad? Sad to hear that05:02
amjjawadI did try few times but my tries failed ...05:03
amjjawadI'm holding hopes that Kibo might be the real change when it comes to spreading the word ... let's see05:03
eliaspsGood luck!05:04
amjjawadthank you05:04
KeithIMyers_One sec, looking for a photo05:04
amjjawadsure05:04
amjjawadeliasps, did you read: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome-leaders-board/msg00060.html05:04
eliaspsamjjawad I have it bookmarked, I checked it out but not in detail cause of lack of time. But like I said, I'm back on my daily routine now, so you'll hear an answer soon enough.05:06
amjjawadno worries05:06
amjjawadI will share it on the general mailing list, buying sometime and check the reaction of our community05:06
eliaspsOk.05:07
eliaspsSunday today, so I have a lot of time to catch up with the mailing lists.05:07
amjjawad:D05:07
amjjawadlend me sometime :P05:07
eliaspsHaha! I wish I could :P05:07
KeithIMyers_WOW, I just realized something, its almost April05:08
amjjawadO_o05:08
amjjawadeliasps, that would be great :P05:08
KeithIMyers_I take April Fools Day very seriously05:08
amjjawadKeithIMyers_, you were this close to give me heart attack, I swear05:08
eliaspsHahahah05:08
eliaspsGuys, I have to go and make some breakfast. I'll talk to you soon.05:09
amjjawadWhat April? O_o we're in Jan, aren't we?05:09
KeithIMyers_Last year, I launched "ServerMeadows.com"05:09
amjjawadeliasps, sure, enjoy05:09
eliaspsamjjawad thank you.05:09
eliaspsTake care. Chat soon.Cya!05:09
amjjawadeliasps, you welcome, our new team leader :D05:09
amjjawadyou too, eliasps05:09
eliasps:)05:10
KeithIMyers_https://plus.google.com/109919666334513536939/posts/A4oDiZiLVkZ was the photo I was looking for05:10
KeithIMyers_Thar was our last LoCo meeting for 14.04's launch05:11
amjjawadnice, I know some of those05:11
KeithIMyers_I was there and so was Aaron Honrycutt05:11
amjjawadAha05:12
KeithIMyers_It is great to meet new people although I have met most of them several times in the past05:12
amjjawadindeed05:13
KeithIMyers_Aaron is a Ubuntu Gnome Team Member, we have met a few times in the past and he lives about 10 minutes from me05:13
amjjawadsadly, he faded away05:13
KeithIMyers_Hm, I will see if I can wake him up, we sometimes bump into each other at events. I saw him in September at Fossetcon05:14
amjjawadI'll leave it for you then ;)05:15
amjjawadI guess he liked it when he saw his name on the new year banner05:15
amjjawadI can tell he never expected it05:15
KeithIMyers_He is actually a cool person05:15
KeithIMyers_We have a lot of great people in our LoCo Group including Michael Hall. The only downside is that the meetings are often in Central Flroda which means I have to drive ~4 hours05:16
amjjawadI met Aaron on Google+05:18
amjjawadSame goes with Michael Hall05:18
amjjawadbut so far, never met anyone who is member of Ubuntu, GNOME or any FLOSS :(05:19
amjjawaddarkxst, is 1000KM far from me and I must really find sometime and meet him05:19
KeithIMyers_First time I met up with Aaron was at a cafe that used to be in Miami (it closed a year ago) that catered to FOSS. It was the "Planet Linux Cafe"05:19
KeithIMyers_I met Jono Bacon and Michael Hall for the first time at XDA DevCon 201305:20
amjjawadI guess people in USA and Europe are more active ...05:20
amjjawadwhen it comes to events and real life stuff involved with FLOSS world05:20
KeithIMyers_Sometimes. It has grown in the past few years. It used to be that the only people that cared about Free Software were computer geeks05:22
amjjawadnow, more are involved05:22
KeithIMyers_Yes05:22
amjjawadbut sadly, they're afraid to take it to the next level05:22
amjjawadI have had hard time recruiting people and keep them active05:23
amjjawadit is not like inviting someone as a guest to your home05:23
amjjawadit is asking them to move in and live with you05:23
amjjawadsometimes, it just don't work05:23
amjjawaddoes not*05:23
KeithIMyers_I want to try to get more involved in some of the events myself as well alas I normally have to pay for most of the things out of pocket. I make a decent salary and can expense some of the costs but travel expenses add up05:24
amjjawadlend me some :P :P05:25
amjjawadhehe05:25
KeithIMyers_Miami is an expensive place to live05:26
amjjawadis it?05:26
KeithIMyers_Very05:26
amjjawadOh ok05:26
KeithIMyers_If I moved to Central Florida, I could get a house 3 times the size for less money05:26
amjjawadWOW05:27
amjjawadI know that05:27
amjjawadI have lived near a very very expensive place as well05:28
amjjawadfor may years, I couldn't live there at all05:28
KeithIMyers_Wow, I am reading some old email threads that were sent to me about the previous attempt to get a website redesign. It seems like it was over-complicated. More time was dedicated to planning then it was to developing05:30
KeithIMyers_and this goes back from before I joined in on the fun05:31
amjjawadyes, it started from 14.04 or even before ...05:31
amjjawadlack of manpower and planning is the main reason, I guess05:31
KeithIMyers_I am just making reading everything through to make sure that everyones wishes are respected but I want to get moving fast in order to have the website up before 15.04 launches05:32
amjjawadyes, we need to move on05:33
KeithIMyers_I want to be a bit aggressive on the timeline to have an initial design for some feedback in the next week or two. We can always make changes to it when it is launched.05:33
KeithIMyers_Even if the site is not perfect and works better then ours, it can still go live as long as we do not make any critical mistakes in regards to branding. I will be sure we don't05:36
amjjawadyou have my +1 all the way05:37
amjjawaddo whatever you see fit and we could keep everyone updated and into the loop05:37
amjjawadlunch time, must go05:38
amjjawadcheck your email :D05:38
KeithIMyers_That is great news!05:38
KeithIMyers_I am going to sign off for the night, it is almost 1 AM05:38
KeithIMyers_I will work on a final blueprint with the requirements and get the ball rolling on the design. I will have regular communications.05:39
amjjawadthank you for that05:41
amjjawadI will go now too05:41
amjjawadcya KeithIMyers_ and thanks a lot for everything05:41
KeithIMyers_No problem, 2015 will be a great year!05:41
amjjawadindeed :D05:42
* amjjawad away for lunch 05:42
donmarquisHi05:43
octoquadHi donmarquis09:19
darkxsthi octoquad09:26
darkxstamjjawad, ^09:27
octoquadhi darkxst09:41
octoquadamjjawad, greetings :)09:41
darkxstdid you recover from your all-nighter fixing nautilus ;)09:45
octoquadhaha, yeah09:45
donmarquisoctoquad: What was the issue ?11:46
octoquaddonmarquis, for?11:47
donmarquisnautilus one :)11:47
octoquadoh11:47
octoquadhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/140544111:47
ubot5Launchpad bug 1405441 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashes when trying to view the properties of any folder not owned by root with gksudo or sudo" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:47
donmarquis+1 for the good work11:48
octoquadthanks11:50
octoquadsome credit has to go to darkxst and Noskcaj for assisting11:51
ahoneybunhey amjjawad13:33
ahoneybunKeithIMyers_, up for a event in Dania Beach next month?13:34

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!