[02:16] hi all [04:16] hi amjjawad [04:16] Hello darkxst :) how are you? finally I'm on IRC :) [04:16] good, weather has been crap though improving today [04:17] Ali did not want me to say anything but Happy Birthday [04:17] raining 2 days here and a tree fell but thank God, it was small and no one got hurt [04:17] Happy Good Morning Birthday KeithIMyers_ :P [04:17] eliasps, is here too, YAY :D [04:17] Hi people [04:18] octoquad, is here? [04:18] Its not my Birthday [04:18] so what? happy birthday in advance :P [04:18] Hey Ali, it's been a long time! [04:18] How are you guys? [04:18] indeed, very very long time for me [04:18] I've been in a limbo [04:18] stuck forever with my CV :'( [04:19] Are you on a job hunt? [04:19] for the last many years, yes! [04:19] but since I'm here here in AUS, let's say few months .. [04:19] I'm new here* [04:20] Good luck with that m8. I took a seminar once about filling in CVs, it depends on the field you are looking for, to keep it short, detailed and stuff. [04:20] I think I have some notes somewhere. I'll mail them to you if I find them. [04:20] I have read a lot [04:20] I think I'm close to have a KISS CV [04:21] I have been spending the past few weeks moving, I got my desk set back up but have been working on Wire Management [04:21] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AMQe_-7oDe4/VKRy04EKz6I/AAAAAAAAknY/zguZLVbMr3g/w969-h727-no/IMG_20141231_170235.jpg [04:21] the challenge is how to get someone so lazy who has only 2 seconds to read a CV to read yours [04:21] KeithIMyers_, Ubuntu GNOME on two screens .. nice :D [04:21] Indeed a challenge. [04:22] Since some of the gangs here, let's do a super quick meeting ;) [04:22] KeithIMyers_ awesome [04:22] Actually 3 screens when I need [04:22] without Meeting bot ... just few lines quickly [04:22] The 32 incher is on a swivel that allows me to aim it anywhere [04:22] darkxst, eliasps and myself are waiting for your vote regarding his application for HR driver [04:22] KeithIMyers_, I want that too :D [04:23] amjjawad, +1 [04:23] waiting for darkxst to reply me, I will talk to KeithIMyers_ meanwhile [04:23] wow, that was fast hehe [04:23] eliasps, you got +4 [04:23] congratulations :D [04:23] Thanks guys. :) [04:24] thanks goes for you! [04:24] Full Disclosure, my ISP is acting up right now so if I take a while to respond, it is not because I dont like you [04:24] I must thank you for my entire life :D [04:24] KeithIMyers_, haha, no worries [04:24] I just got back to my daily usual routine. So, I expect to be active once again on UG. I was away for the last couple of weeks. [04:24] eliasps, I will prepare the needed paperwork stuff and then, we could start the real fun on Monday ;) [04:24] eliasps, I was away as well ... [04:25] KeithIMyers_, I wanted to chat with you about: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports [04:25] Ok [04:25] few quick important points: if anyone within UG creates ANY page, that page must be added to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap [04:25] that was #1 note [04:26] #2 is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports the new one that you created [04:26] Ok, I can do that [04:26] Wait please [04:26] Ok, will not do anything until we are finished [04:26] It is my fault that I didn't reply you before you created it but that is not a problem at all [04:27] the thing is, that page was extra and not needed [04:27] In fact, as it is 11:30, I will likely not do anything until I wake up [04:27] Which extra page [04:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/April2014 [04:27] I was doing it like that [04:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam + / + MonthYear [04:28] example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/April2014 [04:28] Ok, I can adopt that format [04:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports [04:29] I find it (I could be wrong) an extra step or page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CommunicationsTeam/Reports [04:29] and, do we really need reports? [04:29] I stopped doing that because I felt it is not needed and no one was paying much of attention :( [04:30] However, I had an idea of the weekly newsletter which you managed amazingly to read my mind and suggested the same :D [04:30] I thought it was a good idea to revive to track growth and eventually setup some goals [04:30] what do you think? the report thing is an extra task and I'm in favor of weekly reports for our latest news [04:30] I see your point, no doubt [04:30] but as I said before, my job is to make life easier for everyone ;) [04:31] So, I'm asking ... do we need reports? weekly newsletter? or both? [04:31] If I may, goals and details are good, but too much "paperwork" adds extra work which could be spent on some other tasks. [04:31] I have no problems with doing both extra tasks. I am a person who loves crunching data/analytics [04:31] Indeed. Same what I'm thinking about [04:31] KeithIMyers_, that's two things in common with me then :D [04:32] It's good to have some reports or newsletter. [04:32] I would propose a monthly one. Depending on the content [04:32] Ok, for me, I'd be very interested about weekly newsletter and less for monthly social media reports. But that's me. [04:32] You would be sickened to see how much data I crunch through in a single day. It is so bad that I have automated 90% of it [04:33] weekly newsletter sounds good, but what would it contain? [04:33] I would love to see a newsletter revived. I have met several of the Ubuntu Folks who run the Ubuntu Newsletter in person and would love to involve this in the Ubuntu Gnome distro. [04:33] Weekly Newsletter is very important ... it gives a general quick overview of what we're doing [04:34] We have had no newsletters whatsoever [04:34] Monthly would be best, weekly would be overkill unless we are a rolling release [04:34] Marketing was doing this: publish posts on the website + monthly social media reports. [04:34] I would love to see weekly but we may struggle for content. [04:34] the idea of weekly newsletter was in my mind but I have not suggested it because I know there was no one who might do it [04:35] Now, we have great active member so why not? and he suggested it himself so that's all what we need [04:35] I would not mind running the newsletter, I used to do a lot of writing for a few Android Websites in my spare time so I can put "Author" on my CV. [04:35] Me putting myself on a user's shoes .. I'll be interested to read/know this: [04:36] (1) What Ubuntu GNOME as a system is doing? [04:36] (2) What Ubuntu GNOME as a team is doing? [04:36] (3) Any other interested thing to read/know [04:36] Weekly means 'less' stuff to write. Monthly means 'more' stuff to write. [04:37] I would like to add a #4 - A tip for users [04:38] Keith and Ali those sound really important [04:39] but I think a week is a very short period to cover such topics, that's why I propose a monthly newsletter. But whatever the case [04:39] I'm all for it. Sounds interesting, despite of the time period. ;) [04:39] or maybe every 2 weeks? [04:39] but I still find 1 week is enough to write few lines and news [04:40] Hmm... [04:40] +1 to tips for users .. one tip every week = great [04:40] Well, there is no pressure. We can start with the weekly one and if it goes well it stays that way [04:40] if it needs more time, we change it. [04:40] yes, good idea [04:40] so, no more reports, just weekly newsletter? [04:40] that's for KeithIMyers_ to decide ;) [04:41] I don't want you to burn out .. I've been there ... [04:41] remember before you answer: you have a website to run after :P [04:41] correction: WE have website to run after! [04:41] Let me draft up a sample newsletter tomorrow and see what the level of effort is. If it is something that can be done in a few hours, weekly is possible. I will need to work with a few others to make sure that if we commit to a weekly schedule, we stick to it, even if I am out of town [04:42] It should be the Mini version of what Ubuntu is doing [04:42] I dont want to be a single point of failure as I sometimes travel for work. I can draft things out on a plane [04:42] no need to mention 'everything' but highlight the important parts [04:43] KeithIMyers_, if I may share a tip: make sure to have more than one member in your team who could help you. [04:43] Of course the "Everything" piece comes to the website/blog where the newsletter should be a highlight [04:43] two main tasks for any driver/team leader: lead and/or manage his team + recruit to his team [04:44] now that eliasps is around, he can help all the drivers/team leaders to recruit [04:44] eliasps, are you active on Fb and G+ ? [04:44] Yes, working on the top part. Not everyone on the marketing team is too active, I am working on that and letting those who are not fall off when their membership expires [04:44] As for now that I am back, yes. [04:44] I'll use them to get more people to join. [04:45] But I think the ideal goal is for the teams to become autoorganized at some point, just like the bigger ones of Ubuntu (see quality, bug control and stuff) [04:45] I will say however, I am impressed with how members of the Artwork team have been partnering up lately :) Teamwork is great [04:45] More people to join, take initiatives and join the spirit of collaboration [04:46] I have my own tricks to make anyone active and contributing :D [04:47] these tricks worked for 4 years now [04:47] That is important. DistroWatch has Ubuntu Gnome listed as #41, if we play our cards correctly, Ubuntu Gnome has what it takes to climb that list. If we want this to happen successfully, we need to make sure that the teams are built correctly. [04:47] I may try to find sometime to write about that but not at the moment or the near future, I'm afraid [04:47] here is the huge challenge [04:48] to reach Ubuntu GNOME Community Phase 3, we must have this: [04:48] Each and every sub-team is capable enough to handle itself with whatever human resources it has [04:48] Can you imagine how powerful we could be? [04:49] +1 - This is why I love the Human Resources idea [04:49] that is why, I want group of people lead their sub-teams, not only one person. [04:49] this is a unique model [04:49] a group of people lead one department. [04:49] The sub team is ideal as it would allow the team to continue on if someone leaves [04:49] the power of WE will always win [04:50] Not only that [04:50] if KeithIMyers_ is sleeping, eliasps is awake or maybe amjjawad [04:50] in that case, the sub-team will never ever stop [04:50] What is "sleep"> [04:50] That maybe too literal considering our timezones :P [04:50] if we reach to that level, I just can't imagine what would be able to do [04:51] it is just an example KeithIMyers_ in case you sleep :P [04:51] This huge project called: Ubuntu GNOME 24/7 [04:51] Oh, I just Google'ed it. That has happened when I forget to make more coffee [04:51] I would never say we can do that this cycle, but I'm sure we can do that - if we start now building and working on it - maybe with the end of next cycle. That means, Oct, 2015 [04:52] The Non-stoppable team = Ubuntu GNOME [04:52] Yes, Oct is a realistic timeline as a lot of this will require some pretty drastic changes [04:52] everyone will start writing about that [04:52] a model that not even the biggest project has :P [04:53] That's Ubuntu GNOME Community version 3 or Phase 3 [04:53] we haven't yet hit phase 2 yet [04:53] we're on phase 1 still [04:53] but the great news is, we're "-" this close to hit phase 2 [04:54] the translations efforts sparked it all .. [04:54] I didn't really imagine that ... I must admit [04:55] We have been pushing the translations hard since November, It had a pretty nice side effect as it recruited a lot of team members who are now active in a few other teams. [04:55] indeed [04:56] eliasps, joined us because of that [04:56] eiosifidis, as well [04:56] Yup, same with Patrik [04:56] and Carlos sent me an email asking me how to add his name to the list of team members :D [04:56] and more coming soon .. [04:57] Its a great way for non technical people to get their foot in the door :) [04:57] Yeah, translations are a huge help [04:57] It can push UG into many LoCo's [04:58] The challenge is: when someone 'new' join a project, he/she will feel less helpful/important no matter how skilled and experienced they are. [04:58] Here comes the job of the driver or leader: he/she makes them feel home and important and trust them and their skills [04:58] Speaking of LoCo's, anyone planning to attend any events this year? [04:58] amjjawad true. [04:58] It happened with me .. 4 years ago .. when I decided to make a crazy move and join Lubuntu [04:59] Keith global events? [04:59] If Phill wasn't helpful and never took me under his wings, I would have been using Windows now [04:59] I was about to give up from day 1 when I failed to create my own wiki page :_ [04:59] :) [05:00] If Phill never helped me doing that, I would never be exist today. [05:00] Not sure about Global ones, I am planning to attend a few in the US. I went to FossetCon last year and will likely be attending LinuxCon and the Southwest LinuxFest [05:00] Sadly, AUS LoCo is semi-dead. [05:01] Maybe you can revive that with some of your newly founded spare time [05:01] Cool KeithIMyers_. I don't plan to attend any events in the US, I'm not leaving there. But I do go to the ones in Greece. [05:01] Ubuntu-gr is making some of them, then we have FOSSCOMM. [05:01] The Florida LoCo team has been dead lately, the last event, aside from FossetCon was the Ubuntu 14.04 Launch Party [05:02] A couple of years ago Stathis managed to bring the global OpenSUSE conf to Greece. [05:02] Really amjjawad? Sad to hear that [05:03] I did try few times but my tries failed ... [05:03] I'm holding hopes that Kibo might be the real change when it comes to spreading the word ... let's see [05:04] Good luck! [05:04] thank you [05:04] One sec, looking for a photo [05:04] sure [05:04] eliasps, did you read: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome-leaders-board/msg00060.html [05:06] amjjawad I have it bookmarked, I checked it out but not in detail cause of lack of time. But like I said, I'm back on my daily routine now, so you'll hear an answer soon enough. [05:06] no worries [05:06] I will share it on the general mailing list, buying sometime and check the reaction of our community [05:07] Ok. [05:07] Sunday today, so I have a lot of time to catch up with the mailing lists. [05:07] :D [05:07] lend me sometime :P [05:07] Haha! I wish I could :P [05:08] WOW, I just realized something, its almost April [05:08] O_o [05:08] eliasps, that would be great :P [05:08] I take April Fools Day very seriously [05:08] KeithIMyers_, you were this close to give me heart attack, I swear [05:08] Hahahah [05:09] Guys, I have to go and make some breakfast. I'll talk to you soon. [05:09] What April? O_o we're in Jan, aren't we? [05:09] Last year, I launched "ServerMeadows.com" [05:09] eliasps, sure, enjoy [05:09] amjjawad thank you. [05:09] Take care. Chat soon.Cya! [05:09] eliasps, you welcome, our new team leader :D [05:09] you too, eliasps [05:10] :) [05:10] https://plus.google.com/109919666334513536939/posts/A4oDiZiLVkZ was the photo I was looking for [05:11] Thar was our last LoCo meeting for 14.04's launch [05:11] nice, I know some of those [05:11] I was there and so was Aaron Honrycutt [05:12] Aha [05:12] It is great to meet new people although I have met most of them several times in the past [05:13] indeed [05:13] Aaron is a Ubuntu Gnome Team Member, we have met a few times in the past and he lives about 10 minutes from me [05:13] sadly, he faded away [05:14] Hm, I will see if I can wake him up, we sometimes bump into each other at events. I saw him in September at Fossetcon [05:15] I'll leave it for you then ;) [05:15] I guess he liked it when he saw his name on the new year banner [05:15] I can tell he never expected it [05:15] He is actually a cool person [05:16] We have a lot of great people in our LoCo Group including Michael Hall. The only downside is that the meetings are often in Central Flroda which means I have to drive ~4 hours [05:18] I met Aaron on Google+ [05:18] Same goes with Michael Hall [05:19] but so far, never met anyone who is member of Ubuntu, GNOME or any FLOSS :( [05:19] darkxst, is 1000KM far from me and I must really find sometime and meet him [05:19] First time I met up with Aaron was at a cafe that used to be in Miami (it closed a year ago) that catered to FOSS. It was the "Planet Linux Cafe" [05:20] I met Jono Bacon and Michael Hall for the first time at XDA DevCon 2013 [05:20] I guess people in USA and Europe are more active ... [05:20] when it comes to events and real life stuff involved with FLOSS world [05:22] Sometimes. It has grown in the past few years. It used to be that the only people that cared about Free Software were computer geeks [05:22] now, more are involved [05:22] Yes [05:22] but sadly, they're afraid to take it to the next level [05:23] I have had hard time recruiting people and keep them active [05:23] it is not like inviting someone as a guest to your home [05:23] it is asking them to move in and live with you [05:23] sometimes, it just don't work [05:23] does not* [05:24] I want to try to get more involved in some of the events myself as well alas I normally have to pay for most of the things out of pocket. I make a decent salary and can expense some of the costs but travel expenses add up [05:25] lend me some :P :P [05:25] hehe [05:26] Miami is an expensive place to live [05:26] is it? [05:26] Very [05:26] Oh ok [05:26] If I moved to Central Florida, I could get a house 3 times the size for less money [05:27] WOW [05:27] I know that [05:28] I have lived near a very very expensive place as well [05:28] for may years, I couldn't live there at all [05:30] Wow, I am reading some old email threads that were sent to me about the previous attempt to get a website redesign. It seems like it was over-complicated. More time was dedicated to planning then it was to developing [05:31] and this goes back from before I joined in on the fun [05:31] yes, it started from 14.04 or even before ... [05:31] lack of manpower and planning is the main reason, I guess [05:32] I am just making reading everything through to make sure that everyones wishes are respected but I want to get moving fast in order to have the website up before 15.04 launches [05:33] yes, we need to move on [05:33] I want to be a bit aggressive on the timeline to have an initial design for some feedback in the next week or two. We can always make changes to it when it is launched. [05:36] Even if the site is not perfect and works better then ours, it can still go live as long as we do not make any critical mistakes in regards to branding. I will be sure we don't [05:37] you have my +1 all the way [05:37] do whatever you see fit and we could keep everyone updated and into the loop [05:38] lunch time, must go [05:38] check your email :D [05:38] That is great news! [05:38] I am going to sign off for the night, it is almost 1 AM [05:39] I will work on a final blueprint with the requirements and get the ball rolling on the design. I will have regular communications. [05:41] thank you for that [05:41] I will go now too [05:41] cya KeithIMyers_ and thanks a lot for everything [05:41] No problem, 2015 will be a great year! [05:42] indeed :D [05:42] * amjjawad away for lunch [05:43] Hi [09:19] Hi donmarquis [09:26] hi octoquad [09:27] amjjawad, ^ [09:41] hi darkxst [09:41] amjjawad, greetings :) [09:45] did you recover from your all-nighter fixing nautilus ;) [09:45] haha, yeah [11:46] octoquad: What was the issue ? [11:47] donmarquis, for? [11:47] nautilus one :) [11:47] oh [11:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1405441 [11:47] Launchpad bug 1405441 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashes when trying to view the properties of any folder not owned by root with gksudo or sudo" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:48] +1 for the good work [11:50] thanks [11:51] some credit has to go to darkxst and Noskcaj for assisting [13:33] hey amjjawad [13:34] KeithIMyers_, up for a event in Dania Beach next month?