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yuriyHi everyone!02:30
yuriyWorking on cleaning up my mapping of Oxygen icons to OpenOffice.org icons. Hopefully LibreOffice themes haven't changed too much so this will still be helpful.02:31
yuriyAnybody else working on the Breeze LibreOffice theme?02:31
valorieI know Riddell had a few GCi students do some work02:40
valorienot sure about any details though02:40
valorieRiddell should be along in a few hours; if you can't stick around that long, please write to Kubuntu-devel ML02:41
valorieit's awesome that you are doing this work, yuriy02:41
valoriethank you02:42
yuriyhe asked me about it almost 2 months ago and I've had LO people ask about it over the years. sorry just getting to it.02:42
valorieno apologies!02:42
valoriework is work, and I thank you for it02:42
yuriyanyways I'm not going to really test but I want to at least send you guys what I have in a usable format02:42
valoriecool02:43
yuriywould I be able to send an attachment to kubuntu-devel? I don't think the bzr repo I was using is up anymore03:04
yuriyWhat is GCi? Is that like Season of KDE?03:20
valorieGoogle Code-in - it is a contest for teens03:34
valorierather than the students come up with proposals, the mentors set up small tasks that the kids can do in 1-3 days03:34
valoriepretty cool03:34
valorieyuriy: not sure that attachments are allowed03:35
valoriewhy not commit somewhere?03:35
valoriesurely there is a repo somewhere03:35
yuriyJust because things have moved around so much in the last 5 years!03:38
yuriyThat sounds like a cool program03:38
yuriyLooks like the repo is still there, but moved03:40
valorieyou probably need to update from that before uploading your changes03:51
yuriyYep figured it out http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/openoffice.org-oxygen-icons/oxygen/changes/04:01
valorieexcellent!04:02
soeegood morning08:29
lordievaderGood morning.09:12
Riddellsitter: yo, we need to get our backports story right for utopic09:21
sitterRiddell: おはよう09:21
Riddellsitter: I planning to put them into kubuntu-ppa/next09:22
Riddellbut I guess it could be argues we need a kubuntu-ppa/next-backports09:22
sitterRiddell: that will make a large chunk of things uninstallable/conflicting though09:22
Riddellbut I feel simplisity doesn't like that09:22
Riddellsitter: starting with KF5 which shouldn't affect anything09:22
Riddellthen doing KDE Applications which shouldn't either09:23
sitterRiddell: Qt5.4 does09:23
Riddellthen work out what needs done to copy over the Qt 5.4 packages, presumably recompiling stuff like qtcreator09:23
sittersec, looking for data09:23
sitterRiddell: recompiling half of everything09:23
Riddellthen backport plasma 5.2 beta09:23
soeeRiddell: when can we expect 5.2 beta for vivid ?09:24
sittercomments in a bit, gathering data09:24
Riddellsoee: before I do it for utopic09:24
soee:D09:25
Riddell./kwin-5.1.95/CMakeLists.txt:set(QT_MIN_VERSION "5.3.0")09:25
Riddellsitter: according to the tars nothing in plasma needs Qt 5.409:25
sitterRiddell: there's a load of bugfixes in frameworks that are dependent on 5.4 at buildtime09:26
Riddellhmm really?09:26
sitterand well, upstream wants 5.4, not me :P09:26
Riddellso we'd need to rebuild all of frameworks?09:26
sitterRiddell: yes, that is why I was saying Qt needs to go in first ^^09:26
Riddellhmm09:27
sitterand Qt in general is dodgy territory09:27
sitterand I am too stupid to use apt-cache today09:27
sitteranywho09:27
sitterlibqtcore Provides:qtbase-abi-5-3-0 <-- this is a version dependent virtual, every package that uses private bits of Qt i.e. the libqt*private*dev stuff gets this forced into their dependencies because there is no ABI stability for the private bits. so what happens is as you switch libqtcore(5.3.x) with libqtcore(5.4.x) the provides for qtbase-abi-5-3-0 disappears and all packages using the private bits need to be rebuilt to now require qtbase-abi-509:29
sitter-4-0 otherwise they will not install09:29
sitterthe problem with this is that it has become acceptable to touch Qt's private parts, so there's plenty of packages that do it09:30
sitterqtcreator being the obvious one. various (ubuntu) plugins for qtcreator. various ubuntu qml modules. and possibly more things I don't remember now.09:30
sitterso either we accept that a backport will likely entail that the ubuntu-sdk can not be installed anymore, or we'd need to rebuild all of it, or we'd cheat our way around this by making qtbase 5.4 provide the 5.3 abi package (brrr)09:31
RiddellI'd favour a rebuild09:32
Riddellwhy does this return nothing? apt-cache rdepends qtbase-abi-5-3-209:33
sitterbecause it is virtual09:33
sitterit's weird09:33
sitterreverse-depends also fails09:33
sitterI think I managed to get a list in december somehow09:33
sittercan't remember though ^^09:33
sitterRiddell: you can look at the binary lists in var/lib/apt/lists though for a general overview09:33
sitterpyqt5 definitely must get a rebuild09:34
sitterRiddell: oh mind you, since the parts are private there is no garuntee that a simple rebuild will sufice09:34
sittercalibre wants abi as well -.-09:35
Riddellmany of the naughty packages seem to be qt itself09:35
sitterfcitx-frontend-qt5 probably needs a rebuild09:35
sittergammaray09:35
sitterRiddell: no, check universe09:35
sitteractually, all in all I think the list was about as many !qt package as qt packages ^^09:36
sitterah09:36
sitterRiddell: here's a resonably complete list actually at the bottom https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjuCdq68GSyVdFI4QzNQdWpfME5aMEV2VXo0cUpOMkE#gid=2509:36
Riddellyep09:37
Riddellwhich seems do-able09:37
sitterit'd be a bandaid really09:37
Riddellwhich would? rebuilding?09:37
sitterthe thing is... even if we rebuild all of those... if an SRU lands it'll all have been for nothing09:37
sitternot that I disagree with the notiion of rebuilding all of those. the entire situation is just very meh09:38
Riddellit is, but that's upstream's fault not ours09:39
Riddelland we pretty much have to live with what upstream give us09:39
sittertrue true09:39
sitterRiddell: do we want to stage Qt manually?09:40
sitter^ actually needs scripteroo I suppose09:40
Riddellah there's no qt 5.4 packages for utopic https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/qt5-beta2/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=utopic09:44
Riddellfor some reason I assumed there still were09:44
Riddellsitter: first question I have is where to stage it, there's kubuntu-ppa/staging and kubuntu-ppa/next-staging09:47
sitterRiddell: next, until vivid is out next is the way to go09:48
sitterRiddell: also I think we need to put qt4 into a separate ppa09:48
Riddellsitter: so first qt 5.4 packages need to be put into kubuntu-ppa/next-staging ?09:48
sitterRiddell: yup09:49
Riddellcan we get away with just copying them from ~canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2 and assuming they'll build, I guess not09:49
sitterthey didn't when I tried in december xD09:49
Riddellso do I need to fire up a muckle ec2 with 100 CPUs to test build them in reasonable time?09:49
sitterthough they were still rc packages back then09:50
sitterRiddell: ppa is plenty fast as long as dep ordering works09:50
Riddellppa doesn't allow to go "oh a .install file needs something removed let's remove this and see if it works"09:51
sitterwhole rebuild of the 50% of packages I backported for CI took about 4 hours I think (that's already including qtwebkit)09:51
sitterRiddell: there should be no such case09:51
sitterat least not for the ones I backported09:51
sitterthe CI backports I did were literally jenkins jobs hurling the bzr branches at the release tars, changing version and making a source09:51
sitterRiddell: canonical ppa still has rc packages unfortunately btw09:52
Riddellmeh09:54
Riddelland no mirv on channel to poke about that09:54
Riddellmitya57: do you know if there's qt 5.4 final packages around?09:54
sitterme backport script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9717571/09:55
Riddellhmm, ruby, yum09:56
sitternote: qt backport needs to go into qt dedicated ppa. then we can copy all of the things in there to next and ci and netrunner09:56
Riddellwhat's the advantage of that over using just next-staging?09:56
Riddellseems like an extra step09:56
sitterRiddell: you can stage in next-staging, they just have to go into a different ppa 09:57
sitterotherwise someone has to select the qt things + rebuilds when copying to ci and netrunner respectively09:57
sitterinstead of simply going "copy all the things in the qt ppa to the foo ppa"09:57
RiddellI'm a bit confused by that09:58
sitterhow so?09:58
RiddellI think I'm confused on where ci and netrunner come into it09:59
RiddellI was planning to do utopic backports for kubuntu userrs and I was expecting netrunner to use that same ppa09:59
sitterRiddell: for netrunner we will probably take a CI snapshot *probably*10:00
sitterat any rate we need them in CI ppa as well10:00
Riddellcanonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2 seems to have all the necessary rdepends in it10:01
Riddellso we need to update those packages to final qt 5.4 versions and rebuild for utopic10:01
Riddellis that right?10:01
sitterotherwise netrunner is delayed by release packaging and backporting, while we test CI packages anyway, so we might as well go with those10:02
sitterRiddell: the packaging is all done in bzr/git for the better part of qts (at least for the half that I monkey packaged for CI)10:03
Riddellsitter: netrunner would use CI packages for utopic?10:03
sittera snapshot, yeah10:03
sitterRiddell: that makes me think, how about we simply land CI packages for utopic proper and eliminate the backport fiddling? ;)10:05
Riddellsitter: because CI is master branches only for now isn't it? and netrunner will want packages of stable10:05
sitterRiddell: I do have to roll out stable this week for exactly this reason10:05
sitterfortunately the code for all this is not garbage at all and very well tested</scarcasm>10:06
sitterRiddell: how we land things on top doesn't matter anyway; first we need qt. and on that though: for qt itself we could setup the missing jenkins jobs and have jenkins stage qt for us. the jenkins setup for this is a bit spooky but it served me well in december, so we could perhaps save some time?10:08
Riddellsitter: if you think it would work then ok but jenkins is your area so you'd be pretty much on your own for setting it up10:10
Riddellsitter: my feeling is we should get this done pronto and the easiest way is to just grab the packages and recompile them mostly by hand10:10
sitterfor the rebuilds we neeed to do that anyway. but the qt packaging itself is highly automatable, so we could let jenkins handle that10:11
sitteralso means we don't need to restage the things I already have staged as part of CI10:11
sitterRiddell:  I leave this decision entirely up to you10:12
sitterjenkins will probably work, if you feel more comfortable with doing it manually or a local script that's just as well ;)10:14
Riddellwibble, decisions!10:15
sitterI know, right xD10:15
Riddellsitter: and make a kubuntu-ppa/qt-staging PPA?10:15
sitterRiddell: you can just use next-staging, but clear it out first10:16
sitterfor the final landing we then need kubuntu-ppa/utopic-qt5 or something10:16
Riddellok I'll fire up a muckle ec2 and rebuild qt 5.4 on it for utopic and put into kubuntu-ppa/next-staging10:17
sitterkthx10:17
sitterRiddell: oh btw, did you have any more people work on the new plasma packages? CI is severely red because of missing packages in the new bits :/10:18
RiddellI did not10:19
sitterk10:19
RiddellI like plasma has to wait until qt and kf5 (and maybe kde applications) backports are done for utopic10:19
sitteryup10:19
Riddellalthough I'll need to twiddle the plasma release bits tomorrow in my upstream role10:19
sitterRiddell: did you see my releaseme mail?10:20
Riddellbriefly, it seemed to be suggesting I write the plasma release script in ruby, that's when I stopped reading it to come back to later when I'd calmed down10:21
sitterlol10:21
sitterRiddell: shout when you need help with the qt stuff10:30
Riddellwill do10:30
bukaiRiddell: ping10:38
bukaiFixed all errors :) working http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/ is working on firefox10:39
bukaiRiddell: ^10:39
Riddellyay!10:43
mitya57Riddell, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-00510:45
Riddellmitya57: ah hah, thanks10:46
lordievaderbukai: Whoo, looks fancy :D10:47
mitya57There are some FTBFSes there, probably I should look at them while Timo is away10:47
Sick_RimmitGood Morning lovely Kubuntu folks11:09
soeehiho Sick_Rimmit11:10
Riddellhi Sick_Rimmit!11:11
* Sick_Rimmit Smiles and waves11:12
bukailordievader: thanks :)11:16
lordievaderHey Sick_Rimmit 11:16
Sick_Rimmitlordievader: Hi11:16
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Hi did you get my email to you with the Artwork proofs for Name badges, and Poster for FOSDEM ?11:35
lordievaderSick_Rimmit: Is one of you guys going to give a talk?11:35
RiddellSick_Rimmit: yeah replying 11:36
Riddellthere's a few changes needed11:36
Sick_RimmitRiddell: OK that's great11:36
Sick_Rimmitlordievader: I haven't anything planned for a talk, also I think the talk submission date has now passed, IIRC11:36
Sick_RimmitRiddell: That's fine, send me the requirements and I can take care of them this evening11:37
lordievaderSick_Rimmit: Check, what are the badges and posters for, if I may ask?11:47
Sick_Rimmitlordievader: Name badges for folks manning the KDE Stand at FOSDEM, the posters are to put up behind the stand.11:48
lordievaderWhoo, cool a KDE stand. I'll be sure to pop by ;)11:49
Riddelllordievader: or come and help out?11:49
Riddellin return we'll let you into the exclusive kde buffet in grande place https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/201511:50
lordievaderRiddell: If time and schedule permits, sure. Not sure though what helping out consists of.11:50
Riddellstanding on the stall pimping kde to passers by11:51
Riddellgot any nice hardware you can bring to demo it?11:51
lordievaderErr, I cannot bring a laptop that runs Plasma5. 11:52
lordievaderBut I suppose I can bring my work laptop with a plasma5 live cd.11:53
RiddellSick_Rimmit: are you able to bring any demo equipment?11:53
BluesKaj'Morning all12:04
shadeslayerRiddell: btw what happened to SRU'ing Frameworks to Utopic?12:05
shadeslayerwe're way way behind on that AFAICT12:06
Riddellshrug, needs someone with time12:10
shadeslayerdo we have the tooling? then it's a matter of just running the tooling12:12
Riddellit'll need adjustments12:13
shadeslayer^^ anyone want to take it up?12:13
_Groo_hi/2 all12:13
_Groo_good morning12:13
shadeslayerI guess me / Riddell can sponsor uploads12:13
_Groo_Riddell: did you use my 2 packages (sddm_kcm and touchpad kde) or just sddm_kcm?12:14
Riddell_Groo_: I think sitter said he'd taken both, I've not yet got to doing plasma12:15
_Groo_Riddell: yeah i see the sddm_kcm in today update, but the touchpad one, looks different12:16
_Groo_Riddell: any packages you want me to do?12:16
_Groo_i have some free time this week12:16
kranzerRiddell: ping12:18
Riddellhi kranzer 12:20
kranzercan you create any task for me?12:20
RiddellSick_Rimmit: replied about fosdem bits, let me know if anything is unclear or you think it's too much faff12:21
Riddellkranzer: none come to mind12:21
kranzerRiddell: no packages to update?12:21
Sick_RimmitRiddell: OK Will do, thanks12:21
bukaiRiddell: Hi, I am thinking of removing the slider at the top12:25
bukaishould I just keep the basic image at the top, ie the image om kubuntu.org page12:26
bukaiRiddell: ^12:27
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Riddellbukai: yeah having the kubuntu logo prominant is important12:30
bukaiI was thinking the same + it is taking some time to load12:31
soeewhen somethinf needs some time to load load it async, use ajax etc. :)12:32
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* sitter is a well competent scripter12:43
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sitter_Groo_: they are both adjusted for history and standard conformism12:46
sitterRiddell: is 5.2 branched yet?12:54
sitterRiddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/plasma/ <- brunch missing12:57
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sitterhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9718193/ stab-plasma.rb - best script ever13:06
Riddellsitter: yes but I need to add wallpapers and update the translation pointers13:06
sitterI am all good to integrate stable, I think(tm)13:06
_Groo_sitter: no problem, just wanted to check if they were used :)13:06
sitterexcessive shittyness at hand13:06
_Groo_but the sddm systemd script is still borken for prime (hybrid) machines13:07
_Groo_it starts the sddm too early in the boot sequence13:07
_Groo_and doesnt activate the radeon module, the only workaround is to restart the service once X and ence sddm are up13:07
_Groo_that way it works13:07
sitterFWIW13:09
sitterthings that need kf5 packaging: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9718226/13:09
sitterthey all have their respective utopic (or utopic-next) versions imported and just need adjustment for vivid13:10
sitterRiddell: ^13:10
_Groo_bluedevil needs backporting to kubuntu-ci then?13:12
_Groo_paste me the source and ill do bluedevil and libbluedevil13:12
_Groo_im very interested in testing the new stack13:13
_Groo_i might take a look at kdeconnect to see if they have a kf5 version in the works too13:13
sitterall here http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/?q=pkg-kde/plasma13:13
sittermaster branch for all of them (seeing as they have no kubuntu_unstable ;))13:14
RiddellSergobot: did polkit-kde-agent-1, ksshaskpass, kdecoration13:15
sitterah13:15
sitterRiddell: where are they?13:15
Riddellon a random ec2 server ec2-54-211-4-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com (foobar)13:15
sitterpft13:15
sitterRiddell: publish somewhere13:15
Riddellwaiting for me (or anyone else) to review them and publish13:15
_Groo_k, let me take a look at bluedevil and libblue13:16
* sitter thinks we need a reviewboard or something for the repos :P13:16
_Groo_sitter: those are the debian files, but where are the sources for blue and libblue?13:18
Riddell_Groo_: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.1.95/13:19
_Groo_tks13:19
Riddell(they're on the download.kde.org server but available only to known packagers until tomorrow)13:19
SergobotRiddell: These packages are also at my PPA https://launchpad.net/~sergobot256/+archive/ubuntu/plasma13:19
_Groo_question, what is the correct version for blue? 5.1.95 or 2.0~rc2really5.1.95-0ubuntu1.0?13:23
_Groo_funky versioning is funky13:23
_Groo_or you guys will fix that later?13:23
sitter_Groo_: 5.1.9513:24
Riddell_Groo_: the bluedevil author is a bit crap at actually releasing so I'm just releasing it as part of plasma and it'll have sane version numbers13:25
_Groo_Riddell: k13:26
_Groo_maintainer : kubuntu devs?13:26
RiddellMaintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>13:28
Riddell_Groo_: ↑13:28
Riddell_Groo_: you're starting from existing bluedevil packages presumably?13:29
_Groo_Riddell: yep13:29
_Groo_pretty much remaking them, since they are for kf413:29
Riddellyeah13:29
sitter_Groo_: note the rules file from sddm-kcm, that's all you need for your rules13:30
_Groo_https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vMbBzpuI13:31
_Groo_oops?13:32
_Groo_wrong name in debian/control?13:32
Riddell"I'm writing to let you know that I'm planning a new release for KDE Connect (packages kdeconnect-kde and kdeconnect-android) for the 25th" sweet13:33
_Groo_wait, sddm-kcm or kde-config-sdm isnt in kubuntu-ci yet13:34
_Groo_at least apt cant find it :P13:34
_Groo_wtf13:34
Riddell_Groo_: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/sddm-kcm.git/tree/debian13:34
_Groo_wasnt uploaded yet?13:34
Riddellactually wrong branch  http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/sddm-kcm.git/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_unstable13:35
sitterpossibly I messed up the bdeps13:35
sitterhaven't had a look at new fails yet13:35
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sitterRiddell, shadeslayer, yofel: polkit-kde-agent-1 could use a peer review in kubuntu_unstable branch13:54
shadeslayerENOTIME13:54
sitterSergobot: thanks for your work! http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/ksshaskpass.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kdecoration.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=3f52812c7015003c0f119c38679f5fd82c7ade45 | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/polkit-kde-agent-1.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=b4c2784f485b1d11e9bd443c1718e16abbaa36d413:59
sitterRiddell: Sergobot's stuff all in kubuntu_unstable, pending CIng13:59
Riddellooh, thanks14:00
Riddellsitter: but.. epoch14:01
Riddellsitter: I was using an epoch of 4: on plasma stuff cos that's what maxy said when I queried him14:01
Riddellexcept for plasma stuff that might go into kf5 one day14:01
Riddellso it's a bit inconsistent14:02
sitterlast I heared you were opposing the idea of using epochs everywhere :P14:02
Riddellyou need to stop listening to rumours14:02
sitteryou yourself said that14:02
Riddelldid I?14:02
RiddellI need to stop listening to rumours14:02
Riddellfor Plasma I was using epochs except where I wasn't14:03
sitterlol14:03
sitterah well14:03
sitterRiddell: epoch all the new things then?14:03
Riddellyeah14:03
Riddellbut I can review and tidy them up14:03
sitterRiddell: should all be epoched, but yeah a review would be good to have14:06
bukaiRiddell: When shall we start porting test2.kubuntu.co.uk to the main server?14:24
Riddellbukai: well this is the only server we have14:25
sitterstill needs profiling?14:25
Riddellright14:25
Riddelland I need to find time to review it more for content, I'm sure there's a lot I want fixed, I'm not easily pleased :)14:25
Riddellovidiu-florin: had a look at it? ↑14:25
bukaiThe kubuntu.org is hosted on this server ?14:26
sitternope, that is hosted by canonical14:26
bukaiRiddell: Ok, please point out the areas I need to rectify so that it becomes easier to please you :P14:28
Riddellbut we want to move off the canonical server because it has various problems14:29
bukaiRiddell: I am removing the slider as it is not a good SEO practice either, so any idea what to put there?14:31
Riddellbukai: what do you mean by the slider?14:32
bukaithe thing that keeps moving at the top14:32
Riddellbukai: aww, how is it not good pracice?14:33
bukaiRiddell: http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/14:34
Riddellhmm interesting14:35
Peace-hi guys i have some problem with an iso image of 15.0514:40
Peace-0414:40
Peace-it tells me  gfx.c32 not com32r image14:41
Peace-tried to do tab 14:41
Peace-then live14:41
Peace-but it doesn't get into kubuntu desktop14:41
bukaiRiddell: Can I verify the site with google webmaster and play around with the same?14:57
Riddellbukai: what does that mean?14:58
bukaigoogle webmaster tool makes the site google friendly but before doing that we have to upload an auto generated file and place it in http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/ so that google can verify it14:59
Riddellbukai: google friendly?15:00
Riddellbut sure, go ahead15:00
bukaiyes, google friendly . That is like before the bot would eventually come to our site and generate a site map, using this you are like inviting the googlebot to visite your site and crawl through its contents :)15:03
bukaiRiddell: ^15:03
Riddellhmm ok15:04
Peace-Riddell: but the daily live with this error gfx.c32 not com32r image?15:05
Peace-i am not able to boot correctly even putting "live"15:05
Peace-Riddell: ok it seems it's working with the "just downloaded again iso"15:07
Peace-:D15:07
Riddell32 vs 64 bit?15:11
Peace-mm no no 15:11
RiddellI've seen that issue but I forget what it is15:11
Peace-i got that error then i was able to boot 15:12
Peace-typig live 15:12
Peace-but for some reasons i was not be alble to login then 15:12
Peace-anyway now on virtualbox there is no problem with login 15:13
Peace-i will try with the real machine now15:13
_Groo_Riddell: aparently bluedevil needs bluez 5? and we have 4.x in utopic?15:22
_Groo_Riddell: or i can remove the 5 restriction?15:22
Riddellno we want bluez515:23
Riddellalthough it's still at 4 in utopic :( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez15:23
Riddellbah fooey there's a ppa somewhere for it I think15:24
_Groo_k, libbluedevil is up in peppa 15:27
_Groo_compiling bluedevil has we speak15:27
Riddell_Groo_: using what bluez?15:29
_Groo_bluez is only used at runtime, it compiles with libbluedevil which i already built15:30
Riddell15:30 < didrocks> Riddell: waiting on some unity-system-settings change15:30
Riddell15:30 < didrocks> Riddell: then, we'll be good to go, but we need rsalveti and the kernel team to work on the Touch side15:30
Riddellhmm15:30
Riddellso we may not be able to upload this to the archive15:31
Riddellyet15:31
_Groo_Riddell: cant we use a ppa with a lower version which will upgrade when they are done?15:33
Riddell_Groo_: how do you mean?15:34
_Groo_Riddell: it works, but as i thought (i forced the install to override the bluez5 to see if it would install correctly) it cant find the adapters without bluez5 http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-2HVBEYcc.png15:37
_Groo_Riddell: make our own bluez5 and let it upgrade to the oficial once its released15:37
Riddellso we can upload it just won't do much15:37
Riddellbut then does the current KDE4 bluedevil do much on plasma 5?15:37
_Groo_yeah it works, but you dont see any systemsettings, you have to use the statusbar icon for everything mostly15:38
Riddellok but better than nothing15:39
_Groo_with the old 4 version you get the statusbar icon and he can find the adapters but no systemsettings, which in my opinion is a must15:40
_Groo_with 5 if you force it to install over 4, you get the systemsettings, but no adapters, since it uses a new ap15:40
_Groo_api15:40
_Groo_Riddell: compiling now https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/+packages15:41
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions15:41
_Groo_im gonna add ppa:vidplace7/bluez5  to my system and see if everything is working fine15:42
_Groo_to get an idea if everything will work once bluez is upgraded15:42
Riddell_Groo_: use https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions says didrocks15:42
_Groo_pulseaudio update and more oO this is so gonna hurt15:44
sitterRiddell: where are you on qt?15:46
sittershort of the missing packaging for new bits I think I have all bits in place to do stable integration15:47
_Groo_Riddell: cant test, ist just for vivid15:47
_Groo_i would need to backport it to utopic15:47
_Groo_Riddell: anyway its in peppa15:48
Riddellsitter: missing packages ↑15:49
sitteryes, looking already15:49
sitteruser-manage still missing then I think15:49
Riddellhey _Groo_ fancy packaging user-manager (if you're done with bluedevil bits)15:50
_Groo_Riddell: i can take a look at it, im backporting bluez to another ppa of mine15:50
sitteroh eh15:51
sitterright15:51
sitterbluez15:51
sitterbrrr15:51
_Groo_all work and no kubuntu.org mail makes Groo a dull boy15:51
sitterRiddell: not having bluez landed is actually a reasonably bad thing15:51
_Groo_all work and no ninja ppa upload rights makes Groo a dull boy15:51
sitterlibbluedevil has no symbols file :'<15:52
_Groo_sitter: how do i generate one? the old one wasnt compatible (libbluedevil2) this is libbludevil515:54
Riddell_Groo_: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html15:55
Riddellscary voodoo15:55
Riddellfollow "Creating a symbols file"15:55
sitteractually15:56
sitterupdate15:56
_Groo_Riddell: i know how to read :P15:56
sittershould be easier I suppose15:56
sitterjust take it form the symbol2 file15:56
_Groo_i thought lintian did this shit automagically15:56
_Groo_2015 and we still need to do this kinda voodoo by hand15:57
_Groo_i blame apachelogger15:57
* sitter wonders15:58
sitterfor some reason I have the feeling that I had integrated bluedevil somewhere in CI15:58
sitter_Groo_: by perl you mean15:59
sitterwhich is only marginally better than by hand15:59
_Groo_sitter: perl gives me the shivers15:59
_Groo_so many lives lost to perl16:00
_Groo_so many souls16:00
Riddellsitter: did you say you'd fixed the problem releaseme had with the plasma-desktop tar where the doc/ cmakelists file wasn't right?16:03
sitterRiddell: no, I said that plasma-desktop's doc/CMakeLists is not correct in that it *must* use optional_add_directory 16:03
Riddellah yes, I must have misheard you :)16:04
sitteror didn't listen :'<16:04
Riddellone or the other16:05
_Groo_guys16:12
_Groo_this is the tree16:12
_Groo_https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/06qG9ppP16:12
_Groo_pkgkde-symbolshelper patch -p libbluedevil -v 5.1.95 < buildlog16:12
_Groo_pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: symbol template file was not found for package 'libbluedevil'16:12
_Groo_what am i doing wrong here?16:12
_Groo_buildlog16:13
_Groo_https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mPYAUya716:13
Riddell_Groo_: you're starting with the old symbols file16:14
Riddellyou want to start from scratch16:14
Riddellcos it's a new soversion16:14
Riddellfollow "Creating a symbols file"16:14
_Groo_ah16:14
_Groo_i tried updating the old one16:14
Riddellnah don't do that for a new soversion16:14
_Groo_doesnt migrate between soversions then?16:14
_Groo_k16:15
Riddellsymbols files exist to tell you when symbols have changed in a library that hasn't changed soversion16:15
Riddellif it changes soversion then it can do whatever it wants with its symbols16:15
Riddellhi yuriy!16:16
yuriyhi Riddell!16:17
_Groo_new version is up in peppa with the symbols file16:23
_Groo_bluez for utopic is in https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/pbppa/16:24
_Groo_testing it now16:24
_Groo_all the package, bluez, bluedevil16:24
Peace-hi Riddell i was not be able to connect to my wifi on 15.0416:25
Riddellsitter: luigi/tosky disagrees with the optional docs directories in #kde-devel16:25
Peace-it was saying insufficient privilegies16:26
Peace-something like that 16:26
Riddellwibble16:26
Peace-xD16:26
Peace-then i did sudo -i ; plasmashell and connected :D16:26
Riddellerk, that shouldn't be necessary :(16:26
Peace-Riddell: i used the daily live just download before16:27
Riddellyuriy: so you're doing icons?16:35
_Groo_Riddell: ok with my bluez5 backport and bluedevil 5.1.95, it works has intended16:41
yuriyRiddell: no, just wanted to send you what I had, see email. hope it helps your students.16:41
MamarokI was wondering: will we ever get KDE 4.14.3 for Utopic? I mean, it is out since quite some time now16:43
sitterRiddell: there's a bug in releaseme all the same16:44
sitterl10n pathing is an inconsistent shitpile16:44
Riddell_Groo_: ooh great16:45
Riddellovidiu-florin: ahem http://ro.kubuntu.org/16:48
Riddellovidiu-florin: your website got hacked into, I've taken it down16:53
Riddellwhich does slightly make me wonder if we can host the kubuntu website :(17:00
RiddellScottK: any thoughts on what's needed to get the various kde app bits migrated? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#marble17:06
ScottKRiddell: I'd start with trying to parse http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt17:08
ScottKIn particular, when it tries okular is seems to implicate only a small number of packages.17:09
ScottKThat ought to be sortable.  That might help make the rest clearer.17:09
ScottKmarble looks like it's primarily tied up with calligra.17:10
_Groo_Riddell: i have a bug in touchpad17:10
_Groo_Riddell: if i click on the statusbar touchpad icon i get module org.kde.qtextracomponents is not instaleld17:10
_Groo_Riddell: although it works in system settings17:10
_Groo_Riddell: btw bluez is working has a charm :)17:11
_Groo_Riddell: but i cant install qml extra components, ci is broken17:11
_Groo_https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/64kU2CsC17:11
_Groo_could someone fix this?17:12
_Groo_once its fixed, you guys will probably have to add qml-module-org-kde-extras to the kde-touchpad dependenciez17:12
_Groo_bummer, still gives me the same error after i force-all those packages17:15
_Groo_any ideas?17:19
shadeslayersitter: Riddell why does kate5-data not break/replace kate-data?17:25
Riddelldoes it overlap?17:26
shadeslayeryep17:27
_Groo_Riddell: any idea about que missing qml?17:27
Riddell_Groo_: you're testing kcm touchpad?17:28
_Groo_Riddell: yep17:29
Riddell_Groo_: what's broken about it?17:29
_Groo_Riddell: systemsettings kcm is fine, but the statusbar icon is missing a qml file17:29
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9719587/17:29
shadeslayerRiddell: sitter ^^ line 681717:30
Riddellshadeslayer: I guess the icon should be removed from kate-data17:30
Riddellshadeslayer: I think they need to be co-installable no?17:30
shadeslayerRiddell: This is on debian17:30
shadeslayerwhich has 4:4.14.217:30
Riddell_Groo_: what does the statusbar icon do?17:31
sitterthis seems silly17:31
sitterkate5-data should be called kate-data17:31
shadeslayerfix it?17:31
sitterand all assets of the old kate(4)-data shoud be moved to the katepart as that is the only bit that uses it after stripping17:31
Riddell_Groo_: what's broken about it?17:32
shadeslayersitter: btw any clue about http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/job/imager_test/19/console17:32
sitterno17:32
shadeslayerdid you even look xD17:32
shadeslayer"W: Failed to fetch http://pangea-data.s3.amazonaws.com/dci/moz-plasma/debian/dists/sid/InRelease  Unable to find expected entry 'maindeb/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)"17:32
shadeslayerwhich makes no sense since it works locally 17:32
_Groo_Riddell: you click on it and instead of showing the proper app it opens a error msg17:39
_Groo_Riddell: error loading qml file /usr...etc.etc../contents/ui/touchpad.qml org.kde.qtextracomponents is not installed17:40
_Groo_Riddell: any ideas of what package is missing?17:45
_Groo_i force install the qml-module packages because im getting errors with kde-framework, see https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/64kU2CsC17:45
_Groo_Riddell: didnt fixed it though17:45
shadeslayersitter: ah, that was because of old shit still in the config17:54
sitteryummy17:54
shadeslayerok, now the only problem is kate17:54
* shadeslayer looks17:54
sitter_Groo_: Unpacking qml-module-org-kde-accessdenied:amd64 (5.2.0+git20140918.0845.0) ...                                                                                                                                                                     17:55
sitterwhat is pulling this in?17:55
sitterthat package is from september17:55
_Groo_https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oOv3Fp1817:56
_Groo_sitter: see above17:56
firefly2442Are "kdelibs" and "kde-baseapps" the two larger projects/subprojects in KDE in terms of number of commits and large numbers of changes?17:56
_Groo_is from kubuntu-ci17:56
sitterqml-module-org-kde-extras is also from september17:56
sitterthat package doesn't exist anymore17:57
_Groo_sitter: its there, an apt-get update still shows them17:57
sitteryeah, because launchpad doesn't expunge old binaries17:57
sitterthey are doomed to linger in the package list forever more17:58
sitteror until someone wipes the repo I guess17:58
_Groo_gotcha17:58
_Groo_but the touchpad bug remains17:58
sitterwhich one is that?17:59
_Groo_Riddell: error loading qml file /usr...etc.etc../contents/ui/touchpad.qml org.kde.qtextracomponents is not installed17:59
_Groo_this one17:59
_Groo_when i click on the touchpad icon17:59
sittermaybe I am mistaken but I think org.kde.qtextracomponents is gone entirely17:59
_Groo_complains that org.kde.qtextracomponents is not installed17:59
sitterwas renamed or splti or something17:59
sitter_Groo_: ask in #plasma17:59
_Groo_well if you can find where it went i can patch touchpad.qml18:00
sitterask plasma guys18:00
sitterthey'd know18:00
_Groo_asking18:01
_Groo_according to this, its still there18:02
_Groo_https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma2/QML2/API#QtExtraComponents18:02
shadeslayersitter: /home/shadeslayer/src/work/pangea-tooling/ci-tooling/lib/projects.rb:133:in `factorize': undefined local variable or method `config' for #<ProjectFactory:0x00000001e60568> (NameError)18:07
sitterwrite a test18:07
shadeslayer:S18:07
shadeslayerI have no patience to do that at the moment18:07
_Groo_Riddell: the touchpad.qml file is broken in touchpad-kde, is still using qtextracomponents from kde 4.x18:26
_Groo_Riddell: needs to be rewritten18:26
Riddell_Groo_: that's what I had heard before but just now d_ed tells me it works for him18:27
_Groo_Riddell: the statusbar? cause the kcm compoent works ok, its the statusbar that is broken18:28
Riddellright he was talking about the status bar plasmoid18:28
_Groo_its two methods that are deprecated18:29
_Groo_qiconitem and plasmacore.tooltip18:30
_Groo_i commented them and now i have a huge touchpad with no input lol18:30
Riddellso maybe d_ed was talking nonsense18:30
_Groo_Riddell: ask him for a ss of the statusbar working18:31
d_edI was talking nonsense18:31
d_edsorry about that18:31
_Groo_k, do the following if you are in the mood18:31
_Groo_edit /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/touchpad/contents/ui/touchpad.qml18:31
* sitter shakes head in disappointment18:31
_Groo_and comment the qiconitem method and the PlasmaCore.ToolTip method18:32
_Groo_it should now load18:32
Riddelld_ed: should I disable the applet in git?18:32
_Groo_im taking a look at the kf5 api doc to see what are the proper replacement methods18:32
Peace-Riddell: 18:34
Peace-he following information may help to resolve the situation:18:34
Peace-The following packages have unmet dependencies:18:34
Peace- plasma-widget-veromix : Depends: plasma-scriptengine-python but it is not installable18:34
Peace-always in 15.0418:34
RiddellPeace-: looks like something that should be removed18:42
sitterI thought we had18:43
sitter!info plasma-widget-veromix18:43
ubottuplasma-widget-veromix (source: veromix): Mixer for the PulseAudio sound server (Plasma). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.18.3-1 (utopic), package size 44 kB, installed size 242 kB18:43
sitterapparently not18:43
sitterRiddell: documentation support is making me wanna get drunk :( https://gist.github.com/apachelogger/dc32df5e8a790e32a33f18:44
RiddellPeace-: killed it, thanks18:48
=== tazz_ is now known as tazz
sitter_Groo_:                kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.4),18:51
sitterforgot to remove that on bluedevil18:51
ovidiu-florinRiddell: what happened?19:01
ovidiu-florinRiddell: what do you mean it got hacked?19:04
sitterRiddell: bluedevil isn't in master yet?19:04
sitter*libbluedevil19:05
* sitter pours19:07
sitterfocus los!19:07
* sitter pours shadeslayer a glass of lovely zweigelt19:07
shadeslayerthe what19:08
sittergooglor19:08
* shadeslayer is in no mood for drinking tbh19:08
shadeslayerlooks lovely though19:08
* sitter throws an empty bottle19:09
* shadeslayer ducks19:09
sitterRiddell: pingsies!19:09
sittershadeslayer: is Riddell still in?19:09
shadeslayernope19:10
shadeslayernot that I know of19:10
* sitter threatens with his fist19:10
_Groo_sitter: yeah i did :( can you fix it?19:21
_Groo_if anyone wants, bluez5 is in https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/pbppa/19:21
sitteralready done19:21
_Groo_tested and working19:21
Peace-Riddell: maybe you can help me, i have just compiled baseapps in my home19:25
Peace-now if i open dolphin just compiled it doesn't load the terminal emulator19:25
Peace-the thing you can see if your press F419:26
Peace-in dolphin 19:26
Peace-and it seems to not play even videos 19:26
Peace-is there a way to solve this without to install everything ?19:26
_Groo_however bluez-gstreamer isnt included anymore19:27
Peace-i mean i would like compile just dolphin and then use the system phonon 19:27
_Groo_taking a look to port that one back to utopic19:27
_Groo_so we can have audio goodness with bluez519:27
sitterPeace-: install konsole-kpart or somesuch19:28
Peace-sitter: i have my system fullly installed19:29
Peace-so i have sitter konsole-kpart19:30
sittermaybe it's konsole5-kpart?19:30
Peace-it's the compiled dolphin that is not working 19:30
Peace-sitter: i ahve downloaded kdebaseapps 4.14.2 and here on 15.04 i have kde 4.14.2 19:31
sitterso you need konsole4-kpart19:31
Peace-but why if it's the same version of dolphin 19:31
sitterah19:31
sittermaybe you just built it incorrectly then19:32
Peace-i mean i tried to patch dolphin 19:32
Peace-and the patch works 19:32
Peace-but for some reason doesn't see the system phonon 19:32
Peace-or the terminal part19:32
* Peace- goes to eat something19:33
Peace-sitter: thank you anyway19:33
sitterincorrect build then19:33
sitteri.e. missing some cmake arguments a package build would have19:33
_Groo_bluez5 needs pulseaudio5 for audio... backporting..19:49
Peace-sitter: i did cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr/local .. 19:49
_Groo_this madness never ends19:49
Peace-_Groo_: :D19:49
sitterPeace-: that most certainly needs a whole bunch of env vars set, otherwise it'll likely not find half the stuff19:49
Peace-mmm ok 19:50
Peace-sitter: you mean always in the cmake or launching dolphin ?19:50
sitterlaunching19:50
Peace-perfect 19:50
Peace-let me see if i can find out something on the internt 19:50
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_work
_Groo_pulseaudio 5 backported20:19
_Groo_i hope it works :P20:19
kranzerRiddell: ping20:45
ScottKRiddell: kde-runtime is out of date (still 4:11.97)20:50
ScottKThat may be a factor.20:50
ScottKRiddell: libmarblewidget19 exists in marble 4.14, but not 14.12, so it either needs to be put back or removed I from vivid (I think).20:56
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | KF5 5.5 Status: http://goo.gl/5rMNsD | Applications 14.12.0 Status http://goo.gl/lFQbkR | rick meeting wed 22:00UTC
kranzerRiddell: ping22:42
Riddellhi kranzer 22:46
kranzerRiddell: is there aany task now?22:47
Riddellnone from me22:47
_Groo_im pleased to announce that bluez5 + pulseaudio 5 + bluedevil 5.1.95 _ libbluedevil have been backported and working in https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/pbppa/+packages23:34
_Groo_tested it with bluetooth audio, works like a charm23:34
Riddellooh23:34
Riddellgreat23:35
_Groo_Riddell: test it without fear, wont break anything23:35
_Groo_ofc its pulseaudio so :P but it should be pain free23:35
_Groo_i would add it to ci , since its cutting edge anyway23:35
Riddelland I'm uploading the last of the qt backports23:35
_Groo_Riddell: to ci?23:35
Riddellto kubuntu-ppa/next-staging for now23:36
_Groo_Riddell: can i have a kubuntu email now? :D23:36
Riddell_Groo_: that needs you to be a kubuntu member23:36
Riddell_Groo_: see rick's e-mail to kubuntu-devel 23:36
_Groo_Riddell: do i have a chance?23:36
Riddellhe's organising a meeting to be considered for kubuntu membership23:36
_Groo_Riddell: my time is limited but ive been more active lately23:36
Riddell_Groo_: if you've made a significant and sustained contribution you have23:37
_Groo_Riddell: i didnt do either23:37
_Groo_Riddell: im usually just a big pain in the *ss23:37
Riddelldetails all at https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies#Kubuntu_Teams_.28.28NEW.29.2923:37
_Groo_someone needs to stalk you... i mean motivate you guys23:37
Riddellif you want to try write a wiki page like rick's and come along to the meeting on wednesday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RickTimmis23:38
_Groo_Riddell: ill take a look23:38
_Groo_but anyway, im off for the day, enjoy bluedevil, its working just fine23:39
_Groo_btw we need to bug the touchpad kde dev to fix touchpad.qml23:39
_Groo_its using two removed functions23:39
Riddellrajeeshknambiar@gmail.com  is touchpad kcm guy currently23:40
Riddellalthough he does say "I know nothing about touchpads, just tried to port it to KF5"23:40
_Groo_he doesnt need to know touchpads, it works, its the qml file that is still using kde4, early kf5 code that was removed23:40
_Groo_QIconItem and PlasmaCore.ToolTip23:41
_Groo_qiconitem doesnt exist anymore and tooltip change syntax23:41
_Groo_changed23:41
Riddell"[ubuntu/vivid] marble 4:14.12.0-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)" yay! thanks ScottK 23:42
_Groo_seeya tomorrow ride23:42
_Groo_ridell23:42
_Groo_Riddell: please give a spin to bluez, i would like to see my work merged23:43
_Groo_took me all day23:43
Riddell_Groo_: oh we'll use it for sure, but needs qt then kf5 in first23:47
Riddelland I'm still not sure where we'll put these, if into kubuntu-ppa/next or make a new kubuntu-ppa/next-backports23:47

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