[04:06] <niytro> hi all =)
[04:06] <niytro> just installed lubu 14.04.1 and im excited
[04:07] <niytro> however im facing a few bugs was looking for some help
[04:08] <niytro> i cant seem to open the settings for workspaces to edit them, im clicking show desktop pager settings and nothing happens
[04:28] <holstein> niytro: you are clicking "show desktop" ?
[04:29] <holstein> niytro: it wont do anything if you are already looking at the desktop.. what do you want to have happen?
[04:29] <holstein> !bug | niytro
[04:29] <holstein> if you feel you have a bug, ^
[04:29] <niytro> im clicking desktop pager settings
[04:29] <niytro> and no windows come up
[04:29] <niytro> im unable to remove the second desktop that i dont need
[04:30] <holstein> niytro: it can be tricky, there
[04:30] <holstein> niytro: you dont want *any* other desktops, then?
[04:30] <holstein> i remember actually being able to click around and make that happen..
[04:30] <niytro> holstein, just one is fine, im on older hardware anyway so i never have too many windows open
[04:31] <niytro> i was on 14.10 and a settings box would come up
[04:31] <holstein> niytro: workspaces dont take up resources like that
[04:31] <niytro> but i downgraded to the point release on 04 for the LTS
[04:31] <holstein> niytro: i suggest using 14.04..
[04:31] <niytro> holstein, i didnt think that they did but im saying i dont have enough programs running at any given time to need more than one workspace
[04:31] <niytro> holstein, im on 14.04.1
[04:32] <holstein> niytro: sure, and i feel that, i can poke around in the menu and get rid of my second ont
[04:32] <holstein> one*
[04:32] <holstein> niytro: can you?
[04:32] <niytro> holstein, let me try again
[04:34] <niytro> holstein, okay found it in openbox config manager
[04:34] <niytro> holstein, cool
[04:34] <niytro> holstein, sorry im really new to linux
[04:34] <holstein> niytro: you are using both openbox, and lxde.. openbox is part of lxde
[04:34] <holstein> niytro: no worries.. its not totally clear
[04:34] <niytro> i was unaware
[04:37] <niytro> holstein, okay now I went to default apps for LXSession and im trying to change default launch app for music and videos to VLC, which I installed, but there is no VLC listed
[04:38] <niytro> holstein, I also am unable to change my screen brightness
[04:38] <niytro> holstein, the brightness is an issue
[04:38] <holstein> niytro: screen brightness can be on different keys that you are used to, or related to the gpu driver.. or if your GPU supports linux or not
[04:39] <niytro> holstein, okay well ive tried to google this issue without any luck
[04:40] <holstein> niytro: heres the biggest issue with your screen brightness
[04:40] <holstein> you are not promised by the creator of the hardware that you can control the screen brightness in linux
[04:40] <holstein> niytro: now, it could be *simple*.. could be, the GPU drivers.. have you experiemented with other GPU drivers?
[04:40] <niytro> holstein, this laptop is old, its a toshiba satellite M45-S269
[04:41] <ianorlin> niytro: have you tried xbacklight?
[04:41] <holstein> could be a simple pacakge that the lighter lubuntu doesnt have that main ubuntu wound have
[04:41] <holstein> would*
[04:41] <niytro> i havent tried xbacklight
[04:41] <niytro> actually
[04:41] <niytro> i think i did
[04:41] <niytro> command line only right?
[04:41] <holstein> i refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopSpecialKeys
[04:42] <niytro> okay xbacklight says there are no outputs with backlight property
[04:42] <ianorlin> niytro: I am not sure what I can do for you then
[04:43] <niytro> well that sucks haha
[04:43] <niytro> thanks though
[04:43] <niytro> its like full brightness all the time, bummer
[04:43] <holstein> niytro: there are other ways to set screen brightness
[04:43] <niytro> hows that
[04:44] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149054/how-to-change-lcd-brightness-from-command-line-or-via-script
[04:44] <holstein> you can try that, or, again, explore GPU drivers..
[04:48] <niytro> i just changed a setting and cant figure out where it is again
[04:48] <niytro> to have images next to menu items
[04:49] <niytro> and buttons
[04:50] <niytro> got it
[04:50] <holstein> niytro: i say, experiement with settings in the live iso, and/or the guest account. then you dont have to worry
[04:50] <niytro> well ive decided this is for sure what i want on this machine
[04:50] <niytro> it runs so well
[04:51] <holstein> niytro: sure
[04:51] <niytro> very old laptop that used to run xp
[04:51] <niytro> okay so im going to look at those links for the screen brightness
[04:51] <holstein> niytro: im saying, rather than, getting into the situation where you say "oh, i have pressed a button, and changed a setting, and cant revert, and im having a bad day".. just use the live iso to experiment like you are doing
[04:51] <niytro> and see what i come up with
[04:51] <holstein> or, in the guest account
[04:52] <holstein> the settings are not saved there
[04:52] <niytro> how do i access the guest account
[04:52] <holstein> you can experiment, in both situations, without "breaking" anything permanently
[04:52] <holstein> niytro: you can log into the guest account from the login screen
[04:53] <niytro> okay great
[04:54] <niytro> i really need to figure out this brightness problem
[04:54] <niytro> time to read
[04:56] <holstein> niytro: try the command line
[04:56] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149054/how-to-change-lcd-brightness-from-command-line-or-via-script
[04:56] <holstein> keep in mind, you were promised windows support.. not linux support.. so, you  may have to accept compromise
[05:00] <niytro> i cant stand windows
[05:00] <niytro> and they stopped support for xp anyway
[05:01] <niytro> i love linux im excited to be learning
[05:01] <holstein> niytro: sure.. but "they" promised you xp support.. thats all im saying. "they" are welcome to support linux, but, if they dont, then, you may not have things working "out of the box" like the brightness
[05:01] <niytro> just really want to turn down this brightness so i dont fry my eyes doing so
[05:01] <niytro> oh i seee
[05:01] <holstein> there may be ways to make that work, but, there may not.. but, *all* of linux, and ubuntu and lubuntu are completely open.. not preventing that from working, in any way
[05:02] <niytro> i understand
[05:09] <niytro> holstein, success! changed brightness using xrandr
[05:09] <niytro> holstein, now to figure out how to bind a command to some hotkeys
[05:10] <holstein> niytro: maybe, just take it easy
[05:10] <ianorlin> niytro: it will be ~/.config/openbox
[05:10] <holstein> niytro: think about the arc of how you learned using xp.. and how long you literally just used it "as-is".. try and not land in linux and solve all the worlds problems the first day..
[05:11] <niytro> well nothing else to do at the moment
[05:11] <niytro> but i hear you
[05:11] <niytro> but that makes me so happy
[05:11] <niytro> that was driving me nuts
[05:15] <niytro> hmm also transmission isnt handling magnet links for some reason
[05:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/122930/how-can-i-make-firefox-open-magnet-links-in-transmission
[05:16] <holstein> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1n92el/ubuntuhow_do_i_set_transmission_as_the_default/
[05:16] <holstein> i remember working out a way to do it.. for someone else
[05:32] <niytro> yea when i hit a magnet link it tries to run xdg-open
[05:32] <niytro> or something
[05:33] <niytro> im reading that second page
[05:57] <niytro> holstein, does lubuntu allow to create a "restore point" for recovery later if needed?
[06:17] <niytro> this link fixed the magnet link
[06:17] <niytro> https://www.foresightlinux.se/make-chromium-or-chrome-to-open-magnet-links-in-lxde/
[06:17] <niytro> editing xdg-open
[06:28] <Dresk> Yet another strange bug, the clock on lxpanel stops updating frequently (I have seconds displayed)
[06:28] <Dresk> Not even sure how to kick start it back into gear
[06:29] <Dresk> Hm, it updated after one minute
[06:30] <Dresk> Yeah it only updates on the minute
[06:30] <ianorlin> I have a seen it skip seconds too
[06:30] <Dresk> Googling it I see the bug apparently fixed in 2010
[17:40] <wxl> Dresk: you still around?
[17:40] <Dresk> wxl: Yeah
[17:41] <wxl> Dresk: where we at? questions remain?
[17:42] <Dresk> wxl: Well, stuff's working decently right now, I'm still getting used to upstart and Synaptic, got all my themes working except for Qt5 (only one app I have uses that, Teamspeak, and it has its own isolated Qt5 libs with it), PulseAudio is running but I am having some odd clipping issues with Audacious even with the EQ disabled
[17:43] <wxl> don't get too used to upstart Dresk, given impending systemd ;)
[17:43] <Dresk> wxl: Just lots of things to learn; before I was on Mandriva with RPMs, which I didn't use, I compiled everything, I used ALSA with hardware mixing on a soundcard that supported hardware mixing (and a hardware equalizer)
[17:43] <wxl> Dresk: i don't use pulse. lots of people do, i loathe it.
[17:44] <Dresk> Yeah like, what's up with that, systemd is here to conquer init but, what's upstart doing?
[17:44] <wxl> Dresk: my guess is that upstart will fade away, too.
[17:44] <Dresk> wxl: Well my very advanced Linux friends hate Pulse but say it's here to stay.  Skype also needs Pulse
[17:44] <wxl> Dresk: i use skype with alsa.
[17:45] <Dresk> I don't particularly like Pulse right now, but it's working and the Volume Mixer GUI is very nice
[17:45]  * wxl nods
[17:45] <Dresk> My alternative would be ALSA dmix I guess at this point, I'm not going to use hardware mixing anymore, caused too many random issues
[17:47] <Dresk> I'm debating NOT using Firefox through Synaptic, instead using Firefox's official releases, since I have no idea how quick Ubuntu churns out new versions and what Firefox's own Check for Updates feature does
[17:47] <Dresk> Ah, I see it's disabled
[17:47] <wxl> yeah i find browsers usually lag behind
[17:48] <wxl> i use official google chrome
[17:48] <Dresk> The biggest question I have at this point is, why did I choose Lubuntu over Ubuntu, more importantly, how EXACTLY is it different?  Did they just introduce some packages that added NetworkManager to LXDE?  What else is different as opposed to me running Ubuntu with LXDE?
[17:48] <wxl> the fact that the install results in an addition of a repo makes it sustainable
[17:48] <wxl> similar with virtualbox
[17:48] <wxl> well basically all of the gnome/unity bits are totally removed
[17:49] <wxl> and for the sake of discussion, imagine all the apps are removed
[17:50] <wxl> and then anything required for those pieces are removed
[17:50] <wxl> then throw in lxde
[17:50] <wxl> and use only apps that are lightweight
[17:51] <Dresk> Well what's an example of an app that was cut due to not being lightweight?  Is LibreOffice an example?  I don't know if that comes with Ubuntu by default (with Mandriva I'm accustomed to being asked what I want to install during installation, as opposed to *buntu's setup of no options, just packages afterwards)
[17:52] <wxl> Dresk: yes
[17:52] <wxl> you CAN remove whatever you want and add whatever you want
[17:52] <wxl> so you want libreoffice instead of abiword and gnumeric
[17:52] <wxl> just install one and remove the others
[17:52] <wxl> removing anything that's part of lubuntu will imply removing "lubuntu-desktop" which is just an index file. don't freak out when you see that. just delete it.
[17:55] <Dresk> I have to comment that it's nowhere near as polished as Mandriva; Mandriva has a full control center which centralizes access to everything, including package management, users, power control, compositor, themes for all engines (Gtk, Qt, etc), service management (easily start / stop services, remove them from on boot)
[17:56] <Dresk> So on the one hand I went from compiling everything and living in a terminal but having excellent GUI-based system administration, to full package usage but what I consider a degraded system control UI (no "Control Panel" to start with, an idea I personally like)
[17:58] <Dresk> Oh, one bug that by all accounts should be fixed is that my clock only updates on the minute, despite me having it display the second.  I can randomly jumpstart it by doing properties on lxpanel, but it only updates on the second for a few minutes, then goes back to on the minute
[17:58] <wxl> file a bug on that one
[17:59] <Dresk> This bug was filed back in 2008 independent of Lubuntu, and apparently fully resolved in all edge cases in 2010, so I have no idea how it's happening here
[17:59] <wxl> Dresk: then it could be a regression, and/or lubuntu-specific
[23:23] <nicholas> is lxde good? I might consider switching to it from XFCE
[23:23] <nicholas> can you customize it a lot?
[23:24] <ianorlin> good is personal preference but you have to try it out
[23:24] <ianorlin> yes there are lots of ways to customize it
[23:24] <nicholas> ok
[23:24] <nicholas> are there a lot of customization options?
[23:24] <wxl> what's "a lot?"
[23:24] <wxl> Dresk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/obconf/+bug/1272834/comments/9
[23:25] <wxl> Dresk: that should fix your problems with the desktop page
[23:25] <nicholas> same or greater than xfce
[23:25] <wxl> nicholas: well there's no composition naturally in lxde. is there something specific you're looking for?
[23:26] <Dresk> wxl: I'm guessing your a Lubuntu dev?
[23:26] <nicholas> lightweight, customizable, stable
[23:26] <Dresk> nicholas: compton seems to be the rage for that
[23:27] <Unit193> Compton is good as a compositor, and openbox is rather configurable as long as you don't mind editing config files.
[23:27] <wxl> Dresk: nope
[23:27] <wxl> nicholas: you're using subjective words. i'm looking for something more objective. what specific do you want to change?
[23:27] <Dresk> Hm, experienced some PulseAudio latency on that notification, strange, first time
[23:27] <nicholas> IDK, just getting bored of xfce
[23:28] <Dresk> nicholas: I think you'll find LXDE to be very lightweight and streamlined but with a "Windows 7" pedigree of polish and customization
[23:28] <Dresk> nicholas: LXDE as a derivative of Openbox is lacking in GUI configuration though
[23:28] <nicholas> ok
[23:28] <Unit193> Dresk: It uses openbox as the window manager.
[23:28] <nicholas> I've used openbox standalone before in Crunchbang
[23:29] <Dresk> nicholas: I started out with KDE eons ago, switched to IceWM since it was claimed to be the MOST efficient, switched to Gnome for a bit and have been with LXDE for, 6 years or so now
[23:30] <nicholas> I'm still a n00b at this linux stuff, about 1/2 to 1 year of experience
[23:30] <Dresk> So, anecdotally speaking, I think LXDE has "a lot" of customization for you
[23:30] <nicholas> would lxde be OK for me?
[23:31] <Dresk> Sure
[23:31] <Dresk> http://spidflisk.com/tmp/Linux.Desktop.2014.02.04.png - Here's a screenshot of my LXDE desktop, hasn't changed much since I took it
[23:31] <nicholas> ok, I'll give it a try
[23:31] <Dresk> But that screenshot has me angry now since the font rendering is much smoother than what I have now in Lubuntu, going to speak to wxl about that, heh
[23:31] <nicholas> nice
[23:32] <nicholas> whaqts that thing on the upper right side that shows your cpu etc
[23:32] <nicholas> conky?
[23:32] <Dresk> GKrellM
[23:32] <nicholas> cool
[23:33] <Dresk> So, that's an example of an LXDE desktop, but kind of barebones in what LXDE can do for you
[23:33] <Dresk> Just, nice, consistent theming, I like lxpanel (the bottom bar with the desktops, task manager, clock, tray, etc)
[23:33] <nicholas> sure, I'm downloading it right now on my xubuntu
[23:34] <nicholas> so to start it, do I have to change xorg or something?
[23:35] <Dresk> If you logout you should be able to choose your session at the login screen in the top right
[23:35] <wxl> i use awesome instead of openbox
[23:35] <Dresk> I JUST switched to *buntu 2 days ago, I'm completely new to it
[23:35] <nicholas> ok, got by using "startlxde"
[23:35] <wxl> OH
[23:35] <wxl> thanks for reminding me about that
[23:35] <Dresk> wxl: Alright we gotta figure out what's going on with my font rendering, one sec, let me take a screenshot of my current desktop
[23:36] <nicholas> in lxde, is there a global settings menu?
[23:36] <nicholas> or it just in the menu
[23:36] <wxl> there is no ONE place to do settings nicholas
[23:36] <nicholas> ok TY for the help
[23:36] <Dresk> In a way; lxpanel is the biggest piece of it, but individual lxde apps have their own individual settings
[23:37] <Dresk> nicholas: I do personally prefer KDE's style of a big control panel, but lxde is functioned as a per-app setup
[23:37] <nicholas> ok
[23:37] <nicholas> maybe I'll keep xfwm4, kinda like the themes for it, IDK
[23:43] <nicholas> Anyone know how to change the color of the open window tabs in lxpanel?
[23:45] <Dresk> Not sure if you can
[23:45] <nicholas> ok, is there like a gui openbox settings?
[23:47] <Dresk> Right-click anywhere in the panel and click Panel Settings
[23:47] <nicholas_> ok
[23:47] <Dresk> That's where you configure "lxpanel" itself, without getting into the individual components
[23:47] <Dresk> wxl: You still here?
[23:47] <nicholas_> yeh
[23:47] <nicholas_> sorry accidently closed my irc
[23:47] <nicholas_> LOL
[23:49] <nicholas_> oh nvm
[23:50] <nicholas_> any gui openbox setttings?
[23:50] <Dresk> Not sure what you mean by that?  obconf is still pertinent
[23:51] <nicholas_> ohh found it