[06:15] <pitti> Good morning
[06:29] <larsu> good morning!
[06:42] <didrocks> morning
[06:42] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[06:43] <darkxst> hey didrocks larsu
[06:43] <didrocks> morning larsu, hey darkxst!
[06:44] <larsu> hi darkxst
[06:44] <larsu> Monday \o/
[06:44] <darkxst> Monday night here!
[06:44] <larsu> you're lucky!
[06:45] <larsu> looks like night here as well, so I could pretend
[06:45] <larsu> and just go to bed now
[06:51] <darkxst> seb128, Laney, didrocks pitti: curious if was to apply for -desktop team would I have your support now?
[06:54] <didrocks> darkxst: I didn't sponsor a lot of your work, so would let other voting, but I guess you mostly shall apply :)
[06:58] <darkxst> didrocks, true, you probably spend more time reviewing our MIR
[06:58] <darkxst> s
[07:01] <didrocks> yep ;)
[07:31] <SURESH> Can any one tell me how to start contribute to Ubuntu
[07:33] <didrocks> SURESH: hey, I would start reading this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[07:33] <didrocks> there are many ways of contributing to ubuntu and I guess most of them are listed there
[08:11] <larsu> ochosi: just attached a patch to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742181
[08:11] <ochosi> morning larsu
[08:12] <larsu> morning :)
[08:12] <ochosi> nice monday morning surprise :)
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi desktopperz!
[08:12] <didrocks> hey ochosi, LocutusOfBorg1
[08:12] <ochosi> hey didrocks
[08:13] <ochosi> (and everyone else)
[08:20] <didrocks> happyaron: hey! do you mind changing the status of the bugs on the fcitx MIR? Most of them are still incomplete, while you assigned them to me, so it's not clear if those are ready or still needs work
[08:21] <happyaron> didrocks: how should I change them?
[08:23] <didrocks> happyaron: NEW or Confirmed are fine, just avoid Incomplete and Fix committed :)
[08:23] <ochosi> seb128: whenever you're around and have a minute for xdg-utils, lemme know
[08:23] <happyaron> didrocks: IIRC the only fix committed was set by you, but I'm not sure what does it mean
[08:23] <happyaron> I can change other ones
[08:24] <ochosi> seb128: basically i wanna check whether you're ok with pulling the latest version from upstream and whether i can be of any help with that
[08:24] <ochosi> seb128: xdg-screensaver, to be exact
[08:24] <didrocks> happyaron: right, that one is fine, I validated it. I'm just speaking about the "incomplete" ones that needs to be changed
[08:24] <happyaron> ok
[08:24] <didrocks> thx!
[08:31] <happyaron> didrocks: done, :)
[08:32] <didrocks> thanks!
[08:33] <happyaron> I should thank you, :)
[08:40] <mlankhorst> ok transfer functions fixed hopefully
[08:54] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I should have a less corrupt Xmir for arm soon hopefully
[08:54] <willcooke> mlankhorst, nice!  Thanks!
[08:54] <willcooke> good morning all
[08:54] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:56] <larsu> hi!
[08:56] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[09:04] <Laney> hey hey
[09:08] <darkxst> hey Laney
[09:08] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:09] <Laney> darkxst: I think so, some time ago I would have been worried that you would forget Ubuntu specific stuff, but seems better now
[09:09] <Laney> hey darkxst & didrocks ;-)
[09:09] <Laney> good weekends?
[09:09] <darkxst> Laney, no bad weekend, dug 12m of trenches some of that in the rain ;(
[09:10] <darkxst> next weekend will be better! off to the mountains
[09:10] <Laney> sounds like punishment for a crime
[09:10] <darkxst> Laney, no, but need to get power, water and sewer into shed
[09:12] <darkxst> and cheaper for me to dig, than the plumber doing it
[09:12] <didrocks> Laney: was good, yeah
[09:12] <didrocks> yourself?
[09:13] <Laney> not bad thanks
[09:13] <Laney> lunch at the cafe down the road (in a converted shipping container, cool!), painted the kitchen again, climbing, friends for dinner
[09:14]  * darkxst thinks Laney should come to Arapiles ;) 
[09:16]  * Laney looks it up
[09:17] <darkxst> Laney, it is basically the climbing mecca for trad atleast, in austrailia
[09:18] <darkxst> and perhaps the world?
[09:20] <darkxst> 2000 climbs withing 10mins walk from camp ;)
[09:21] <Laney> nice
[09:21] <Laney> I've only done trad a couple of times
[09:21] <Laney> sport a few more, but usually bouldering
[09:27] <mlankhorst> bah another reason for the transfer functions to fail..
[09:27] <mlankhorst> Mesa: User error: GL_INVALID_OPERATION in glReadPixels(invalid format GL_ALPHA and/or type GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE)
[09:43] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, getting the most recent version/merging with debian would be useful, if you want to do it please feel free
[09:44] <ochosi> seb128: right, my packaging/syncing skills are next to 0, i could probably pull in the script from debian and propose that as a merge-request
[09:44] <ochosi> if that would be helpful
[09:44] <seb128> ochosi, well if you don't feel like doing the merge you can submit the change you need only and let the merge to somebody else
[09:46] <ochosi> right, i thought that maybe it's easier to get the change once the sync is done
[09:47] <larsu> Laney: morning!
[09:47] <larsu> Laney: what's the gtk situation? The one in vivid seems different from the one in ~ubuntu-desktop
[09:48]  * larsu wants to MR some patches
[09:48] <ochosi> seb128: we could start with dropping this superfluous patch that duplicates code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xdg-utils/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/xserver-blanking.diff
[09:49] <ochosi> that was seemingly merged already but is still carried as a patch
[09:50] <Laney> larsu: looks the same to me
[09:50] <Laney> laney@vivid:~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gtk+3.0/build-area/archive$ debdiff ../gtk+3.0_3.14.6-0ubuntu1.dsc gtk+3.0_3.14.6-0ubuntu1.dsc dpkg-source: warning: extracting unsigned source package (/home/laney/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gtk+3.0/build-area/gtk+3.0_3.14.6-0ubuntu1.dsc)
[09:51] <Laney> laney@vivid:~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gtk+3.0/build-area/archive$
[09:51] <Laney> oho, maybe I didn't push
[09:51] <Laney> try that
[09:51] <seb128> ochosi, does that create any issue?
[09:52] <ochosi> seb128: no, it just removes code that is in the bash script twice. i'll send you the MR in a minute then you'll see...
[09:52] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, I saw it when we discussed it previous cycle
[09:52] <seb128> it just that it was not important enough to justify an upload by itself
[09:53] <seb128> which is probably still the case
[09:53] <ochosi> yeah
[09:53] <seb128> we should clean that out if we upload for any other reason though
[09:53] <seb128> and yes please mp it, so it's tracked
[09:53] <ochosi> but it's important enough to merge it in imo
[09:53] <ochosi> and i'll have at least one more MR for xdg-screensaver this cycle
[09:53] <ochosi> (light-locker gained fd.org screensaver dbus support)
[09:56] <seb128> right
[09:56] <ochosi> seb128: i hope it's ok that i directly put you down as a reviewer
[09:56] <seb128> sure you can, but ubuntu-sponsors would be better
[09:57] <seb128> well, I can approv that one, not sure if I've slots for merging xdg-utils this week
[09:57] <seb128> so sure, I can approve, I'm maybe not going to upload though
[09:57] <ochosi> ok, that'd be fine
[09:58] <ochosi> i'll take a look whether there's more in upstream
[09:58] <seb128> thanks
[10:25] <larsu> *giggle* "Since there are no words, ..."
[10:28] <larsu> Laney: probably this is what he meant (saves a compare and is more consistent with the rest of the function)
[10:29] <Laney> I guess so
[10:29] <Laney> took a few minutes to work it out
[10:31] <larsu> ya, he could have been a bit more verbose on that...
[10:32] <Laney> ah well
[10:44] <Laney> grr
[10:44] <Laney> chromium keeps falsely (I think) claiming that tabs have gone unresponsive
[10:44] <Laney> it pops up a dialog to tell you this
[10:44] <Laney> anyone else seeing something like that?
[10:47] <Cimi> Wellark, hey! hello :)
[10:51] <willcooke> Laney, hmm, I saw a couple of those over the weekend
[10:51] <Laney> happens all the time
[10:51] <Laney> if I pick 'wait' and go to the tab it always seems fine
[10:51] <willcooke> oh, no it's not that bad for me
[10:52] <willcooke> Version 39.0.2171.65 Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit)
[10:52] <Laney> but it's annoying enough that I just kill it and then refresh when I want to actually use it again
[10:52] <Laney> Version 39.0.2171.65 Ubuntu 15.04 (64-bit)
[10:52] <Laney> which is fine because I use firefox for real browsing. :P
[10:52] <willcooke> :)
[10:53] <Laney> "STOP SLACKING ON TWEETDECK"
[10:54] <willcooke> ;)
[10:55] <Laney> but it doesn't seem to happen when the tab is focused
[10:55] <Laney> so actually it's telling me to look more
[10:55] <Laney> i am confuse
[10:56] <willcooke> Do you have any extensions installed?  (Grasping at straws here)
[10:56] <larsu> Trevinho: I don't understand your comment. What's a "list of applications for each app id"? App ids are supposed to be unique
[10:56] <Laney> yeah, some
[10:56] <larsu> Trevinho: good catch on the missing free, thanks!
[10:56] <Laney> I'll see if there is some way to get debugging info out next time it happens
[10:56] <Trevinho> larsu: yes, but keeping track of the relation app-id -> desktop file
[10:57] <Trevinho> larsu: you can baiscally rematch the new windows quickly
[10:57] <larsu> Trevinho: it's supposed to be the same
[10:57] <Trevinho> indeed, so we don't need to do all the checks to figure out what 's their partent app
[10:57] <Trevinho> parent*
[10:57] <larsu> not sure I understand...
[10:58]  * larsu doesn't know a lot about bamf ;)
[10:58] <Trevinho> well, if we save the app-id for each application (if present), then when a new window gets opened, we can do as a first check: let's see if we already know this window app id, and if we do, let's just set it as a child of an already known app
[10:59] <Trevinho> however, this is just optimization, probably
[10:59] <larsu> ah, right
[10:59] <Trevinho> so we can skip it if we don't have matching issues
[11:00] <larsu> I'll leave that to you ;)
[11:00] <Trevinho> :)
[11:02] <larsu> Trevinho: pushed a fix for the leak. Thanks!
[11:02] <Trevinho> np
[11:03] <Trevinho> and thank you for the branch
[11:06] <larsu> yw
[11:08] <Trevinho> larsu: ah, can you also apply http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9717822/ or ci-train won't love it
[11:12] <larsu> Trevinho: uh not this again
[11:13] <larsu> Trevinho: pushed. Thanks for reminding me.
[11:30] <Laney> I always mess up quilt and git when working with full source packages
[11:30] <Laney> raargh
[11:30] <Laney> quilt buildpackage -S # no thanks
[11:39] <mlankhorst> willcooke: can you test https://mblankhorst.nl/etc/Xmir on your phone? I *think* i fixed all corruption..
[11:42] <mlankhorst> I know, a bold claim..
[11:56] <willcooke> mlankhorst, :)
[11:59] <willcooke> mlankhorst, looks good so far :)
[12:00] <mlankhorst> goodie
[12:02] <mlankhorst> all corruption etc gone?
[12:02] <willcooke> mlankhorst, certainly the issues I saw in LO
[12:02] <willcooke> haven't tried any gnome apps yet...
[12:03] <mlankhorst> oke
[12:10] <willcooke> Kerblamo!  Crashed Mir :D
[12:22] <mlankhorst> yeah I get that too, might be from having a buggy mir snapshot..
[12:24] <mlankhorst> looks like there's a new mir release in vivid though, so it might no longer be needed
[12:29] <willcooke> ack
[12:29] <willcooke> food time
[12:29] <mlankhorst> good :) I'll test with mir 0.10
[12:55] <didrocks> happyaron: did you check the packages you turned back from incomplete to confirmed? There has been no fix released in ubuntu
[12:56] <didrocks> happyaron: it's already the second that I find in that state, will turn then back, and readd the same comment has no upload was done :/
[12:59] <willcooke> qengho, anyone, does Chrome exist for ARM?
[13:01] <Laney> laney@iota> rmadison -s vivid chromium-browser                                                                                             ~ chromium-browser | 39.0.2171.65-0ubuntu1.1108 | vivid/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386
[13:01] <Laney> looks like it is built at least ...
[13:02]  * Laney spots a typo in rmadison's manpage
[13:02]  * Laney assumes nobody will mind if he fixes it directly in git (H)
[13:03] <willcooke> ah, I need specifically Chrome
[13:03] <willcooke> I am assuming it doesnt exist publically
[13:06] <Laney> https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/main/binary-armhf/Packages doesn't exist
[13:09] <willcooke> thx Laney
[13:29] <mlankhorst> willcooke: good news is that the updates to mir should obsolete my hacky version, just flash a new version and re-enable ppa again.. I'm testing if theory matches reality
[13:36] <mlankhorst> looks like a small test confirms it
[13:38] <willcooke> mlankhorst, nice work!  Ok, I will get another video out this afternoon, and then I will upgrade and test
[13:55] <mlankhorst> ok upgrade seems to work as it should
[13:57] <qengho> willcooke: There is no discrete Google Chrome for ARM, but we build chromium-browser for armhf. That is a reason we don't have a flash player for ARM. There IS a ChromeOS for ARM, of course. There's a Chrome in that!
[14:09] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: since screenshots btw ;)
[14:11] <desrt> hi humans
[14:11] <didrocks> hey desrtmachina!
[14:11] <pitti> killallhumans! killallhumans!
[14:11] <desrt> woh woh woh
[14:12] <pitti> err, I mean, hello desrt, how are you? :-)
[14:12]  * desrt isn't that kind of machine
[14:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I just bumped 4.4.0~rc2 for vivid to the prereleases ppa, now wading through the MIR and debian sync galore for packages where I still use internal versions. I will likely come around with a list of candidates in the next days. prepare for impact ;)
[14:12] <desrt> actually, wait
[14:12]  * desrt isn't a machine!
[14:12] <pitti> desrt: more like a Dalek one?
[14:12] <didrocks> exterminate!
[14:12] <desrt> pitti: not good, but things are about to get better
[14:12] <pitti> desrt: ugh -- the plague struck?
[14:12]  * desrt just poured coffee
[14:12] <pitti> aaah
[14:12]  * didrocks is happy to see pitti starting to get DW references ;)
[14:13] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, it is a screen shot, sort of.
[14:13] <willcooke> ;p
[14:13] <pitti> didrocks: I'm through the first season now
[14:13] <didrocks> pitti: the best is yet to come! ;)
[14:13] <didrocks> enjoy particularly season 2 to <…> (no spoiler :p)
[14:14] <Sweet5hark> desrt: one does have to be a machine to be a misanthrop ;)
[14:14] <desrt> Sweet5hark: does or does not?
[14:14] <Sweet5hark> whops, s/does/does not/
[14:14]  * desrt is an anthropophile!
[14:15] <desrt> (is that a thing?)
[14:15] <Sweet5hark> desrt: only in esperanto
[14:15] <desrt> definitely not an esperanto word :)
[14:16] <desrt> would probably be 'homemulo' or something
[14:16] <Sweet5hark> desrt: make it one! didnt everyone squeeze something of their language into it? why shouldnt you?
[14:17] <desrt> Sweet5hark: in practice, yes, but that tends to happen at a different level -- and it also tends to effect everyone who is a second-speaker of any language
[14:18] <desrt> little bits of grammar or sentence-formation logic or even figure of expression creep in
[14:59] <willcooke> Anyone know a reason why Ubuntu might not work on a 4k display?  (Just asking, some people are going to be trying it out, and they have my mobile number if it doesnt work :) )
[15:00] <ochosi> graphic cards/drivers? (just a guess)
[15:05] <qengho> willcooke: bandwidth of cables? That's a lot of data. The cable that works for Other Display might not be good enough.
[15:06] <willcooke> thx ochosi qengho
[15:07] <qengho> I'm booting to fresh Vivid. No SSH or IRC client creds over there. Back in a bit.
[15:13] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I've also uploaded the changes to ppa, and proposed my glamor fixes to upstream
[15:16] <willcooke> mlankhorst, great stuff, thank you
[16:00] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, ok, noted ;-)
[16:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ;)
[16:01] <seb128> desrt, speaking of esperanto, have you seen that duolingo is adding support for learning it?
[16:01] <desrt> yup
[16:01] <desrt> a friend of mine is one of those working on it
[16:01] <seb128> nice
[16:01] <desrt> they're having the most ridiculous arguments right now
[16:01] <desrt> in true esperanto style :)
[16:02] <desrt> like whether the months should have capitals
[16:28] <didrocks> have a good evening! have to go early today to see the doctor
[16:29] <Laney> good luck!
[16:39] <mlankhorst> good luck
[16:39] <mhall119> willcooke: is there any specific hardware that is being targeted for the Unity 8 desktop images?
[16:42] <willcooke> mhall119, no, not really
[16:42] <willcooke> mhall119, but
[16:43] <willcooke> AIUI, Mir needs Intel gfx atm
[16:43] <willcooke> plus a touch screen
[16:43] <willcooke> you can manage without the touch screen actually
[16:45] <mhall119> willcooke: thanks, I'm really intersted in showing it off with a touch screen
[16:46] <mhall119> FWIW, my wife's Asus X202E ran it perfectly
[16:59] <Laney> larsu: Just uploaded gtk 3.14.7, please pull your branch again
[17:08] <mhall119> willcooke: I love the XMir videos, is that someting that's going to be working out-of-the-both in the Ubuntu Next images?
[17:09] <willcooke> mhall119, I'm throwing some ideas around in my head about that atm
[17:09] <willcooke> I'm not sure it's ready for the big time yet
[17:09] <willcooke> but also, it would be *reallllly* nice to have it there
[17:10] <mhall119> yeah, but the point of Ubuntu Next is to land things "not ready for the big time" isn't it?
[17:10] <willcooke> true dat
[17:10] <willcooke> seb128, mlankhorst, any thoughts?  ^^
[17:12] <seb128> willcooke, though on?
[17:12] <seb128> the next image is built from the archive atm
[17:12] <seb128> so we don't include non-merged code
[17:13] <seb128> mhall119, ^
[17:13] <willcooke> seb128, right, so should we move xmir out of ppa?
[17:13] <seb128> correct
[17:17] <seb128> or discuss making next more experimental and use ppas and such
[17:41] <willcooke> seb128, interesting idea.  Make Desktop Next truly bleeding edge.  We risk ending up with stable/unstable versions and the hell therein
[17:42] <willcooke> or we just say "Desktop next is perma-testing, you want to play then go for it, but it will probably break"
[17:42] <willcooke> which is kinda where we are now
[17:42] <willcooke> (just thinking out loud)
[17:42] <willcooke> Well, I'm up for it
[17:57] <desrt> must... resist... urge... to .... kill..... self.....
[17:58] <desrt> the combined contents of the 'notes' 'limitations and caveats' 'dealing with rename events' and 'bugs' sections of the manpage for inotify are enough to send the reader into a deep depression
[18:11] <popey> willcooke: your guys work hit phoronix ㋛
[18:11] <popey> (again)
[18:15] <Laney> IMHO it'd be good to put stuff in the Ubuntu archive often as long as it mostly works
[18:15] <Laney> PPAs for really experimental stuff
[18:15]  * Laney → EOD though, ttylé
[18:37] <willcooke> cheers Laney
[18:37] <willcooke> popey, cool, thanks.
[18:37]  * willcooke checks
[18:42] <willcooke> woot
[19:45] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I think xmir is too experimental right now
[19:45] <willcooke> fair enough I reckon
[19:45] <mlankhorst> I mean it will work with mesa, probably even kms_swrast
[19:46] <mlankhorst> but it's not at a point where it's usable for everyone :P
[19:51] <willcooke> I think that's a good call
[19:52] <ChrisTownsend> Besides, Xmir windows on the Unity8 desktop are nearly useless because 1) They don't resize and 2) Mouse input is busted.
[19:52] <mlankhorst> well that was the main reason ;-)
[19:53] <ChrisTownsend> Yep
[19:53] <mlankhorst> I think I will still add rotation/reflection support and leave it there, without input I can't do much more
[19:53] <ChrisTownsend> Just thought I'd add my 2 cents for the record.:)
[19:53] <willcooke> :)
[19:53] <mlankhorst> ChrisTownsend: oh and lack of arbitrary cursors
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Yeah, and that too.
[19:54] <willcooke> jeez, you guys are picky
[19:54] <willcooke> ;p
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[19:55] <mlankhorst> but I think the glamor backend is pretty solid now :P
[20:14]  * willcooke -> eod