[00:44] hows it going [01:37] Hey everyone [01:41] I just install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 2013 that has a broken screen. Now I am stuck on "the first time user-Chose a Language screen" and can not select anything because the screen and digitizer are broken. I tried plugging in a mouse with a OTG cable but no mouse cursor appears. Any Ideas? === duflu_ is now known as duflu [01:46] BrokenScreen: you're going to need a working Nexus 7. Ubuntu doesn't support mice on phone or tablet. [01:48] oh bummer... Thank you for the reply... [01:48] So there is absolutely nothing I can do yeah? [01:49] Not that I know of. [01:49] Once convergence is in (post 16.04), mouse should work. [01:52] What is Convergence? [01:54] Can you not boot to the Nexus 7 into fastboot mode, like the Nexus 4 by holding down the power and volume buttons and then re-load android? [01:57] BrokenScreen: convergence is when Unity 8 is running on phone, tablet, and desktop and you can just choose your preferred interface. [01:57] netlore: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=how+to+enter+fastboot+mode+nexus+7&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 [01:57] Oh I have multirom manger and daul-booting cyanogenmod and Ubuntu touch [01:58] The Cyanogenmod works great...Its the Ubuntu touch I would like to use though [01:59] BrokenScreen: Ubuntu requires a touchscreen on tablets. [01:59] You can try vivid/proposed, but I haven't heard anything about that being different. [02:00] ah i see so I need to get convergence to load so that I can choose my desired input method yeah? [02:00] Not quite, you need to wait convergence to be developed.. [02:01] No. When Unity 8 is convergence-enabled, you will be able to use a mouse and keyboard just like you do on the desktop. [02:01] netlore has it right. [02:02] Actually being able to use the mouse in tablet mode would be useful too... you certainly can in android. [02:03] Oh I get what your saying.... Have you seen the Changelog for vivid-proposed? I guess I will try it and hope for the best! :-) [02:04] I completely agree netlore... [02:04] I'm not sure vivid is working at the moment, although I expect it's going to be fixed by the end of the month. [02:05] it is always a good Idea to have several options of interface input.... [02:06] Really? I have vivid installed right now on my nexus 7 [02:06] is there a new release for stable tomorrow? [02:07] I am not sure. I downloaded and installed it from the multiROM interface... [02:09] MultiROM has a list of possible builds you can install and Vivid was one of them. As was Vivid-Proposed [02:09] netlore: they don't schedule stable releases. They only release when it is stable. [02:10] BrokenScreen: it's broken. No one's working on it right now. Main development is focused on stable, which is an alias for ubuntu-rtm/14.09 [02:11] oh ok. I will try reinstalling a different build from the list [02:14] Good luck! But you'll still need a working touchscreen. [02:18] :-) Thank you for all your help! I will try a different build... if it does not work I will just wait for Convergence I suppose.... [02:21] I am new to Ubuntu Touch... Is There any way that I can make a request for mouse input to be put into futer builds? [02:22] You can file a wishlist request, but it is already planned for 16.10. [02:23] Oh Sweet! :-) For future reference though how do I go about fileing a wishlist request? [02:24] Also do you know how a noob like myself can help the project? [02:25] You can file a bug against http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch/ [02:25] As for helping, phones are pretty complicated, but you can always learn how to develop software, and you can always help write documentation. [02:28] I noticed something weird... I created a new folder in /home/phablet and it's not visible when connecting by MTP... [02:29] Cool Thank you. I will keeping on learning... take care my friends [02:29] I haven't done a ton of testing with NTP. [02:29] BrokenScreen: I wish you the best of luck. :) === zhxt_ is now known as zhxt [05:07] !devices | optrusty [05:07] optrusty: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [05:09] What about porting it [06:25] http://youtu.be/wqYEH3MUC3w How does he "seamlessly" switch between Desktop and Tablet/Phone mode? Is there a key combination or is the video edited? [07:04] sturmflut-work: it's something he's doing with his private branch on his computer. It's not merged yet as far as I know. [07:05] nhaines: Ah, that explains it. The only way to switch between interfaces I knew was via command line === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [09:31] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Off Your Desk Day! :-D === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === _salem is now known as salem_ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:54] hi i want to install ubuntu on an android tablet, So from where I can download ubuntu os image for tablet === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:00] popey, did you ever try to get touch running on your x86 tablet? [13:00] no, its hard [13:00] also, need porting guide updating [13:00] *hint* ogra_ rsalveti ☻ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:01] i hear touch runs great on a nokia 3310 === greyback_ is now known as greyback [13:01] any x86 tablet that runs android that you can download and build the android side? [13:01] but yeah, porting guide needs love [13:02] rsalveti: not tried tbh [13:02] I have a pegatron made x86 tablet which is pretty decent [13:02] there's a lot of them about === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:29] am i gonna be old gray-bearded man before I get my hands on ubuntu phone? [13:30] srsly. [13:30] depends [13:30] are you old and grey-bearded already? [13:30] popey, no haha [13:30] Yay! You could be in luck then! [13:31] popey, arghhh. that's whta popey always says. frigging hope and wait. [13:31] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february [13:31] seen that? ☻ [13:32] popey, :) yeah. no I ve seen that [13:32] but I want something more higher-spec. [13:32] patience ☻ [13:33] im willing to pay iphone-like price, but I want a nice juicy specs [13:33] popey, also -im in states [13:33] popey, if it's not sold here - it's not sold anywhere [13:34] lol [13:35] If the BQ Aquaris with Ubuntu will really be priced at less than 150 €, I will certainly get one despite already owning a Nexus 4 and a Nexus 5. [13:36] SturmFlut, " US plans are yet to be divulged, and it’s not clear if it will be Bq, Meizu or an as yet unannounced partner jumping through the hoops required to launch a cellular device there." [13:36] sigh [13:37] danrik: Can't you just import the device from Europe if necessary? I get stuff from the US and China all the time and 150 € is probably below customs limitations [13:38] SturmFlut, naah. I probably can. but I really-really want higher-spec phone though. [13:38] sturmflut-work, yeah. i buy stuff from china all the time too. [13:40] danrik: Sadly the Nexus 5 is not an officially supported device at the moment. It still has pretty decent hardware by todays standards [13:40] sturmflut-work, and being permanently on EDGE only then ? [13:40] i think those phones will be sold out directly [13:41] the bq doesnt support the US frequencies [13:41] ogra_: Ouch, right. Stupid frequencies [13:41] so you have the choice between edge and wifi [13:42] I'm happy with my Nexus 4 running Ubuntu Phone BTW === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:32] abeato: hi, do you have a minute ? i have rebuilt android following the instructions you gave me before the holidays and it is working well. however i have a problem rebuilding the ubuntu part (hybris etc) for the device [14:32] mandel, welcome back! ever figure out the problem with the fix-pause branch? [14:34] nerochiaro, I do not remember that, are you sure you asked me? can try to help anyway :) [14:36] abeato: maybe you were just participating in that convo and i was mainly talking to someone else, sorry. basically i am not sure how i can rebuild the stuff in the /ubuntu directory for the device. should i just copy the whole thing to the device and run debuild on it ? === karni is now known as karni-afk [14:37] nerochiaro, no, the hybris parts are built too when you build the image [14:39] abeato: so when running ./afterbuild/ubuntu_way/replace-android-system.sh they are already installed on the device, and when i rebuild something that uses them, such as for example qtubuntu-camera, I will have the right libraries and headers already ? [14:41] nerochiaro, right, the hybris libraries should be there already, although you will have to install the development libraries, should be part of the build-deps of that package [14:43] abeato: yes, but if i added functions to hybris then I will have to rebuild at least the -dev packages and reinstall them [14:44] nerochiaro, that's right, to clarify things take into account that hybris has an Android side an a Ubuntu side [14:44] the first one is built when you build the android image [14:45] nerochiaro, the ubuntu part is in a .deb that needs to be build apart [14:45] if you are modifying the api you need to rebuild both parts [14:49] abeato: ok, trying that === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [15:01] abeato, hi, I was working on the tech switch (mtk settings) in u-s-s and I have a question. Is the ofono manager supposed to emit modemremoved/added after you make the switch? [15:02] abeato, I was thinking yes, and I remember seeing that before the holidays, but now I don't. [15:03] jgdx, hmm, I think those event won't be generated, what you will see is changes on the Online property probably [15:04] jgdx, but you can use monitor-ofono script to get all emitted signals [15:04] abeato, right, thanks. Online on Modem, not ConnMan I guess? [15:04] jgdx, right === mpt_ is now known as mpt [15:12] Where is the code for the first-run setup these days, now that it’s no longer part of ubuntu-system-settings? [15:13] ( says that it’s still part of ubuntu-system-settings) [15:16] hrmm, what package to file a bug against for the sdk, exactly? [15:17] since ubuntu-sdk is a metapackage from ubuntu-touch-meta [15:18] mpt, unity8 for vivid, if your refering to the wizard [15:18] jgdx, yes indeed, thank you [15:20] (Hmmm, interesting choice for something you only ever use once to be in shell code … but anyway) [15:25] sergiusens, can you help paulliu decipher his flashing issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/9718940/ ? [15:26] sergiusens: the program just exists after the EOF. But in browser I can see that file as a PGP Signature. [15:29] Can anyone help to repair it: "Failed to execute /init" ? :) === salem_ is now known as _salem [15:34] Which programming languages can I create ubuntu apps in? [15:34] ubuntu phone. [15:34] qt/qml, c++... [15:34] some people have even submitted python and java apps to the store === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [15:43] kenvandine, yes! will ping you in a few mins to get a review :) [15:43] mandel, awesome, thanks! [15:43] kenvandine, no problem, nothing like being away from the machine for a while to get things right [15:44] :) [15:45] paulliu: wget of https://system-image.ubuntu.com/gpg/image-signing.tar.xz.asc works fine? [15:46] sergiusens: yes. looks good. [15:46] sergiusens: what's the next step after this? [15:47] paulliu: can you make sure everything in ~/.ubuntuimages is ownd by your user? [15:48] sergiusens: ~/.cache/ubuntuimages? [15:48] paulliu: yes [15:48] sergiusens: let me check [15:50] sergiusens: looks good. I noticed there are some _lock file. [15:50] sergiusens: should I delete those _lock? I didn't run anything now. [15:52] paulliu: yes, please delete them [15:54] sergiusens: it works. Thanks a lot. [15:54] kenvandine, what github revno does vivid libqofono correspond to? [15:54] paulliu: np [15:56] jgdx, i'm not sure [15:58] kenvandine, if it's whatever version was master head in June, we might need to update libqofono to fix the issue we discussed [15:58] cool [15:59] talked to a guy over at nemomobile who said they fixed that issue in #66 [16:00] jibel, re bug #1409728, is that on rtm or vivid? [16:00] bug 1409728 in webbrowser-app "webapps do not recover correctly from OOM conditions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409728 [16:00] (or both?) [16:01] oSoMoN, RTM, sorry, I didn't add the versions, I'll update the report. [16:01] jibel, thanks, I’ll look into it === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:03] I am porting UT to HTC phone, maybe someone can help with some tips? I can trying and searching, any idea can help. I still get this error: "Failed to execute /init" , or how can I debug what is bad? [16:14] kenvandine, can I do the libqofono import? [16:14] update the package? [16:14] let me do that... i can give you a package to build === karni-afk is now known as karni [16:17] jibel, how do I "Make the device run out of memory"? do you know of an app that is a huge memory consumer? [16:17] oSoMoN: G+ [16:17] open a bunch of webapps, game webapps for example [16:17] ah, thanks, will try that [16:18] oSoMoN, open several webapps, + the webbrowser with websites like euronews [16:19] oSoMoN, or sudo python3 -c from time import sleep; a='X'*500*2**20; sleep(10000)" === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader [16:25] oSoMoN: install the g+ app and scroll down 3 pages and then open a link === _salem is now known as salem_ [16:40] dobey: it depends on what sort of problems did you find. the Tools related bugs are managed here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu [16:40] jgdx, ok... doing a test build of 0.70 with our patches [16:41] dobey: and if you found something related to the UI toolkit then here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit [16:41] jgdx, looks like quite a few fixes since our last package update [16:45] jibel, I can’t reproduce, webapps seem to recover correctly here [16:47] oSoMoN, i just need to play any embedded youtube video in the G+ app ... after 2-3min it just turns into a white screen [16:47] ogra_, and then switching to another webapp doesn’t load it properly? [16:48] or scroll down G+ to the end like 5-6 times (so it loads more and more entries to the list and at some point it falls over in the same way) [16:49] do you mean the other app or G+ ? [16:49] the other app is usually SIGKILLed and starts properly when i switch to it [16:49] G+ doesnt [16:50] ok, just managed to get G+ to hang on a blank page [16:51] that’s a slightly different issue to the one filed by jibel though === salem_ is now known as _salem [16:52] closing and re-opening G+ does the trick, FWIW (but it should definitely recover by itself) [16:59] kenvandine, yeah, tons rather [17:01] kenvandine, do you have a link to the uitk input mask issue? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [17:03] jgdx, bug 1357548 [17:03] bug 1357548 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[settings] Empty PIN/password/passphrase field appears to contain 4 characters" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357548 [17:05] abeato: you previous suggestion worked well, thanks for the help. one more thing if you have a moment: do you know how I can see the log produced by the ALOG* macros ? [17:06] kenvandine, thanks [17:07] nerochiaro, np, most files on the Android side contain a macro called LOG_NDEBUG , you can uncomment it for the files for which you want to see traces === _salem is now known as salem_ [17:07] kenvandine, ah, you answered already [17:10] abeato: this is on the ubuntu side, inside hybris [17:11] nerochiaro, hmm, anyway, should be the same if the are using the ALOG macros, output should go through logcat [17:14] jgdx, lp:~ken-vandine/+junk/libqofono-0.70 [17:14] jgdx, there's a build failure though... but i need to step away for a bit [17:22] abeato: i added "#define LOG_NDEBUG 0" to the top of the source file i want to log from, but still not getting it logged to logcat [17:28] bzoltan: ah ok. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1409815 i got stuck poking at some other stuff on friday and forgot to file the bug. [17:28] Launchpad bug 1409815 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Manifest file with invalid syntax reported as missing" [Undecided,New] [17:28] nerochiaro, might be apparmor permission issue [17:40] dobey: super, thanks. I will start with that tomorrow morning === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [17:53] Anyone else finding battery life very inconsistent? [17:56] on what? [17:57] Ubuntu touch on Nexus 4 [17:58] i know on my n5 that i have wifi enabled, the battery discharges *much* faster :-/ [18:02] Will try it without wifi thanks :) [18:02] Some days it runs out, other days it doesn't even use half :S === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:16] anyone use bumblebee on a asus rog? i've tried everything to get it to recognize my nvidia 860m [18:16] cody__: i think you want to ask in #ubuntu [18:17] ok thank you [18:26] whats the best shorthand to backup my touch data? [18:26] before doing a risky upgrade? [18:26] * asac remembers there was a good wiki etc. [18:27] asac: just tar up /home/phablet ? [18:27] jgdx, that libqofono branch should be good to go now [18:30] dobey: good point :) [18:30] * asac wonders where to tar that to [18:30] the SD card ;) [18:30] jgdx, i uploaded it to the phablet-team ppa to get a good build for you to test [18:31] oha we are ahead [18:31] we have python3-gnupg [18:31] while cloud doesnt have that [18:32] lack of comfiness :) [18:32] oops [18:32] wrong channel [18:32] lol [19:27] ok, how do i get -v passed to ssh for phablet-shell? [19:28] dobey: I'm going to shoot one into the wild, with an MP :-) [19:29] sergiusens: so i can't right now? [19:29] i'm getting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [19:29] which is not fun when i need to debug something on my device :) [19:29] dobey: I don't think anything can be done; I would of liked phablet-shell run_command as well ;-) [19:30] dobey: I guess you can hack the phablet-shell script [19:30] it's bash or dash [19:30] ok [19:30] nice to see a new stable release [19:32] OMFG [19:32] sergiusens: so i added -v to the command in the script, and now it freaking connects :( [19:33] * dobey wonders where the rum is [19:33] dobey: it might have been ssh restarting due to the property change [19:33] does anyone know why I can share a URL to messaging but not to email, facebook, google+ etc. [19:33] dobey: i sometimes find phablet-shell fails, but runs okay the second time [19:33] popey: i ran it like 5 times and kept getting the error :-/ [19:34] netlore_: I guess it's because it's not hooked up to the content-hub [19:34] I would like that fwiw :-) [19:34] popey: i even reflashed because i thought something was wrong on the phone [19:34] erk [19:34] dobey: we are not in the 80s :-) [19:35] sergiusens: are you sure? the size of cell phones today is pretty much the same as they were in the 80s [19:35] also battery life [19:35] dobey: yeah, but without BCD LEDs :-P [19:55] jgdx, fyi, libqofono 0.70 is built in the phablet-team ppa [20:04] tedg: bug 1404302 is yours, right? Can we get that fixed so spurious log entries can be removed? [20:04] bug 1404302 in ust (Ubuntu) "liblttng-ust0 Error opening shm /lttng-ust-wait-5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1404302 [20:04] popey, No, not anymore. I think mine are hidden now. [20:04] popey, I think those might be ricmm's, but I haven't checked. [20:31] have an asus memopad 7 android has become pretty useless to me i need to get this installed on that device. [20:32] can anyone asist with this? [20:32] its sort of a nonessential device at this point so if it wipes it out that is fine. [20:42] rvr: https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/remix/+pots/music-app/es/+translate?show=new_suggestions [20:42] any chance you can review those two tiny translations? ☻ [20:55] grrrr [20:55] grendal_prime: i dont think anyone has ported to that device [21:08] grrrr [21:08] can i help them do so? [21:08] Well, the porting guide is outdated unfortunately [21:09] is all this hardware really all that different? [21:10] yes [21:13] popey: got my translation suggestion? === Dazzozo` is now known as Dazzozo === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:53] user question: is there a way to add two finger scrolling with touchscreen. Prefer if this could be done in the same way that three and four finger events are recognised currently. Thank you. [22:55] popey: Done! [23:03] WebVisitor-4: Two finger scrolling works in GTK3 (and Qt5, IIRC). [23:03] And when I say “two finger scrolling” I mean, of course “one finger scrolling” [23:04] RAOF: how do I enable this in standard ubuntu (vivid) desktop? ... and ... erm what do you mean two finger is one finger 8) [23:04] WebVisitor-4: It just works, if you've got a touchscreen [23:05] I mean that dragging a single finger does scrolling. [23:05] But this only works in GTK3 (and, I think, Qt5) applications. [23:07] So its application specific? Multi touch works fine , ie three and four finger gestures. But one/two finger scrolling does not work in anything I have tried so far, like firefox or gnome-terminal... is a real PITA to get the scroll bar in terminal!!! [23:07] It's not going to work without toolkit support; it's too complex to do at a higher level (eg: you're dragging your finger - does that mean scroll, or to continue a text selection, or to continue dragging an icon around, or...) [23:08] sure... thats why I figured two finger scroll would be the one 8) [23:08] Hah. It doesn't work in GNOME terminal for exactly that reason - terminal treats that as selection :) [23:09] So, that's a very reasonable use-case that GTK doesn't support well currently. [23:09] Can we do it with ginn? [23:09] But we're not going to be able to do a global 2-finger scroll translation unless you want applications to never receive 2-finger events. [23:10] We do that with 3- and 4-finger events because applications generally don't have special behaviour for those. [23:10] But adding 2-finger scroll would break 2-finger pinch-to-zoom, for example. [23:10] (Adding it globally; when implemented in the toolkit the toolkit has enough information to make both work) [23:11] I figured there would be a good reason for three finger 8) Quite right! What about three finger scroll 8)... Is there a config or something that i can edit to try playing with three finger events? [23:11] No, not really. [23:11] The multitouch bits are in compiz/unity, though. [23:11] They're not configurable, but that's where they live. [23:12] Playing around with three finger events would involve grabbing the source and doing some fiddling. [23:12] so non trivial code changes? have you experience with the multi touch compiz stuff, as in which and where to start pretending to grok 8) [23:13] Not really. I think “grail” is the search string you want to be using, though. [23:14] cheers, as in the holy one 8) Appreciate your reasoning. Will have a go at it 8) [23:15] The multitouch library is called libgrail :) [23:18] RAOF: Much appreciated. [23:20] i want to make a bootable usb ubuntu touch but cant find iso can anyone link me? [23:21] Just an observation, being new to touch and all... it would be very handy to put more space around top panel indicators to take into consideration finger fatness 8) [23:25] thanks rvr !