[00:44] <Valduare> hows it going
[01:37] <BrokenScreen> Hey everyone
[01:41] <BrokenScreen> I just install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 2013 that has a broken screen. Now I am stuck on "the first time user-Chose a Language screen" and can not select anything because the screen and digitizer are broken. I tried plugging in a mouse with a OTG cable but no mouse cursor appears. Any Ideas?
[01:46] <nhaines> BrokenScreen: you're going to need a working Nexus 7.  Ubuntu doesn't support mice on phone or tablet.
[01:48] <BrokenScreen> oh bummer... Thank you for the reply...
[01:48] <BrokenScreen> So there is absolutely nothing I can do yeah?
[01:49] <nhaines> Not that I know of.
[01:49] <nhaines> Once convergence is in (post 16.04), mouse should work.
[01:52] <BrokenScreen> What is Convergence?
[01:54] <netlore> Can you not boot to the Nexus 7 into fastboot mode, like the Nexus 4 by holding down the power and volume buttons and then re-load android?
[01:57] <nhaines> BrokenScreen: convergence is when Unity 8 is running on phone, tablet, and desktop and you can just choose your preferred interface.
[01:57] <nhaines> netlore: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=how+to+enter+fastboot+mode+nexus+7&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[01:57] <BrokenScreen> Oh I have multirom manger and daul-booting cyanogenmod and Ubuntu touch
[01:58] <BrokenScreen> The Cyanogenmod works great...Its the Ubuntu touch I would like to use though
[01:59] <nhaines> BrokenScreen: Ubuntu requires a touchscreen on tablets.
[01:59] <nhaines> You can try vivid/proposed, but I haven't heard anything about that being different.
[02:00] <BrokenScreen> ah i see so I need to get convergence to load so that I can choose my desired input method yeah?
[02:00] <netlore> Not quite, you need to wait convergence to be developed..
[02:01] <nhaines> No.  When Unity 8 is convergence-enabled, you will be able to use a mouse and keyboard just like you do on the desktop.
[02:01] <nhaines> netlore has it right.
[02:02] <netlore> Actually being able to use the mouse in tablet mode would be useful too... you certainly can in android.
[02:03] <BrokenScreen> Oh I get what your saying.... Have you seen the Changelog for vivid-proposed? I guess I will try it and hope for the best! :-)
[02:04] <BrokenScreen> I completely agree netlore...
[02:04] <nhaines> I'm not sure vivid is working at the moment, although I expect it's going to be fixed by the end of the month.
[02:05] <BrokenScreen> it is always a good Idea to have several options of interface input....
[02:06] <BrokenScreen> Really? I have vivid  installed right now on my nexus 7
[02:06] <netlore> is there a new release for stable tomorrow?
[02:07] <BrokenScreen> I am not sure. I downloaded and installed it from the multiROM interface...
[02:09] <BrokenScreen> MultiROM has a list of possible builds you can install and Vivid was one of them. As was Vivid-Proposed
[02:09] <nhaines> netlore: they don't schedule stable releases.  They only release when it is stable.
[02:10] <nhaines> BrokenScreen: it's broken.  No one's working on it right now.  Main development is focused on stable, which is an alias for ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[02:11] <BrokenScreen> oh ok. I will try reinstalling a different build from the list
[02:14] <nhaines> Good luck!  But you'll still need a working touchscreen.
[02:18] <BrokenScreen> :-) Thank you for all your help! I will try a different build... if it does not work I will just wait for Convergence I suppose....
[02:21] <BrokenScreen> I am new to Ubuntu Touch... Is There any way that I can make a request for mouse input to be put into futer builds?
[02:22] <nhaines> You can file a wishlist request, but it is already planned for 16.10.
[02:23] <BrokenScreen> Oh Sweet! :-) For future reference though how do I go about fileing a wishlist request?
[02:24] <BrokenScreen> Also do you know how a noob like myself can help the project?
[02:25] <nhaines> You can file a bug against http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch/
[02:25] <nhaines> As for helping, phones are pretty complicated, but you can always learn how to develop software, and you can always help write documentation.
[02:28] <netlore> I noticed something weird... I created a new folder in /home/phablet and it's not visible when connecting by MTP...
[02:29] <BrokenScreen> Cool Thank you. I will keeping on learning... take care my friends
[02:29] <nhaines> I haven't done a ton of testing with NTP.
[02:29] <nhaines> BrokenScreen: I wish you the best of luck.  :)
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> !devices | optrusty
[05:09] <optrusty> What about porting it
[06:25] <sturmflut-work> http://youtu.be/wqYEH3MUC3w How does he "seamlessly" switch between Desktop and Tablet/Phone mode? Is there a key combination or is the video edited?
[07:04] <nhaines> sturmflut-work: it's something he's doing with his private branch on his computer.  It's not merged yet as far as I know.
[07:05] <sturmflut-work> nhaines: Ah, that explains it. The only way to switch between interfaces I knew was via command line
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Off Your Desk Day! :-D
[11:54] <ravinder> hi i want to install ubuntu on an android tablet, So from where I can download ubuntu os image for tablet
[13:00] <willcooke> popey, did you ever try to get touch running on your x86 tablet?
[13:00] <popey> no, its hard
[13:00] <popey> also, need porting guide updating
[13:00] <popey> *hint* ogra_ rsalveti ☻
[13:01] <uhhimhere> i hear touch runs great on a nokia 3310
[13:01] <rsalveti> any x86 tablet that runs android that you can download and build the android side?
[13:01] <rsalveti> but yeah, porting guide needs love
[13:02] <popey> rsalveti: not tried tbh
[13:02] <popey> I have a pegatron made x86 tablet which is pretty decent
[13:02] <popey> there's a lot of them about
[13:29] <danrik> am i gonna be old gray-bearded man before I get my hands on ubuntu phone?
[13:30] <danrik> srsly.
[13:30] <popey> depends
[13:30] <popey> are you old and grey-bearded already?
[13:30] <danrik> popey, no haha
[13:30] <popey> Yay! You could be in luck then!
[13:31] <danrik> popey, arghhh. that's whta popey always says. frigging hope and wait.
[13:31] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[13:31] <popey> seen that? ☻
[13:32] <danrik> popey, :) yeah. no I ve seen that
[13:32] <danrik> but I want something more higher-spec.
[13:32] <popey> patience ☻
[13:33] <danrik> im willing to pay iphone-like price, but I want a  nice juicy specs
[13:33] <danrik> popey, also -im in states
[13:33] <danrik> popey, if it's not sold here - it's not sold anywhere
[13:34] <danrik> lol
[13:35] <sturmflut-work> If the BQ Aquaris with Ubuntu will really be priced at less than 150 €, I will certainly get one despite already owning a Nexus 4 and a Nexus 5.
[13:36] <danrik> SturmFlut, " US plans are yet to be divulged, and it’s not clear if it will be Bq, Meizu or an as yet unannounced partner jumping through the hoops required to launch a cellular device there."
[13:36] <danrik> sigh
[13:37] <sturmflut-work> danrik: Can't you just import the device from Europe if necessary? I get stuff from the US and China all the time and 150 € is probably below customs limitations
[13:38] <danrik> SturmFlut, naah. I probably can. but I really-really want higher-spec phone though.
[13:38] <danrik> sturmflut-work, yeah. i buy stuff from china all the time too.
[13:40] <sturmflut-work> danrik: Sadly the Nexus 5 is not an officially supported device at the moment. It still has pretty decent hardware by todays standards
[13:40] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, and being permanently on EDGE only then ?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> i think those phones will be sold out directly
[13:41] <ogra_> the bq doesnt support the US frequencies
[13:41] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Ouch, right. Stupid frequencies
[13:41] <ogra_> so you have the choice between edge and wifi
[13:42] <sturmflut-work> I'm happy with my Nexus 4 running Ubuntu Phone BTW
[14:32] <nerochiaro> abeato: hi, do you have a minute ? i have rebuilt android following the instructions you gave me before the holidays and it is working well. however i have a problem rebuilding the ubuntu part (hybris etc) for the device
[14:32] <kenvandine> mandel, welcome back!  ever figure out the problem with the fix-pause branch?
[14:34] <abeato> nerochiaro, I do not remember that, are you sure you asked me? can try to help anyway :)
[14:36] <nerochiaro> abeato: maybe you were just participating in that convo and i was mainly talking to someone else, sorry. basically i am not sure how i can rebuild the stuff in the /ubuntu directory for the device. should i just copy the whole thing to the device and run debuild on it ?
[14:37] <abeato> nerochiaro, no, the hybris parts are built too when you build the image
[14:39] <nerochiaro> abeato: so when running ./afterbuild/ubuntu_way/replace-android-system.sh they are already installed on the device, and when i rebuild something that uses them, such as for example qtubuntu-camera, I will have the right libraries and headers already ?
[14:41] <abeato> nerochiaro, right, the hybris libraries should be there already, although you will have to install the development libraries, should be part of the build-deps of that package
[14:43] <nerochiaro> abeato: yes, but if i added functions to hybris then I will have to rebuild at least the -dev packages and reinstall them
[14:44] <abeato> nerochiaro, that's right, to clarify things take into account that hybris has an Android side an a Ubuntu side
[14:44] <abeato> the first one is built when you build the android image
[14:45] <abeato> nerochiaro, the ubuntu part is in a .deb that needs to be build apart
[14:45] <abeato> if you are modifying the api you need to rebuild both parts
[14:49] <nerochiaro> abeato: ok, trying that
[15:01] <jgdx> abeato, hi, I was working on the tech switch (mtk settings) in u-s-s and I have a question. Is the ofono  manager supposed to emit modemremoved/added after you make the switch?
[15:02] <jgdx> abeato, I was thinking yes, and I remember seeing that before the holidays, but now I don't.
[15:03] <abeato> jgdx, hmm, I think those event won't be generated, what you will see is changes on the Online property probably
[15:04] <abeato> jgdx, but you can use monitor-ofono script to get all emitted signals
[15:04] <jgdx> abeato, right, thanks. Online on Modem, not ConnMan I guess?
[15:04] <abeato> jgdx, right
[15:12] <mpt> Where is the code for the first-run setup these days, now that it’s no longer part of ubuntu-system-settings?
[15:13] <mpt> (<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers> says that it’s still part of ubuntu-system-settings)
[15:16] <dobey> hrmm, what package to file a bug against for the sdk, exactly?
[15:17] <dobey> since ubuntu-sdk is a metapackage from ubuntu-touch-meta
[15:18] <jgdx> mpt, unity8 for vivid, if your refering to the wizard
[15:18] <mpt> jgdx, yes indeed, thank you
[15:20] <mpt> (Hmmm, interesting choice for something you only ever use once to be in shell code … but anyway)
[15:25] <Saviq> sergiusens, can you help paulliu decipher his flashing issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/9718940/ ?
[15:26] <paulliu> sergiusens: the program just exists after the EOF. But in browser I can see that file as a PGP Signature.
[15:29] <Adrian47> Can anyone help to repair it: "Failed to execute /init" ? :)
[15:34] <sander^work> Which programming languages can I create ubuntu apps in?
[15:34] <sander^work> ubuntu phone.
[15:34] <popey> qt/qml, c++...
[15:34] <popey> some people have even submitted python and java apps to the store
[15:43] <mandel> kenvandine, yes! will ping you in a few mins to get a review :)
[15:43] <kenvandine> mandel, awesome, thanks!
[15:43] <mandel> kenvandine, no problem, nothing like being away from the machine for a while to get things right
[15:44] <kenvandine> :)
[15:45] <sergiusens> paulliu: wget of https://system-image.ubuntu.com/gpg/image-signing.tar.xz.asc works fine?
[15:46] <paulliu> sergiusens: yes. looks good.
[15:46] <paulliu> sergiusens: what's the next step after this?
[15:47] <sergiusens> paulliu: can you make sure everything in ~/.ubuntuimages is ownd by your user?
[15:48] <paulliu> sergiusens: ~/.cache/ubuntuimages?
[15:48] <sergiusens> paulliu: yes
[15:48] <paulliu> sergiusens: let me check
[15:50] <paulliu> sergiusens: looks good. I noticed there are some _lock file.
[15:50] <paulliu> sergiusens: should I delete those _lock? I didn't run anything now.
[15:52] <sergiusens> paulliu: yes, please delete them
[15:54] <paulliu> sergiusens: it works. Thanks a lot.
[15:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, what github revno does vivid libqofono correspond to?
[15:54] <sergiusens> paulliu: np
[15:56] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm not sure
[15:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, if it's whatever version was master head in June, we might need to update libqofono to fix the issue we discussed
[15:58] <kenvandine> cool
[15:59] <jgdx> talked to a guy over at nemomobile who said they fixed that issue in #66
[16:00] <oSoMoN> jibel, re bug #1409728, is that on rtm or vivid?
[16:00] <oSoMoN> (or both?)
[16:01] <jibel> oSoMoN, RTM, sorry, I didn't add the versions, I'll update the report.
[16:01] <oSoMoN> jibel, thanks, I’ll look into it
[16:03] <Adrian47> I am porting UT to HTC phone, maybe someone can help with some tips? I can trying and searching, any idea can help. I still get this error:  "Failed to execute /init" , or how can I debug what is bad?
[16:14] <jgdx> kenvandine, can I do the libqofono import?
[16:14] <kenvandine> update the package?
[16:14] <kenvandine> let me do that... i can give you a package to build
[16:17] <oSoMoN> jibel, how do I "Make the device run out of memory"? do you know of an app that is a huge memory consumer?
[16:17] <popey> oSoMoN: G+
[16:17] <popey> open a bunch of webapps, game webapps for example
[16:17] <oSoMoN> ah, thanks, will try that
[16:18] <jibel> oSoMoN, open several webapps, + the webbrowser with websites like euronews
[16:19] <jibel> oSoMoN, or sudo python3 -c from time import sleep; a='X'*500*2**20; sleep(10000)"
[16:25] <davmor2> oSoMoN: install the g+ app and scroll down 3 pages and then open a link
[16:40] <bzoltan> dobey:  it depends on what sort of problems did you find. the Tools related bugs are managed here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[16:40] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok... doing a test build of 0.70 with our patches
[16:41] <bzoltan> dobey:  and if you found something related to the UI toolkit then here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[16:41] <kenvandine> jgdx, looks like quite a few fixes since our last package update
[16:45] <oSoMoN> jibel, I can’t reproduce, webapps seem to recover correctly here
[16:47] <ogra_> oSoMoN, i just need to play any embedded youtube video in the G+ app ... after 2-3min it just turns into a white screen
[16:47] <oSoMoN> ogra_, and then switching to another webapp doesn’t load it properly?
[16:48] <ogra_> or scroll down G+ to the end like 5-6 times (so it loads more and more entries to the list and at some point it falls over in the same way)
[16:49] <ogra_> do you mean the other app or G+ ?
[16:49] <ogra_> the other app is usually SIGKILLed and starts properly when i switch to it
[16:49] <ogra_> G+ doesnt
[16:50] <oSoMoN> ok, just managed to get G+ to hang on a blank page
[16:51] <oSoMoN> that’s a slightly different issue to the one filed by jibel though
[16:52] <oSoMoN> closing and re-opening G+ does the trick, FWIW (but it should definitely recover by itself)
[16:59] <jgdx> kenvandine, yeah, tons rather
[17:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, do you have a link to the uitk input mask issue?
[17:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, bug 1357548
[17:05] <nerochiaro> abeato: you previous suggestion worked well, thanks for the help. one more thing if you have a moment: do you know how I can see the log produced by the ALOG* macros ?
[17:06] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[17:07] <abeato> nerochiaro, np, most files on the Android side contain a macro called LOG_NDEBUG , you can uncomment it for the files for which you want to see traces
[17:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, ah, you answered already
[17:10] <nerochiaro> abeato: this is on the ubuntu side, inside hybris
[17:11] <abeato> nerochiaro, hmm, anyway, should be the same if the are using the ALOG macros, output should go through logcat
[17:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, lp:~ken-vandine/+junk/libqofono-0.70
[17:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, there's a build failure though... but i need to step away for a bit
[17:22] <nerochiaro> abeato: i added "#define LOG_NDEBUG 0" to the top of the source file i want to log from, but still not getting it logged to logcat
[17:28] <dobey> bzoltan: ah ok. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1409815 i got stuck poking at some other stuff on friday and forgot to file the bug.
[17:28] <abeato> nerochiaro, might be apparmor permission issue
[17:40] <bzoltan> dobey: super, thanks. I will start with that tomorrow morning
[17:53] <ZacharyIgielman> Anyone else finding battery life very inconsistent?
[17:56] <dobey> on what?
[17:57] <ZacharyIgielman> Ubuntu touch on Nexus 4
[17:58] <dobey> i know on my n5 that i have wifi enabled, the battery discharges *much* faster :-/
[18:02] <ZacharyIgielman> Will try it without wifi thanks :)
[18:02] <ZacharyIgielman> Some days it runs out, other days it doesn't even use half :S
[18:16] <cody__> anyone use bumblebee on a asus rog? i've tried everything to get it to recognize my nvidia 860m
[18:16] <dobey> cody__: i think you want to ask in #ubuntu
[18:17] <cody__> ok thank you
[18:26] <asac> whats the best shorthand to backup my touch data?
[18:26] <asac> before doing a risky upgrade?
[18:26]  * asac remembers there was a good wiki etc.
[18:27] <dobey> asac: just tar up /home/phablet ?
[18:27] <kenvandine> jgdx, that libqofono branch should be good to go now
[18:30] <asac> dobey: good point :)
[18:30]  * asac wonders where to tar that to
[18:30] <ogra_> the SD card ;)
[18:30] <kenvandine> jgdx, i uploaded it to the phablet-team ppa to get a good build for you to test
[18:31] <asac> oha we are ahead
[18:31] <asac> we have python3-gnupg
[18:31] <asac> while cloud doesnt have that
[18:32] <asac> lack of comfiness :)
[18:32] <asac> oops
[18:32] <asac> wrong channel
[18:32] <asac> lol
[19:27] <dobey> ok, how do i get -v passed to ssh for phablet-shell?
[19:28] <sergiusens> dobey: I'm going to shoot one into the wild, with an MP :-)
[19:29] <dobey> sergiusens: so i can't right now?
[19:29] <dobey> i'm getting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[19:29] <dobey> which is not fun when i need to debug something on my device :)
[19:29] <sergiusens> dobey: I don't think anything can be done; I would of liked phablet-shell run_command as well ;-)
[19:30] <sergiusens> dobey: I guess you can hack the phablet-shell script
[19:30] <sergiusens> it's bash or dash
[19:30] <dobey> ok
[19:30] <netlore_> nice to see a new stable release
[19:32] <dobey> OMFG
[19:32] <dobey> sergiusens: so i added -v to the command in the script, and now it freaking connects :(
[19:33]  * dobey wonders where the rum is
[19:33] <sergiusens> dobey: it might have been ssh restarting due to the property change
[19:33] <netlore_> does anyone know why I can share a URL to messaging but not to email, facebook, google+ etc.
[19:33] <popey> dobey: i sometimes find phablet-shell fails, but runs okay the second time
[19:33] <dobey> popey: i ran it like 5 times and kept getting the error :-/
[19:34] <sergiusens> netlore_: I guess it's because it's not hooked up to the content-hub
[19:34] <sergiusens> I would like that fwiw :-)
[19:34] <dobey> popey: i even reflashed because i thought something was wrong on the phone
[19:34] <popey> erk
[19:34] <sergiusens> dobey: we are not in the 80s :-)
[19:35] <dobey> sergiusens: are you sure? the size of cell phones today is pretty much the same as they were in the 80s
[19:35] <popey> also battery life
[19:35] <sergiusens> dobey: yeah, but without BCD LEDs :-P
[19:55] <kenvandine> jgdx, fyi, libqofono 0.70 is built in the phablet-team ppa
[20:04] <popey> tedg: bug 1404302 is yours, right? Can we get that fixed so spurious log entries can be removed?
[20:04] <tedg> popey, No, not anymore. I think mine are hidden now.
[20:04] <tedg> popey, I think those might be ricmm's, but I haven't checked.
[20:31] <grendal_prime> have an asus memopad 7 android has become pretty useless to me i need to get this installed on that device.
[20:32] <grendal_prime> can anyone asist with this?
[20:32] <grendal_prime> its sort of a nonessential device at this point so if it wipes it out that is fine.
[20:42] <popey> rvr: https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/remix/+pots/music-app/es/+translate?show=new_suggestions
[20:42] <popey> any chance you can review those two tiny translations? ☻
[20:55] <grendal_prime> grrrr
[20:55] <popey> grendal_prime: i dont think anyone has ported to that device
[21:08] <grendal_prime> grrrr
[21:08] <grendal_prime> can i help them do so?
[21:08] <popey> Well, the porting guide is outdated unfortunately
[21:09] <grendal_prime> is all this hardware really all that different?
[21:10] <popey> yes
[21:13] <ZacharyIgielman> popey: got my translation suggestion?
[22:53] <WebVisitor-4> user question: is there a way to add two finger scrolling with touchscreen. Prefer if this could be done in the same way that three and four finger events are recognised currently. Thank you.
[22:55] <rvr> popey: Done!
[23:03] <RAOF> WebVisitor-4: Two finger scrolling works in GTK3 (and Qt5, IIRC).
[23:03] <RAOF> And when I say “two finger scrolling” I mean, of course “one finger scrolling”
[23:04] <WebVisitor-4> RAOF: how do I enable this in standard ubuntu (vivid) desktop? ... and ... erm what do you mean two finger is one finger 8)
[23:04] <RAOF> WebVisitor-4: It just works, if you've got a touchscreen
[23:05] <RAOF> I mean that dragging a single finger does scrolling.
[23:05] <RAOF> But this only works in GTK3 (and, I think, Qt5) applications.
[23:07] <WebVisitor-4> So its application specific? Multi touch works fine , ie three and four finger gestures. But one/two finger scrolling does not work in anything I have tried so far, like firefox or gnome-terminal... is a real PITA to get the scroll bar in terminal!!!
[23:07] <RAOF> It's not going to work without toolkit support; it's too complex to do at a higher level (eg: you're dragging your finger - does that mean scroll, or to continue a text selection, or to continue dragging an icon around, or...)
[23:08] <WebVisitor-4> sure... thats why I figured two finger scroll would be the one 8)
[23:08] <RAOF> Hah. It doesn't work in GNOME terminal for exactly that reason - terminal treats that as selection :)
[23:09] <RAOF> So, that's a very reasonable use-case that GTK doesn't support well currently.
[23:09] <WebVisitor-4> Can we do it with ginn?
[23:09] <RAOF> But we're not going to be able to do a global 2-finger scroll translation unless you want applications to never receive 2-finger events.
[23:10] <RAOF> We do that with 3- and 4-finger events because applications generally don't have special behaviour for those.
[23:10] <RAOF> But adding 2-finger scroll would break 2-finger pinch-to-zoom, for example.
[23:10] <RAOF> (Adding it globally; when implemented in the toolkit the toolkit has enough information to make both work)
[23:11] <WebVisitor-4> I figured there would be a good reason for three finger 8) Quite right! What about three finger scroll 8)... Is there a config or something that i can edit to try playing with three finger events?
[23:11] <RAOF> No, not really.
[23:11] <RAOF> The multitouch bits are in compiz/unity, though.
[23:11] <RAOF> They're not configurable, but that's where they live.
[23:12] <RAOF> Playing around with three finger events would involve grabbing the source and doing some fiddling.
[23:12] <WebVisitor-4> so non trivial code changes? have you experience with the multi touch compiz stuff, as in which and where to start pretending to grok 8)
[23:13] <RAOF> Not really. I think “grail” is the search string you want to be using, though.
[23:14] <WebVisitor-4> cheers, as in the holy one 8) Appreciate your reasoning. Will have a go at it 8)
[23:15] <RAOF> The multitouch library is called libgrail :)
[23:18] <WebVisitor-4> RAOF: Much appreciated.
[23:20] <notme_> i want to make a bootable usb ubuntu touch but cant find iso can anyone link me?
[23:21] <WebVisitor-4> Just an observation, being new to touch and all... it would be very handy to put more space around top panel indicators to take into consideration finger fatness 8)
[23:25] <popey> thanks rvr !