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MooDoomorning all07:51
zmoylan-pimonday has been cancelled due to popular vote, return to bed07:57
MooDoowell that sounds good08:00
zmoylan-pimonday if i become leader will be set up and test gaming emulators from your childhood day \o/08:02
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:51
MooDoomorning brobostigon08:59
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:59
MooDoogood weekend brobostigon ?09:02
brobostigonquiet, trying to get my eczema better.09:03
MooDooworking?09:06
brobostigonno, at home,09:15
davmor2Just had this in the morning mail and the question is where does she keep it all http://viduki.com/video/18937/Where_does_she_keep_it_all09:21
davmor2morning all09:21
MooDoohowdy davmor209:24
zmoylan-pimust be fun when she turns up in customs now...09:29
davmor2zmoylan-pi: No it'll all be packed away in a magic box most magicians do09:30
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Off Your Desk Day! :-D09:31
zmoylan-pihappy... monday... isn't that a contradiction in terms?09:31
brobostigonyep09:31
JamesTaitzmoylan-pi, "I'm James Reed, and you hate Mondays because..."09:32
brobostigon"because they are mondays!!"09:33
JamesTaitHeh. :)09:33
zmoylan-pithere's a song about not liking mondays.  it got famous because most normal healthy people don't like mondays09:33
davmor2JamesTait: I just swept my arms along the desk clean09:35
zmoylan-pii'd only knock my laptop, printer, tablet and screen off my desk.  the 2 phones would bounce but the rest would be damaged09:35
zmoylan-pi 10:02
davmor2zmoylan-pi: by the boomtown rats10:17
zmoylan-piyes, and it remains popular because people will always hate mondays, if i were to flick through the music stations here today i'd find it been played somewhere.10:20
TwistedLucidityFor some people Monday is the second working day.10:23
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popeyhttp://www.newsbiscuit.com/2015/01/10/courage-award-for-man-who-threw-out-old-computer-cables/ made me chuckle10:36
zmoylan-pibut... but if threw out all my old computer cables it would destabilise the scrap metal market!! :-)10:36
MooDoolol love it10:38
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zmoylan-piyou never know when you'll need a 9->25 pin modem serial cable...11:06
MooDoo:)11:09
zmoylan-pimind i did find an external battery powered modem over the weekend so i might have to hang onto that cable...11:10
daftykinsmorning o/11:11
daftykinszmoylan-pi: yay, you'll never leave us! ;)11:11
zmoylan-pii think my nokia dumpphone would last longer on irc than my psion with battery powered modem with fresh batteries.11:12
daftykinshahaha11:13
zmoylan-pilast time i tried it was on irc for over 6 hours with no noticeable affect on battery gauge11:13
daftykinsidling though?11:15
daftykinsi have a caramel latté, a packet of salt and malt vinegar mccoys - AND a triple pack of sandwiches from Boots' meal deal \o/11:16
zmoylan-piscreen on displaying all the comments flicking past11:16
daftykinsapparently there's a TP-Link WAP out there playing up...11:17
* zmoylan-pi hands daftykins the hammer of warrantyschmarranty... :-)11:18
daftykinsah the WAP compliance enforcer, didn't know you had one!11:18
zmoylan-piit's the last word in fixing intermittent hardware11:22
daftykinswhat i'll do is reach into the cupboard and yank its' cables, possibly after dangling it by such11:23
daftykinsthen i'll threaten it with a firmware update11:23
daftykinsif it doesn't play ball after that, it'll get the flashing of its' life.11:24
zmoylan-pii have once sworn at a hard drive till it started working again.11:25
daftykinsnot irish, are ye?11:25
zmoylan-piirish yes, does it show :-)11:25
daftykinspretty sure my mates dad, who i believe is northern Irish, would be able to shout at his heart condition to fix it11:26
zmoylan-piif you can't bend the language till inanimate hardware starts working again i'd be ashamed to call myself irish :-)11:26
daftykins:D11:28
daftykinsdid your student spot a windows 7 Dell in the end?11:28
zmoylan-pisent off the info, will find out this weekend at ad&d game if she had actually looked.11:28
daftykinshuzzah!11:29
zmoylan-piwas actually in oxfam in dublin where they sell second hand laptops.  looked nice i have to say if a little low spec11:29
daftykinsjust jumped back on the Dell business laptops outlet page, as the old girl has been nagging about having one11:29
zmoylan-pigot 3 dvds for less than a tenner11:29
daftykinscrikey! guess they'll be good for the coffee table as coasters *whistle*11:29
zmoylan-piripped fine11:30
zmoylan-pino obvious scratches on surface either.  well cared for11:31
daftykinsugh i've got a wordpress install for someone on a debian box that despite setting www-data as owner and what not on the folders of, was still refusing auto upgrades11:35
daftykinsisn't really the end of the world, but it's on ~3.7 and not the latest 4.111:35
davmor2TwistedLucidity: yeah but newzealanders get friday off for working sunday ;)11:42
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DJonesSOme people have too much time on their hands http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/3074386613:59
zmoylan-pion plus side if clippy shows up you can take him out with dynamite :-)14:00
diddledanmorning14:15
shaunoo/14:15
daftykinso/14:16
MooDooo/14:16
zmoylan-pi\o14:16
MooDoo\o/ /o\ o= A :)14:17
daftykinsXD14:17
diddledanis /o\ a bloke going "oh god, my head!"14:17
shaunoin my head, /o\ is a lemming doing the "oh no" stance before it explodes14:18
daftykinsit reminds me of lemmings just b....14:18
daftykins:D14:18
diddledanlol14:18
diddledanyeah that fits14:18
daftykinsLemmings1.zip14:18
daftykinsO_O14:19
zmoylan-pioh no...14:19
zmoylan-piwhen i got the demo of lemmings on cover of gaming mag no work was done at work for about a week. trying to prise the disk out of my bosses pcs when they kept nicking it...14:20
diddledanhttp://grahamcluley.com/2015/01/hacked-road-sign/ (bad language ahead)14:20
daftykinswow. just wow. i'm blown away, this is a zip from the floppy disk i had as a kid14:21
daftykinsonly just noticed there's a .NFO on it14:21
* daftykins tuts14:21
diddledandaftykins, oh dear14:21
diddledandaftykins, n0rty you14:21
daftykinsweren't me guv14:23
daftykinsi was but a wee lad14:23
MooDoodaftykins: jolly roger :p14:23
daftykinsit was probably an uncle14:25
diddledanwe had a copy of "prince of persia" which had a nice asciiart message when you left the game that it was "cracked by the firm"14:26
ali1234if you had lemmings on 1 floppy disk it was definitely pirate14:26
ali1234the real one came on two disks14:27
daftykins:O14:27
zmoylan-piwe had legit version, i only remember 1 disk14:27
daftykinszmoylan-pi: maybe you weren't too good and never advanced ;)14:27
zmoylan-pior i only remember the impact of the demo version on 1 disk...14:28
zmoylan-piit was a few years ago14:28
daftykinswow now i just found the kinda demo file from the release group14:30
daftykinsjust ran it in DOSbox14:30
daftykins"the humble guys" 199114:30
shaunothere's legit versions on one disk too.  repacks when it comes in bundles14:30
shaunolike http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001E4ERNW14:30
diddledandaftykins, they went legit a few years ago and started the humblebungle14:31
diddledan:-p14:31
ali1234proof: https://plus.google.com/photos/+AlistairBuxton/albums/6103461971152885297/6103461972364251298?pid=6103461972364251298&oid=11747498638286731777914:31
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/hql7k9sqlleolq5/lemmings.jpg?dl=014:31
ali1234oh, the pc version?14:32
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daftykinslevel 5 *cough*14:38
daftykinsali1234: yep14:38
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/hql7k9sqlleolq5/lemmings.jpg?dl=014:41
crushpestHi all. Need some help14:53
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daftykinsdiddledan: you scared that user off :(14:56
daftykinsok i give up at 1515:17
daftykinsthat one just looks like far too much effort15:17
diddledanwhat did I do?!15:19
diddledanI know I'm an ugly mofo, but still15:19
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)15:31
daftykinshowdy15:31
daftykinsmuch much rain here15:31
popeyhello bigcalm15:33
popeybigcalm: i recently discovered that the death star and star destroyer are the only lego kits which have darth vader in them15:33
awilkinsCan you get Vader separately?15:34
ali1234"Darth Vader has appeared in a total of seventeen sets, being recognized as one of the most frequently packaged minifigures"15:35
davmor2popey: nah there is vaders tie-fighter too15:35
ali1234http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vader15:35
popeyoooh15:35
popeyso thats wrong then, good-o15:35
popeySam wanted one15:35
diddledanfrom hantslug ml: http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2015/01/10/courage-award-for-man-who-threw-out-old-computer-cables/15:36
bigcalmpopey: my millennium falcon has a Darth Vader in it15:37
diddledano_O15:37
diddledanthat's just wrong15:37
awilkinsCan't believe they are selling those minfigs on eBay for upwards of £20 though15:38
* popey can believe this15:38
ali1234why not? minifig blind bags which contain 1 random minifig are like £515:38
davmor2popey: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/171345526796?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=10815:38
daftykinsdiddledan: lmao15:38
popeyali1234: is your game SDL2 (I may have asked this already)15:38
ali1234yes15:38
davmor2popey: also vader is in the millennium falcon too15:39
popeywonder how well it would run on nexus 4 under mir15:39
ali1234which one?15:39
popeythe 3d flying thing15:40
ali1234that wont work at all. ogre3d has a hard dependency on X1115:40
popeyah15:40
ali1234if you could lean on them to replace all the stupid platform specific backends with a single one that uses SDL2 that would be great15:40
popeywell, there's a fallback of xmir15:41
ali1234building it is a nightmare due to all the platform specific code, and it only exists to do... exactly the same things SDL does15:41
ali1234except not as well15:41
daftykinsmy friends cousin is the ogre3d main creator15:41
ali1234and not handling any input or sound15:41
popeyhttps://plus.google.com/+WillCooke/posts/eNUArFBzh3W15:41
ali1234also that game is pretty hardware intensive15:42
ali1234and it's not because of the graphics either15:43
diddledanerr. wtf. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/whatsapp-and-snapchat-could-be-banned-under-new-surveillance-plans-9973035.html16:39
diddledanhttps no more16:40
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awilkinsdiddledan, Sounds like he wants to revive key escrow like Clipper16:58
awilkins"No form of communication we cannot read" is a nice sentiment but you can only do it with swingeing draconian penalties for actual proper encryption16:59
awilkinsOr by forcibly making the whole shebang into a dystopian "Right to Read" scenario17:01
diddledanawilkins, aye, it's a scary concept that he proposes, and he probably doesn't realise just how bad it would be17:42
awilkinsMore that he realises exactly what he's asking for17:43
awilkinsAny compelling evidence that the Hebdo shooters used encrypted comms? Not so far.17:43
diddledannot that I've seen, no17:44
awilkinsSo it's just a power grab17:44
diddledanit's jumping on the back of charlie hebdo the same way 9/11 was used to grab power17:44
awilkinsAnd then people wonder why a few claim these acts are false-flag black ops17:45
diddledanpeople will agree to a lot more when they're scared17:45
awilkinsFrom his speech "the attacks in Paris once again demonstrated the scale of the terrorist threat that we face"17:45
awilkins12 people17:45
diddledanindeed17:46
awilkinsTraffic related deaths in UK per year : 2175 (or 6 per day)17:46
awilkinsDo we declare war on motorism? Do we buggery.17:47
bashrc_are they banning freedom now? Should I head to the bunker and raise the ubuntu flag?17:47
diddledanit's this type of government that scares me, not the potential for terrorism17:47
awilkinsThe potential for terrorism is ALWAYS there. Pervasive comms surveillance will never stop it, because you can avoid it all with basic common sense and cold war tradecraft17:48
diddledanI worry that I worry too much though17:48
awilkinsBear in mind that Charlie Hebdo must have annoyed a lot of capitalists over the years too17:49
diddledanI cannot convince my family that misgovernment is an issue tho - like I tried to explain why the ISP filtering requirement was a bad thing, but they just wouldn't accept what I was saying17:49
diddledanprobably find I wasn't articulating well though, I guess17:49
awilkinsExcellent tactic though, isn't it "You don't want to protect the children YOU WANT TO LOOK AT NAKED LADIES"17:50
diddledanyeah, "I opted out of the defaul-on filtering". reply: "oh, you're a pervert?!"17:51
bashrc_the problem is when the government itself becomes a terrorist and preys on its population17:51
diddledanI mean, yes, I am a pervert, but that's not the point!17:52
awilkinsThey're solidly in that camp already17:52
awilkinsToday I learned that Osborne is holding back £30B of National Insurance payments17:52
diddledano_O17:52
diddledanthat's kind of him17:52
bashrc_holding back?17:52
awilkinsBecause legally he can't spend it on anything but i) welfare ii) NHS and that doesn't fit into their plans to demoralize the workforce and privatize the NHS17:52
awilkinsThat's about 1/3 the NHS budget or 1/4 the welfare budget depending on where your priorities lie17:53
bashrc_he could abolish all food banks with that17:53
awilkinshttp://www.welfareweekly.com/opinion-30-billion-national-insurance-surplus-kick-teeth-starving-families/17:54
awilkinsI read someone's paper about benefit sanctions the other week17:54
awilkinsThat's state-sponsored terrorism if anything is17:54
awilkinsPeople sanctioned for being 2 minutes late for a Job Centre appointment, because they went to a job interview. And they'd have been sanctioned for missing it.17:55
bashrc_been there, done that17:56
awilkinsPeople being sanctioned for having a target of 6 job applications a week, applying for 4 on Monday and 4 on Friday.17:56
awilkinsThe accounting is done Tuesday! Sorry! Sanctioned!17:56
bashrc_sanctions should be banned imho. I've seen how they're used at the sharp end17:57
bashrc_and it's pretty ugly17:57
awilkinsI'm pretty convinced of the Universal Basic Income idea now17:57
bashrc_me too17:58
bashrc_with sanctions you see good people who are trying to do the rihgt thing, and who sometimes also have responsibilities to children, being punished by inflexible rules designed to trick them. People get pushed into destitution and food banks17:59
diddledanself-employed tax isn't fun either - apparently they require that in your first year self-employed you need to pay two years' tax18:09
ali1234luckily for me 2x nothing is still nothing18:09
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ali1234a picture of two floppy disks with no caption is my most popular G+ post of all time18:13
awilkinsDid it occupy exactly 2.88MB ?18:19
awilkinsali1234, Don't you work for BitCoin?18:20
ali1234awilkins: no that's azelphur18:23
awilkinsFairy snuff18:23
ali1234i would accept bitcoins but nobody wanted to pay me with them yet18:23
awilkinsStill have to pay your taxes :P http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-2550949/Do-bitcoins-tax-liability.html18:25
ali1234only if i earn more than £1000018:26
awilkinsWell, that's fine. No problem with honest taxpayers, even if their tax bill is zero18:27
* Azelphur waves18:44
Azelphurand yea, I know they have tax liability, that's been that way for a while18:44
ali1234it's always been the way18:44
ali1234even if you are paid in carrots you still have to pay tax18:45
Azelphurnew world currency, I demand to be paid in carrots.18:47
ali1234btw this rule even applies to intangible goods18:48
ali1234eg if you fix my car and i mow your lawn we both still have to pay tax18:49
shaunoI wonder what 20% of a mowed lawn is18:52
ali1234whatever your accountant can argue18:52
AzelphurI'd love to know how they enforce that18:54
ali1234audits18:56
Azelphurauditing my front yard18:57
Azelphurserious business18:57
shaunocurious, do you say yard or garden?18:57
ali1234garden18:57
AzelphurI slip between American and English constantly18:57
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dogmatic69_gah, cant update because the boot partition is full22:38
daftykinsheh22:40
daftykinsold kernels?22:40
dogmatic69_yep22:40
daftykinstune2fs to remove root reservation?22:40
shaunosurely root owns those already anyway?22:40
dogmatic69_I have been through this before, loading some kind of live disk, resized reboot, 5 times....22:40
shaunojust remove some old ones?22:41
dogmatic69_I resized it to something like 1gb reboot, and it was only half what I resized22:41
daftykinsyeah why are you keeping 'em 0o22:42
diddledanapt-get autoremove usually gets rid of any cruft22:42
dogmatic69_I am not especially keeping anything22:42
dogmatic69_http://pastebin.com/yHtk0hfR22:43
dogmatic69_apt-get autoremove cleaned up 30mb now22:44
dogmatic69_\o/22:44
dogmatic69_15%...22:44
daftykinsjust nuke a few of those earlier ones22:46
daftykinsdpkg -l | grep linux-image-22:46
dogmatic69_http://pastebin.com/aAEWfWMh22:47
dogmatic69_Current is Linux optimus-prime 3.13.0-40-generic22:47
shaunoI dunno what I just watched on film4, but I think it's won the award for "worst movie I've ever watched"22:48
dogmatic69_shauno: Gigli?22:49
shauno"storage 24"22:49
dogmatic69_maybe you want to update this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst22:49
dogmatic69_:)22:49
daftykinsdogmatic69_: copy the package names and just run "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.13.0-35-generic linux-image-3.13.0-36-generic ..." but leave two current ones, then do an apt-get autoremove too22:50
dogmatic69_I found some command last time that done a sed and removed it all.. Will try find it again22:51
daftykinswhat's the point when you can copy and paste quicker :>22:53
daftykinsin fact this'll give you a fair chunk of room22:53
daftykins"sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.8* "22:53
daftykinsno point having old 3.8's on22:53
shaunowasn't there some 'janitor' thing that handled this?22:53
daftykinsoh there's only one anyway22:54
diddledanshauno, autoremove usually does it22:54
diddledanapt helpfully tells you when it can do that, too22:54
diddledan"the following packages are no longer required. use apt-get autoremove to remove them."22:54
daftykinsthat autoremove only does it on newer versions22:57
dogmatic69_used synaptic to remove them, now have 70mb free23:02
dogmatic69_only .39 .40 left23:02
daftykins\o/23:02
dogmatic69_actually... 150mb free23:03
dogmatic69_double \o/23:03
dogmatic69_ta23:03
dogmatic69_and upto date now23:03
dogmatic69_ga... its installing .44 :/23:03
dogmatic69_more fud23:04
daftykins:D23:06
diddledanI'm not sure a new kernel qualifies as "fear uncertainty and doubt"23:27
mappshi all23:41
mapps;]23:41
* zmoylan-pi is battening down the hatches for 1.5 of snow. http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/up-to-3cm-of-snow-to-fall-tonight-and-tomorrow-says-met-eireann-657809.html23:43
zmoylan-pi1.5"23:43
shaunosweet23:45
mappssnow in ireland eh23:45
zmoylan-pimakes a change from the rain23:45
shaunolol.  what an optimist23:46
shaunoI know galway.  it'll mean no change at all.  just rain23:46
zmoylan-pior the fog. or the mist. or the hail. or the sleet. or the... well that's about it really :-)23:46
diddledanyey for netflix thinking I'm american23:49
shaunoheh.  mine's kinda messed up for that :/23:49
shaunothe program guide bit thinks I'm american, but the playback bit doesn't.  so it gives me a wonderful selection of stuff to watch, and then laughs in my face when I try to watch them23:50
diddledanlol23:50
diddledanI can't watch a series without interrupting it because it errors when switching between episodes23:51
shaunough, just read that stuff about trying to ban encrypted chat services23:59

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