[07:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:57] <zmoylan-pi> monday has been cancelled due to popular vote, return to bed
[08:00] <MooDoo> well that sounds good
[08:02] <zmoylan-pi> monday if i become leader will be set up and test gaming emulators from your childhood day \o/
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:59] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:02] <MooDoo> good weekend brobostigon ?
[09:03] <brobostigon> quiet, trying to get my eczema better.
[09:06] <MooDoo> working?
[09:15] <brobostigon> no, at home,
[09:21] <davmor2> Just had this in the morning mail and the question is where does she keep it all http://viduki.com/video/18937/Where_does_she_keep_it_all
[09:21] <davmor2> morning all
[09:24] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> must be fun when she turns up in customs now...
[09:30] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: No it'll all be packed away in a magic box most magicians do
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Off Your Desk Day! :-D
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> happy... monday... isn't that a contradiction in terms?
[09:31] <brobostigon> yep
[09:32] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, "I'm James Reed, and you hate Mondays because..."
[09:33] <brobostigon> "because they are mondays!!"
[09:33] <JamesTait> Heh. :)
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> there's a song about not liking mondays.  it got famous because most normal healthy people don't like mondays
[09:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: I just swept my arms along the desk clean
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> i'd only knock my laptop, printer, tablet and screen off my desk.  the 2 phones would bounce but the rest would be damaged
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi>  
[10:17] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: by the boomtown rats
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> yes, and it remains popular because people will always hate mondays, if i were to flick through the music stations here today i'd find it been played somewhere.
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> For some people Monday is the second working day.
[10:36] <popey> http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2015/01/10/courage-award-for-man-who-threw-out-old-computer-cables/ made me chuckle
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> but... but if threw out all my old computer cables it would destabilise the scrap metal market!! :-)
[10:38] <MooDoo> lol love it
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> you never know when you'll need a 9->25 pin modem serial cable...
[11:09] <MooDoo> :)
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> mind i did find an external battery powered modem over the weekend so i might have to hang onto that cable...
[11:11] <daftykins> morning o/
[11:11] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: yay, you'll never leave us! ;)
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> i think my nokia dumpphone would last longer on irc than my psion with battery powered modem with fresh batteries.
[11:13] <daftykins> hahaha
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> last time i tried it was on irc for over 6 hours with no noticeable affect on battery gauge
[11:15] <daftykins> idling though?
[11:16] <daftykins> i have a caramel latté, a packet of salt and malt vinegar mccoys - AND a triple pack of sandwiches from Boots' meal deal \o/
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> screen on displaying all the comments flicking past
[11:17] <daftykins> apparently there's a TP-Link WAP out there playing up...
[11:18]  * zmoylan-pi hands daftykins the hammer of warrantyschmarranty... :-)
[11:18] <daftykins> ah the WAP compliance enforcer, didn't know you had one!
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's the last word in fixing intermittent hardware
[11:23] <daftykins> what i'll do is reach into the cupboard and yank its' cables, possibly after dangling it by such
[11:23] <daftykins> then i'll threaten it with a firmware update
[11:24] <daftykins> if it doesn't play ball after that, it'll get the flashing of its' life.
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> i have once sworn at a hard drive till it started working again.
[11:25] <daftykins> not irish, are ye?
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> irish yes, does it show :-)
[11:26] <daftykins> pretty sure my mates dad, who i believe is northern Irish, would be able to shout at his heart condition to fix it
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> if you can't bend the language till inanimate hardware starts working again i'd be ashamed to call myself irish :-)
[11:28] <daftykins> :D
[11:28] <daftykins> did your student spot a windows 7 Dell in the end?
[11:28] <zmoylan-pi> sent off the info, will find out this weekend at ad&d game if she had actually looked.
[11:29] <daftykins> huzzah!
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> was actually in oxfam in dublin where they sell second hand laptops.  looked nice i have to say if a little low spec
[11:29] <daftykins> just jumped back on the Dell business laptops outlet page, as the old girl has been nagging about having one
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> got 3 dvds for less than a tenner
[11:29] <daftykins> crikey! guess they'll be good for the coffee table as coasters *whistle*
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> ripped fine
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> no obvious scratches on surface either.  well cared for
[11:35] <daftykins> ugh i've got a wordpress install for someone on a debian box that despite setting www-data as owner and what not on the folders of, was still refusing auto upgrades
[11:35] <daftykins> isn't really the end of the world, but it's on ~3.7 and not the latest 4.1
[11:42] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: yeah but newzealanders get friday off for working sunday ;)
[13:59] <DJones> SOme people have too much time on their hands http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/30743866
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> on plus side if clippy shows up you can take him out with dynamite :-)
[14:15] <diddledan> morning
[14:15] <shauno> o/
[14:16] <daftykins> o/
[14:16] <MooDoo> o/
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> \o
[14:17] <MooDoo> \o/ /o\ o= A :)
[14:17] <daftykins> XD
[14:17] <diddledan> is /o\ a bloke going "oh god, my head!"
[14:18] <shauno> in my head, /o\ is a lemming doing the "oh no" stance before it explodes
[14:18] <daftykins> it reminds me of lemmings just b....
[14:18] <daftykins> :D
[14:18] <diddledan> lol
[14:18] <diddledan> yeah that fits
[14:18] <daftykins> Lemmings1.zip
[14:19] <daftykins> O_O
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> oh no...
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> when i got the demo of lemmings on cover of gaming mag no work was done at work for about a week. trying to prise the disk out of my bosses pcs when they kept nicking it...
[14:20] <diddledan> http://grahamcluley.com/2015/01/hacked-road-sign/ (bad language ahead)
[14:21] <daftykins> wow. just wow. i'm blown away, this is a zip from the floppy disk i had as a kid
[14:21] <daftykins> only just noticed there's a .NFO on it
[14:21]  * daftykins tuts
[14:21] <diddledan> daftykins, oh dear
[14:21] <diddledan> daftykins, n0rty you
[14:23] <daftykins> weren't me guv
[14:23] <daftykins> i was but a wee lad
[14:23] <MooDoo> daftykins: jolly roger :p
[14:25] <daftykins> it was probably an uncle
[14:26] <diddledan> we had a copy of "prince of persia" which had a nice asciiart message when you left the game that it was "cracked by the firm"
[14:26] <ali1234> if you had lemmings on 1 floppy disk it was definitely pirate
[14:27] <ali1234> the real one came on two disks
[14:27] <daftykins> :O
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> we had legit version, i only remember 1 disk
[14:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: maybe you weren't too good and never advanced ;)
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> or i only remember the impact of the demo version on 1 disk...
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> it was a few years ago
[14:30] <daftykins> wow now i just found the kinda demo file from the release group
[14:30] <daftykins> just ran it in DOSbox
[14:30] <daftykins> "the humble guys" 1991
[14:30] <shauno> there's legit versions on one disk too.  repacks when it comes in bundles
[14:30] <shauno> like http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001E4ERNW
[14:31] <diddledan> daftykins, they went legit a few years ago and started the humblebungle
[14:31] <diddledan> :-p
[14:31] <ali1234> proof: https://plus.google.com/photos/+AlistairBuxton/albums/6103461971152885297/6103461972364251298?pid=6103461972364251298&oid=117474986382867317779
[14:31] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hql7k9sqlleolq5/lemmings.jpg?dl=0
[14:32] <ali1234> oh, the pc version?
[14:38] <daftykins> level 5 *cough*
[14:38] <daftykins> ali1234: yep
[14:41] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hql7k9sqlleolq5/lemmings.jpg?dl=0
[14:53] <crushpest> Hi all. Need some help
[14:56] <daftykins> diddledan: you scared that user off :(
[15:17] <daftykins> ok i give up at 15
[15:17] <daftykins> that one just looks like far too much effort
[15:19] <diddledan> what did I do?!
[15:19] <diddledan> I know I'm an ugly mofo, but still
[15:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:31] <daftykins> howdy
[15:31] <daftykins> much much rain here
[15:33] <popey> hello bigcalm
[15:33] <popey> bigcalm: i recently discovered that the death star and star destroyer are the only lego kits which have darth vader in them
[15:34] <awilkins> Can you get Vader separately?
[15:35] <ali1234> "Darth Vader has appeared in a total of seventeen sets, being recognized as one of the most frequently packaged minifigures"
[15:35] <davmor2> popey: nah there is vaders tie-fighter too
[15:35] <ali1234> http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vader
[15:35] <popey> oooh
[15:35] <popey> so thats wrong then, good-o
[15:35] <popey> Sam wanted one
[15:36] <diddledan> from hantslug ml: http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2015/01/10/courage-award-for-man-who-threw-out-old-computer-cables/
[15:37] <bigcalm> popey: my millennium falcon has a Darth Vader in it
[15:37] <diddledan> o_O
[15:37] <diddledan> that's just wrong
[15:38] <awilkins> Can't believe they are selling those minfigs on eBay for upwards of £20 though
[15:38]  * popey can believe this
[15:38] <ali1234> why not? minifig blind bags which contain 1 random minifig are like £5
[15:38] <davmor2> popey: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/171345526796?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108
[15:38] <daftykins> diddledan: lmao
[15:38] <popey> ali1234: is your game SDL2 (I may have asked this already)
[15:38] <ali1234> yes
[15:39] <davmor2> popey: also vader is in the millennium falcon too
[15:39] <popey> wonder how well it would run on nexus 4 under mir
[15:39] <ali1234> which one?
[15:40] <popey> the 3d flying thing
[15:40] <ali1234> that wont work at all. ogre3d has a hard dependency on X11
[15:40] <popey> ah
[15:40] <ali1234> if you could lean on them to replace all the stupid platform specific backends with a single one that uses SDL2 that would be great
[15:41] <popey> well, there's a fallback of xmir
[15:41] <ali1234> building it is a nightmare due to all the platform specific code, and it only exists to do... exactly the same things SDL does
[15:41] <ali1234> except not as well
[15:41] <daftykins> my friends cousin is the ogre3d main creator
[15:41] <ali1234> and not handling any input or sound
[15:41] <popey> https://plus.google.com/+WillCooke/posts/eNUArFBzh3W
[15:42] <ali1234> also that game is pretty hardware intensive
[15:43] <ali1234> and it's not because of the graphics either
[16:39] <diddledan> err. wtf. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/whatsapp-and-snapchat-could-be-banned-under-new-surveillance-plans-9973035.html
[16:40] <diddledan> https no more
[16:58] <awilkins> diddledan, Sounds like he wants to revive key escrow like Clipper
[16:59] <awilkins> "No form of communication we cannot read" is a nice sentiment but you can only do it with swingeing draconian penalties for actual proper encryption
[17:01] <awilkins> Or by forcibly making the whole shebang into a dystopian "Right to Read" scenario
[17:42] <diddledan> awilkins, aye, it's a scary concept that he proposes, and he probably doesn't realise just how bad it would be
[17:43] <awilkins> More that he realises exactly what he's asking for
[17:43] <awilkins> Any compelling evidence that the Hebdo shooters used encrypted comms? Not so far.
[17:44] <diddledan> not that I've seen, no
[17:44] <awilkins> So it's just a power grab
[17:44] <diddledan> it's jumping on the back of charlie hebdo the same way 9/11 was used to grab power
[17:45] <awilkins> And then people wonder why a few claim these acts are false-flag black ops
[17:45] <diddledan> people will agree to a lot more when they're scared
[17:45] <awilkins> From his speech "the attacks in Paris once again demonstrated the scale of the terrorist threat that we face"
[17:45] <awilkins> 12 people
[17:46] <diddledan> indeed
[17:46] <awilkins> Traffic related deaths in UK per year : 2175 (or 6 per day)
[17:47] <awilkins> Do we declare war on motorism? Do we buggery.
[17:47] <bashrc_> are they banning freedom now? Should I head to the bunker and raise the ubuntu flag?
[17:47] <diddledan> it's this type of government that scares me, not the potential for terrorism
[17:48] <awilkins> The potential for terrorism is ALWAYS there. Pervasive comms surveillance will never stop it, because you can avoid it all with basic common sense and cold war tradecraft
[17:48] <diddledan> I worry that I worry too much though
[17:49] <awilkins> Bear in mind that Charlie Hebdo must have annoyed a lot of capitalists over the years too
[17:49] <diddledan> I cannot convince my family that misgovernment is an issue tho - like I tried to explain why the ISP filtering requirement was a bad thing, but they just wouldn't accept what I was saying
[17:49] <diddledan> probably find I wasn't articulating well though, I guess
[17:50] <awilkins> Excellent tactic though, isn't it "You don't want to protect the children YOU WANT TO LOOK AT NAKED LADIES"
[17:51] <diddledan> yeah, "I opted out of the defaul-on filtering". reply: "oh, you're a pervert?!"
[17:51] <bashrc_> the problem is when the government itself becomes a terrorist and preys on its population
[17:52] <diddledan> I mean, yes, I am a pervert, but that's not the point!
[17:52] <awilkins> They're solidly in that camp already
[17:52] <awilkins> Today I learned that Osborne is holding back £30B of National Insurance payments
[17:52] <diddledan> o_O
[17:52] <diddledan> that's kind of him
[17:52] <bashrc_> holding back?
[17:52] <awilkins> Because legally he can't spend it on anything but i) welfare ii) NHS and that doesn't fit into their plans to demoralize the workforce and privatize the NHS
[17:53] <awilkins> That's about 1/3 the NHS budget or 1/4 the welfare budget depending on where your priorities lie
[17:53] <bashrc_> he could abolish all food banks with that
[17:54] <awilkins> http://www.welfareweekly.com/opinion-30-billion-national-insurance-surplus-kick-teeth-starving-families/
[17:54] <awilkins> I read someone's paper about benefit sanctions the other week
[17:54] <awilkins> That's state-sponsored terrorism if anything is
[17:55] <awilkins> People sanctioned for being 2 minutes late for a Job Centre appointment, because they went to a job interview. And they'd have been sanctioned for missing it.
[17:56] <bashrc_> been there, done that
[17:56] <awilkins> People being sanctioned for having a target of 6 job applications a week, applying for 4 on Monday and 4 on Friday.
[17:56] <awilkins> The accounting is done Tuesday! Sorry! Sanctioned!
[17:57] <bashrc_> sanctions should be banned imho. I've seen how they're used at the sharp end
[17:57] <bashrc_> and it's pretty ugly
[17:57] <awilkins> I'm pretty convinced of the Universal Basic Income idea now
[17:58] <bashrc_> me too
[17:59] <bashrc_> with sanctions you see good people who are trying to do the rihgt thing, and who sometimes also have responsibilities to children, being punished by inflexible rules designed to trick them. People get pushed into destitution and food banks
[18:09] <diddledan> self-employed tax isn't fun either - apparently they require that in your first year self-employed you need to pay two years' tax
[18:09] <ali1234> luckily for me 2x nothing is still nothing
[18:13] <ali1234> a picture of two floppy disks with no caption is my most popular G+ post of all time
[18:19] <awilkins> Did it occupy exactly 2.88MB ?
[18:20] <awilkins> ali1234, Don't you work for BitCoin?
[18:23] <ali1234> awilkins: no that's azelphur
[18:23] <awilkins> Fairy snuff
[18:23] <ali1234> i would accept bitcoins but nobody wanted to pay me with them yet
[18:25] <awilkins> Still have to pay your taxes :P http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-2550949/Do-bitcoins-tax-liability.html
[18:26] <ali1234> only if i earn more than £10000
[18:27] <awilkins> Well, that's fine. No problem with honest taxpayers, even if their tax bill is zero
[18:44]  * Azelphur waves
[18:44] <Azelphur> and yea, I know they have tax liability, that's been that way for a while
[18:44] <ali1234> it's always been the way
[18:45] <ali1234> even if you are paid in carrots you still have to pay tax
[18:47] <Azelphur> new world currency, I demand to be paid in carrots.
[18:48] <ali1234> btw this rule even applies to intangible goods
[18:49] <ali1234> eg if you fix my car and i mow your lawn we both still have to pay tax
[18:52] <shauno> I wonder what 20% of a mowed lawn is
[18:52] <ali1234> whatever your accountant can argue
[18:54] <Azelphur> I'd love to know how they enforce that
[18:56] <ali1234> audits
[18:57] <Azelphur> auditing my front yard
[18:57] <Azelphur> serious business
[18:57] <shauno> curious, do you say yard or garden?
[18:57] <ali1234> garden
[18:57] <Azelphur> I slip between American and English constantly
[22:38] <dogmatic69_> gah, cant update because the boot partition is full
[22:40] <daftykins> heh
[22:40] <daftykins> old kernels?
[22:40] <dogmatic69_> yep
[22:40] <daftykins> tune2fs to remove root reservation?
[22:40] <shauno> surely root owns those already anyway?
[22:40] <dogmatic69_> I have been through this before, loading some kind of live disk, resized reboot, 5 times....
[22:41] <shauno> just remove some old ones?
[22:41] <dogmatic69_> I resized it to something like 1gb reboot, and it was only half what I resized
[22:42] <daftykins> yeah why are you keeping 'em 0o
[22:42] <diddledan> apt-get autoremove usually gets rid of any cruft
[22:42] <dogmatic69_> I am not especially keeping anything
[22:43] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/yHtk0hfR
[22:44] <dogmatic69_> apt-get autoremove cleaned up 30mb now
[22:44] <dogmatic69_> \o/
[22:44] <dogmatic69_> 15%...
[22:46] <daftykins> just nuke a few of those earlier ones
[22:46] <daftykins> dpkg -l | grep linux-image-
[22:47] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/aAEWfWMh
[22:47] <dogmatic69_> Current is Linux optimus-prime 3.13.0-40-generic
[22:48] <shauno> I dunno what I just watched on film4, but I think it's won the award for "worst movie I've ever watched"
[22:49] <dogmatic69_> shauno: Gigli?
[22:49] <shauno> "storage 24"
[22:49] <dogmatic69_> maybe you want to update this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst
[22:49] <dogmatic69_> :)
[22:50] <daftykins> dogmatic69_: copy the package names and just run "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.13.0-35-generic linux-image-3.13.0-36-generic ..." but leave two current ones, then do an apt-get autoremove too
[22:51] <dogmatic69_> I found some command last time that done a sed and removed it all.. Will try find it again
[22:53] <daftykins> what's the point when you can copy and paste quicker :>
[22:53] <daftykins> in fact this'll give you a fair chunk of room
[22:53] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.8* "
[22:53] <daftykins> no point having old 3.8's on
[22:53] <shauno> wasn't there some 'janitor' thing that handled this?
[22:54] <daftykins> oh there's only one anyway
[22:54] <diddledan> shauno, autoremove usually does it
[22:54] <diddledan> apt helpfully tells you when it can do that, too
[22:54] <diddledan> "the following packages are no longer required. use apt-get autoremove to remove them."
[22:57] <daftykins> that autoremove only does it on newer versions
[23:02] <dogmatic69_> used synaptic to remove them, now have 70mb free
[23:02] <dogmatic69_> only .39 .40 left
[23:02] <daftykins> \o/
[23:03] <dogmatic69_> actually... 150mb free
[23:03] <dogmatic69_> double \o/
[23:03] <dogmatic69_> ta
[23:03] <dogmatic69_> and upto date now
[23:03] <dogmatic69_> ga... its installing .44 :/
[23:04] <dogmatic69_> more fud
[23:06] <daftykins> :D
[23:27] <diddledan> I'm not sure a new kernel qualifies as "fear uncertainty and doubt"
[23:41] <mapps> hi all
[23:41] <mapps> ;]
[23:43]  * zmoylan-pi is battening down the hatches for 1.5 of snow. http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/up-to-3cm-of-snow-to-fall-tonight-and-tomorrow-says-met-eireann-657809.html
[23:43] <zmoylan-pi> 1.5"
[23:45] <shauno> sweet
[23:45] <mapps> snow in ireland eh
[23:45] <zmoylan-pi> makes a change from the rain
[23:46] <shauno> lol.  what an optimist
[23:46] <shauno> I know galway.  it'll mean no change at all.  just rain
[23:46] <zmoylan-pi> or the fog. or the mist. or the hail. or the sleet. or the... well that's about it really :-)
[23:49] <diddledan> yey for netflix thinking I'm american
[23:49] <shauno> heh.  mine's kinda messed up for that :/
[23:50] <shauno> the program guide bit thinks I'm american, but the playback bit doesn't.  so it gives me a wonderful selection of stuff to watch, and then laughs in my face when I try to watch them
[23:50] <diddledan> lol
[23:51] <diddledan> I can't watch a series without interrupting it because it errors when switching between episodes
[23:59] <shauno> ugh, just read that stuff about trying to ban encrypted chat services