[04:17] <bduk> more almal
[06:09] <SubOracle> Morning all
[06:31] <bduk> Hi SubOracle 
[07:06] <Kilos> afternoon za peeps
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[07:07]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:08] <Kilos> hi thoquz  you still here
[07:08] <Kilos> thats good
[07:08] <thoquz> Hey, I'm here
[07:08] <Kilos> morning superfly  inetpro  nuvolari  Squirm  octoquad  nlsthzn  bduk  bushtech  
[07:09] <inetpro> good mornings 
[07:09] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:09] <Kilos> hehe
[07:09] <Kilos> are you at work yet or still loafing inetpro  
[07:09] <inetpro> loafing, what is that?
[07:10] <Kilos> what you are doing when you go hmm...
[07:10] <inetpro> ai!
[07:10] <Kilos> you know i mean still on holls man
[07:10]  * inetpro is always at work
[07:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:11] <Kilos> today i need to chat to someone who has a lappy with ssd in it
[07:11] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:11] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:12] <Kilos> only thing i can think of why this ssd gives hassles is it might have gpd mbr issues
[07:13] <Kilos> smartctl shows no errors ever reported or anything else thats not good
[07:13] <Kilos> gpt
[07:13] <Kilos> uefie thing
[07:16] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:21] <bduk> Morning all
[07:22] <bduk> kilos, what is a goog burner to use in kubuntu
[07:22] <Kilos> k3b
[07:22] <Kilos> the best touse anywhere
[07:22] <Kilos> dvd?
[07:22] <bduk> Doesnt start up
[07:22] <Squirm> morning all
[07:22] <bduk> yes
[07:23] <bduk> more Squirm 
[07:23] <Kilos> what doesnt start up?
[07:23] <superfly> bduk: run it from the command line and see if you see an error message
[07:23] <Kilos> hows Squirm  
[07:23] <Squirm> Kilos: He's good
[07:24] <bduk> Thanks Squirm  trying brasero first 
[07:24] <Squirm> pleasure bduk
[07:24] <Squirm> and I use Brasero
[07:27] <Kilos> bduk  are you on kubuntu
[07:27] <Kilos> Squirm  have you use k3b
[07:27] <Kilos> used
[07:28] <Squirm> I don't use KDE
[07:28] <Squirm> but no
[07:28] <Squirm> I haven't
[07:28] <Kilos> no matter man i even install it on unity
[07:28] <Kilos> imo better burner
[07:28]  * Squirm shrugs
[07:28] <Squirm> brasero did what I needed it to do
[07:29] <Kilos> i had some prob when trying to burn something and brasero failed and k3b worked
[07:29] <Kilos> so ive stuck with it
[07:30] <Kilos> now bduk  gotta install brasero to kde?
[07:31] <bduk> Just playing around with it but already not convinsed
[07:34] <Kilos> sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdc shows me
[07:34] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2TMCorpvU
[07:34] <Kilos> can that gpt stuff there be hassling me
[07:40] <Squirm> Kilos: what's your problem?
[07:40] <Kilos> struggle to install. zero drive then can install but withing 3 days probs start. like hanging etc
[07:41] <Kilos> ive checked everything i think and only thing left is that gpt might be causing probs
[07:42] <Kilos> i cant just do a clean install at all
[07:42] <Kilos> says it cant write /
[07:44] <Kilos> i think i must go this route
[07:44] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/211477/how-to-remove-gpt-from-hdd
[07:52] <Squirm> umm
[07:52] <Squirm> Kilos
[07:52] <Squirm> if you format a drive, it removes GPT anywya
[07:52] <Kilos> ya?
[07:52] <Squirm> anyway
[07:52] <Kilos> i dont think so
[07:53] <Squirm> well, you have a choice between GPT and MBR, you can't have both
[07:53] <Kilos> mbr or gpt are in fist few bytesd that formatting doesnt delete
[07:53] <Kilos> yip i want mbr
[07:53] <Squirm> and if you have MBR, then you don't have GPT
[07:54] <Kilos> and maybe also i gotta turn off uefi in bios
[07:54] <Squirm> if UEFI was causing an issue, you wouldn't even be able to boot
[07:54] <Kilos> i read once that gpt can leave residue behind that interferes with mbr
[07:55] <Kilos> listen again. if i zero the ssd then i can install and it works for a couple of days
[07:55] <Kilos> i cant do a clean install after that first install works
[07:56] <Squirm> and if you zero the drive, it should replace everything with 0's
[07:56] <Squirm> MBR, GPT, all your blocks
[07:56] <Kilos> yip
[07:56] <Squirm> so GPT is removed then anyway
[07:56] <Kilos> but gdisks shows there still some gpt stuff there
[07:57] <Squirm> and again it'd be overwritten when you setup the mbr
[07:57] <Kilos> so now i wanna force mbr in and gpt out
[07:57] <Squirm> I still don't think that's your problem
[07:58] <Kilos> if i dont first zero the drive i cant install anything on it
[07:58] <Kilos> like i cant install xp even
[07:58] <Squirm> why?
[07:58] <Squirm> what does it do??
[07:58] <Kilos> or any ubuntu flavour
[08:00] <Kilos> xp takes forever to get to where it parts the drive and i can go the whole route of making only xp then when it tries to install it runs and runs then gives error unable to format
[08:00] <Kilos> win7 does same
[08:01] <Kilos> linux gets to parting and i can let it erase and use entire disk then when running for hours it sayd cant write to /
[08:03] <Kilos> same with manually setting up partitions
[08:05] <Kilos> ive even used gparted check function and no errors anywhere
[08:19] <Kilos> just used parted and entered this command
[08:19] <Kilos> mklabel msdos
[08:19] <Kilos> no trying 12.04.2 install
[08:29] <Kilos> 12.04 in
[08:36] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[08:37] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[08:37] <Kilos> hi Rynomster  
[08:37] <Kilos> haha wb
[08:37] <Kilos> you just wanted to be greeted twice?
[08:45] <Rynomster> hehe yea :P
[08:45] <Kilos> rofl
[08:49] <Rynomster> im sitting at the beach working
[08:50] <Kilos> lekker
[08:55] <Rynomster> hehe I met the right people :P they gave me an extension cord and wifi access
[08:55] <Kilos> cool
[09:08] <superfly> nice, Rynomster. which beach?
[09:08] <Rynomster> Port Edward, one of the little hidden beahes
[09:09] <Rynomster> beaches
[09:09] <Rynomster> its very windy today though, so going to go chill at the restaurant
[09:14] <Squirm> Rynomster: that's a nice town
[09:14] <Squirm> well, went there quite a while ago
[09:16] <Rynomster> its beautiful :)
[09:28] <superfly> I've heard of it, never been there.
[09:28] <Kilos> most southerly dorp in natal 
[09:29] <Kilos> stayed at the police camp for few months while working at voortrekker starnd
[09:29] <Kilos> strand
[09:50] <thoquz> Have any sand entered the fan holes on the laptop? How do you remove it?
[10:01] <Kilos> carefully
[10:03] <Kilosssd> hmm... 
[10:03] <Kilosssd> now to try crash it
[10:04] <thoquz> Hey, crash what?
[10:08] <Kilos> lol the ssd with 12.04 on
[10:08] <inetpro> Kilos: take a hammer
[10:08] <Kilos> if it allows me to install another os alongside i think its fixed
[10:09] <Kilos> inetpro  its too expensive to flatten before trying every option there is
[10:17] <Kilosssd> wbb if at all possible
[10:31] <Kilos> hmm... resizing takes a while
[10:42] <Kilos> configuring hardware 
[11:25] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos - you still playing Minetest?
[11:29] <Kilos> Trixar_za  no data to play anymore man
[11:29]  * Kilos cries
[11:52] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it does eat data for breakfast, huh?
[11:57] <Kilos> hehe
[11:57] <Kilos> can blow 2g in a day
[11:58] <Kilos> thats my data for 2 months
[11:58] <Kilos> Maaz  seen thatgraemeguy
[11:58] <Maaz> Kilos: thatgraemeguy was last seen 1 day, 17 hours, 7 minutes and 6 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-10 10:51:22 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-01-11 10:24:13 PST
[11:58] <Trixar_za> A 100MB or so I can understand, but 2Gb? You must be really into it :P
[11:58] <Kilos> ask inetpro  
[11:59] <Trixar_za> I know somebody that hosts serveral servers, but he requests that they be 'different'
[11:59] <Trixar_za> The one has moon gravity and if you go to far away from the 'base' you start to sufficate
[11:59] <Trixar_za> lol
[11:59] <Trixar_za> It's really nice
[11:59] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him how much data goes with minetest
[11:59] <Kilos> oh my
[12:00] <Kilos> hey Trixar_za   how come you not involved in helping get our site goping
[12:00] <Kilos> going
[12:00] <Trixar_za> A site for what?
[12:00] <Kilos> you gotta wait now till the fly posts the info
[12:01] <Kilos> our ubuntu site man
[12:01] <Kilos> being improved and stuff
[12:05] <superfly> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/bzr-tutorial/view/head:/pages/bazaar-tutorial.rst
[12:06] <Trixar_za> I'm pretty sure fly would do a better job at it
[12:06] <superfly> Trixar_za: actually, all we need now is content.
[12:06] <Kilos> we all gotta help man he doesnt have time to do everything on his own
[12:50] <kilosssd> hmm... running from 2 12.04'2 alonmgside
[13:27] <Squirm> Hey superfly, Trixar_za
[13:36] <superfly> hey Squirm
[13:49] <inetpro> kilosssd: what you mean with "running from 2 12.04'2 alonmgside"?
[13:50] <Kilos> 12.04.5 alongside 12.04.2
[13:50] <Kilos> oh you spoke to him
[13:51] <Kilos> sigh
[13:51] <inetpro> running both simultaneously on the same SSD?
[13:51] <kilosssd> no man 
[13:51] <kilosssd> you choose one at a time to boot from
[13:52] <inetpro> ai!
[13:52] <kilosssd> but before i could get nothing alongside anything else
[13:52] <kilosssd> how do you get both to run same time
[13:53] <Kilos> simultaneously = same time
[13:57] <inetpro> well surely one partition is just inactive while the other is active? 
[13:58] <inetpro> whatever file system you have on the inactive partition should be irrelevant 
[13:59] <Kilos> so how can you ask if they running simultaneously
[13:59] <inetpro> that's what it looked like to me when reading your message
[14:00] <inetpro> just doesn't make sense
[14:00] <Kilos> ai!
[14:00] <Kilos> strydom
[14:01] <Kilos> next move is to bring the ssd here and clean install 14.04 kde
[14:02] <Kilos> then if it crashes ill strat digging my grave
[14:02] <inetpro> just keep the partitions as they are now
[14:02] <Kilos> ok
[14:03] <inetpro> and don't go messing with the mbr again
[14:03] <Kilos> i googled spanne and dont see that there should be any diffs between installing to ssd or hdd
[14:06] <Kilos> ian said something about win8 having the os hidden somewhere on drive because they dont supply dvds anymore
[14:06] <Kilos> so im not sure what caused this hassle
[14:07] <Kilos> maybe was in a uefi lappy
[14:13] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep. they dont want to come past where the snake got the other one
[15:07] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:08] <Kilos> sticking flies in top of needles all over dont work as scarecrows for other flies
[15:14] <Squirm> home time
[15:14] <Squirm> it's been a long day
[15:14] <magespawn> hi Squirm 
[15:14] <magespawn> just in time to hi
[15:15] <magespawn> Kilos: ping
[15:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn  sorry was outside
[15:39] <Kilos> oh magespawn  pong as well
[15:40] <magespawn> cool beans Kilos 
[15:41] <Kilos> what?
[15:42] <magespawn> just saying hi is all
[15:43] <Kilos> lol oh hi hi magespawn  
[15:43] <Kilos> dunno where the cool beans come in but ya
[15:44] <Kilos> its an idea to add beans in tomato sauce to my curry i think
[15:48] <magespawn> beans are always cool, and very under used when cooking
[15:48] <magespawn> cool beans = lekker
[15:49] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[16:33] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[16:33] <Tonberry> hi
[16:55] <magespawn> gotta go chat later all
[17:47] <captine> evening all
[17:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:47] <Kilos> hi captine  
[17:49] <Kilos> gonna bring the ssd here and see what crashes
[17:51] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:54] <captine> quick one for the KVM people.  installed some VM's using Virtual Machine Manager (which i believe to be the gui for qemu/kvm vms).  machine boots and is set with a bridged network (all done using the gui tool).  The machine gets the IP address assigned to it (10.0.10.50) from my network dhcp server.  I can ping the world from the VM (google.com) and can ping my file server etc, but cannot ping the host machine of the vm or connect to the vm's webserver fr
[17:54] <captine> om the host machine
[17:55] <captine> just tested and can connect to the vm's webserver from another computer
[17:55] <captine> very confused
[17:55] <captine> is this normal?
[17:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:03] <captine> yip.
[18:03] <captine> frustrating as virtualbox worked well, but my skills may need enhancing for kvm....
[18:06] <kilosssd> hmm...
[18:07] <kilosssd> moved working ssd from old pc to here and it works
[18:07] <kilosssd> and i learned something else now
[18:08] <kilosssd> 12.04 cant see d-link modems
[18:08] <kilosssd> if booting from scratch. but if a reboot from a drive that sees the modem then drive stays alive and 12.04 sees it
[18:09] <kilosssd> this pc switches everything off on shutdown, and then dlink sleeps too
[18:09] <kilosssd> on old pc usb things stay alive
[18:12] <captine> :)
[18:13] <kilosssd> how do i now keep one osb socket alive?
[18:13] <kilosssd> usb
[18:15] <kilosssd> inetpro, you here?
[18:15] <inetpro> not really, why?
[18:15] <kilosssd> hahaha
[18:16] <kilosssd> i have turned off all eufi stuff here in bios, ssd works here with installs from old pc
[18:16] <kilosssd> how dow i install kde now without changing tha=e partitions
[18:17] <kilosssd> everything is diffewrent here so swap must grow for starters
[18:17] <inetpro> ai!
[18:18] <inetpro> you have never installed without messing up your partitions?
[18:18] <kilosssd> sorry for all the typos
[18:18] <kilosssd> yes when i made the partitions and not let ubuntu make them
[18:19] <kilosssd> like i always make / and /home
[18:19] <kilosssd> here linux made what it wanted
[18:20] <kilosssd> and 2g swap
[18:20] <kilosssd> and i got 4g ram so want 4g swap too
[18:21] <superfly> captine: for anything other than toy virtualisation, VirtualBox sucks. I've used KVM a little.
[18:21] <superfly> captine: are you sure your VM's network adapter is using bridged mode and not NAT?
[18:25] <inetpro> kilosssd: there's really no rocket science in creating your own partitions and telling ubuntu to use those in stead of doing it's automated thing
[18:26] <kilosssd> ya man but i was trying to just get the ssd working. now its working i will make home apartheid
[18:27] <inetpro> just read the screen
[18:27] <kilosssd> huh?
[18:27] <inetpro> the options are there during installation
[18:28] <kilosssd> ya other
[18:28] <kilosssd> then you choose everything
[18:28] <inetpro> no
[18:28] <kilosssd> i havent noticed one that will install to same place as old os
[18:28] <kilosssd> what have i missed
[18:30] <inetpro> I really don't know the screens and all the options but I have not re-arranged my partitions for many years
[18:31] <kilosssd> oh dont you make a separate /home
[18:32] <inetpro> yes, but I set up my partitions manually on first installation
[18:33] <kilosssd> ya well then i must do a clean install on the ssd man
[18:34] <inetpro> my partitions are; root, swap, spare and data. That's it!
[18:34] <kilosssd> dont forget i was still trying to get the thing working properly
[18:34] <kilosssd> oh no /home
[18:34] <inetpro> well my data goes into /data
[18:34] <kilosssd> you leave home in root
[18:36] <captine> superfly, definitely using bridge
[18:36] <captine> using a windows machine, i can connect to it's webserver
[18:36] <captine> using the hosts machine, i cannot connect 
[18:36] <inetpro> $ sudo mkdir /data/my && sudo chown ME:ME /data/my && sudo ln -s /data/my /home/ME/my
[18:37] <kilosssd> sjoe
[18:39] <kilosssd> i think ill keep this 12.04 unity here and delete the second one and install kde to there
[18:39] <inetpro> now when I install a fresh release my spare partition becomes root and the previous root just gets a new label
[18:39] <captine> maybe i should just try lxc or docker, instead of full VM's....
[18:39] <kilosssd> eish inetpro thats ingewikkeled man
[18:39] <inetpro> and ubuntu takes care about creating the bootup menu so I can revert to the previous version if I have to
[18:40] <inetpro> very simple stuff
[18:40] <superfly> captine: Windows host name?
[18:40] <captine> ?
[18:40] <kilosssd> yeah like fixing a torque converter
[18:40] <superfly> captine: sorry, what are you running where?
[18:41] <kilosssd> inetpro, sssshh hulle besig
[18:41] <captine> ok.  my mac mini is running ubuntu desktop on "bare metal" with kvm and an ubuntu vm called "weberp".  Ubuntu desktop called "mini", ubuntu server called weberp.
[18:41] <captine> windows machine is a laptop
[18:41] <inetpro> hulle kan tussen die lyne lees
[18:42] <captine> all are in the 10.0.10.0 range
[18:42] <superfly> captine: ah, OK, gotcha.
[18:42] <superfly> captine: can you "ping weberp" from your ubuntu desktop (aka mac)
[18:42] <captine> just really strange that the hypervisor cannot browse to the vm's address....
[18:42] <captine> nope
[18:43] <captine> says no route
[18:43] <captine> From mini.captine.za.net (10.0.10.115) icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
[18:43] <superfly> what does "ip route" say?
[18:43] <captine> traceroute to weberp (10.0.10.50), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[18:43] <captine>  1  mini.captine.za.net (10.0.10.115)  3000.063 ms !H  2999.959 ms !H  2999.929
[18:44] <superfly> captine: do you have an external domain called "captine.za.net" ?
[18:44] <captine> dynamic dns
[18:44] <captine> my proxy issues that
[18:44] <captine> i mean router
[18:44] <superfly> not a good idea to make your internal domain name the same as your external domain
[18:44] <captine> running pfsense.  you can see it gives out the ip address correcly
[18:44] <magespawn> good evening 
[18:44] <captine> superfly, i meant to go with .local 
[18:45] <superfly> but I don't think it's that
[18:45] <superfly> hi magespawn
[18:45] <captine> router should be blocking all incoming traffic
[18:45] <captine> so am not too stressed.
[18:45] <superfly> BTW http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/7/7508651/leap-second-2015-earths-rotation-slowing
[18:46] <superfly> captine: it's not about incoming traffic, it's about your computers getting confused because they're trying to resolve DNS externally for an internal network.
[18:46] <superfly> captine: but as i said, I doubt it's that in this case
[18:47] <captine> cool.
[18:47] <captine> i will look at changgin it in the future.  just a single line ont he proxy.
[18:47] <magespawn> hey superfly captine 
[18:47] <captine> hi magespawn 
[18:48] <magespawn> network problems captine 
[18:48] <magespawn> ?
[18:48] <inetpro> superfly: hopefully the master clocks will take care of all that
[18:48] <superfly> captine: what does the "ip route" command on the mac tell you?
[18:48] <captine> sorry.  not sure of that command
[18:49] <captine> how do i run it>?
[18:49] <inetpro> captine: is it not a firewall issue on pfsense?
[18:50] <captine> shouldnt be.  used virtualbox fine when the mac was running osx.  also worked fine in virtualbox on my macbook pro some time back when that had ubuntu
[18:50] <captine> wonder if it some crappy mac network hardware that doesnt have good drivers for ubuntu>
[18:50] <captine> maybe?
[18:51] <captine> let me browse the firewall
[18:51] <captine> rules
[18:52] <inetpro> sounds odd
[18:53] <captine> yip.  am tempted to install virtualbox to see if i get the same thing
[18:55] <inetpro> captine: netstat -ar
[18:55] <captine> http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Guest_can_reach_outside_network,_but_can%27t_reach_host_%28macvtap%29
[18:55] <captine> think i have the answer
[18:56] <captine> per this, it is expected that the host cannot communicate to the vm when using the bridge
[18:56] <captine> they have some "workaround" i am readin on
[18:57] <captine> very weird
[18:59] <inetpro> yep very weird, nice that you found that
[19:00] <inetpro> virtualised networking still makes my head spin in circles 
[19:01] <captine> yip.  it is giving me a headache
[19:02] <kilosssd> inetpro, remember  my data for maaz
[19:02] <inetpro> captine: so nice but can get very messy
[19:02] <kilosssd> maybe i must save it to stick too
[19:03] <inetpro> kilosssd: what are you talking about?
[19:03] <captine> inetpro, that's why i normally just bridge everything...  let the dhcp take care of it on the network... but it is hving a downside with this kvm
[19:04] <kilosssd> i need to sleep so no energy to do installs and want to look more at
[19:04] <kilosssd> sudo mkdir /data/my && sudo chown ME:ME /data/my && sudo ln -s /data/my /home/ME/my
[19:04] <kilosssd> maaz my data
[19:04] <Maaz> sudo mkdir /data/my && sudo chown ME:ME /data/my && sudo ln -s /data/my /home/ME/my
[19:04] <inetpro> ai!
[19:05] <kilosssd> that will need some explaining when i got energy
[19:05] <kilosssd> like me is miles but wth is my
[19:05] <inetpro> that is a name for a folder
[19:07] <inetpro> kilosssd: after having done that I can see contents of the folder as follows: 'ls -l ~/my/' 
[19:07] <superfly> captine: in your terminal, type in "ip<space>route" and press your enter key
[19:07] <superfly> captine: I was using KVM but never had that problem, from what I can recall
[19:11] <kilosssd> ive saved all of that inetpro but it gonna take lotsa thinking on my part
[19:11] <kilosssd> making a /home partition seems much easier
[19:12] <kilosssd> to me anyway
[19:12] <inetpro> kilosssd: oh you are most welcome to do it your way
[19:13]  * inetpro just saying that is how I do it
[19:14] <kilosssd> ok now listen carefully
[19:14] <inetpro> the point is, you do not need to re-arrange partitions on each installation
[19:14] <kilosssd> can i do that in this working system
[19:15] <inetpro> ai!
[19:15] <kilosssd> what now
[19:15] <inetpro> what do you want to do now?
[19:16] <kilosssd> now i want to sleep. but i was thinking what you said about not changing partitions
[19:17] <kilosssd> why havent you blogged it
[19:17] <inetpro> why should I?
[19:18] <kilosssd> so you can just give links and not nead to work things out everytime
[19:18] <inetpro> uh
[19:19] <kilosssd> you could have one page as kilos kinda help page
[19:20] <inetpro> no, no, no, no
[19:20] <kilosssd> and another for normal geeks
[19:20] <inetpro> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[19:20] <kilosssd> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:20] <captine> superfly, http://slexy.org/view/s20q8FcO60
[19:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[19:21] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:22] <kilosssd> night all. sleep tight
[19:22] <superfly> captine: ThatGraemeGuy can probably help you better than I can
[19:22] <Kilos> night peeps. see ya moerrow
[19:22] <captine> superfly, thanks.  night Kilos 
[19:22] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, you have a minute or 20 for some kvm questions
[19:23] <inetpro> captine: you use both eth0 and wlan0 on the same network at the same time?
[19:24] <captine> it only uses the one
[19:24] <captine> i can disconnect the wireless
[19:24] <captine> it just connects
[19:24] <captine> disconnected wifi now
[19:26] <inetpro> captine: I see three different networks; 10.0.3.0/24, 10.0.10.0/24 and 192.168.122.0/24
[19:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> captine: sure, I can't guarantee I can answer any though. I don't have a lot of deep KVM knowledge. Using proxmox, which hides all the deeper stuff
[19:26] <inetpro> you mind explaining the problem again?
[19:26] <captine> sure.
[19:28] <captine> so first, i tried proxmox but the kernel requires some manual building of modules which i wasnt in the mood for, so:  I have Ubuntu desktop installed as a "bare metal" host system on a mac mini.  I installed virtual machine manager and kvm.  i have 1 vm (ubuntu server 14.04) running using a bridged network.  the vm cannot ping the host and the host cannot ping the vm but other machines on the network can communicate with both and visa versa
[19:29] <captine> found this which states the host shouldnt be able to see the vm's...  http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Guest_can_reach_outside_network,_but_can%27t_reach_host_%28macvtap%29
[19:29] <captine> when in bridge mode... so am trying to figure out the workaround
[19:29] <captine> or may just go back to virtualbox....
[19:30] <captine> inetpro, i think the 10.0.3.0/24 network was setup when i installed juju, and am guessing it is the lxc network
[19:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah you've already lost me, sorry :)
[19:30] <captine> lol.  how u finding proxmox
[19:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> works for us
[19:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> install it, use it. end.
[19:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[19:31] <captine> was dead keen to run it, but as I said, having no network working, and then needing to use memory sticks to transfer modules and build them for the network was too much effort
[19:31] <captine> u use it at work?
[19:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[19:31] <captine> nice.  my company insist on windows 2012 hyperv on an ibm pureflex
[19:32] <captine> i hope for some linux to take over our infrastructure...
[19:32] <captine> :)
[19:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> we only run debian in my team
[19:32] <captine> stock debian, or ubuntu etc
[19:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the rest of the company is debian/centos
[19:32] <captine> if you dont mind me asking, which company do you work for?
[19:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> only windows stuff in our DCs is what customers run on their root servers
[19:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> I work for Hetzner
[19:33] <captine> ah.  cool
[19:33] <captine> and proxmox is the tool for all your vms or just for your team?
[19:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> we don't have a VM product offering, but we use proxmox for internal stuff
[19:34] <captine> nice
[19:34] <captine> i will be sure to mention it to my windows admins...
[19:34] <captine> :)
[19:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> test environments, debian repo mirrors, etc.
[19:35] <captine> anyhow, going to go crash.  night all.
[19:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> night
[20:47] <magespawn> good night all