[00:27] <knome> http://mirror.anl.gov/
[00:27] <knome> oops. :)
[00:27] <knome> so, they are quitting
[00:27] <knome> that's the mirror we're linking to from our download page for US
[00:44] <Unit193> Awwwh.
[00:45] <knome> good thing i've just gone through the official ubuntu cd mirrors list and know which mirrors share xubuntu
[00:45] <knome> so it should be almost a no-brainer
[00:46] <knome> if you're logged in: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/mirrors/
[04:57] <pleia2> knome: battling the flu, added to my list for when I'm more lucid :)
[05:07] <ochosi> humm, another fork, why not just contribute, i wonder... https://sites.google.com/site/chaletoslinux/home
[08:57] <ochosi> ali1234: what's the status of your Orion branch btw?
[08:57] <ali1234> it has squashed menus and selectors, other than that it is same as greybird
[09:01] <ochosi> okeydokey
[09:02] <ochosi> then just lemme know when you feel it's ready to get tested and i'll give it a shot
[09:02] <ali1234> it's ready for testing now if you ignore the squashed things
[09:03] <ochosi> right, squashed things sounds like it needs to be sorted before it can get merged
[09:03] <ochosi> most of the menu code should be the same between greybird and orion
[09:03] <ochosi> so you should be able to copy paste most of it
[09:04] <ali1234> it's not just menus though
[09:04] <ali1234> the menu code already is the same
[09:04] <ali1234> other things are squashed though
[09:20] <knome> ochosi, because obviously, xubuntu is so crap (:
[09:20] <knome> ochosi, and looks like he's going for a winxp-lookalike clone
[09:21] <ochosi> yeah
[09:21] <Luyin> whom are we mocking? :D
[09:21] <knome> xubuntu.
[09:22] <knome> ochosi, the thing that is the worst is that they don't have their contact information anywhere
[09:22] <ochosi> https://sites.google.com/site/chaletoslinux/about-author
[09:22] <ochosi> there is an email-address ^
[09:22] <knome> oh
[09:22]  * knome facepalms
[09:22] <knome> my excuse is that i've just woken up
[09:22] <ochosi> what's the second-worse thing?
[09:22] <ochosi> s/worse/worst/
[09:22] <knome> i'm not sure
[09:23] <ochosi> :]
[09:23] <knome> there are two candidates
[09:23] <knome> it's either
[09:23] <ochosi> i would say the winxp-looks :>
[09:24] <knome> 1) they don't collaborate with the xubuntu team and ask how they should proceed and then leave all xubuntu-traces there (i'm sure we will get support requests from that OS if people start using it)
[09:24] <knome> or 2) they only change a small bit that would be very easily changeable within the host OS and thus waste people's time and bandwidth when they are doing the distro-hopping/testing
[09:25] <knome> all the people who want a winxp-lookalike xubuntu should really just work together and build a metapackage that installs everything you need to make your system like that, then find somebody to upload and maintain it in the archive
[09:26] <knome> furthermore, i don't understand this:
[09:26] <knome>  Name ChaletOS came from the style of the mountain houses in Switzerland. The concept of these houses is similar to the concept that we had while we made this system: simplicity, beauty and recognizability. Since we want the new users feel at home, we expect this system to meet this goal. 
[09:27] <ochosi> yeah, i guess for most it's icons+theme+xfce-settings.xml
[09:28] <knome> that kind of high-flying advertising text written about xubuntu derivatives always makes me think the xubuntu team has failed what it is doing; or that the author is simply taking all the glory to themself
[09:28] <knome> there's no mention of switzerland in the xubuntu strategy document
[09:28] <knome> how is their OS suddenly so swiss?
[09:28] <knome> when you made what system? changed the theme configuration file?
[09:29] <knome> it might have wine preinstalled, there's a wine menuitem in one of the screenshots
[09:30] <knome> i mean i understand that somebody was having fun in creating that little project, making xubuntu boot and install so that it looks different
[09:30] <ochosi> might or might not. it's just a screenshot after all
[09:30] <knome> great, you've achieved your goal!
[09:31] <knome> https://sites.google.com/site/chaletoslinux/apps
[09:31] <knome> right, yeah, no wine mentioned
[09:31] <knome> they're installing both chrome and opera IN ADDITION to firefox
[09:31] <knome> uhh
[09:33] <knome> heh, it's also funny to see how he says that everything is familiar, then lists all of those "microsoft office webapps" and ultimately, ends the familiar names with telling how a thunar fork was made by an xfce user and tells how to enable a PPA ;)
[09:34] <knome> (^ if you wonder what's funny about it, that doesn't communicate familiarity to me)
[09:46] <knome> ok, i'm going phone-shopping now (:
[09:46] <knome> hf and ttyl
[09:46] <ochosi> good luck knome 
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> elfy, brainwash, if you still want to change the importance of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395720 I can do it
[10:52] <ochosi> bluesabre, Unit193: could either of you package this xdg-utils for -staging so we can get ppl to test it? https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xdg-utils/light-locker
[10:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: with light-locker 1.5.1 and latest xfpm, screensaver timeouts work correctly
[10:52] <ochosi> hm weird, ok, i'll do a clean install of vivid then...
[10:52] <ochosi> (tonight or asap)
[10:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you wanna give it some testing, just pull the branch and replace your local xdg-screensaver script with my version
[10:53] <ochosi> if after playing fullscreen in parole your timeout is what it was, we're good
[10:55] <bluesabre> I'll have to test it tonight... just did a reinstall last night, haven't set up my environment just yet
[10:55] <ochosi> right, well at least for that you don't need much of an env
[10:55] <ochosi> but yeah, no rush
[10:55] <bluesabre> yeah, the big part is for the packaging :)
[10:56] <ochosi> yup
[10:56] <ochosi> anyway, the changes to support light-locker should be tiny and trivial
[10:56] <ochosi> (assuming that the fd.org dbus interface works as expected)
[10:57] <bluesabre> does it work for you ? :)
[10:57] <ochosi> well, i couldn't test it because my setup is somehow broken
[10:58] <ochosi> as i said, the screen-blanking timeouts don't work atm with xfpm/ll
[10:58] <ochosi> or i guess they might somehow work if i manually set them with xset
[10:58] <bluesabre> yup
[10:58] <bluesabre> :D
[10:58] <ochosi> but i'd prefer if someone tried where everything is working
[11:01] <bluesabre> makes sense
[11:05] <bluesabre> gotta run for now, bbl
[11:06] <ochosi> have a good one, ttyl!
[11:06]  * ochosi is off for lunch
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> knome, your last docs revision (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/revision/279) gave me a few errors building them
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> http://pastebin.com/1eVeHjxQ
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> all related to the translations script
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> Unit193 ^^^
[12:29] <Unit193> I don't really agree about the ChaletOS thing, if contacted are we actually going to try and change Xubuntu to be more like Windows?  Not really, there was a spec about that even.  The support issue stands, though of course.
[12:44] <Unit193> slickymasterWork: And as to that, you need gnome-doc-utils installed, sudo apt get build-dep xubuntu-docs
[12:50] <slickymasterWork> right you are, Unit193 :)
[13:20] <brainwash_> ochosi: I'm using your xdg-screensaver and neither xdg-screensaver lock nor inhibit screen blanking while playing a movie do work
[13:21] <ochosi> hm, strange
[13:21] <brainwash_> do I have to upgrade light-locker?
[13:21] <brainwash_> 1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[13:21] <ochosi> you need 1.5.1
[13:22] <brainwash_> does "xdg-screensaver lock" work for you?
[13:22] <ochosi> the calls _should_ work with ll1.5.1, but i guess i'll have to check again
[13:22] <ochosi> i'm not at home now, so i can't test
[13:23] <brainwash_> ok, I'll gladly test it later again
[13:23] <ochosi> you could try the dbus calls from the script directly in the terminal
[13:23] <brainwash_> if you push more changes
[13:23] <ochosi> to see what sort of reply you're getting
[13:24] <brainwash_> sure
[13:25] <brainwash_> nothing at all, maybe there is something wrong with the dbus call
[13:26] <ochosi> yeah, it's possible, have to check again
[13:26] <brainwash_> ok :)
[13:26] <ochosi> last time i tried those fd.org dbus calls with light-locker, they worked
[13:26] <ochosi> thanks for testing either way
[13:34] <brainwash_> slickymasterWork: feel free to change the importance. I was just concerned about the security status (requesting a password and accepting any combination is a minor issue in a passworl-less environemt -> live session).
[17:13] <knome> Unit193, no, but we can steer them towards contributing back to ubuntu, in the sense that the modifications would be available in the archive
[20:15]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[23:31] <bluesabre> good evening folks!
[23:31] <knome> hullo bluesabre 
[23:31] <bluesabre> hiya knome
[23:31] <knome> everybody popping up at the same time
[23:31] <ochosi> evening
[23:32] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[23:32] <ochosi> well i'm about to sneak out
[23:32] <bluesabre> bai ochosi
[23:32] <knome> if you didn't live across the globe from ochosi, i could swear you'd have something fishy going on
[23:32] <knome> hah
[23:32] <ochosi> Unit193: meh, right, so that xfwm4 branch is extremely crashy/unusable when switching windows with alt-tab
[23:32] <ochosi> but good to know, thanks!
[23:32] <knome> ochosi, see my PM before you go-go (don't let me hanging on like a yo-yo=
[23:32] <Unit193> >_<
[23:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: any word whether your xdg-screensaver fixes actually fixes the issue?
[23:37] <knome> bluesabre, two possibilities; yes and no. does that help?
[23:37] <knome> (:
[23:37] <bluesabre> thanks knome!
[23:37] <bluesabre> that really simplifies things
[23:37] <knome> absolutely!
[23:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: not really
[23:43] <ochosi> i just tried the dbus commands that xdg-screensaver uses for the fd.org dubs
[23:43] <ochosi> dbus
[23:44] <ochosi> that doesn't seem to do anything, oddly
[23:44] <ochosi> but i could also be messing it up, mostly cause i'm tired
[23:44] <bluesabre> back to the drawing board
[23:44] <ochosi> might take a look later this week
[23:44] <ochosi> generally speaking, ll should support the fd.org dbus spec for screensavers
[23:44] <ochosi> so it _should_ work
[23:44] <bluesabre> :)
[23:45]  * ochosi shrugs
[23:45] <bluesabre> I use that word a lot too
[23:45] <bluesabre> "should"
[23:45] <bluesabre> :D
[23:45] <ochosi> i remember successfully testing the dbus interface
[23:45] <knome> heh
[23:45] <ochosi> this was what i just tried: "dbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver --type=method_call /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock"
[23:46] <ochosi> (light-locker is running)
[23:46] <knome> so did i understand you right that this channel is full of "shoulders"
[23:46]  * bluesabre thinks that is right
[23:46] <knome> look what i did there!!! ^
[23:46] <ochosi> bluesabre: and ll-command -l works fine
[23:46] <ochosi> so it's running and working
[23:46] <bluesabre> right
[23:46] <ochosi> maybe there is an issue with the dbus interface not being compiled in?
[23:46] <ochosi> packaging?
[23:47]  * ochosi doesn't remember whether there was a build-time switch for that
[23:48] <ochosi> maybe not
[23:48] <ochosi> anyway, too tired for anything now
[23:48] <ochosi> night all!
[23:49] <Unit193> Well, it's only one package right?  So make install  should be putting everything in the package.
[23:54] <brainwash_> bluesabre: can you please take a look at the recently attached log files in bug 1307545 ?
[23:54] <brainwash_> maybe you'll find something odd, or know how to further debug it