[00:27] http://mirror.anl.gov/ [00:27] oops. :) [00:27] so, they are quitting [00:27] that's the mirror we're linking to from our download page for US [00:44] Awwwh. [00:45] good thing i've just gone through the official ubuntu cd mirrors list and know which mirrors share xubuntu [00:45] so it should be almost a no-brainer [00:46] if you're logged in: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/mirrors/ [04:57] knome: battling the flu, added to my list for when I'm more lucid :) [05:07] humm, another fork, why not just contribute, i wonder... https://sites.google.com/site/chaletoslinux/home === AuAg is now known as AgAu [08:57] ali1234: what's the status of your Orion branch btw? [08:57] it has squashed menus and selectors, other than that it is same as greybird [09:01] okeydokey [09:02] then just lemme know when you feel it's ready to get tested and i'll give it a shot [09:02] it's ready for testing now if you ignore the squashed things [09:03] right, squashed things sounds like it needs to be sorted before it can get merged [09:03] most of the menu code should be the same between greybird and orion [09:03] so you should be able to copy paste most of it [09:04] it's not just menus though [09:04] the menu code already is the same [09:04] other things are squashed though [09:20] ochosi, because obviously, xubuntu is so crap (: [09:20] ochosi, and looks like he's going for a winxp-lookalike clone [09:21] yeah [09:21] whom are we mocking? :D [09:21] xubuntu. [09:22] ochosi, the thing that is the worst is that they don't have their contact information anywhere [09:22] https://sites.google.com/site/chaletoslinux/about-author [09:22] there is an email-address ^ [09:22] oh [09:22] * knome facepalms [09:22] my excuse is that i've just woken up [09:22] what's the second-worse thing? [09:22] s/worse/worst/ [09:22] i'm not sure [09:23] :] [09:23] there are two candidates [09:23] it's either [09:23] i would say the winxp-looks :> [09:24] 1) they don't collaborate with the xubuntu team and ask how they should proceed and then leave all xubuntu-traces there (i'm sure we will get support requests from that OS if people start using it) [09:24] or 2) they only change a small bit that would be very easily changeable within the host OS and thus waste people's time and bandwidth when they are doing the distro-hopping/testing [09:25] all the people who want a winxp-lookalike xubuntu should really just work together and build a metapackage that installs everything you need to make your system like that, then find somebody to upload and maintain it in the archive [09:26] furthermore, i don't understand this: [09:26] Name ChaletOS came from the style of the mountain houses in Switzerland. The concept of these houses is similar to the concept that we had while we made this system: simplicity, beauty and recognizability. Since we want the new users feel at home, we expect this system to meet this goal. [09:27] yeah, i guess for most it's icons+theme+xfce-settings.xml [09:28] that kind of high-flying advertising text written about xubuntu derivatives always makes me think the xubuntu team has failed what it is doing; or that the author is simply taking all the glory to themself [09:28] there's no mention of switzerland in the xubuntu strategy document [09:28] how is their OS suddenly so swiss? [09:28] when you made what system? changed the theme configuration file? [09:29] it might have wine preinstalled, there's a wine menuitem in one of the screenshots [09:30] i mean i understand that somebody was having fun in creating that little project, making xubuntu boot and install so that it looks different [09:30] might or might not. it's just a screenshot after all [09:30] great, you've achieved your goal! [09:31] https://sites.google.com/site/chaletoslinux/apps [09:31] right, yeah, no wine mentioned [09:31] they're installing both chrome and opera IN ADDITION to firefox [09:31] uhh [09:33] heh, it's also funny to see how he says that everything is familiar, then lists all of those "microsoft office webapps" and ultimately, ends the familiar names with telling how a thunar fork was made by an xfce user and tells how to enable a PPA ;) [09:34] (^ if you wonder what's funny about it, that doesn't communicate familiarity to me) [09:46] ok, i'm going phone-shopping now (: [09:46] hf and ttyl [09:46] good luck knome [10:09] elfy, brainwash, if you still want to change the importance of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395720 I can do it [10:09] Launchpad bug 1395720 in catfish (Ubuntu) "authentication in livesession accepts any value as password" [High,Confirmed] [10:52] bluesabre, Unit193: could either of you package this xdg-utils for -staging so we can get ppl to test it? https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xdg-utils/light-locker [10:52] ochosi: with light-locker 1.5.1 and latest xfpm, screensaver timeouts work correctly [10:52] hm weird, ok, i'll do a clean install of vivid then... [10:52] (tonight or asap) [10:53] bluesabre: if you wanna give it some testing, just pull the branch and replace your local xdg-screensaver script with my version [10:53] if after playing fullscreen in parole your timeout is what it was, we're good [10:55] I'll have to test it tonight... just did a reinstall last night, haven't set up my environment just yet [10:55] right, well at least for that you don't need much of an env [10:55] but yeah, no rush [10:55] yeah, the big part is for the packaging :) [10:56] yup [10:56] anyway, the changes to support light-locker should be tiny and trivial [10:56] (assuming that the fd.org dbus interface works as expected) [10:57] does it work for you ? :) [10:57] well, i couldn't test it because my setup is somehow broken [10:58] as i said, the screen-blanking timeouts don't work atm with xfpm/ll [10:58] or i guess they might somehow work if i manually set them with xset [10:58] yup [10:58] :D [10:58] but i'd prefer if someone tried where everything is working [11:01] makes sense [11:05] gotta run for now, bbl [11:06] have a good one, ttyl! [11:06] * ochosi is off for lunch [11:32] knome, your last docs revision (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/revision/279) gave me a few errors building them [11:32] http://pastebin.com/1eVeHjxQ [11:32] all related to the translations script [11:32] Unit193 ^^^ [12:29] I don't really agree about the ChaletOS thing, if contacted are we actually going to try and change Xubuntu to be more like Windows? Not really, there was a spec about that even. The support issue stands, though of course. === AgAu is now known as Sparkly [12:44] slickymasterWork: And as to that, you need gnome-doc-utils installed, sudo apt get build-dep xubuntu-docs [12:50] right you are, Unit193 :) [13:20] ochosi: I'm using your xdg-screensaver and neither xdg-screensaver lock nor inhibit screen blanking while playing a movie do work [13:21] hm, strange [13:21] do I have to upgrade light-locker? [13:21] 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 [13:21] you need 1.5.1 [13:22] does "xdg-screensaver lock" work for you? [13:22] the calls _should_ work with ll1.5.1, but i guess i'll have to check again [13:22] i'm not at home now, so i can't test [13:23] ok, I'll gladly test it later again [13:23] you could try the dbus calls from the script directly in the terminal [13:23] if you push more changes [13:23] to see what sort of reply you're getting [13:24] sure [13:25] nothing at all, maybe there is something wrong with the dbus call [13:26] yeah, it's possible, have to check again [13:26] ok :) [13:26] last time i tried those fd.org dbus calls with light-locker, they worked [13:26] thanks for testing either way [13:34] slickymasterWork: feel free to change the importance. I was just concerned about the security status (requesting a password and accepting any combination is a minor issue in a passworl-less environemt -> live session). [17:13] Unit193, no, but we can steer them towards contributing back to ubuntu, in the sense that the modifications would be available in the archive [20:15] * Unit193 shrugs. [23:31] good evening folks! [23:31] hullo bluesabre [23:31] hiya knome [23:31] everybody popping up at the same time [23:31] evening [23:32] hey ochosi [23:32] well i'm about to sneak out [23:32] bai ochosi [23:32] if you didn't live across the globe from ochosi, i could swear you'd have something fishy going on [23:32] hah [23:32] Unit193: meh, right, so that xfwm4 branch is extremely crashy/unusable when switching windows with alt-tab [23:32] but good to know, thanks! [23:32] ochosi, see my PM before you go-go (don't let me hanging on like a yo-yo= [23:32] >_< [23:36] ochosi: any word whether your xdg-screensaver fixes actually fixes the issue? [23:37] bluesabre, two possibilities; yes and no. does that help? [23:37] (: [23:37] thanks knome! [23:37] that really simplifies things [23:37] absolutely! [23:43] bluesabre: not really [23:43] i just tried the dbus commands that xdg-screensaver uses for the fd.org dubs [23:43] dbus [23:44] that doesn't seem to do anything, oddly [23:44] but i could also be messing it up, mostly cause i'm tired [23:44] back to the drawing board [23:44] might take a look later this week [23:44] generally speaking, ll should support the fd.org dbus spec for screensavers [23:44] so it _should_ work [23:44] :) [23:45] * ochosi shrugs [23:45] I use that word a lot too [23:45] "should" [23:45] :D [23:45] i remember successfully testing the dbus interface [23:45] heh [23:45] this was what i just tried: "dbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver --type=method_call /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock" [23:46] (light-locker is running) [23:46] so did i understand you right that this channel is full of "shoulders" [23:46] * bluesabre thinks that is right [23:46] look what i did there!!! ^ [23:46] bluesabre: and ll-command -l works fine [23:46] so it's running and working [23:46] right [23:46] maybe there is an issue with the dbus interface not being compiled in? [23:46] packaging? [23:47] * ochosi doesn't remember whether there was a build-time switch for that [23:48] maybe not [23:48] anyway, too tired for anything now [23:48] night all! [23:49] Well, it's only one package right? So make install should be putting everything in the package. [23:54] bluesabre: can you please take a look at the recently attached log files in bug 1307545 ? [23:54] bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 [23:54] maybe you'll find something odd, or know how to further debug it === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash