[06:03] Good morning [06:06] bonjour! [06:22] good morning [06:25] hi didrocks! [06:28] hey larsu, how goes? [06:29] good thanks! And you? [06:31] I'm good, neck mostly fixed (but still will need a visit next month) [06:31] and I'll try to book to the sport doctor for my knees today… [06:31] seems that this week then I can't run and I can't cycle :/ [06:34] :( [06:34] good to hear you're taking care of it though [06:37] yeah, I hope to get that fixed at some point… [06:45] bonjour larsu et didrocks ! [06:45] didrocks: ouch! [06:46] bonjour pitti ! [07:38] good morning desktopers [07:41] salut seb128 [07:41] lut didrocks ;-) [08:20] le yawn [08:22] hey willcooke [08:22] morning willcooke [08:27] morning! [08:27] hey larsu ;-) [09:03] howdy! [09:03] bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ? [09:04] hey willcooke [09:04] hey Laney pitti, wie gehts? [09:04] morning pitti Laney [09:04] pitti, ça va bien, merci ;-) [09:04] seb128: gut, danke! wir haben sehr schoene Sonne gerade! [09:06] pitti, lucky you, it's strong wind and some rain here [09:07] doing good! [09:07] it's also sunny here :-) [09:07] blue skies [09:08] * pitti ^5s Laney [09:11] hey Laney! [09:11] great, enjoy it guys ;-) [09:12] * seb128 hopes sun comes to say hey here as well [09:13] * pitti pushes some northwestwards [09:14] danke :-) [09:15] hey didrocks === alf is now known as alf_ [09:35] ahhh, the comments section on Phoronix makes me chuckle [09:43] summary? ;-) [09:45] willcooke, Phoronix is a troll-hive of people who have no idea what they are talking about (mostly) [09:45] didrocks: can we promote adwaita-icon-theme or do you want a proper MIR? [09:45] it's needed for gtk's testsuite atm [09:46] so build-time only for Ubuntu [09:46] Laney, did you still want to split that? [09:46] yeah [09:46] not now though [09:47] Laney, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+files/adwaita-icon-theme_3.14.0-0ubuntu1%7Eutopic2.dsc [09:48] what is it? [09:48] a package that ricotz split some time ago [09:49] darkxst, :) [09:50] Laney: is it a split or part of something that was in main already? [09:50] seb128, the conversation immediately degraded in to an argument about why Mir was called Mir [09:50] didrocks: it's the successor to gnome-icon-theme [09:51] Laney: but it's new "code/icons"? [09:51] didrocks, some new icons, not many [09:51] I guess a MIR would still be needed, at least, to ensure that everyone got the questions of deps and size [09:52] though it merged a few other packages, like gnome-icon-theme-symbolic [09:52] even if it's just a build-dep, as then, something may accidently starts depending on it [09:54] Laney, speaking of which transitioning to a-i-t will be a bit of work, why do so many apps depend on gnome-icon-theme? [09:54] because they want to ensure the icons are there in any random environment I guess [09:56] if they are compatible we can provide a transitional package [09:58] willcooke: well, this one is even more depressing: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?111986-Ubuntu-Make-Adds-Google-Go-Support-Game-Category [09:58] they are trolling about phoronix headline [10:00] hahaha, Game Category [10:00] phoronix sometimes has a run in with reality, but it usually tries to avoid it.. [10:00] didrocks, Michael seems to have a good business selling ads to trolls! [10:00] yeah ;) [10:01] phoronix forums are unmoderated and usually pure bile.. [10:10] Laney, should be compatible, not aware of any icons removed, but there seem to be a lot of new icons not included in the 'not-in-humanity' list [10:10] I don't think it's been updated really [10:10] or ever? [10:11] the pan- icons need to be in -i-t not -full [10:11] should probably make a script when doing the split this time [10:11] I'll try to do this before Feature Freeze if nobody else does [10:12] writing the MIR currently [10:18] Laney, ok, I will probably focus on patching the remaing 3.14 apps (once I am done porting gjs to exact-rooting and building my shed) [10:23] didrocks: bug #1410174 if you have a minute [10:23] bug 1410174 in adwaita-icon-theme (Ubuntu) "[MIR] adwaita-icon-theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1410174 [10:23] seb128: could you subscribe desktop-bugs please? [10:24] Laney, done [10:25] merci! [10:26] the previous version had this b-d too, but managed to go in [10:26] Laney: probably later today or tomorrow morning, I have exploded my MIR time for the week :) [10:26] I bet it used the silo backdoor [10:32] Laney, there is a new evo stack (3.12.10), if you do the update can you backport the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/1406164 as well (I added the git commit url to the bug) [10:32] Launchpad bug 1406164 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "evolution-calendar-factory crashed with SIGABRT in g_mutex_clear()" [High,Fix committed] [10:33] seb128: if it's the one in the stable branch then I already have that picked locally, but thanks for the pointer [10:33] think I'll SRU .10 too [10:34] Laney, yw, it's likely it, I noticed it looking at e.u.c [10:34] looks like it [10:34] Laney, danke ;-) [10:34] I started to work on that yesterday [10:34] then got distracted by this a-i-t stuff [10:34] back to that in a minute ;-) [10:34] * Laney puts the kettle on first [10:40] oh god we've run out of tea! [10:41] * didrocks knows map tea to father ted soap opera [10:41] now* [10:45] Laney, don't joke about that sort of thing man [10:46] this is no joke === duflu_ is now known as duflu [10:46] Get to the shop, stat [10:46] I found some dregs of vanilla tea and poured it all into the pot on top of the stuff we used this morning [10:46] this might get me to lunch [10:47] hand to mouth living [10:48] :) [10:48] larsu, I'm running metacity on my phone and the font size is waaay to big, can I change that? [10:48] for example, the title bar on a window is about 1/4 of the screen [10:49] and I installed gconf-editor, but I cant use it because the font size means I can only see the first half of one word [10:49] any ideas? [11:03] willcooke: you can change gsettings from the command line as well [11:03] willcooke: `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name "Ubuntu 10"` [11:03] thanks larsu [11:04] Wellark, ping [11:04] willcooke: I hope that's the font size you're looking for ;) [11:04] I'll give it a go [11:08] larsu: fancy pushing gnome bug #741653 for me? [11:08] Gnome bug 741653 in gio "gnetworkmonitornm: Check if network-manager is running" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741653 [11:09] Laney: can do [11:09] status is not accept-commit_now [11:10] but I guess hadess' comment is enough [11:10] looks like it is to me? [11:10] ah. /me is blind [11:10] (and has one too many bugzilla windows open) [11:10] :) [11:11] * larsu builds, just in case ;) [11:11] haha [11:12] like a true sponsor [11:14] Laney, having fun with hadess ;) [11:14] Laney: done [11:14] there's worse maintainers :P [11:14] thanks! [11:15] ya [11:15] * ricotz pointed him to the bug after this partial commit [11:16] ricotz: well spotted to you then [11:35] Sweet5hark, hi, did you got my email? [11:35] ricotz: about? [11:35] 4.4 ppa? [11:36] Sweet5hark, yes [11:36] will do that when we are near 4.4 final [11:37] moin, ubuntanoj [11:38] Sweet5hark, just create it, no need to fill right now [11:38] hey desrt [11:39] desrt, space news! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/13/lost_beagle_found_mars_nasa/ [11:39] wow. old news. [11:39] pretty amazing that we have sats around mars that can pick up something that small :) [11:40] morning desrt! [11:41] larsu: 'lo [11:42] willcooke: too bad about the poor conditions for video on saturday, eh? [11:42] yeah, thats a shame [11:44] that's almost a bigger shame than the failed landing [11:44] it would have almost been 'too good' if they nailed that one on the first try :) [11:44] heh, where's the fun in that :) [11:44] I'm confident that they will get it to work [11:45] * desrt wonders how many sats are in mars orbit these days [11:45] desrt, 13 [11:45] i kinda like thinking about the rovers as having cellphones [11:45] and the sats as being a cell network on mars [11:45] it's not so far from the truth [11:45] :) [11:46] we got cellphones there [11:46] we got google *cough*earth there [11:46] we just need humans now [11:46] I think they use X band which is ~ 9 Ghz [11:46] i'd have figured they would use something lower-frequency [11:47] but i guess when you don't have an atmosphere to worry about.... [11:52] Is there at least one Ubuntu installation on Mars? [11:53] probably not [11:54] * desrt wouldn't trust linux up there :) [11:54] I know that ISS has Debian 6 [11:54] ISS is another story [11:54] there are humans there to press ctrl-alt-del if things go wrong :) [11:58] mitya57: More likely Red Hat. [11:59] Because mars is red? [12:00] Because of the on-site support package [12:04] * desrt digs into inotify, again === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:36] bah, there is something wrong sometimes after updates in vivid [12:37] like I get regular polkit prompting for standard action like adding user datas to accountsservice, or if I try to reboot [12:37] seems like also things like suspend inhibit stop working (my laptop suspended on lid close during lunch which it's not supposed to do) [12:37] I wonder if that's a systemd thing, I didn't notice it before using it [12:38] or it's a vivid issue that started around the time I switched init [12:38] didrocks, pitti, ^ did you read about/see such issues? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:24] seb128: when I switch users I sometimes see a polkit dialog about "changing user properties" when I switch back to my user; that might be related? [13:34] pitti, not sure, I've not switched user and that was after upgrade [13:35] seb128: I haven't seen that one yet; the above is closest to what you describe that I've seen before [13:35] seb128: that sounds like logind is crashing or doesn't survive the restart [13:36] yeah [13:36] seb128: if you can reproduce it with "sudo systemctl restart systemd-logind.service", that would confirm this [13:36] pitti, ok, trying that in a bit and letting you know [13:37] do we restart logind on upgrade with upstart as well? [13:37] or is that when systemd is updated? [13:40] seb128: no, I don't think we did that [13:40] in general it's better to restart daemons on package upgrades to apply bug fixes, and it should work for logind [13:40] we don't restart journald because that does cause breakage [13:41] but I restart logind all the time; it keeps its state in /run, so restarting it should be fine [13:41] "should": how it's meant to work -- not "bugs like the above" don't happen :) [13:42] right === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:01] pitti, restarting logind is not what creates the issue [14:05] seb128: ack; I do that quite often and haven't seen those effects [14:06] seb128: if you are able to recreate such a situation, "loginctl show-session $XDG_SESSION_ID" might be interesting -- i. e. not active or no Display or whatever [14:07] pitti, ok, going to do that next time I see the issue [14:07] I don't have it atm, I tried to restart logind or to dpkg -i the deb from today's systemd update, no luck [15:28] nearly meeting time already [15:29] qengho has no IRC [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Jan 13 15:30:24 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 | Current topic: [15:30] Roll call: attente_, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, FJkong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, mlankhorst, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark [15:30] hey [15:30] I have updates from TheMuso, tkamppeter. Robert_ancell is out at linuxconf. [15:30] g'day [15:30] hello everyone, happy new year [15:30] heya [15:31] qengho is having IRC issues right now, so we will probably need to skip him [15:31] _o/ [15:31] We have a few announcements today [15:31] hello [15:32] First of all, dgadomski is going to be sitting in our meetings so we can keep in touch with him better. Welcome to the gang (again) :) [15:32] hi [15:32] thanks willcooke :) [15:32] hey dgadomski ;-) [15:33] seb128 o/ [15:33] oh welcome again XD [15:33] Secondly, we have a slight re-jig of work focus for seb128, Laney and larsu. We can talk about that as we get to each of them in turn. [15:33] So let's start the ball rolling with attente_ [15:33] #topic attente_ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 | Current topic: attente_ [15:33] wow, :) [15:33] I think I saw a merge for relative positioning inside Mir? [15:34] i saw a branch... [15:34] ah, kk - so some progress in the right direction at least [15:35] When I spoke to attente_ last week he said he'd solved a few of the tool bar issues he was having too [15:35] or maybe it was yesterday [15:35] meh [15:35] fixed the hover-over-parent-menu issue, waiting for merge https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/mir-fix-menubar-mouseover/+merge/245874 [15:35] mostly got blocked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1409133 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1408593 [15:35] Launchpad bug 1409133 in mir (Ubuntu) "Heavy black flickering in mir_demo_server" [Undecided,Incomplete] [15:35] Launchpad bug 1408593 in xorg (Ubuntu) "X server disables acceleartion or turns off output (makes screen black) after kernel upgrade to v3.18 (Ubuntu Vivid)" [High,Confirmed] [15:35] congrats on the fix :) [15:36] attente_, can someone help unblock you on those others? [15:36] bleh [15:36] I never find out about ubuntu-desktop MPs [15:36] want to get those on the sponsoring queue [15:37] duflu was helping with https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1409133, but still not sure where the problem lies [15:37] Launchpad bug 1409133 in mir (Ubuntu) "Heavy black flickering in mir_demo_server" [Undecided,Incomplete] [15:37] attente_, that xorg issue, did you try the 3.19 kernel from the kernel team ppa? [15:37] 1408593 is ok now. just had to boot a newer kernel [15:37] seb128: yeah [15:37] seems to be fixed upstream [15:38] attente_, k, I see a similar issue, apw asked me to try the ppa [15:38] 3.18 shows plymouth and then no vt/greeter [15:38] booting 3.16 works [15:38] yeah, same problem [15:38] i'm using 3.19.0-031900rc3-generic [15:38] cool [15:39] oki, thanks attente_ [15:40] pick me! pick me! [15:40] next up its................ [15:40] * desrt waves hand [15:40] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 | Current topic: desrt [15:40] you win [15:40] awesome [15:40] not much to report [15:40] got finished with a huge round of changes to mount monitors last week (ongoing thread safety battle), waiting for reviews [15:41] working on file monitors now -- have already accomplished quite some nice improvements in the inotify code and progressing onto the frontend GFileMonitor code [15:41] nice [15:41] we already lost the 1 second delay on any reported event [15:41] so now events are reported immediately when they happen (but we still ratelimit further reports after the first to once every 800ms, by default) [15:42] i guess that will be wrapped up by the end of this week [15:42] everyone seems pretty keen on ripping some of that ancient crap out, so i guess i won't have trouble finding reviewers -- alex already volunteered to do some tomorrow [15:42] excellent [15:42] that's all for me [15:42] thanks desrt [15:42] *cough* travel booking *cough* [15:43] it's done [15:43] O_o [15:43] or at least it should be [15:43] what about the hotel? :P [15:43] there was a wrinkle where the travel agent didn't understand that 1982-05-03 means may 3 [15:43] but that's sorted now [15:43] HA! [15:43] didn't do the hotel, though. thanks for reminding :) [15:43] 1982? [15:43] also didn't get the train done yet [15:43] desrt: let me know when you do that, so that we can go together [15:44] since i just got told today that it would be better if i did that myself [15:44] hotel for FOSDEM & Mir sprint is being sorted by msm [15:44] Laney might come as well?! [15:44] larsu: i'm going on thursday evening on account of the systemd hackfest on friday [15:44] desrt: same [15:44] larsu: laney is going on friday [15:44] this is Cambridge right? [15:44] ah, okay [15:44] yep, msm has a spreadsheet for fosdem [15:44] yes [15:44] we're actually supposed to sort cambridge for ourselves [15:44] ah, yeah [15:44] right, I was about to ask you :) [15:44] the hotel there doesn't do 3rd party bookings, apparently [15:44] you should be able to do it online [15:45] who else is going to CBG? [15:45] \o [15:45] interesting [15:45] small crowd [15:45] get an airbnb and I'll come say hi? :-) [15:45] good idea! [15:45] Laney: you should definitely pop up for a few days and say hi [15:45] I might rock up and spoil lunchtime for you guys one day [15:45] party \o/ [15:45] Laney, CBG? [15:45] willcooke: also absolutely welcome [15:45] seb128: cambridge [15:45] seb128: cambridge [15:46] what is in cambridge? [15:46] desrt: youowemeabeer [15:46] larsu: beer, yada yada [15:46] the hackfest? [15:46] yes [15:46] desrt: we spend too much time together. [15:46] oh ok, I though it was at fosdem [15:46] there's this weird tradition amongst some geeks of referring to places by their train station's code [15:46] larsu: i actually hate this beer thing. we should stop that. [15:46] kind of like portland = PDX [15:46] Laney: that's the airport... [15:46] desrt: agreed. Walked by a museum last night that you might like [15:46] oh right need to check up on the spreadsheet [15:46] yes that's why it's kind of like it and not exactly [15:47] but I'm going to drive anyway :P [15:47] larsu: took a picture last night that you might like :) [15:47] oki, let's move on [15:47] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:47] desrt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Museum_of_Technology [15:47] In the 'desktop-related department' it was only: [15:47] - debugging power-management issues related to bug #1104230 [15:47] - there is also a bluetooth problem (no lp yet), I would appreciate a bluetooth expert's help with analyzing some logs after putting them to the lp bug. Is there a bluetooth-focused person in the team I could talk to? [15:47] EOF [15:47] bug 1104230 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DisplayPort 1.2 MST support is missing in the Intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1104230 [15:48] @bluetooth - hrm, maybe didrocks ? [15:48] willcooke: Error: "bluetooth" is not a valid command. [15:48] hum, not really an expert :p [15:48] shut up meetingology [15:48] especially with pre-bluez5 [15:48] cyphermox is the man [15:48] yeah, definitively [15:48] nicely done [15:48] larsu: https://imgur.com/5vtMpEW [15:48] thanks guys, I will talk to him [15:49] hello [15:49] as if by magic [15:49] desrt: hahaha! best part is "chemtrail girls" [15:49] didrocks, speaking of pre-bluez5, what's the new version status? [15:50] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 | Current topic: didrocks [15:50] dgadomski, he's not in our team anymore but maybe try cyphermox [15:50] seb128: nothing changed since, but wait my turn :) [15:50] which is now! [15:50] Ubuntu Make: [15:50] \o/ [15:50] * Shape and opened MIR for default package inclusion of jayatana (java appmenu integration). Waiting for a review. [15:50] thanks seb128, I will [15:50] * Get Ubuntu Make to install it for older release and in the Ubuntu Make ppa. [15:50] didrocks, it's your turn ! :p [15:50] * Get back creds and will inspect the vm state next wekk. [15:50] Systemd: [15:50] * Converted a bunch of package to systemd: bootmail, daemontools, pollen, radosgw-agent, mcollective-server-provisioner, auto-upgrade-testing, zram-config, mythbuntu-bare, ceilometer, [15:50] * Modification to invoke-rc.d: enable successfull upgrading of upstart-only package under systemd. Ensure as well that disabled services are not started after upgrade (systemd only or systemd + upstart packages). [15:50] * Reread and update the systemd transition wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers) for Thursday and Friday's sprint. [15:50] Misc: [15:50] * Helped FJkong on the unity kylin dash file search. [15:50] * Reviewed fcitx MIR. Still some work needed. [15:50] seb128: it wasn't technically when you pinged me ;) [15:50] seb128: so, robert started to work on the indicator and u-c-c before the EOY holidays [15:51] those are the only remaining blockers? [15:51] he put that in a state and I don't think he wants to go on [15:51] so quite unsure [15:51] thanks didrocks so much :) [15:51] FJKong: yw ;) [15:51] apparently, it's way more work than he thinks it was about [15:51] k [15:52] do we have anyone in the team with spare cycle to work on that? [15:52] I don't know those code, I can dive into it, but that will be in replacement of other stuffs [15:52] larsu, not interested to hack on gnome/indicator bluetooth client code? ;-) [15:52] seb128: he's too busy facilitating other bluetooth hackers by adding a 'wait' mode to the gdbus commandline tool [15:52] larsu: no CSS involved! [15:52] seb128: sure [15:53] g-c-c migrated to bluez5 so I guess u-c-c work is mostly backporting work they did [15:53] the indicator is vala [15:53] which should be fine for you [15:53] who's the original author? Charles? [15:53] desrt, ;-) [15:53] no, Robert [15:53] larsu: I can give you pointers to robert's initial work on the porting [15:53] seb128: ok, cool [15:53] didrocks: yes please [15:53] larsu, didrocks, thanks [15:53] will do after meeting :) [15:54] thanks seb128 :) [15:54] desrt: just thought about that for 2 minutes after reading that bug report [15:54] larsu: you know you want to... [15:54] desrt: I definitely don't want to dive into that code :P [15:54] larsu: but seriously, one thought on that topic: i'd rather you mutate the existing gdbus tool into something nice rather than start from scratch and have yet another tool [15:55] the existing one isn't going anywhere -- too many people are using it in scripts and such [15:55] desrt: right, I was thinking this as well which is why I stopped my thing after the prototype [15:55] and you can tell apart the two usecases fairly easily: just count the number of '--' on the commandline. if you see more than 12 instances of it, assume it's using the old syntax :) [15:56] haha [15:57] shall we move on to FJKong ? [15:57] yes [15:57] we shall [15:57] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Issues with GTK 3.14? Check here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/gtk-update-v | Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13 | Current topic: FJKong [15:57] ok my turn [15:57]