[06:03] <pitti> Good morning
[06:06] <larsu> bonjour!
[06:22] <didrocks> good morning
[06:25] <larsu> hi didrocks!
[06:28] <didrocks> hey larsu, how goes?
[06:29] <larsu> good thanks! And you?
[06:31] <didrocks> I'm good, neck mostly fixed (but still will need a visit next month)
[06:31] <didrocks> and I'll try to book to the sport doctor for my knees today…
[06:31] <didrocks> seems that this week then I can't run and I can't cycle :/
[06:34] <larsu> :(
[06:34] <larsu> good to hear you're taking care of it though
[06:37] <didrocks> yeah, I hope to get that fixed at some point…
[06:45] <pitti> bonjour larsu et didrocks !
[06:45] <pitti> didrocks: ouch!
[06:46] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[07:38] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:41] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:41] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[08:20] <willcooke> le yawn
[08:22] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:22] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:27] <larsu> morning!
[08:27] <seb128> hey larsu ;-)
[09:03] <Laney> howdy!
[09:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[09:04] <pitti> hey willcooke
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney pitti, wie gehts?
[09:04] <willcooke> morning pitti Laney
[09:04] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien, merci ;-)
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! wir haben sehr schoene Sonne gerade!
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, lucky you, it's strong wind and some rain here
[09:07] <Laney> doing good!
[09:07] <Laney> it's also sunny here :-)
[09:07] <Laney> blue skies
[09:08]  * pitti ^5s Laney
[09:11] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:11] <seb128> great, enjoy it guys ;-)
[09:12]  * seb128 hopes sun comes to say hey here as well
[09:13]  * pitti pushes some northwestwards
[09:14] <seb128> danke :-)
[09:15] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:35] <willcooke> ahhh, the comments section on Phoronix makes me chuckle
[09:43] <seb128> summary? ;-)
[09:45] <darkxst> willcooke, Phoronix is a troll-hive of people who have no idea what they are talking about (mostly)
[09:45] <Laney> didrocks: can we promote adwaita-icon-theme or do you want a proper MIR?
[09:45] <Laney> it's needed for gtk's testsuite atm
[09:46] <Laney> so build-time only for Ubuntu
[09:46] <darkxst> Laney, did you still want to split that?
[09:46] <Laney> yeah
[09:46] <Laney> not now though
[09:47] <darkxst> Laney, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+files/adwaita-icon-theme_3.14.0-0ubuntu1%7Eutopic2.dsc
[09:48] <Laney> what is it?
[09:48] <darkxst> a package that ricotz split some time ago
[09:49] <willcooke> darkxst, :)
[09:50] <didrocks> Laney: is it a split or part of something that was in main already?
[09:50] <willcooke> seb128, the conversation immediately degraded in to an argument about why Mir was called Mir
[09:50] <Laney> didrocks: it's the successor to gnome-icon-theme
[09:51] <didrocks> Laney: but it's new "code/icons"?
[09:51] <darkxst> didrocks, some new icons, not many
[09:51] <didrocks> I guess a MIR would still be needed, at least, to ensure that everyone got the questions of deps and size
[09:52] <darkxst> though it merged a few other packages, like gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
[09:52] <didrocks> even if it's just a build-dep, as then, something may accidently starts depending on it
[09:54] <darkxst> Laney, speaking of which transitioning to a-i-t will be a bit of work, why do so many apps depend on gnome-icon-theme?
[09:54] <Laney> because they want to ensure the icons are there in any random environment I guess
[09:56] <Laney> if they are compatible we can provide a transitional package
[09:58] <didrocks> willcooke: well, this one is even more depressing: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?111986-Ubuntu-Make-Adds-Google-Go-Support-Game-Category
[09:58] <didrocks> they are trolling about phoronix headline
[10:00] <Laney> hahaha, Game Category
[10:00] <mlankhorst> phoronix sometimes has a run in with reality, but it usually tries to avoid it..
[10:00] <darkxst> didrocks, Michael seems to have a good business selling ads to trolls!
[10:00] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[10:01] <mlankhorst> phoronix forums are unmoderated and usually pure bile..
[10:10] <darkxst> Laney, should be compatible, not aware of any icons removed, but there seem to be a lot of new icons not included in the 'not-in-humanity' list
[10:10] <Laney> I don't think it's been updated really
[10:10] <darkxst> or ever?
[10:11] <Laney> the pan- icons need to be in -i-t not -full
[10:11] <Laney> should probably make a script when doing the split this time
[10:11] <Laney> I'll try to do this before Feature Freeze if nobody else does
[10:12] <Laney> writing the MIR currently
[10:18] <darkxst> Laney, ok, I will probably focus on patching the remaing 3.14 apps (once I am done porting gjs to exact-rooting and building my shed)
[10:23] <Laney> didrocks: bug #1410174 if you have a minute
[10:23] <Laney> seb128: could you subscribe desktop-bugs please?
[10:24] <seb128> Laney, done
[10:25] <Laney> merci!
[10:26] <Laney> the previous version had this b-d too, but managed to go in
[10:26] <didrocks> Laney: probably later today or tomorrow morning, I have exploded my MIR time for the week :)
[10:26] <Laney> I bet it used the silo backdoor
[10:32] <seb128> Laney, there is a new evo stack (3.12.10), if you do the update can you backport the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/1406164 as well (I added the git commit url to the bug)
[10:33] <Laney> seb128: if it's the one in the stable branch then I already have that picked locally, but thanks for the pointer
[10:33] <Laney> think I'll SRU .10 too
[10:34] <seb128> Laney, yw, it's likely it, I noticed it looking at e.u.c
[10:34] <Laney> looks like it
[10:34] <seb128> Laney, danke ;-)
[10:34] <Laney> I started to work on that yesterday
[10:34] <Laney> then got distracted by this a-i-t stuff
[10:34] <Laney> back to that in a minute ;-)
[10:34]  * Laney puts the kettle on first
[10:40] <Laney> oh god we've run out of tea!
[10:41]  * didrocks knows map tea to father ted soap opera
[10:41] <didrocks> now*
[10:45] <willcooke> Laney, don't joke about that sort of thing man
[10:46] <Laney> this is no joke
[10:46] <willcooke> Get to the shop, stat
[10:46] <Laney> I found some dregs of vanilla tea and poured it all into the pot on top of the stuff we used this morning
[10:46] <Laney> this might get me to lunch
[10:47] <Laney> hand to mouth living
[10:48] <willcooke> :)
[10:48] <willcooke> larsu, I'm running metacity on my phone and the font size is waaay to big, can I change that?
[10:48] <willcooke> for example, the title bar on a window is about 1/4 of the screen
[10:49] <willcooke> and I installed gconf-editor, but I cant use it because the font size means I can only see the first half of one word
[10:49] <willcooke> any ideas?
[11:03] <larsu> willcooke: you can change gsettings from the command line as well
[11:03] <larsu> willcooke: `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name "Ubuntu 10"`
[11:03] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[11:04] <Cimi> Wellark, ping
[11:04] <larsu> willcooke: I hope that's the font size you're looking for ;)
[11:04] <willcooke> I'll give it a go
[11:08] <Laney> larsu: fancy pushing gnome bug #741653 for me?
[11:09] <larsu> Laney: can do
[11:09] <larsu> status is not accept-commit_now
[11:10] <larsu> but I guess hadess' comment is enough
[11:10] <Laney> looks like it is to me?
[11:10] <larsu> ah. /me is blind
[11:10] <larsu> (and has one too many bugzilla windows open)
[11:10] <Laney> :)
[11:11]  * larsu builds, just in case ;)
[11:11] <Laney> haha
[11:12] <Laney> like a true sponsor
[11:14] <ricotz> Laney, having fun with hadess ;)
[11:14] <larsu> Laney: done
[11:14] <Laney> there's worse maintainers :P
[11:14] <Laney> thanks!
[11:15] <larsu> ya
[11:15]  * ricotz pointed him to the bug after this partial commit
[11:16] <Laney> ricotz: well spotted to you then
[11:35] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, did you got my email?
[11:35] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: about?
[11:35] <Sweet5hark> 4.4 ppa?
[11:36] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, yes
[11:36] <Sweet5hark> will do that when we are near 4.4 final
[11:37] <desrt> moin, ubuntanoj
[11:38] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, just create it, no need to fill right now
[11:38] <willcooke> hey desrt
[11:39] <willcooke> desrt, space news!  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/13/lost_beagle_found_mars_nasa/
[11:39] <desrt> wow.  old news.
[11:39] <desrt> pretty amazing that we have sats around mars that can pick up something that small :)
[11:40] <larsu> morning desrt!
[11:41] <desrt> larsu: 'lo
[11:42] <desrt> willcooke: too bad about the poor conditions for video on saturday, eh?
[11:42] <willcooke> yeah, thats a shame
[11:44] <desrt> that's almost a bigger shame than the failed landing
[11:44] <desrt> it would have almost been 'too good' if they nailed that one on the first try :)
[11:44] <willcooke> heh, where's the fun in that :)
[11:44] <willcooke> I'm confident that they will get it to work
[11:45]  * desrt wonders how many sats are in mars orbit these days
[11:45] <willcooke> desrt, 13
[11:45] <desrt> i kinda like thinking about the rovers as having cellphones
[11:45] <desrt> and the sats as being a cell network on mars
[11:45] <desrt> it's not so far from the truth
[11:45] <willcooke> :)
[11:46] <desrt> we got cellphones there
[11:46] <desrt> we got google *cough*earth there
[11:46] <desrt> we just need humans now
[11:46] <willcooke> I think they use X band which is ~ 9 Ghz
[11:46] <desrt> i'd have figured they would use something lower-frequency
[11:47] <desrt> but i guess when you don't have an atmosphere to worry about....
[11:52] <mitya57> Is there at least one Ubuntu installation on Mars?
[11:53] <desrt> probably not
[11:54]  * desrt wouldn't trust linux up there :)
[11:54] <mitya57> I know that ISS has Debian 6
[11:54] <desrt> ISS is another story
[11:54] <desrt> there are humans there to press ctrl-alt-del if things go wrong :)
[11:58] <jpds> mitya57: More likely Red Hat.
[11:59] <mitya57> Because mars is red?
[12:00] <willcooke> Because of the on-site support package
[12:04]  * desrt digs into inotify, again
[12:36] <seb128> bah, there is something wrong sometimes after updates in vivid
[12:37] <seb128> like I get regular polkit prompting for standard action like adding user datas to accountsservice, or if I try to reboot
[12:37] <seb128> seems like also things like suspend inhibit stop working (my laptop suspended on lid close during lunch which it's not supposed to do)
[12:37] <seb128> I wonder if that's a systemd thing, I didn't notice it before using it
[12:38] <seb128> or it's a vivid issue that started around the time I switched init
[12:38] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, ^ did you read about/see such issues?
[13:24] <pitti> seb128: when I switch users I sometimes see a polkit dialog about "changing user properties" when I switch back to my user; that might be related?
[13:34] <seb128> pitti, not sure, I've not switched user and that was after upgrade
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: I haven't seen that one yet; the above is closest to what you describe that I've seen before
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: that sounds like logind is crashing or doesn't survive the restart
[13:36] <seb128> yeah
[13:36] <pitti> seb128: if you can reproduce it with "sudo systemctl restart systemd-logind.service", that would confirm this
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, ok, trying that in a bit and letting you know
[13:37] <seb128> do we restart logind on upgrade with upstart as well?
[13:37] <seb128> or is that when systemd is updated?
[13:40] <pitti> seb128: no, I don't think we did that
[13:40] <pitti> in general it's better to restart daemons on package upgrades to apply bug fixes, and it should work for logind
[13:40] <pitti> we don't restart journald because that does cause breakage
[13:41] <pitti> but I restart logind all the time; it keeps its state in /run, so restarting it should be fine
[13:41] <pitti> "should": how it's meant to work -- not "bugs like the above" don't happen :)
[13:42] <seb128> right
[14:01] <seb128> pitti, restarting logind is not what creates the issue
[14:05] <pitti> seb128: ack; I do that quite often and haven't seen those effects
[14:06] <pitti> seb128: if you are able to recreate such a situation, "loginctl show-session $XDG_SESSION_ID" might be interesting -- i. e. not active or no Display or whatever
[14:07] <seb128> pitti, ok, going to do that next time I see the issue
[14:07] <seb128> I don't have it atm, I tried to restart logind or to dpkg -i the deb from today's systemd update, no luck
[15:28] <willcooke> nearly meeting time already
[15:29] <willcooke> qengho has no IRC
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting - 2015-01-13
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 13 15:30:24 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  attente_, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, FJkong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, mlankhorst, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark
[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> I have updates from TheMuso, tkamppeter.  Robert_ancell is out at linuxconf.
[15:30] <larsu> g'day
[15:30] <dgadomski> hello everyone, happy new year
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:31] <willcooke> qengho is having IRC issues right now, so we will probably need to skip him
[15:31] <seb128> _o/
[15:31] <willcooke> We have a few announcements today
[15:31] <FJKong> hello
[15:32] <willcooke> First of all, dgadomski is going to be sitting in our meetings so we can keep in touch with him better.  Welcome to the gang (again) :)
[15:32] <happyaron> hi
[15:32] <dgadomski> thanks willcooke :)
[15:32] <seb128> hey dgadomski ;-)
[15:33] <dgadomski> seb128 o/
[15:33] <FJKong> oh welcome again XD
[15:33] <willcooke> Secondly, we have a slight re-jig of work focus for seb128, Laney and larsu.  We can talk about that as we get to each of them in turn.
[15:33] <willcooke> So let's start the ball rolling with attente_
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente_
[15:33] <happyaron> wow, :)
[15:33] <willcooke> I think I saw a merge for relative positioning inside Mir?
[15:34] <desrt> i saw a branch...
[15:34] <willcooke> ah, kk - so some progress in the right direction at least
[15:35] <willcooke> When I spoke to attente_ last week he said he'd solved a few of the tool bar issues he was having too
[15:35] <willcooke> or maybe it was yesterday
[15:35] <willcooke> meh
[15:35] <attente_> fixed the hover-over-parent-menu issue, waiting for merge https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/mir-fix-menubar-mouseover/+merge/245874
[15:35] <attente_> mostly got blocked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1409133 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1408593
[15:35] <willcooke> congrats on the fix :)
[15:36] <willcooke> attente_, can someone help unblock you on those others?
[15:36] <Laney> bleh
[15:36] <Laney> I never find out about ubuntu-desktop MPs
[15:36] <Laney> want to get those on the sponsoring queue
[15:37] <attente_> duflu was helping with https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1409133, but still not sure where the problem lies
[15:37] <seb128> attente_, that xorg issue, did you try the 3.19 kernel from the kernel team ppa?
[15:37] <attente_> 1408593 is ok now. just had to boot a newer kernel
[15:37] <attente_> seb128: yeah
[15:37] <attente_> seems to be fixed upstream
[15:38] <seb128> attente_, k, I see a similar issue, apw asked me to try the ppa
[15:38] <seb128> 3.18 shows plymouth and then no vt/greeter
[15:38] <seb128> booting 3.16 works
[15:38] <attente_> yeah, same problem
[15:38] <attente_> i'm using 3.19.0-031900rc3-generic
[15:38] <seb128> cool
[15:39] <willcooke> oki, thanks attente_
[15:40] <desrt> pick me! pick me!
[15:40] <willcooke> next up its................
[15:40]  * desrt waves hand
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:40] <willcooke> you win
[15:40] <desrt> awesome
[15:40] <desrt> not much to report
[15:40] <desrt> got finished with a huge round of changes to mount monitors last week (ongoing thread safety battle), waiting for reviews
[15:41] <desrt> working on file monitors now -- have already accomplished quite some nice improvements in the inotify code and progressing onto the frontend GFileMonitor code
[15:41] <willcooke> nice
[15:41] <desrt> we already lost the 1 second delay on any reported event
[15:41] <desrt> so now events are reported immediately when they happen (but we still ratelimit further reports after the first to once every 800ms, by default)
[15:42] <desrt> i guess that will be wrapped up by the end of this week
[15:42] <desrt> everyone seems pretty keen on ripping some of that ancient crap out, so i guess i won't have trouble finding reviewers -- alex already volunteered to do some tomorrow
[15:42] <willcooke> excellent
[15:42] <desrt> that's all for me
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:42] <willcooke> *cough* travel booking *cough*
[15:43] <desrt> it's done
[15:43] <willcooke> O_o
[15:43] <desrt> or at least it should be
[15:43] <mlankhorst> what about the hotel? :P
[15:43] <desrt> there was a wrinkle where the travel agent didn't understand that 1982-05-03 means may 3
[15:43] <desrt> but that's sorted now
[15:43] <willcooke> HA!
[15:43] <desrt> didn't do the hotel, though.  thanks for reminding :)
[15:43] <seb128> 1982?
[15:43] <desrt> also didn't get the train done yet
[15:43] <larsu> desrt: let me know when you do that, so that we can go together
[15:44] <desrt> since i just got told today that it would be better if i did that myself
[15:44] <willcooke> hotel for FOSDEM & Mir sprint is being sorted by msm
[15:44] <larsu> Laney might come as well?!
[15:44] <desrt> larsu: i'm going on thursday evening on account of the systemd hackfest on friday
[15:44] <larsu> desrt: same
[15:44] <desrt> larsu: laney is going on friday
[15:44] <willcooke> this is Cambridge right?
[15:44] <larsu> ah, okay
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> yep, msm has a spreadsheet for fosdem
[15:44] <desrt> yes
[15:44] <desrt> we're actually supposed to sort cambridge for ourselves
[15:44] <willcooke> ah, yeah
[15:44] <larsu> right, I was about to ask you :)
[15:44] <desrt> the hotel there doesn't do 3rd party bookings, apparently
[15:44] <willcooke> you should be able to do it online
[15:45] <Laney> who else is going to CBG?
[15:45] <larsu> \o
[15:45] <Laney> interesting
[15:45] <desrt> small crowd
[15:45] <Laney> get an airbnb and I'll come say hi? :-)
[15:45] <larsu> good idea!
[15:45] <desrt> Laney: you should definitely pop up for a few days and say hi
[15:45] <willcooke> I might rock up and spoil lunchtime for you guys one day
[15:45] <larsu> party \o/
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, CBG?
[15:45] <desrt> willcooke: also absolutely welcome
[15:45] <desrt> seb128: cambridge
[15:45] <larsu> seb128: cambridge
[15:46] <seb128> what is in cambridge?
[15:46] <larsu> desrt: youowemeabeer
[15:46] <desrt> larsu: beer, yada yada
[15:46] <seb128> the hackfest?
[15:46] <desrt> yes
[15:46] <larsu> desrt: we spend too much time together.
[15:46] <seb128> oh ok, I though it was at fosdem
[15:46] <Laney> there's this weird tradition amongst some geeks of referring to places by their train station's code
[15:46] <desrt> larsu: i actually hate this beer thing.  we should stop that.
[15:46] <Laney> kind of like portland = PDX
[15:46] <desrt> Laney: that's the airport...
[15:46] <larsu> desrt: agreed. Walked by a museum last night that you might like
[15:46] <mlankhorst> oh right need to check up on the spreadsheet
[15:46] <Laney> yes that's why it's kind of like it and not exactly
[15:47] <mlankhorst> but I'm going to drive anyway :P
[15:47] <desrt> larsu: took a picture last night that you might like :)
[15:47] <willcooke> oki, let's move on
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:47] <larsu> desrt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Museum_of_Technology
[15:47] <dgadomski> In the 'desktop-related department' it was only:
[15:47] <dgadomski> - debugging power-management issues related to bug #1104230
[15:47] <dgadomski> - there is also a bluetooth problem (no lp yet), I would appreciate a bluetooth expert's help with analyzing some logs after putting them to the lp bug. Is there a bluetooth-focused person in the team I could talk to?
[15:47] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> @bluetooth - hrm, maybe didrocks ?
[15:48] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "bluetooth" is not a valid command.
[15:48] <didrocks> hum, not really an expert :p
[15:48] <willcooke> shut up meetingology
[15:48] <didrocks> especially with pre-bluez5
[15:48] <Laney> cyphermox is the man
[15:48] <didrocks> yeah, definitively
[15:48] <willcooke> nicely done
[15:48] <desrt> larsu: https://imgur.com/5vtMpEW
[15:48] <dgadomski> thanks guys, I will talk to him
[15:49] <cyphermox> hello
[15:49] <Laney> as if by magic
[15:49] <larsu> desrt: hahaha! best part is "chemtrail girls"
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks, speaking of pre-bluez5, what's the new version status?
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:50] <seb128> dgadomski, he's not in our team anymore but maybe try cyphermox
[15:50] <didrocks> seb128: nothing changed since, but wait my turn :)
[15:50] <didrocks> which is now!
[15:50] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:50] <willcooke> \o/
[15:50] <didrocks> * Shape and opened MIR for default package inclusion of jayatana (java appmenu integration). Waiting for a review.
[15:50] <dgadomski> thanks seb128, I will
[15:50] <didrocks> * Get Ubuntu Make to install it for older release and in the Ubuntu Make ppa.
[15:50] <seb128> didrocks, it's your turn ! :p
[15:50] <didrocks> * Get back creds and will inspect the vm state next wekk.
[15:50] <didrocks> Systemd:
[15:50] <didrocks> * Converted a bunch of package to systemd: bootmail, daemontools, pollen, radosgw-agent, mcollective-server-provisioner, auto-upgrade-testing, zram-config, mythbuntu-bare, ceilometer,
[15:50] <didrocks> * Modification to invoke-rc.d: enable successfull upgrading of upstart-only package under systemd. Ensure as well that disabled services are not started after upgrade (systemd only or systemd + upstart packages).
[15:50] <didrocks> * Reread and update the systemd transition wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers) for Thursday and Friday's sprint.
[15:50] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:50] <didrocks> * Helped FJkong on the unity kylin dash file search.
[15:50] <didrocks> * Reviewed fcitx MIR. Still some work needed.
[15:50] <didrocks> seb128: it wasn't technically when you pinged me ;)
[15:50] <didrocks> seb128: so, robert started to work on the indicator and u-c-c before the EOY holidays
[15:51] <seb128> those are the only remaining blockers?
[15:51] <didrocks> he put that in a state and I don't think he wants to go on
[15:51] <didrocks> so quite unsure
[15:51] <FJKong> thanks didrocks so much :)
[15:51] <didrocks> FJKong: yw ;)
[15:51] <didrocks> apparently, it's way more work than he thinks it was about
[15:51] <seb128> k
[15:52] <seb128> do we have anyone in the team with spare cycle to work on that?
[15:52] <didrocks> I don't know those code, I can dive into it, but that will be in replacement of other stuffs
[15:52] <seb128> larsu, not interested to hack on gnome/indicator bluetooth client code? ;-)
[15:52] <desrt> seb128: he's too busy facilitating other bluetooth hackers by adding a 'wait' mode to the gdbus commandline tool
[15:52] <didrocks> larsu: no CSS involved!
[15:52] <larsu> seb128: sure
[15:53] <seb128> g-c-c migrated to bluez5 so I guess u-c-c work is mostly backporting work they did
[15:53] <seb128> the indicator is vala
[15:53] <seb128> which should be fine for you
[15:53] <larsu> who's the original author? Charles?
[15:53] <seb128> desrt, ;-)
[15:53] <seb128> no, Robert
[15:53] <didrocks> larsu: I can give you pointers to robert's initial work on the porting
[15:53] <larsu> seb128: ok, cool
[15:53] <larsu> didrocks: yes please
[15:53] <seb128> larsu, didrocks, thanks
[15:53] <didrocks> will do after meeting :)
[15:54] <didrocks> thanks seb128 :)
[15:54] <larsu> desrt: just thought about that for 2 minutes after reading that bug report
[15:54] <desrt> larsu: you know you want to...
[15:54] <larsu> desrt: I definitely don't want to dive into that code :P
[15:54] <desrt> larsu: but seriously, one thought on that topic: i'd rather you mutate the existing gdbus tool into something nice rather than start from scratch and have yet another tool
[15:55] <desrt> the existing one isn't going anywhere -- too many people are using it in scripts and such
[15:55] <larsu> desrt: right, I was thinking this as well which is why I stopped my thing after the prototype
[15:55] <desrt> and you can tell apart the two usecases fairly easily: just count the number of '--' on the commandline.  if you see more than 12 instances of it, assume it's using the old syntax :)
[15:56] <larsu> haha
[15:57] <willcooke> shall we move on to FJKong ?
[15:57] <willcooke> yes
[15:57] <willcooke> we shall
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:57] <FJKong> ok my turn
[15:57] <FJKong> fix bug: when switch between window input method will apply more memory
[15:57] <FJKong> fix bug: change strategy of loading skin from memory, reduce memory using
[15:57] <FJKong> fix error output when init sogou im first time.
[15:57] <FJKong> tesing stability of candidate version
[15:57] <FJKong> in processing: ubuntukylin new feature discussing and researching, advice to integrate all to one powerful planform,
[15:58] <FJKong> oh I need mention dash searching thing also, thanks to didrocks
[15:58] <FJKong> eof
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:58] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[16:00] <willcooke> he was here a moment ago
[16:00] <willcooke> skipping on to Laney in 30.....
[16:01] <happyaron> back..
[16:01] <willcooke> ha!
[16:01] <happyaron> 1. Continued work on sogoupinyin QA integration: first-choice hit ratio test
[16:01] <happyaron> 2. Tried to bring up fcitx MIR again (updated some packages), but sorry there's remaining problems
[16:01] <happyaron> 3. Prepare for new release of sogoupinyin
[16:01] <happyaron> over
[16:01] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[16:01] <happyaron> :)
[16:01] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[16:02] <willcooke> So news then....
[16:02] <willcooke> Laney will be driving more of the Gnome work, taking over from seb128
[16:03] <willcooke> at least partially to start with, and more and more as we go forwards
[16:03] <willcooke> seb128 will be working a bit more on the U8 desktop
[16:03] <seb128> "taking over" is a bit strong, the work has been team handled for a long time ;-)
[16:03] <willcooke> fair point :)
[16:03] <seb128> I intend to still help/look at what is going on there, just spend less time on it and focus more on the unity8 side
[16:04] <Laney> "laney will be looking at the error tracker from time to time"
[16:04] <willcooke> :)
[16:04] <seb128> lol
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
[16:04] <Laney> :P
[16:04] <Laney> actually I tried to use it today and couldn't get results
[16:04] <Laney> so yeah
[16:05] <seb128> wfm, listing weekly top issues by serie at least
[16:05] <Laney> that bit works, it's when you want to change the view
[16:05] <Laney> especially searching by package
[16:05] <Laney> anwyay
[16:05] <didrocks> Laney: and bugs!
[16:05] <Laney> status report?
[16:05] <seb128> ah, k, mention it to bdmurray I guess
[16:05] <didrocks> Laney: look at all the desktop bugs!
[16:06] <Laney> bah, those things
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> some wants to grids through a large set of bug reports?
[16:06] <willcooke> (door, brb)
[16:06]  * Sweet5hark lurks out from under his stone
[16:07] <Laney> we should hire a bug master again
[16:07] <Laney> right, you guys, I'm pasting this thing now
[16:07] <Laney> so we can continue with our lives sooner
[16:07] <Laney> • New gtk3.0 in vivid, in dep wait on adwaita-icon-theme MIR, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adwaita-icon-theme/+bug/1410174
[16:07] <Laney> • New releases of evolution (e-d-s, -mapi, -ews), webkitgtk (building atm), gstreamer (including package split in ugly for phone peeps), file-roller (finish up dialogs-no-header patches & upload to vivid)
[16:07] <Laney> • SRU gvfs to utopic for some crash fixes
[16:07] <Laney> • Upstream patches for gtk (showing an empty combo in file choosers), glib (crash in the network-manager network monitor)
[16:07] <Laney> • DMB elections coming up, send around a draft timetable
[16:07] <Laney> • finish up libical transition
[16:07] <Laney> • sysvinit typo fix (not complete, sorry & thanks pitti for following up), discover floodlight autopkgtest failure due to that, looked like a bug in dpkg (depends not being configured before dependee), bisect dpkg, file https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774873, after analysis from Guillem (thanks!) it turned out to actually be a circular dep chain in java stuff. Hoping java dudes can figure out the best place to break that.
[16:07] <Laney> 😻
[16:07] <Laney> my emoji didn't work here :(
[16:08]  * didrocks looks at his MIR list to review and cry…
[16:08] <Sweet5hark> Laney: it did here!
[16:08] <didrocks> shaking first at Laney to add one more :p
[16:08] <Laney> \o/
[16:08] <willcooke> (back)
[16:08] <willcooke> I see
[16:09] <willcooke> I go away for 30 seconds and cats appear
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: you were declare the bug master in absense IIRC ...
[16:09]  * willcooke marks all as invalid. Done.
[16:09]  * didrocks gives a script to willcooke to do that
[16:09] <willcooke> another one to add to my collection.
[16:09] <willcooke> :D
[16:09] <seb128> Laney, emoji worked in my xchat-gnome
[16:09] <willcooke> oki, thanks Laney
[16:10] <Laney> well good, glad you all got to appreciate it :)
[16:10] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[16:10] <willcooke> MOAR NEWS
[16:10] <didrocks> Laney: not here, give me my money back!
[16:10]  * larsu waits for willcooke
[16:10] <willcooke> Larsu has finished the (vast majority) of the theme work, and so has paid his debt to society
[16:11] <willcooke> so good news is that he'll be spending more time with the Gtk Mir work
[16:12] <larsu> ya
[16:12] <larsu> still on some theming stuff
[16:12] <larsu> trying to get rid of unico (the focus ring is the only missing part, which is solvable but tricky, because we only want it on some widgets)
[16:13] <larsu> otherwise bamf now detects apps by looking at _GTK_APPLICATION_ID as well
[16:13] <seb128> nice!
[16:13] <didrocks> \o/ g-t \o/
[16:13] <larsu> (thanks to Trevinho for helping me a bit there)
[16:13] <seb128> does that fix the firefox loosing icon issue?
[16:13] <Sweet5hark> cool
[16:13] <larsu> seb128: no. I briefly looked into that but didn't know enough about bamf
[16:14] <larsu> seb128: I can have another look if marco doesn't find the time (he said it's next on his list)
[16:14] <larsu> didrocks: ya, that's the main reason ;)
[16:14] <willcooke> thanks larsu, would be great to see that fixed
[16:14] <seb128> larsu, let it to Trevinho, I was just curious if that was the same issue
[16:14] <larsu> ok
[16:14] <larsu> it's a different one
[16:14] <Laney> there's still a handful of 3.14 issues to fix too
[16:14] <larsu> ya
[16:14]  * larsu knows :(
[16:14] <Trevinho> larsu: I'll check it not too shortly btw, as the item biefore is quite big
[16:14]  * Laney hugs larsu 
[16:15] <Trevinho> larsu: have you find anything useful about that firefox thing btw?
[16:15] <larsu> there was also a bug with my icon-resizing patch which I MR'd
[16:15] <larsu> some apps that use GtkUIManager for menus had empty images next to menu bar items
[16:16] <larsu> if show-icons was set, which apparently some desktops (and some people on unity) do
[16:16] <larsu> Trevinho: no, sorry. It was just a brief look. I have the same problem for my gnome-terminal profile fwiw
[16:16] <Laney> oh ya, you should get someone to review that upstream
[16:17] <larsu> desrt: ^^
[16:17] <larsu> ;)
[16:17] <desrt> terminal profile creation?
[16:17] <larsu> I think that's the important points from me this week
[16:17] <Laney> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742181
[16:18] <larsu> desrt: can you review the patch on that ^ bug please?
[16:19] <larsu> didrocks: thanks ;)
[16:19] <larsu> willcooke: done.
[16:19] <willcooke> thx larsu
[16:19] <willcooke> #topic mlankhorst
[16:19] <mlankhorst> fixing rotation with optimus configs, bug 1410238 and bug 1405325 - uploaded to vivid.
[16:19] <mlankhorst> skipping vt switch on suspend with the nouveau and radeon drivers
[16:19] <mlankhorst> finally fixing a ton of bugs with xmir and egl, input suport unavailable for now. Finally works correctly with the android drivers.
[16:19] <mlankhorst> repeatedly pinging #ubuntu-release about lts-utopic without much success. :/
[16:19] <mlankhorst> ^D
[16:20] <didrocks> mlankhorst: you should start pinging individual people from the SRU team
[16:20] <mlankhorst> yeah..
[16:20] <willcooke> how about Laney ? ;)
[16:20] <Laney> NOPE
[16:20] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members
[16:20] <mlankhorst> it needs to be sru admins too..
[16:20] <willcooke> ahh
[16:21] <pitti> Laney: oh, thanks for analyzing the floodlight problem!
[16:21] <Laney> np
[16:22] <willcooke> mlankhorst, enjoy your days off!
[16:22] <Laney> it pricked my suspicious spidy sense
[16:22] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[16:22] <willcooke> qengho is having IRC issues, so is probably not around
[16:22] <willcooke> his update is:
[16:22] <willcooke> * had some luck with attaching chromium to mir. Needs more work.
[16:22] <willcooke> so moving in the right direction
[16:23] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[16:23] <seb128> hey
[16:23] <seb128> • spent some times watching the news while working...
[16:23] <seb128> • backported cairo segfault fix to trusty
[16:23] <seb128> • handled gpg key replacement in the Debian keyring (a bit more complicated because I didn't do it before holidays and they expired my old key so I needed somebody else to sign the request)
[16:23] <seb128> • reviewed e.u.c current top issues, spotted some upstream fixes worth backporting, commented on bugs/pinged some people about those/uploaded some others
[16:23] <seb128> • tested/backported some translation fixes to rtm
[16:23] <seb128> • landed unity-settings-daemon oem fix for mic mute key (SRU still to do)
[16:23] <seb128> • helped a bit on the sponsoring queue
[16:23] <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions
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[16:23] <willcooke> thx seb128
[16:23] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> not much beyond the usual stuff:
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> - bumped LibreOffice 4.4 to rc2 in -prereleases
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> - walked through all the internal libreoffice deps, where we are currently
[16:24] <Sweet5hark>   using an internal copy for MIRs and sync galore (seb128 knows details, ongoing)
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> - prepared 4.2.8 SRU for trusty
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> - (4.3.4 SRU for utopic still in queue unapproved)
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> - travel stuff, board stuff ...
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> - excited to see LibreOffice running from the Ubuntu Phone ;)
[16:24] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[16:24] <willcooke> thx Sweet5hark
[16:24] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[16:24] <willcooke> tkamppeter is out, so update is:
[16:24] <willcooke> - system-config-printer: Fixed SRU package for Trusty to remove wrong
[16:24] <willcooke> dependency.
[16:24] <willcooke> - Contacted HP and Brother for continuation of IPP-over-USB testing.
[16:24] <willcooke> Brother waiting for fix by hardware development and has also a different
[16:24] <willcooke> printer on which they are testing now, HP will continue soon.
[16:24] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[16:25] <willcooke> #topic themuso
[16:25] <willcooke> * Started looking into testing Gtk on Mir with a11y stack, still working out what I need to get things going.
[16:25] <willcooke> * Started looking at bug # again, due to OEM reasons, and think I may have a better idea of what is going on this time around.
[16:25] <willcooke> * Discussion with HWE about some backports relating to pulseaudio, newer kernels, and trusty.
[16:25] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[16:25] <willcooke> $USUAL_REMINDER_ABOUT_TRAVEL_BOOKINGS
[16:26] <willcooke> Oh, fun seasonal update:  it's not dark yet.
[16:26] <willcooke> this is good
[16:26] <seb128> it is here
[16:26] <seb128> well, almost
[16:26] <seb128> it's not really day anymore at least
[16:26] <willcooke> soon it will be summer again :D
[16:27] <willcooke> and we can take our meetings outside
[16:27] <Laney> I think I'll be closing the blind in about 12 minutes
[16:27] <Laney> given rate of endarkening
[16:27] <Sweet5hark> dark here :(
[16:27] <desrt> super-bright, eurosuckers!
[16:27] <didrocks> seb128: go to a nice city!
[16:27] <willcooke> haha
[16:27] <seb128> my ubuntu phone says "sunset: 16:57"
[16:27] <Sweet5hark> desrt: ha1
[16:27] <desrt> you guys waste all of your sunlight while i'll still sleeping
[16:27] <willcooke> okay, thanks everyone.
[16:27] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 13 16:27:56 2015 UTC.
[16:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-01-13-15.30.moin.txt
[16:27] <seb128> thanks
[16:28] <willcooke> desrt, please email me some sunshine
[16:28] <Laney> the other day someone was talking to me about a nice meal they had outside last summer
[16:28] <willcooke> actually, fax it
[16:28] <Laney> "holy shit I remember now, that can happen and will happen again"
[16:28] <willcooke> Keep the faith Laney
[16:28] <Sweet5hark> desrt: dont let larsu to talk into some Berlin tech museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Museum is the place to go.
[16:29] <larsu> Sweet5hark: doesn't have the hands-on / experiments area that I was alluding to
[16:29] <Sweet5hark> larsu: hmm, IIRC they have something like that too ...
[16:30] <desrt> willcooke: take 1 minute ago, for you: http://i.imgur.com/4SjIGMw.jpg
[16:30] <larsu> Sweet5hark: oh reall? Cool. Then the only problem left is that it is in Munich
[16:30] <Sweet5hark> larsu: admittedly that is a problem.
[16:30] <larsu> desrt, willcooke: took that a minute ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black
[16:30]  * didrocks had the same photo, but without the snow
[16:31] <larsu> desrt: don't make me miss TO
[16:31] <desrt> lots of nice things in that photo -- you're looking at humber bay west, for the most part
[16:32] <desrt> you can see the humber river pedestrian bridge at about 1/4 to 1/3 away across the image from the left
[16:32] <desrt> CN tower is visible pretty close on the right
[16:32] <desrt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humber_Bay_Arch_Bridge <-- love this bridge
[16:34] <desrt> larsu: i hear we're having a canadian sprint soon -- you can come back :)
[16:34] <larsu> desrt: we are?
[16:34] <desrt> ya.  i uh.. *cough*heard a rumour
[16:34] <didrocks> or is it like a light pressure you are trying? :)
[17:08] <willcooke> :D
[17:09] <seb128> hum, the kernel from proposed fixes my "no display" issue, but gives a wrong screen resolution
[17:09] <seb128> back on the old kernel meanwhile then
[17:22] <sil2100> mitya57: so I'm almost done with the review of the systray branch, looks good so far
[17:23] <sil2100> mitya57: in one version of appmenu-qt5 I also implemented similar AppMenuPlatformMenuItem's amd AppMenuPlatformMenu's, but then dropped that for a more hacky but optimal solution
[18:41] <willcooke> qengho, did you get connectivity sorted?
[18:52] <willcooke> qengho, when you do get back online please see email and reply when you can.  Cheers!
[18:52]  * willcooke -> EOD
[18:55] <cyphermox> kenvandine: hey!
[18:55] <kenvandine> hey cyphermox
[18:55] <cyphermox> how are you?
[18:55] <kenvandine> good, and you?
[18:55] <cyphermox> pretty good
[18:56] <kenvandine> i saw you proposed a branch
[18:56] <cyphermox> I got you another bluetooth system-settings fix ;)
[18:56] <cyphermox> hehe
[18:57] <cyphermox> it mimicks other things gnome-bluetooth does, the applet has its own agent, and the wizard registers one too, one of the two is adapter-wide
[18:57] <cyphermox> so it's pretty much the same thing; until we possibly more the adapter-wide agent to the indicator in the future
[18:58] <kenvandine> sounds like a good move
[18:58] <kenvandine> cyphermox, any bug it fixes?
[18:58] <kenvandine> or just a general improvement
[18:58] <cyphermox> general improvement more than a bug it fixes
[18:58] <cyphermox> there are some bugs, that's why I'd prefer if seb could test it too with his car
[18:58] <cyphermox> but it does generally improve pairing
[18:58] <kenvandine> any idea why the CI test failed?
[18:58] <cyphermox> commit message
[18:59] <cyphermox> ;)
[18:59] <kenvandine> oh... right :)
[18:59] <kenvandine> cool
[18:59] <cyphermox> I had set it up early to have mandel have a first quick look before I'd propose it for merging to trunk
[19:00] <kenvandine> no... it's more than that
[19:00] <kenvandine> 18:50:32.791 ERROR testresult:44 - ERROR: ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_reset.ResetTestCase.test_reset_launcher
[19:00] <kenvandine> sounds unrelated though
[19:00] <cyphermox> oh, I missed it then, sorry
[19:00]  * kenvandine crosses fingers and clicks rebuild
[19:16] <xclaesse> seb128, ubuntu vivid still has gedit 3.10, what's blocking the new UI to be integrated in ubuntu? Never tried it, so I don't know if it's full of regressions, or something.
[19:16] <xclaesse> I see gnome-terminal got upgraded finally, cool :)
[20:52] <seb128> xclaesse, new gtk was needed to update it, that landed not long ago, so I guess gedit is going to be looked at next
[20:55] <xclaesse> seb128, ok thx
[21:00]  * desrt sinks one notch deeper into the rabbit hole
[21:00] <desrt> seb128: i'm at the point where i'm wondering why a certain piece of code exists and finding bugs that you opened in 2008
[21:00] <seb128> desrt, nice, which ones? ;-)
[21:01] <desrt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520484
[21:02] <desrt> nevermind that i rewrote the trash backend since then since it was a crashing leaking disaster all around anyway
[21:02] <desrt> that's when we were hanging out in mountain view... rickspencer3 time :)
[21:03] <seb128> hehe
[21:04]  * desrt is pretty sure this is no longer an issue *cough*
[21:04]  * desrt deletes code with fingers crossed
[21:07] <seb128> yeah, that's probably resolved since