| darkxst | hey octoquad | 01:29 |
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| ratchek | Hello! | 02:42 |
| ratchek | OK, this is my first time using IRC, so if i do anything wrong please correct me | 02:43 |
| ratchek | if i'm having problems with gnome-ubuntu where should i go? | 02:43 |
| darkxst | ratchek, what problems are you having? | 03:56 |
| ratchek | oh, didn't notice you're here | 04:15 |
| ratchek | hi | 04:15 |
| ratchek | so i've loaded ubuntu gnome on my new laptop (http://www.amazon.com/Dell-i3147-3750sLV-11-6-Inch-Convertible-Touchscreen/dp/B00KMRGF3M) | 04:17 |
| ratchek | and it keeps freezing during the booting sequence | 04:17 |
| ratchek | i tried reinstalling it | 04:17 |
| ratchek | then i tried reinstalling it in legacy boot mode | 04:17 |
| ratchek | and it keeps frezing | 04:18 |
| ratchek | when i entered ubuntu recovery mode | 04:18 |
| ratchek | it freezes at : | 04:19 |
| ratchek | [ 5.479187] system-devd[266] : starting version 204 | 04:19 |
| ratchek | unfortunately, i have to leave. I won't be turning off the client, so if somebody could write what hours would be best to get help, i would come back then. Thanks in advance. | 04:48 |
| semicolon | Good morning | 06:07 |
| darkxst | ratchek, you are trying to install 14.04? might be best to try 14.10 since its a new laptop | 06:11 |
| darkxst | semicolon, morning | 06:11 |
| ratchek | 14.10 is the first one i tried | 06:12 |
| octoquad | morning semicolon | 06:13 |
| darkxst | ratchek, 14.10 has systemd 208 I think? | 06:14 |
| darkxst | ratchek, what gpu do you have? | 06:14 |
| ratchek | darkxst, sorry, but what is system 208? | 06:14 |
| darkxst | <ratchek> [ 5.479187] system-devd[266] : starting version 204 | 06:15 |
| ratchek | darkxst, oh, yes I see what you're saying | 06:15 |
| ratchek | but after i tried and failed with 14.10 u started trying with 14.04 | 06:16 |
| darkxst | ratchek, what gpu do you have? | 06:16 |
| ratchek | because i figured, sice it's lts, it should have better support | 06:16 |
| ratchek | ok, I'm kind of a newbie | 06:16 |
| darkxst | graphics card? | 06:17 |
| ratchek | so according to amazon, this particular laptop has Intel HD graphics | 06:17 |
| ratchek | that's all it says | 06:17 |
| ratchek | how can i find out? | 06:17 |
| darkxst | ratchek, look on dell site? | 06:18 |
| ratchek | ok, give me a sec | 06:18 |
| ratchek | all it says is Intel® HD Graphics | 06:20 |
| ratchek | this is a 400$ laptop | 06:21 |
| ratchek | is it possible for it to not have a dedicated gpu? | 06:21 |
| darkxst | intel gpu are integrated in the cpu | 06:21 |
| darkxst | ratchek, maybe try booting a daily image and see if that works (for live session) that has a newer kernel | 06:22 |
| ratchek | yeah so unfortunately, that is all i got out of the dell site | 06:22 |
| darkxst | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/ | 06:22 |
| ratchek | darkxst, could you please explain what a daily-live image is? | 06:24 |
| ratchek | darkxst, ok, for some reason i was able to boot it off the live cd that i used for the originall install | 06:25 |
| ratchek | is there any diagnostic i could run in the terminal that would tell me what's wrong? | 06:26 |
| mgedmin | lspci -s 00:02.0 -nnn will tell you what kind of graphics it has | 06:27 |
| ratchek | darkxst, great, so i ran the command and got the following | 06:29 |
| ratchek | Intel Corporation ValleyView Gen7 | 06:29 |
| ratchek | [8086:0f31] | 06:29 |
| darkxst | ratchek, hmm, so its actually quite old | 06:30 |
| ratchek | darkxst, is that a good thing or a bad thing? | 06:30 |
| darkxst | would be best to paste some logs, probably /var/log/gdm/\:0*.log | 06:30 |
| darkxst | ratchek, well it should definately work with 14.10 and probably 14.04 | 06:31 |
| ratchek | darkxst, will the logs help even though i'm using a live session to access the terminal? | 06:35 |
| darkxst | ratchek, no, probably not | 06:35 |
| ratchek | darkxst, isn't it wierd that the live session goes through and the normal install doesn't? | 06:35 |
| ratchek | darkxst, or does that happen | 06:35 |
| darkxst | ratchek, quite rare on a fresh install | 06:38 |
| ratchek | darkxst, any ideas what i could try next or where to look for a solution? | 06:38 |
| darkxst | ratchek, not without seeing logs of the failure | 06:41 |
| mgedmin | exactly how hard does it freeze on boot? | 06:41 |
| mgedmin | can you ctrl-alt-f1...f7? | 06:41 |
| mgedmin | can you alt-sysrq-s,u,b? | 06:41 |
| darkxst | reboot and get /var/log/gdm/\:0*.log and /var/log/syslog | 06:42 |
| ratchek | mgedmin, haven't tried, I'm kind of new to this. I'll try now. | 06:42 |
| ratchek | mgedmin, ok, so the ctrl-alt-f1...f7 didnt' work | 06:46 |
| ratchek | mgedmin, also my laptop doesn't have sysrq for some reason, so i tried with the prntscrn button which didn't work either | 06:47 |
| ratchek | darkxst, mgedmin, also funny thing when i was turning off the live sesion, it froze. Again none of the other methods worked | 06:48 |
| ratchek | darkxst, hmm, i'm new to irc, how do i indicate that the message is to both you and mgedmin? | 06:49 |
| darkxst | you just did! | 06:50 |
| darkxst | could be a kernel issue if you can't switch to a VT with ctl-alt-f1 etc | 06:50 |
| ratchek | darkxst, that sounds bad and complicated/impossible to fix... | 06:51 |
| darkxst | ratchek, 1. maybe try boot with 'nomodeset' | 06:52 |
| darkxst | 2. do try the daily-image maybe whatever bug you are hitting is fixed in newer kernel | 06:52 |
| ratchek | darkxst, ok, i just tried turning it on again and it somhow booted to the recovery menu | 06:52 |
| ratchek | darkxst, is there anyway i can now supply the logs of what was happening at startup? | 06:53 |
| darkxst | no, you need to get the logs after it freezes | 06:53 |
| ratchek | darkxst, too bad, thought i got lucky. | 06:54 |
| ratchek | darkxst, would you please explain what nomodest is? | 06:54 |
| octoquad | darkxst, any reason apport isn't submitting bug reports? Just had a crash with gnome-shell... | 06:55 |
| darkxst | ratchek, its a kernel option | 06:55 |
| darkxst | octoquad, 15.04? maybe they haven't enabled them yet? | 06:56 |
| ratchek | darkxst, mhm, but what does it do? | 06:56 |
| octoquad | weird | 06:56 |
| darkxst | switches from kernel mode setting which does fix some issues for people | 06:56 |
| darkxst | octoquad, you can run ubuntu-bug on the crash file in /var/crash | 06:57 |
| octoquad | darkxst, commented out a line in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf | 06:57 |
| octoquad | busy submitting | 06:57 |
| darkxst | or yes that also | 06:57 |
| octoquad | proabably got reset on an update | 06:57 |
| darkxst | crashes still go to errors.u.c regardless I think | 06:58 |
| octoquad | oh | 06:58 |
| darkxst | which is a good way to find high-impact crashes | 06:59 |
| octoquad | well this was bad, lost the shell completely and was unable to use gnome-shell --replace as connection was refused | 06:59 |
| octoquad | although the firefox was still working, just no window management | 07:00 |
| darkxst | octoquad, what I do, and it will nearly always work | 07:00 |
| octoquad | ah huh | 07:00 |
| darkxst | switch to VT and do a metacity --replace | 07:00 |
| octoquad | nice | 07:00 |
| octoquad | I'll remember that | 07:00 |
| darkxst | sometimes you need to kill gnome-shell first | 07:00 |
| darkxst | with -9 | 07:00 |
| darkxst | then restart gnome-shell once you are back in your X session | 07:01 |
| octoquad | I just do sudo service gdm restart and everything is back to normal haha | 07:01 |
| ratchek | darkxst, i did it, it worked like a charm! | 07:02 |
| ratchek | darkxst, thank you very much | 07:02 |
| ratchek | darkxst, do i need to do that every time i reboot? | 07:02 |
| ratchek | darkxst, ok, i think i found the answer to my previous question | 07:05 |
| darkxst | octoquad, but that kills your session! | 07:05 |
| darkxst | ratchek, what did you do? | 07:07 |
| ratchek | darkxst, change the /etc/grub file from "quiet splash" to "quiet splash nomodest" | 07:08 |
| ratchek | darkxst, and then update-grub | 07:08 |
| ratchek | darkxst, haven't rebooted yet, so if something's wrong, now would be the time to shout :) | 07:08 |
| darkxst | ratchek, ok, the will stick, no need to do it next time you reboot | 07:09 |
| ratchek | you guys are all awesome | 07:10 |
| darkxst | ricotz, hi | 07:10 |
| ratchek | darkxst, do you mind if i ask to off-topic questions? | 07:10 |
| darkxst | ricotz, http://pastebin.com/K0bBWtte look right? | 07:10 |
| darkxst | ratchek, ok | 07:10 |
| darkxst | ricotz, cdbs really doesn't make it easy to override make check ;( | 07:11 |
| ratchek | darkxst, first of all, i'm a 2nd year computer science student and i just recently learned about opensource softwarre. I wanted to start contributing via github or something similar, but while i've learned c++ and java in school well enough to continue studying on my own, when i tried looking at the opensource projects their structure overwhelmed me. It is so different than anything i have learned. I don't know if i'll be learning | 07:14 |
| ratchek | that in school but do you maybe know where i could ease into the opensource world, so i could get aquainted with the way things work and eventually be able to contribute? | 07:14 |
| darkxst | ratchek, GNOME is mostly C, Vala and Javascript not very much c++ | 07:15 |
| darkxst | ratchek, probably best way is to start by trying to fix a few (simple) bugs | 07:16 |
| ratchek | darkxst, i would consider learning C but that's not my main point. I'm looking for somewhere to learn the structure of coding projects in general | 07:17 |
| darkxst | ratchek, there is no one structure | 07:17 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hi. yeah, cdbs can be weird, but this seems to be more hacky/verbose than needed | 07:17 |
| darkxst | most of the big projects have kind of each evolved into their own different standard | 07:18 |
| darkxst | ricotz, do you have a better idea? common-post-build-arch doesnt work because it runs in fakeroot | 07:18 |
| darkxst | and common-build-arch seems to get called multiple times | 07:18 |
| ratchek | darkxst, any small projects floating arround you know about? | 07:18 |
| darkxst | ratchek, I would say just pick any project that interests you. then find a bug that annoys you and fix it! | 07:19 |
| ratchek | darkxst, ok, thanks i'll keep trying. | 07:20 |
| ratchek | darkxst, also departing, where there any stumbles when it came to irc protocol that i made? | 07:20 |
| ratchek | darkxst, anything i should be aware of? | 07:20 |
| ricotz | darkxst, i see, did you take a look at existing packagings? | 07:21 |
| ricotz | e.g. unstable-desktop/libsoup2.4/debian/rules | 07:21 |
| darkxst | ricotz, I did do a code search for xvfb-run in debian, though its rarely used in cdbs it seems | 07:23 |
| darkxst | didnt see that one though | 07:25 |
| ratchek | darkst, thank you once again | 07:29 |
| ratchek | goodbye | 07:29 |
| darkxst | ricotz, though that seems way more verbose than mine | 07:29 |
| darkxst | does xvfb-run really spam $HOME? | 07:29 |
| darkxst | or would that be for tests that require $HOME | 07:30 |
| ricotz | darkxst, not xvfb-run itself but the tests if needed | 07:32 |
| darkxst | ricotz, ok, which I pretty sure isn't needed for gjs tests | 07:50 |
| darkxst | octoquad, feel like verifying bug 1391102? | 09:43 |
| ubot5 | bug 1391102 in tracker (Ubuntu) "[MRE] Update to tracker 1.0.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391102 | 09:43 |
| darkxst | (see comment #6 for instructions) | 09:43 |
| darkxst | and given its a MRE you just need to make sure it works fine (there is no specific issues as such!) | 09:44 |
| LinDol | hi all | 14:20 |
| JockeTF | Hellopaca, LinDol! | 14:34 |
| LinDol | JockeTF, Thank you for your greeting :) | 14:34 |
| JockeTF | LinDol: You are very welcome. ;P | 14:36 |
| LinDol | ;) | 14:41 |
| LinDol | I will go to the bed, have a good night. ;-) | 14:43 |
| octoquad | darkxst, sure, I'll test in a VM and a real machine I work on for a day to make sure there are no problems. | 18:44 |
| darkxst | octoquad, thanks | 20:47 |
| octoquad | so far no problems in VM | 20:57 |
| darkxst | ok, wouldnt expect any problems really, in fact it fixes a bunch of crashes | 21:02 |
| octoquad | Is this a mission: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1129409 | 21:07 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1129409 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "Nvidia and AMD graphics drivers should indicate whether they provide libcuda.so.1, libOpenCL.so.1, etc." [Medium,In progress] | 21:07 |
| octoquad | Would tracker be updated for this as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1409461 | 21:09 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1409461 in Ubuntu GNOME "tracker-miner-fs crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Undecided,New] | 21:09 |
| darkxst | not sure if that is fixed in tracker 1.0.6 | 21:11 |
| darkxst | seems alberto is the only one that knows how to fix the fglrx bug | 21:12 |
| octoquad | I suppose I could just ask him to enable the proposed repo to try tracker 1.0.6? | 21:12 |
| octoquad | and ask them not to reply on that bug report that it doesn't work because it might be a seperate issue with tracker | 21:13 |
| darkxst | octoquad, well it wouldnt have been introduced in 1.0.5/1.0.6 so wouldnt affect the SRU | 21:26 |
| darkxst | and it maybe crashing on a particular file on the users system, '/usr/lib/tracker-miner-fs -v 3 -n' would show that | 21:29 |
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