[01:29] hey octoquad === prth is now known as prth|away === prth|away is now known as prth [02:42] Hello! [02:43] OK, this is my first time using IRC, so if i do anything wrong please correct me [02:43] if i'm having problems with gnome-ubuntu where should i go? [03:56] ratchek, what problems are you having? [04:15] oh, didn't notice you're here [04:15] hi [04:17] so i've loaded ubuntu gnome on my new laptop (http://www.amazon.com/Dell-i3147-3750sLV-11-6-Inch-Convertible-Touchscreen/dp/B00KMRGF3M) [04:17] and it keeps freezing during the booting sequence [04:17] i tried reinstalling it [04:17] then i tried reinstalling it in legacy boot mode [04:18] and it keeps frezing [04:18] when i entered ubuntu recovery mode [04:19] it freezes at : [04:19] [ 5.479187] system-devd[266] : starting version 204 [04:48] unfortunately, i have to leave. I won't be turning off the client, so if somebody could write what hours would be best to get help, i would come back then. Thanks in advance. [06:07] Good morning [06:11] ratchek, you are trying to install 14.04? might be best to try 14.10 since its a new laptop [06:11] semicolon, morning [06:12] 14.10 is the first one i tried [06:13] morning semicolon [06:14] ratchek, 14.10 has systemd 208 I think? [06:14] ratchek, what gpu do you have? [06:14] darkxst, sorry, but what is system 208? [06:15] <ratchek> [ 5.479187] system-devd[266] : starting version 204 [06:15] darkxst, oh, yes I see what you're saying [06:16] but after i tried and failed with 14.10 u started trying with 14.04 [06:16] ratchek, what gpu do you have? [06:16] because i figured, sice it's lts, it should have better support [06:16] ok, I'm kind of a newbie [06:17] graphics card? [06:17] so according to amazon, this particular laptop has Intel HD graphics [06:17] that's all it says [06:17] how can i find out? [06:18] ratchek, look on dell site? [06:18] ok, give me a sec [06:20] all it says is Intel® HD Graphics [06:21] this is a 400$ laptop [06:21] is it possible for it to not have a dedicated gpu? [06:21] intel gpu are integrated in the cpu [06:22] ratchek, maybe try booting a daily image and see if that works (for live session) that has a newer kernel [06:22] yeah so unfortunately, that is all i got out of the dell site [06:22] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/ [06:24] darkxst, could you please explain what a daily-live image is? [06:25] darkxst, ok, for some reason i was able to boot it off the live cd that i used for the originall install [06:26] is there any diagnostic i could run in the terminal that would tell me what's wrong? [06:27] lspci -s 00:02.0 -nnn will tell you what kind of graphics it has [06:29] darkxst, great, so i ran the command and got the following [06:29] Intel Corporation ValleyView Gen7 [06:29] [8086:0f31] [06:30] ratchek, hmm, so its actually quite old [06:30] darkxst, is that a good thing or a bad thing? [06:30] would be best to paste some logs, probably /var/log/gdm/\:0*.log [06:31] ratchek, well it should definately work with 14.10 and probably 14.04 [06:35] darkxst, will the logs help even though i'm using a live session to access the terminal? [06:35] ratchek, no, probably not [06:35] darkxst, isn't it wierd that the live session goes through and the normal install doesn't? [06:35] darkxst, or does that happen [06:38] ratchek, quite rare on a fresh install [06:38] darkxst, any ideas what i could try next or where to look for a solution? [06:41] ratchek, not without seeing logs of the failure [06:41] exactly how hard does it freeze on boot? [06:41] can you ctrl-alt-f1...f7? [06:41] can you alt-sysrq-s,u,b? [06:42] reboot and get /var/log/gdm/\:0*.log and /var/log/syslog [06:42] mgedmin, haven't tried, I'm kind of new to this. I'll try now. [06:46] mgedmin, ok, so the ctrl-alt-f1...f7 didnt' work [06:47] mgedmin, also my laptop doesn't have sysrq for some reason, so i tried with the prntscrn button which didn't work either [06:48] darkxst, mgedmin, also funny thing when i was turning off the live sesion, it froze. Again none of the other methods worked [06:49] darkxst, hmm, i'm new to irc, how do i indicate that the message is to both you and mgedmin? [06:50] you just did! [06:50] could be a kernel issue if you can't switch to a VT with ctl-alt-f1 etc [06:51] darkxst, that sounds bad and complicated/impossible to fix... [06:52] ratchek, 1. maybe try boot with 'nomodeset' [06:52] 2. do try the daily-image maybe whatever bug you are hitting is fixed in newer kernel [06:52] darkxst, ok, i just tried turning it on again and it somhow booted to the recovery menu [06:53] darkxst, is there anyway i can now supply the logs of what was happening at startup? [06:53] no, you need to get the logs after it freezes [06:54] darkxst, too bad, thought i got lucky. [06:54] darkxst, would you please explain what nomodest is? [06:55] darkxst, any reason apport isn't submitting bug reports? Just had a crash with gnome-shell... [06:55] ratchek, its a kernel option [06:56] octoquad, 15.04? maybe they haven't enabled them yet? [06:56] darkxst, mhm, but what does it do? [06:56] weird [06:56] switches from kernel mode setting which does fix some issues for people [06:57] octoquad, you can run ubuntu-bug on the crash file in /var/crash [06:57] darkxst, commented out a line in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf [06:57] busy submitting [06:57] or yes that also [06:57] proabably got reset on an update [06:58] crashes still go to errors.u.c regardless I think [06:58] oh [06:59] which is a good way to find high-impact crashes [06:59] well this was bad, lost the shell completely and was unable to use gnome-shell --replace as connection was refused [07:00] although the firefox was still working, just no window management [07:00] octoquad, what I do, and it will nearly always work [07:00] ah huh [07:00] switch to VT and do a metacity --replace [07:00] nice [07:00] I'll remember that [07:00] sometimes you need to kill gnome-shell first [07:00] with -9 [07:01] then restart gnome-shell once you are back in your X session [07:01] I just do sudo service gdm restart and everything is back to normal haha [07:02] darkxst, i did it, it worked like a charm! [07:02] darkxst, thank you very much [07:02] darkxst, do i need to do that every time i reboot? [07:05] darkxst, ok, i think i found the answer to my previous question [07:05] octoquad, but that kills your session! [07:07] ratchek, what did you do? [07:08] darkxst, change the /etc/grub file from "quiet splash" to "quiet splash nomodest" [07:08] darkxst, and then update-grub [07:08] darkxst, haven't rebooted yet, so if something's wrong, now would be the time to shout :) [07:09] ratchek, ok, the will stick, no need to do it next time you reboot [07:10] you guys are all awesome [07:10] ricotz, hi [07:10] darkxst, do you mind if i ask to off-topic questions? [07:10] ricotz, http://pastebin.com/K0bBWtte look right? [07:10] ratchek, ok [07:11] ricotz, cdbs really doesn't make it easy to override make check ;( [07:14] darkxst, first of all, i'm a 2nd year computer science student and i just recently learned about opensource softwarre. I wanted to start contributing via github or something similar, but while i've learned c++ and java in school well enough to continue studying on my own, when i tried looking at the opensource projects their structure overwhelmed me. It is so different than anything i have learned. I don't know if i'll be learning [07:14] that in school but do you maybe know where i could ease into the opensource world, so i could get aquainted with the way things work and eventually be able to contribute? [07:15] ratchek, GNOME is mostly C, Vala and Javascript not very much c++ [07:16] ratchek, probably best way is to start by trying to fix a few (simple) bugs [07:17] darkxst, i would consider learning C but that's not my main point. I'm looking for somewhere to learn the structure of coding projects in general [07:17] ratchek, there is no one structure [07:17] darkxst, hi. yeah, cdbs can be weird, but this seems to be more hacky/verbose than needed [07:18] most of the big projects have kind of each evolved into their own different standard [07:18] ricotz, do you have a better idea? common-post-build-arch doesnt work because it runs in fakeroot [07:18] and common-build-arch seems to get called multiple times [07:18] darkxst, any small projects floating arround you know about? [07:19] ratchek, I would say just pick any project that interests you. then find a bug that annoys you and fix it! [07:20] darkxst, ok, thanks i'll keep trying. [07:20] darkxst, also departing, where there any stumbles when it came to irc protocol that i made? [07:20] darkxst, anything i should be aware of? [07:21] darkxst, i see, did you take a look at existing packagings? [07:21] e.g. unstable-desktop/libsoup2.4/debian/rules [07:23] ricotz, I did do a code search for xvfb-run in debian, though its rarely used in cdbs it seems [07:25] didnt see that one though [07:29] darkst, thank you once again [07:29] goodbye [07:29] ricotz, though that seems way more verbose than mine [07:29] does xvfb-run really spam $HOME? [07:30] or would that be for tests that require $HOME [07:32] darkxst, not xvfb-run itself but the tests if needed [07:50] ricotz, ok, which I pretty sure isn't needed for gjs tests [09:43] octoquad, feel like verifying bug 1391102? [09:43] bug 1391102 in tracker (Ubuntu) "[MRE] Update to tracker 1.0.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391102 [09:43] (see comment #6 for instructions) [09:44] and given its a MRE you just need to make sure it works fine (there is no specific issues as such!) [14:20] hi all [14:34] Hellopaca, LinDol! [14:34] JockeTF, Thank you for your greeting :) [14:36] LinDol: You are very welcome. ;P [14:41] ;) [14:43] I will go to the bed, have a good night. ;-) [18:44] darkxst, sure, I'll test in a VM and a real machine I work on for a day to make sure there are no problems. [20:47] octoquad, thanks [20:57] so far no problems in VM [21:02] ok, wouldnt expect any problems really, in fact it fixes a bunch of crashes [21:07] Is this a mission: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1129409 [21:07] Launchpad bug 1129409 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "Nvidia and AMD graphics drivers should indicate whether they provide libcuda.so.1, libOpenCL.so.1, etc." [Medium,In progress] [21:09] Would tracker be updated for this as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1409461 [21:09] Launchpad bug 1409461 in Ubuntu GNOME "tracker-miner-fs crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Undecided,New] [21:11] not sure if that is fixed in tracker 1.0.6 [21:12] seems alberto is the only one that knows how to fix the fglrx bug [21:12] I suppose I could just ask him to enable the proposed repo to try tracker 1.0.6? [21:13] and ask them not to reply on that bug report that it doesn't work because it might be a seperate issue with tracker [21:26] octoquad, well it wouldnt have been introduced in 1.0.5/1.0.6 so wouldnt affect the SRU [21:29] and it maybe crashing on a particular file on the users system, '/usr/lib/tracker-miner-fs -v 3 -n' would show that === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun