[00:01] <m0nkey_> ban encrypted chat?
[00:01] <diddledan> shauno, as far as I can tell it's actually encrypted everything, just that the guardian reported it as chat
[00:02] <shauno> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com//2015/01/12/british-prime-minister-suggests-banning-some-online-messaging-apps/
[00:03] <m0nkey_> classic case of the management not understanding the technology behind the gui.
[00:03] <zmoylan-pi> trying to ban encrypted chat is silliest idea ever.  codes existed before the internet and will exist after it's been replaced by something else
[00:04] <m0nkey_> Seems the rumour mill is running for Beetlejuice sequel.. http://comicbook.com/2015/01/11/beetlejuice-sequel-to-be-set-in-present-day-and-bring-back-micha/
[00:04] <m0nkey_> Wait, I'm using encrypted chat right now
[00:04] <m0nkey_> SSL all the way Client->ZNC->Freenode
[00:04] <diddledan> m0nkey_, I'm encrypted too
[00:04] <diddledan> port 6697 ftwe
[00:04] <diddledan> ftw**
[00:05] <shauno> it's not working very well, I can see you just fine :)
[00:05] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:07] <zmoylan-pi> mine' so secure that it encrypts my passwords if i type them in.   ****** see :-)
[00:07] <diddledan> nipplebottom
[00:07] <diddledan> mine doesn't
[00:07] <m0nkey_> hunter2
[00:08] <m0nkey_> did you see that?
[00:08]  * zmoylan-pi scribbles down passwords...
[00:09] <m0nkey_> welp. work is finally giving me a cell phone to be available all the time.
[00:09] <m0nkey_> they wanted to give me an iphone *gag*
[00:09] <diddledan> yey/
[00:09] <diddledan> ?
[00:10] <m0nkey_> for a samsung s5, they wanted money from me. nope.
[00:11] <zmoylan-pi> my brother when handed a mobile phone back in the 80s to be available all the time asked how much he was been paid extra for that. when they said nothing he handed the phone back.
[00:11] <m0nkey_> i think they're giving a samsung note 3
[00:11] <m0nkey_> zmoylan-pi, they'll be giving me more money for on-call
[00:12] <m0nkey_> it's old tech, but who cares.. work phone
[00:52] <m0nkey_> Was Google right? http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/12/microsoft-google-flaw-fight/
[00:53] <shauno> when a job posting mentions "SMPT mail server knowledge" .. man that's almost begging for a smart-assed reply
[00:56] <m0nkey_> Yes, yes it does.
[00:59] <shauno> hm
[00:59] <shauno> > Lucini&Lucini's mission is to be at the cutting edge of high volume email transfer technology and to become the global leader in the e-mail marketing business.
[00:59] <shauno> no, that doesn't sound fun
[01:01] <diddledan> the global leader in e-mail marketing. as in spam0rs
[01:01] <m0nkey_> that can't speel SMTP right either
[01:02] <diddledan> well they don't care about the mechanics of it as long as it appears in your face
[01:17] <zmoylan-pi> supprised they don't just print it out wrap it around brick and chuck it through peoples windows :-)
[01:17] <zmoylan-pi> probably costs...
[01:18] <diddledan> yeah, bricks are expensive. they'd need to invent something to take a brick out of people's own homes and throw it through that home's window
[04:09] <mapps> hey all
[04:09] <mapps> decided on a new holiday
[04:09] <mapps> going to vietnam in september
[04:09] <mapps> :D
[04:09] <diddledan> jee, you go on holiday a lot
[04:09] <mapps> sure
[04:09] <mapps> but i have no kids..no wife..no partner
[04:10] <mapps> and i earn good yen
[04:10] <mapps> :D
[04:11] <mapps> going to UK next week for a week back to Knightsbridge for a week..then Hamburg in Febuary ...then my friends coming here march ...April Slovakia.....May/June Ibiza ...September Vietname
[04:12] <diddledan> due before the lords either today or tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30166477
[04:12] <mapps> lol pointless will mean jothing
[04:13] <mapps> identify criminals..sure
[04:13] <diddledan> "tie an ip to a user" <-- what about a city library that lets anyone use any computer at any time and they all access the net via a single ip
[04:14] <mapps> yep
[04:14] <mapps> its nonsense
[04:14] <diddledan> again it's politicos hearing a bit of technical verbiage and making a policy about it without actually asking anyone or finding out what it actually does
[04:15] <mapps> yea
[04:16] <diddledan> I wish I had some polical clout to be able to push through the technical angle
[04:16] <diddledan> seems the government hasn't got anyone in it with any technical background
[04:18] <diddledan> although the Government Digital Service are helping a bit for gov-website-related stuff
[04:18] <diddledan> and they pushed through the idea that odf be used instead of docx
[04:19] <diddledan> https://gds.blog.gov.uk/ <-- there's only 5 of them tho
[04:19] <diddledan> or maybe that's just the service desk?
[04:27] <mapps> who cares eh..just ignore most gov stuff
[04:27] <mapps> underqualified people get paid fortunes..we all know that
[04:27] <mapps> :D
[04:27] <diddledan> the problem is it affects us lowly people by eroding our liberties
[04:54] <mapps> hmm
[04:55] <mapps> think il watch that guardians of the galaxy tomorrow:D
[04:55] <mapps> hopefully not another let down
[04:55] <diddledan> it's fun
[04:55] <mapps> oh
[04:55] <diddledan> I really enjoyed it
[04:55] <mapps> you seen it?
[04:55] <mapps> nice
[04:55] <diddledan> yup
[04:55] <diddledan> I love the dancing groot at the end
[04:56] <diddledan> in fact, I might watch it again
[04:56] <mapps> did you watch the interview? as usual massively overrated
[04:56] <mapps> typical seth rogen film imo
[04:56] <diddledan> no, not yet
[04:56] <diddledan> I don't think I really want to
[04:56] <diddledan> it's only because of the fiasco over north korea that I even became aware of it
[04:57] <diddledan> I still have a hard time believing it was actually the koreans who attacked sony
[04:57] <mapps> ye same
[04:58] <mapps> i didnt know about it before and i reall dont rate seth ogen don think he's half as funny as he's made out to be
[04:58] <diddledan> here's a fun one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30777834
[05:56] <diddledan> nearly time to wake up
[06:00] <mapps> u working today?
[06:00] <diddledan> yup
[06:00] <mapps> sheesh
[06:00] <mapps> what time
[06:02] <diddledan> 9ish till 5ish
[06:03] <mapps> not slept at all?
[06:03] <mapps> damn
[06:03] <mapps> but you work from home yea?
[06:03] <diddledan> mostly, yeah
[06:04] <mapps> far to the office/
[06:04] <mapps> ?
[06:04] <diddledan> it is when I rely on public transport :-p
[06:04] <mapps> ah
[06:05] <mapps> so 5mins in a car;p
[06:05] <mapps> heh
[06:05] <diddledan> yup
[06:09] <mapps> watching the tennis;p
[06:34] <diddledan> ooh, chrome 39 just downloaded
[06:54] <mapps> that was tense
[06:54] <mapps> radswanka v mugarazo
[06:55] <mapps> i stood to lose £2100 if radswanka won
[06:55] <mapps> O_o
[07:19] <mapps> brooklyn nine nine is the best comedy
[07:19] <mapps> :D
[07:22] <shauno> oh man, don't tell me it's morning already :/
[07:24] <mapps> yep
[07:24] <mapps> no sleep as ever?:P
[07:24] <diddledan> might be old news: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/08/life-on-mars-photos-scientist_n_6425392.html
[07:28] <zmoylan-pi> some announcement on friday about beagle 2 i think i saw somewhere
[07:28] <mapps> night folks
[07:28] <mapps> sleep time for me
[07:28] <mapps> whats the advantage of a beagle v a pi?
[07:28] <mapps> i like my pis:)
[07:29] <zmoylan-pi> beagle has more power
[07:29] <zmoylan-pi> beagle 2 as in mars probe a few years back
[07:29] <mapps> oh
[07:29] <mapps> isnt there a board called beagle
[07:30] <mapps> i meant
[07:30] <mapps> heh
[07:30] <zmoylan-pi> also a board based pc called beagle
[07:30] <mapps> yea
[07:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's thunder was stolen by sheer number of pis shifted
[07:31] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/12/beagle-2-mars-lander-remains-red-planet
[07:31] <mapps> yea
[07:53] <Guest21717> morning all
[07:53] <MooDoo> sigh
[07:55] <popey> Morning!
[07:59] <popey> ali1234: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-January/038635.html "we aim for switching from upstart to systemd on the system side (not
[07:59] <popey> yet user session) this cycle [1]."
[08:00] <ali1234> yeah, i guess we're stuck with 1,232 running copies of each indicator service for now
[08:02] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure the badness of upstart is the reason why indicators disappear in unity as well
[08:02] <ali1234> pretty much you either have multiple copies or none
[08:02] <ali1234> it never used to happen with the old init anyway
[09:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:20] <diddledan> allo
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Skeptics Day! :-D
[09:34] <MooDoo> morning
[09:34] <diddledan> JamesTait, I'm not sure that's a real day
[09:34]  * Laney looks that up to be sure
[09:34] <JamesTait> diddledan, I see what you did there. ;)
[09:47] <knightwise> good morning peeps
[09:51] <daftykins> morning
[09:51] <daftykins> i think i brought up doctors surgery wait times the other day, just called this morning and got offered 40 mins later and 2hrs later \o/
[09:53] <MooDoo> good old DPD
[09:53] <daftykins> hmm?
[09:54] <MooDoo> delivery service that is pretty cool
[09:55] <daftykins> yeah i've had some stuff through them, though over here i think we just have people in white vans as representatives to the more obscure couriers :>
[10:04] <MooDoo> just had my new server delivered
[10:05] <daftykins> ooh what kind?
[10:05] <MooDoo> dell 1950 r1, old server but works well
[10:09]  * bashrc_ uses a netbook as his server
[10:11] <daftykins> shame on you :P
[10:12] <daftykins> hmm user in #ubuntu claims a proxy isn't working with trusty and utopic mini.isos
[10:12] <daftykins> wonder if that's a bug
[10:12] <ali1234> doubt it
[10:13] <daftykins> yeah would be a bit dramatic i guess
[10:21] <diddledan> the proxy is in his installed system on the same computer he's running the live cd on? :-p
[10:27] <MooDoo> daftykins: it's my second server as i'm playing with replication
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[10:34] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[11:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: I struggle to believe that today and national skeptics day and I think you just make these things up now ;)
[11:07] <diddledan> davmor2, septic
[11:07] <diddledan> (misspelling intended)
[11:08] <davmor2> diddledan: I prefer to think of myself as venomous but I can live with that ;)
[11:09] <JamesTait> davmor2, but you still believe I'm not a bot? ;)
[11:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: only cause I've met you unless you are a self aware bot that hires an actor to stand in for you :)
[11:11] <diddledan> davmor2, he has a wire
[11:11] <JamesTait> Darn, rumbled!
[11:18] <MooDoo> wire?  he nsa now too?
[11:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: no he is in England it is GCHQ
[11:28] <diddledan> davmor2, sure it's not Dave's Super Encryption-buster?
[11:29] <diddledan> I think the prime minister needs a computer that can only tell him "I'm sorry, Dave" when he tries to craft new leglislation
[11:29] <daftykins> :D
[11:29] <davmor2> Hello Dave
[11:30] <daftykins> i'm a Dave too ;x
[11:30] <Myrtti> anyone paying for Which?
[11:31] <daftykins> i think my mum has a sub, but it might have expired
[11:32] <diddledan> I'm sorry, Dave. I mean daftykins
[11:33] <daftykins> :>
[11:33] <daftykins> so, i've got shingles!
[11:33] <diddledan> oh bugger
[11:33] <diddledan> that's not fun at all :-(
[11:33] <daftykins> eh doesn't seem anything beyond unsightly at the moment
[11:33] <diddledan> who did you upset to get lumbered with that?
[11:33] <daftykins> hehe
[11:34] <Myrtti> mmm, might be worth the one pound trial... our toaster is pissing me off, George Foreman has lost a lot of the non-stick, kettle needs replacing and I'm getting tired of looking at the airer in the living room
[11:34] <diddledan> I've heard it can get quite uncomfortable (i.e. way more than just itchy)
[11:34] <daftykins> apparently it's just a reoccurence of childhood pox
[11:34] <daftykins> i'd heard the word before but didn't know anything about it
[11:34] <diddledan> yeah shingles is just chicken pox as an adult
[11:35] <daftykins> i can tell it's there when i'm in the shower, bit of soreness under the water etc
[11:35] <daftykins> but nothing really to it
[11:35] <diddledan> hopefully that's the worst it'll get
[11:35]  * diddledan crosses fingers
[11:35] <daftykins> i wonder if i should avoid this trip to England at the weekend
[11:35] <daftykins> hehe, ty sir
[11:37] <Myrtti> ooh, it looks like I've had MPR shots as a child
[11:37] <daftykins> i'm pretty jammy, my doctors surgery is now 50m around the corner and Boots is 50m the other way :D
[11:37] <daftykins> town living is super easy
[11:37] <popey> Myrtti: does irssinotifier crash much for you?
[11:37] <Laney> Myrtti: quid trial was quite useful when I moved house just now, you do have to phone up and suffer through some upselling attempts to cancel it though
[11:38] <Myrtti> popey: not at all
[11:38] <popey> Myrtti: there is only one true toaster. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dualit-Slice-Stainless-Toaster-40352/dp/B00008BQZC
[11:38] <popey> All other toasters are crap [FACT]
[11:39] <Myrtti> popey: we have enough big loafs and Finnish bread that requires a four slice two slot toaster that that wouldn't do... sadly.
[11:39] <daftykins> £150 for a frickin' toaster!
[11:40] <popey> The _best_ toaster
[11:41] <daftykins> heh
[11:41] <daftykins> a bold claim!
[11:41] <diddledan> does anyone know how I can get skype out of the old-style systray now that we have the indicator tray instead meaning I can't see the skype icon
[11:41] <popey> you dont see a skype icon?
[11:41] <diddledan> nupe
[11:41] <popey> what version of skype and what desktop?
[11:42] <diddledan> unity desktop. skype whatever I downloaded a couple hours ago
[11:42] <popey> 4.3.0.37
[11:42] <popey> works fine here
[11:42] <diddledan> is it set to minimise to tray?
[11:43] <popey> no
[11:43] <diddledan> well then :-p
[11:43] <popey> but it is in the tray
[11:43] <diddledan> hmm
[11:43] <diddledan> odd
[11:43] <popey> oh, hang on
[11:43] <popey> General -> "Start skye minimised in the system tray" or some other option?
[11:44] <diddledan> that one
[11:44] <popey> no, not ticked
[11:44] <daftykins> is it PPA based these days or a website download?
[11:44] <popey> i close the window, it disappears from the launcher but i see the icon in the indicator area
[11:44] <popey> works as expected
[11:44] <diddledan> I got it off skype.com
[11:44] <popey> same
[11:45] <diddledan> just killed it in the terminal and restarted - still no tray icon
[11:45] <diddledan> tray/indicator
[11:45] <popey> do you have that thing ticked?
[11:45] <diddledan> I do
[11:45] <daftykins> latest version on Windows drives me spare these days, if you get sent a new message and window switch, you have to click into the text entry box
[11:45] <popey> untick it
[11:45] <popey> and try again
[11:45] <diddledan> I can't
[11:45] <diddledan> I need to get skype in the foreground to untick it
[11:45] <popey> get someone to call you ☻
[11:45] <diddledan> I can't get skype in the foreground because there's no indicator icon
[11:45] <popey> that'll bring it to the front
[11:46] <popey> gimmie your skype id, I'll call you
[11:46] <Myrtti> oo. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sage-Appliances-Smart-Brushed-Finish/dp/B00G6FW0DI/ref=sr_1_39?s=kitchen-appliances&ie=UTF8&qid=1421149509&sr=1-39
[11:47] <popey> best thing about dualit is it doesn't popup
[11:47] <popey> so your toast stays toasty
[11:47] <daftykins> popup blocker for your toaster \o/
[11:47] <Myrtti> "actually a Breville in Sage clothing"
[11:47] <popey> heh
[11:47] <Myrtti> bah.
[11:47] <daftykins> 1.65 kW O_O
[11:51] <MooDoo> isn't that what the flux capacitor needs? lol
[11:52] <davmor2> diddledan: alt+tab? clicking on the icon in the launcher bar?
[11:52] <Laney> 1.21 jiggawats
[11:52] <Laney> tts
[11:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: there is always a geek on hand to spoil the joke isn't there, Oh hello Laney ;)
[11:53] <daftykins> :D
[11:53] <Laney> HEY THERE!
[11:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol
[11:56] <MooDoo> hay davmor2 recommendations for replication on ubuntu gluster?
[11:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: wrong person dude I would possibly have a word with Laney and popey and maybe AlanBell they may know more :)
[11:58] <MooDoo> ok
[11:58] <popey> nope
[11:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: if you have juju in place then juju does really easy replication fullstop :)
[12:00] <awilkins> +1 for Dualit
[12:00] <Laney> definitely not, sorry
[12:00] <awilkins> Russian Army Truck of toasters
[12:01] <awilkins> Primitive but very good at it's job and just keeps going
[12:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-glusterfs-with-a-replicated-volume-over-2-nodes-on-ubuntu-14.04
[12:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: no idea if that is good bad or indifferent but I hope it helps :)
[12:05] <Laney> bah, missed a call at the last second
[12:05] <daftykins> sucks when you lift up to hear someone putting it down :D
[12:06] <davmor2> popey: keep ringing Laney like that it seems to be annoying him......damn did I say that on the public channel
[12:07] <Laney> spoofing his caller ID to a nottingham number
[12:07] <Laney> clever popey!
[12:08] <davmor2> Laney: the most annoying for me is answer and discover it is one of those call centers and they hang up automatically because there are no people available to forward the call to
[12:09] <Laney> answer "hello?" <pause> <recorded message> hello, this is a courtesy call from EDF energy regarding your recent customer service query
[12:09] <Laney> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[12:09] <Laney> got one of those yesterday
[12:09] <daftykins> =/
[12:10] <daftykins> here's a fun blast from the past - https://www.dropbox.com/s/m6tkkt9t8bnjviv/IMG_0030.JPG?dl=0
[12:11] <daftykins> Dell latitude LS400 i got off ebay a stack of years ago, 400MHz PIII if i remember
[12:16] <diddledan> lightning here
[12:16] <Laney> very very frightning?
[12:17] <daftykins> scaramoosh, scaramoosh, will you do the fandango?
[12:17] <daftykins> or something along those lines :>
[12:17]  * diddledan does the fandango
[12:18] <diddledan> lol and gog.com just emailed me as I state that suggesting I preorder grim fandango
[12:19] <daftykins> \o/
[12:19] <daftykins> oh yeah that remake?
[12:19] <diddledan> they called it a "remaster"
[12:21] <diddledan> hell just broke loose
[12:22] <diddledan> or is it hale?
[12:23] <daftykins> hail?
[12:23] <diddledan> yeah, that too
[12:24] <daftykins> i'm glad i was able to put down Lemmings yesterday
[12:24] <diddledan> lol
[12:25] <awilkins> You brute!
[12:25] <daftykins> lol
[12:25] <awilkins> Did you use drugs or just whap them over the head with a shoe?
[12:25] <daftykins> just aimed them at a pier down the harbour here :(
[12:25] <awilkins> "Let's Go!"
[12:26] <awilkins> I think the wee "Urrrgh!" noise they made when they went splat was the best bit of that game
[12:27] <diddledan> I like the nuke button
[12:28] <daftykins> not sure #1 that i have really has that many sounds
[12:30] <awilkins> http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
[12:31] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgDS-16UFA
[12:45] <daftykins> alright that killed long enough
[13:05] <Laney> snow :-o
[13:06] <diddledan> :-o
[13:06] <daftykins> business like showbusiness?
[13:06] <daftykins> whereabouts?
[13:07] <Laney> NG
[13:07] <Laney> supposed to go help someone push his car off his drive later too
[13:08] <daftykins> :S
[13:09] <Laney> not going to settle unless it picks up though
[13:11] <Laney> turning to rain now :<
[13:11] <Laney> #ubuntu-uk-weather-updates
[13:13] <popey> \o/ snow
[13:13] <popey> no snow here
[13:13] <popey> #uksnow
[13:16]  * knightwise waves at SnoPey!
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> snopey... is that the one with the dog with flying goggles on the doghouse?
[13:18] <diddledan> corey doctorow has waded into the "I'm sorry, Dave" debate: http://boingboing.net/2015/01/13/what-david-cameron-just-propos.html
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> no wait... snopey is the one with underpants on head to keep warm :-)
[13:19] <daftykins> that's snoopy (the former)
[13:24] <Laney> he goes around debunking urban legends
[13:43] <diddledan> popey, what was the mono conspiracy? I seem to have missed it
[13:43] <popey> see boycottnovell, techrights etc
[13:44] <popey> also ask directhex ☻
[13:44] <diddledan> oh golly, that sounds like it goes way back then
[13:44] <popey> yeah, it was seen as a way for microsoft to taint the free software desktop
[13:44] <directhex> "mono is an evil plot by microsoft to kill linux". been around since mono started in ~2002, was at its height in ~2007.
[13:44] <popey> people complained bitterly when parts of the free software desktop depended on mono components
[13:44] <popey> like banshee & tomboy
[13:45] <diddledan> aah yes
[13:46] <diddledan> thing is .netish (c#) is actually quite nice to code for
[13:46] <diddledan> I miss mono from ubuntu stock installs
[13:46] <diddledan> I liked that it used to be ootb
[13:47]  * directhex continues work on shipping 3.12
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> every time you ship mono you just made stallman sad :-)
[14:03] <ali1234> banshee somehow managed to be even more buggy and slow than rhythmbox, which is quite an achievement
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> when you consider how flaky itunes can be they're just copying the market leader
[14:08] <diddledan> when it worked, banshee was pretty good, though do I recall it had memory issues with large libraries?
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> that seem to be the one that makes them all buckle.  fine with a gig or two. keel over and die when you point it at 3-4tb collection
[14:39] <awilkins> Virginmedia came! Nice engineer man replaced my modem and upgraded my ageing infrastructure!
[14:39] <awilkins> Fixed my horrible power levels!
[14:39] <diddledan> yey
[14:39] <awilkins> Still got only 20% of the bandwidth!
[14:39] <diddledan> boo
[14:39] <awilkins> Network issue
[14:40] <diddledan> some network engineers know their stuff, others are complete idiots
[14:40] <zmoylan-pi> they can usually find the right end of screwdriver with 2 attempts... usually :-)
[14:40] <diddledan> it seems to be a lottery as to which kind you get on any callout
[14:41] <zmoylan-pi> the good ones get better job offers
[14:43] <daftykins> awilkins: still suck at 22 then? ouch
[14:43] <awilkins> Well. It's bad compared to what I should get
[14:43] <awilkins> It's still the fastest I've ever had
[14:43] <awilkins> And quite acceptable really
[14:43] <diddledan> a far cry from the 100 you're promised tho
[14:44] <awilkins> I think my first upgrade was from a 56kbit/s modem to 256kbit/s cable
[14:44] <awilkins> I can download a 10GB game in less than 2 hours
[14:44] <awilkins> That's pretty awesome
[14:46] <diddledan> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7PNF06IcAEjMCB.jpg:large
[14:48] <diddledan> bbc says americans are going back to huge engines again
[14:48] <awilkins> Cheap oil
[14:48] <diddledan> the car co.s seem to be saying they're green(er than they used to be)
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> cheap petrol for 5 minutes.  but a suv!!!
[14:49] <awilkins> It's a plot by those evil A-rabs
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> *buy
[14:49] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, This guy was just a wires and stuff engineer
[14:51] <daftykins> awilkins: did the engineer outright state it was probably a bad region for speeds, or similar?
[14:51] <daftykins> or like, a regional network issue
[14:52] <awilkins> daftykins, Not specifically, but he wasn't disagreeing with my opinion that there are a lot of torrenters around here
[14:52] <daftykins> doh
[14:52] <awilkins> Last time we had network issues the local router didn't have enough RAM and CPU to cope with all the TCP sessions.
[14:52] <awilkins> Was getting ping times for 1 hop of 150ms +
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> then they would show up as they start and stop torrenting usually at night
[14:53] <awilkins> I have a 100Mbit/s switch inside the modem
[14:53] <daftykins> yeah you'd surely get a good time of day
[14:53] <awilkins> Just have 20Mbit/s regular as clockwork mostly
[14:54] <awilkins> I might just put the desktop on it "naked" for a while and see if that helps
[14:55] <awilkins> But even accounting for having 100Mbit/s switch in the way, 20Mbit/s is too slow
[14:55] <daftykins> indeed
[14:59] <ThomasRedstone> Hello, I'm running 14.10.1 on a Gen 3 i5 laptop, with 12GB of RAM and a fairly modern SSD, but I get occasional slowdowns, and sometimes even full freezes, during the slowdowns I've been able to confirm I've still got 3GB of RAM free, any suggestions on how I could begin to troubleshoot?
[15:03] <diddledan> ThomasRedstone, see if any processes are in io-wait while frozen or whether the cpu is maxxed out and by what
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> a full partition?
[15:07] <ThomasRedstone> I'll keep an eye out for that diddledan next time it happens, zmoylan-pi, plenty of disk free (50GB or so)
[15:11] <daftykins> utopic has a .1 already?
[15:22] <ThomasRedstone> Made me question myself for a second there daftykins, but it's true!: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :-)
[15:23] <daftykins> 14.04.1 yeah - but you'd said 14.10.1 :>
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> he's just popped back to give himself some lottery numbers :-)
[15:25] <daftykins> ThomasRedstone: i am pleased you chose LTS, if so!
[15:25] <ThomasRedstone> I did didn't I? I got my versions in a muddle I guess!
[15:26] <ubc> I try sticking with LTS, but the latest release is always best for me
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> stardate 1210421.2 preparing for the installation of 15.04...
[15:27] <ubc> more like 15.01
[15:27] <ubc> Dev builds seem to break for me though.
[15:27] <daftykins> ubc: how come newest works best for you? dev work?
[15:28] <ThomasRedstone> oh, I do have 14.04.1 LTS, I thought I'd upgraded, but thinking about it, I don't think I will...
[15:28] <ubc> With dev builds, things seem too unstable, eg sound broke for me once, plus PPAs are usually not updated untill release.
[15:29] <awilkins> Been using 14.10 on the laptop
[15:29] <awilkins> Only thing that's annoyed me is that the Oracle builds of MySQL Workbench are broken
[15:30] <awilkins> Because someone changed the APIs on GTK
[15:30] <ubc> However, I often partially mess up installs with tweaking after a few mounts, so a reinstall twice a year is useful.
[15:30] <ubc> Gnome updates breaking things get annoying
[15:34] <ubc> but at least the Gnome devs are onto improving things now, not removing features in the name of simplicity.
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> the lynch mobs outside probably helped their concentration :-P
[15:39] <ubc> That sort of thing would distract me
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> they say an execution concentrates the mind...
[15:39] <ubc> That sort of thing would distract me
[15:40] <ThomasRedstone> yeah, I'm work really, really badly when I'm being executed!
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> there'll be balloons and t-shirts
[15:40] <diddledan> tea?
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> if you want
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> with... chocolate hobnobs
[15:41] <diddledan> mm, choccy nobnob
[15:41] <ubc> are you two in approximately the same physical location
[15:41] <zmoylan-pi> dublin ireland o/
[15:41] <diddledan> europe?
[15:41] <ubc> about tea
[15:42] <ubc> you can't send it over the internet
[15:42] <diddledan> I'm only about 4-600 miles from zmoylan-pi (guess)
[15:42] <ThomasRedstone> Aren't we in the UK Ubuntu group? So shouldn't we all be 'approximately' in the same location?
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> i'm irish, i have relatives and friends everywhere.  i can make 1-2 calls tops :-P
[15:42] <ubc> true
[15:42] <ubc> I was thinking the same building
[15:42] <ubc> nvm
[15:43] <diddledan> ThomasRedstone, you'dathunk
[15:43] <diddledan> ThomasRedstone, cept m0nkey_ left us for bloomin canukland
[15:44] <diddledan> and mapps is down the bum of spain
[15:44] <diddledan> I think czajkowski is over in the states right now, too (not sure where she harks from usually tho)
[15:45] <diddledan> hmm, I've broken a drupal
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> originally from limerick now residing in uk
[15:47] <diddledan> ooh, popey doing a webcast in 15 at ubuntuonair \o/ (yey for me actually spotting the announcement for once)
[15:47] <ThomasRedstone> Doh, just realised I'm *not* on 14.04! I ran the command on a server instead, I really am on 14.10!
[15:48] <diddledan> lmao
[15:48] <ThomasRedstone> So *mostly* UK diddledan :-)
[15:48] <diddledan> that's the kinda thing we all do
[15:48] <daftykins> XD
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> the sun never rises on the uk channel :-)
[15:48] <diddledan> daftykins is french, ThomasRedstone , so you're free to ignore him out of spite :-p
[15:48] <ThomasRedstone> at least my servers run LTS :-P
[15:49] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, nighttime ftw
[15:49] <daftykins> i'm not french :(
[15:49] <daftykins> rude sir! rude!
[15:49] <diddledan> teehee
[15:49] <ThomasRedstone> although my love of crazy technologies like HHVM may mean upgrading a little early...
[15:49] <diddledan> daftykins, you're close enough you can spit at them in the eye tho
[15:50] <daftykins> but i don't! instead we quarrel endlessly over fishing waters
[15:50] <diddledan> at least they're not as bad as the Spaniards over fishing rights
[15:51] <diddledan> those spanish like plundering the british "north sea"
[15:51] <diddledan> ThomasRedstone, I had issues with hhvm
[15:51] <diddledan> ThomasRedstone, it kept dying
[15:51] <diddledan> something about running out of space depite having oodles of rams
[15:52] <diddledan> I forget now
[16:00] <diddledan> vim is funky
[16:03] <ThomasRedstone> was that quite recent diddledan? I've not had any trouble with it, and I've been using it in production (I live dangerously! ;-P)
[16:04] <diddledan> several months ago now
[16:04] <ThomasRedstone> I keep on promising myself to really try and *get* vim, but it never quite works out, it may have improved since, I think the version I'm using is 3 months old, but I may be wrong
[16:05] <awilkins> Helps if you can get vim keybindings for your chosen IDEs
[16:05] <diddledan> I just discovered ":set paste"
[16:05] <zmoylan-pi> or code like a proper coder in vim :-)
[16:05] <awilkins> There's vrapper for Eclipse and Komodo IDE has a Vi binding
[16:06] <awilkins> If NeoVim manages to do things properly a lot of things can basically become Vim with a new face
[16:06] <awilkins> I consider myself a Vim novice
[16:07] <awilkins> I can do some of the basics fluently but I'm no power user
[16:07] <zmoylan-pi> even vim experts consider themselves vim novices when they press the wrong key :-)
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> and the most random text is to put a newbie down in front of vim and ask them to exit the program :-D
[16:08] <diddledan> I wonder what gvim is like for more ide-like functionality that is usually reserved for "more-than text editor"s
[16:09] <diddledan> I know you can get autocomplete in textmode vim for some things
[16:43] <czajkowski> diddledan: sup? in Mountain view
[16:43] <diddledan> czajkowski, ello :-)
[16:46] <bashrc_> can you view any mountains?
[16:46] <czajkowski> yes
[16:46]  * zmoylan-pi looks out window and wonders if czajkowski is planning a trip home or something :-P
[16:52] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: nope
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> just it's the perfect weather, storms, snow, wind... :-)
[16:53] <bashrc_> are you in the Googleplex?
[17:02] <ThomasRedstone> We've got some nice stormy weather here, and now, of all times, I've decided that I'd like go go and walk up some mountains in Wales, maybe next weekend...
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> you'll be grand if you wear a bobble hat :-)
[17:05]  * diddledan plays with the bobble
[17:21] <davmor2> ThomasRedstone: if you install vim and then run vimtutor that gets you used to some of the options quite quickly :)
[17:34] <ThomasRedstone> yeah, I know *some*, just no where near as much as I know how to do in Sublime, Netbeans, and Notepad++...
[17:39] <ThomasRedstone> anyway, I best be off, may be back later though
[18:08] <Myrtti> I love soldering ♥
[18:18] <awilkins> Daughter likes soldering too. Poking things with a hot iron and getting a curl of smoke and a shiny metal joint sticking things together is super magic fun.
[18:32] <diddledan> awilkins, until she drops it on your foot
[18:35] <ali1234> watch out for the fumes too
[18:38] <diddledan> solder is cleaner than it was due to EU regs several years ago
[18:38] <diddledan> removing lead I believe it was
[18:39] <diddledan> means solder is less usable than before, tho
[18:39] <ali1234> the fumes are still pretty bad though, it's mainly from the flux i think
[18:39] <diddledan> something about the lead in the mix made it easier to work with IIRC
[18:39] <diddledan> maybe lower melting point
[18:39] <ali1234> it lowers the melting point
[18:40] <ali1234> you can still buy lead solder btw
[18:40] <diddledan> I seem to recall dad explaining that it's very difficult to work with ICs in combo with the lead-free solder because the melting point is high enough to ruin the chip
[18:40] <ali1234> it's way easier to work with
[18:41] <ali1234> well, the melting point isn't that much higher
[18:42] <ali1234> it's mainly just that it doesn't flow as clean because the whole recipe of everything is different
[18:43] <Azelphur> ordered a laptop from mysn and they went out of stock of the processor I ordered, so they gave me a free CPU upgrade \o/
[18:43] <Azelphur> this is like bank error in your favour, only better.
[18:43] <diddledan> noice
[18:44] <Azelphur> and it arrives tomorrow *excited \o/
[20:27] <diddledan> time for a quickie nap methinks
[20:32] <daftykins> hehe, i'll bet you're the only one whose routine compares to my messed up one
[20:34] <shauno> then you're doing it wrong :)  if you don't have a routine, you can't break it :)
[20:36] <daftykins> i actually sorted mine out and woke up at 8am today, solely to go to the doctor
[20:37] <shauno> heh .. I Went to bed at 9am this morning.  but I"m blaming civ5 for that
[20:38] <shauno> multiplayer games take *days*
[20:38] <daftykins> O_O
[20:45] <DJones> If you get an error during an update, where does the error message get recorded, which log file
[21:11] <mapps> well wasnt bad..mcdonalds for dinner
[21:11] <mapps> :D
[21:11] <mapps> its right outside my apartment lol ...manage to not go often tho
[21:18] <DJones> After installing updates today via update manager, an error was flagged up, the term.log is http://paste.ubuntu.com/9735153/ with the error shown on line 62 specifically, "Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.16.0-29-generic (x86_64)" this is on 14.10 with nvidia-prime installed, is the error something to worry about
[21:27] <daftykins> DJones: you're running a way newer kernel though, right?
[21:27] <daftykins> or is -29 current?
[21:28] <DJones> uname -r shows 3.16.0-28-generic
[21:28] <DJones> I've not rebooted since the error yet
[21:28] <daftykins> oh but -29 just got installed, i just read your log
[21:28] <daftykins> looks like the nvidia driver will fail to function on reboot then - you might have to provoke dkms to rebuild the module to see if it'll work on a subsequent try
[21:29] <daftykins> that'll be serious if nouveau doesn't work on your hardware
[21:29] <DJones> I can always switch to intel before reboot
[21:30] <daftykins> unfortunately i don't have a clue with DKMS so i'd just be googling for how to rebuild
[21:31] <DJones> That looks easy http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Rebuild-Nvidia-Driver-s-Kernel-Module-Using-DKMS-317887.shtml
[21:31] <daftykins> huzzah :D
[21:31] <daftykins> though i guess it's nvidia-331 for you and not nvidia-current
[23:28] <thomas1> Hello, ThomasRedstone here... I'm having one of these freezes now, the behaviour is quite odd this time though, my GUI froze, so I switched to tty2, when I switched back to the GUI I was at a guest session, when I try to switch to my own user it goes black for a second, then returns to the guest session, as Freenode says I'm still connected, I'm guessing my session is still live, I just can't connect to
[23:28] <thomas1> it...
[23:28] <thomas1> Weechat is a pretty nice IRC client it seems
[23:32] <thomas1> I'm going to try and use Lynx to troubleshoot... I bet I wouldn't have these problems if I used CLI all the time :-P
[23:43] <ThomasRedstone> okay, just rebooted, I'm going to try Cinnamon instead of Unity, maybe it will be better (certainly looks better :-P)
[23:59] <jgjones> Greetings.