[04:29] <bduk> morning everyone
[06:12] <magespawn> good morning
[06:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[06:13] <octoquad> morning :)
[06:14] <Kilos> morning octoquad  and othersa
[06:14] <Kilos> others too
[06:20] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:21] <Kilos> hi there inetpro  
[06:22] <magespawn> Kilos: that was like other SA, but in shorthand
[06:23] <Kilos> lol
[06:55] <nlsthzn> Goeie more Suid Afrika
[06:56] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  
[06:59] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ?
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:03] <Kilos> im good ty nlsthzn  and you?
[07:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:04] <nlsthzn> always good thanks :)
[07:04] <nlsthzn> got my mom visiting us here in sand land in preparation of the baby arriving in a few weeks :p
[07:04] <Kilos> cool
[07:05] <Kilos> when moms come visit even the food gets better
[07:05] <Kilos> hehe
[07:06] <nlsthzn> web instability >.<
[07:06] <nlsthzn> or perhaps windows instability :/
[07:07] <nlsthzn> 1.2 gb of ram just for firefox >.<
[07:08] <Kilos> whew
[07:14] <nlsthzn> all better again
[07:15] <Kilos> what was wrong
[07:15] <Kilos> and how did you fix it
[07:15] <Kilos> oh ya nlsthzn  you can go add content
[07:15] <Kilos> hehe
[07:16] <Kilos> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-za/bzr-tutorial/view/head:/pages/bazaar-tutorial.rst
[07:17] <nlsthzn> will go have a look in a bit... what is it btw?
[07:19] <Kilos> its our site that being repaired
[07:19] <Kilos> moved to static thing
[07:19] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him
[07:24] <nlsthzn> ah ok
[07:24] <nlsthzn> sounds good :)
[07:25] <Kilos> mazal  wb
[07:25] <Kilos> wat se jy nou
[07:25] <Kilos> welcome to kde land
[07:26] <mazal> Ja uiteindelik ne
[07:26] <mazal> Hou van hom , hy is net bietjie stadig
[07:26] <Kilos> ja dis bietjie swaarder maar kan meer doen
[07:26] <Kilos> oh gaan kyk hier
[07:27] <mazal> Still struggling to learn all the apps
[07:27] <mazal> But going well 
[07:27] <Kilos> http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/
[07:28] <Kilos> took me long to get used to it as well but now its my favourite os
[07:28] <mazal> lol , synaptic was die eerste ding wat ek gedoen het , sien hy is op daai lys ook
[07:30] <mazal> Hmm , interesting things in the link thanx oom
[07:31] <Kilos> ja maar jy mopet daai ekstra pak by sit 
[07:31] <Kilos> die gtk op die einde
[07:32] <Kilos> synaptic is vir my baie beter as software centre
[07:39] <mazal> Wow the quick access thingy is cool :)
[07:43] <nlsthzn> konsole ftw
[07:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:56]  * inetpro fails to see why you need synaptic
[07:56] <Kilos> because it be lekker
[07:57] <Kilos> better than muon package manager too which i see theyve left off
[07:58] <Kilos> it is a bit easier for us not so into cli commands inetpro  
[08:00] <inetpro> what can be easier than cli?
[08:00] <Kilos> pictures
[08:01]  * inetpro never uses muon
[08:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:01] <Kilos> and software centre?
[08:01] <inetpro> ai!
[08:03] <nlsthzn> still feel using terminal the fastest if you know what you want... if not then software center etc. becomes good to show choice
[08:04] <Kilos> its too slow the centre and synaptic shows better
[08:06] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[08:07] <Vince-0> Good morn Kilos
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: A new company has launched MTN data SIM cards which offer unlimited data for R149 per month http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/116726-r149-uncapped-mobile-data-sim-launched.html
[08:09] <Kilos> oh my
[08:10] <Kilos> @ 2mb/week i spose
[08:10] <Kilos> will look into it though
[08:11] <Kilos> they might have even gone lte here in the time ive been away
[08:19] <Kilos> wow inetpro  further down
[08:19] <Kilos> He said they are planning to launch a similar service through Telkom Mobile, which will include unlimited mobile data, R50 airtime, and 10GB Wi-Fi access for R149 per month.
[08:22] <Kilos> so where does one get this new sim?
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.datasim.co.za/product.html
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> no youtube allowed is 1 down side already for me
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> and no detailed list on their site about exactly what they block
[08:42]  * inetpro likes the idea of unlimited with no youtube
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wonder if that sim would support me connecting to my openvpn server at home :D
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <Kilos> i dont use youtube anyway
[08:43] <inetpro> they will probably block all forms of video
[08:43] <Kilos> tara has to get stuff for me there and email it to me
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i can connect to openvpn then they can't block anything, they have no idea what i'm doing over an encrypted VPN :)
[08:44] <inetpro> yep, not sure how sustainable it will be because people will find ways around it
[08:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:45] <Kilos> skelms
[08:45] <inetpro> sad reality is that video is killing our limited bandwidth
[08:46] <Kilos> i dunno how they can sell it online though, what about all the rica rigmarole
[08:46] <inetpro> and there is a definite need for interwebs without video
[08:48] <inetpro> guess the only way is for bandwidth to cater for full video capabilities, bandwidth pricing simply has to come down
[08:55] <magespawn> they will have a fair usage policy on that
[09:02] <Kilos> inetpro  with that kinda uncapped we can play minetest again
[09:03] <Kilos> will be more expensive for me though, as i now use a 2+1 for 2 months
[09:35] <Kilos> inetpro  why you think they made synaptic and muon and software centre?
[09:35] <Kilos> lemme tell you
[09:35] <Kilos> for peeps that say whats sudo
[09:36] <Kilos> and many others too
[09:39]  * Kilos making lice to go with my cully
[09:41] <inetpro> Kilos: you know sudo and you know aptitude, what more do you need to know?
[09:42] <Kilos> lol the rest that goes with it
[09:42] <mazal> I mostly use synaptic when I can't remember the package name
[09:42] <Kilos> aptitude instaal ?? is no good
[09:42] <mazal> Then cli is not an option , gotta go find the name first
[09:42] <Kilos> gotta know what you want to install
[09:42] <Kilos> synaptic rocks
[09:43] <mazal> I remember about 70% of them on a fresh install , but there is always a few that I forget
[09:43] <Kilos> lol
[09:44] <Kilos> first he nagged me for a few years to use kde now hes pushing cli all the time
[09:44] <Kilos> sigh
[09:45] <mazal> And , once two days ago cli didn't see the package even though I put the correct name
[09:45] <mazal> Then synaptic does the trick
[09:46] <Kilos> yip
[09:46] <Kilos> you gotta get the name exact
[09:52] <Kilos> he just sits and smirks. when i was all for gnome he nagged and since then nothing has changed
[09:52] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[09:56] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you want some cheese with that whine? :p
[10:15] <Kilos> hee eee
[10:16] <Kilos> i like to rev the pro at times
[10:16] <Kilos> gussie strydom
[10:17] <inetpro> aptitude search rocks
[10:19] <inetpro> aptitude Search Term Reference http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
[10:20] <Kilos> ai!
[10:25] <Kilos> mazal  that link was for you
[10:50] <mazal> Tried that now , doesn't work
[10:51] <mazal> Probably my syntex is wrong
[10:51] <inetpro> aptitude search '~ifirefox'
[10:52] <inetpro> that will search for all installed packages with firefox in the name 
[10:52] <mazal> But how do you see one that is not installed , cos that's where the problem usually comes
[10:54] <inetpro> aptitude search '!~ifirefox'
[10:54] <mazal> The ! is the difference yes ?
[10:54] <inetpro> yep
[10:56] <mazal> Ok I see i and p infront of results. I assume i = installed and p = available but not installed ?
[10:57] <inetpro> yep
[10:58] <mazal> Why does this fail :
[10:58] <mazal> sudo aptitude search '!~ubuntu-desktop'
[10:58] <mazal> E: Unknown pattern type: u
[11:00] <inetpro> because u is not a known pattern type
[11:00] <Trixar_za> Because you need to use !~i before the name?
[11:00] <inetpro> :-)
[11:01] <mazal> By this time already found and finished installing what I wanted in Synaptic
[11:01] <inetpro> haha
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> so different strokes....
[11:03] <Trixar_za> Generally it's the same kind of strokes that get the job done though
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't a job for all of us
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the who does DIY on weekends uses different tools and methods than the guy who's a prefessional joiner
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> *"the guy who"....
[11:05] <Trixar_za> Hey now, women of negotiable affection need to make a living
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> a person who does DIY on weekends uses different tools and methods than a person who's a prefessional joiner
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy now Captain Political Correctness? :-P
[11:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:11] <inetpro> now even mage[tab] left
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> phew between a local mirror and an SSD installing updates is insanely quick
[11:57]  * inetpro wants to set up a local mirror
[11:58] <Kilos> where
[11:58] <Kilos> home or work
[11:58] <inetpro> not sure whether it's worth it though, irrelevant packages change way too often
[11:58] <inetpro> Kilos: definitely not at home
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> we run debian mirrors in cpt and jhb so we can point our customers' servers there
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> and i point my laptop to it
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> so updates are work are a breeze
[12:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:07] <inetpro> hope we don't get more loadshedding
[12:07] <inetpro> we just experienced a bit of a dip here in Hatfield
[12:09] <mazal> Things are looking bad for us is something doesn't happen quick
[12:10] <mazal> I don't even want to read news anymore
[12:12] <inetpro> Power Alert: Electricity supply is under severe pressure.... Please continue to keep off all geysers, appliances, stoves and most lights.
[12:13] <mazal> Apparently they are bankrupt and can only go until February. They say that currently if something breaks at a plant it will take at least 2 weeks to fix. 2 WEEKS without power !!
[12:52] <Kilos> ai!
[13:00] <Kilos> inetpro  build a mirror on a portable external man
[13:04] <Kilos> Maaz  620/19
[13:04] <Maaz> Kilos: 32.6315789474
[13:54] <inetpro> Kilos: they should allow you to get an updated mirror on at a public Freedom Toaster kiosk 
[13:54]  * inetpro wonders whether these kiosks are even still around
[13:57] <Kilos> i think those toasters all crashed because of no maitenance
[13:59] <Kilos> remember that guy used to maintain the pta one
[13:59] <Kilos> the guy that gave me the repos for 8.10 i think
[13:59] <Kilos> \or 9.04
[13:59] <Kilos> not wasbeer?
[14:01] <Kilos> walter leibrandt
[17:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:21] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:21]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:34] <Kilos> evening nlsthzn  
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[17:34] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[17:34] <nlsthzn> o/
[18:00] <captine> evening all
[18:06] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:31] <magespawn> good evening
[18:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:59] <octoquad> lol I forgot about Maaz
[18:59] <octoquad> Maaz hello!
[18:59] <Maaz> Sup octoquad
[18:59] <octoquad> :)
[19:04] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos http://ubuntu-za.snyman.info/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:19] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:25] <magespawn> good evening again
[19:28] <octoquad> evening
[19:44] <magespawn> hey octoquad whats up/
[19:44] <magespawn> ?
[20:14] <octoquad> hey
[20:15] <octoquad> :(
[20:16] <superfly> hi octoquad
[20:42] <octoquad> hey superfly 
[20:49]  * superfly is busy installing Windows stuff in WINE on a remote server with no X
[20:57] <octoquad> superfly, sounds like fun
[20:59] <superfly> not difficult, just painfully slow
[20:59] <superfly> ssh -X