[03:12] <archetech> daily repo unstable  14.10   all white screen aft update
[03:45] <valorie> archetech: you are using this for testing purposes?
[03:53] <archetech> yes
[03:54] <archetech> ill wait a day and update  
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[08:41] <sitter> I really really do hate mailing lists
[08:41] <sitter> in fact, I actually hate mailman, not the mailing lists fault
[08:44] <Pali> sitter: whats wrong with mailman?
[08:44] <sitter> the fact that I cannot set mail aliases
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:20] <Riddell> hola
[09:20] <Riddell> sitter: there's no such thing as a good mailing list, it's impossible to do
[09:21] <sitter> http://www.discourse.org
[09:23] <davmor2> Riddell: open you own mailing list and open it to only yourself then it's a list that always makes sense........unless the other you joins and starts arguments
[09:25] <Riddell> davmor2: but then some spambot will discover it and start spamming it and I'll have to approve or reject the spam
[09:26] <davmor2> Riddell: auto reject anything that isn't from you done
[09:27] <Riddell> I do that with all my mailing lists but then I get some employer saying I need to use my company e-mail address and suddently I can't post either
[09:28] <Riddell> which is harald's point about aliases
[09:29] <davmor2> Riddell: :)
[09:29] <Riddell> the other trouble with mailing lists is non-geeks don't even know what they're called.  they call them listservs for some reason or yahoo groups (even when not on yahoo) or mail groups. just the problem of any setup that has e-mail as an interface, like debian bug tracker it's horribly confusing
[09:31] <sitter> let's get a discourse and be done with it :P
[09:31] <Riddell> sitter: that looks like just a web forum, does it do e-mail?
[09:32] <sitter> the real problem is that there's a big divide between users and developers, in fact looking at kde even designers and developers as developers or very techy people use mailing lists and everyone else uses forums in some form or fashion
[09:32] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[09:32] <sitter> Riddell: it's a web forum, it is a web forum that isn't designed with the 90's paradigm of what a web forum looks like though
[09:33] <sitter> alas, it does have pretty serious hardware requirements
[09:34] <sitter> Riddell: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/
[09:34] <Riddell> that's canonical's argument with mailman too, the mailing list archives need a whole server all to themselves
[09:34] <sitter> well, there's a lot of lists
[09:35] <sitter> oh noes, there is a bug in my stable integration logic
[09:36]  * sitter runs around like a mad chicken
[09:36] <Riddell> sitter: what happens if I commit now to kubuntu_vivid_archive ?  will it get magically merged into kubuntu_stable and that magically merged into kubuntu_unstable ?
[09:36] <sitter> Riddell: please don't :P
[09:36] <sitter> but yes
[09:36] <sitter> see mail
[09:37] <sitter> in fact
[09:37] <sitter> Riddell: please hold of on commits if you can help it
[09:37] <Riddell> tsdgeos: calligra uploaded so hopefully a new version can transition today to vivid
[09:37] <tsdgeos> Riddell: oki tx
[09:37] <sitter> I'd like to get a stable integration going before we proceed
[09:42] <sitter> meh
[09:42] <sitter> this will require additional refactoring to Project creation -.-
[10:01] <Riddell> sitter: okteta is ok to push?
[10:01] <sitter> yeah
[10:07] <sitter> actually
[10:07] <sitter> Riddell: isn't okteta ported to kf5?
[10:07]  * sitter seems to remember something
[10:07] <Riddell> sitter: it is
[10:07] <sitter> probably should be integrated then :P
[10:23] <_Groo_> good morning
[10:25] <Riddell> hi _Groo_ baby
[10:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey hey Riddell 
[10:27] <_Groo_> Riddell: could you be a peach and fix plasma-desktop build in si? it failed to build for amd64 yesterday and im back on unity :(
[10:27] <_Groo_> Riddell: missed kwin dependency
[10:28] <alket> good morning
[10:29] <Riddell> hi alket 
[10:30] <Riddell> _Groo_: hmm, well I hope to start packaging plasma beta today
[10:30] <Riddell> so I guess that'll fix it
[10:30] <_Groo_> nice :D
[10:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: but i believe it was a case of missing dependency, i didnt check but aparently plasma-desktop tried to build before kwin-data was ready
[10:31] <_Groo_> Riddell: might be a case of a simple retry build
[10:31] <_Groo_> are you gonna backport bluez5?
[10:31] <sitter> Riddell: unless you bumped versions in the Plasma/5.2 branch you can simply fix these http://kci.pangea.pub/view/utopic_stable/ then merge that into archive and you got your beta packaging
[10:32]  * sitter going to fix them momentarily anyway tho
[10:32] <sitter> once I got more coffee
[10:32] <sitter> kubotu: order a bucket of coffee
[10:32]  * kubotu slides a bucket of coffee down the bar to sitter
[10:35] <_Groo_> kubotu gets us coffee???oO now, thats a useful bot!
[10:35]  * _Groo_ pats kubotu in the back...nice nice bot..
[10:39] <sitter> kubotu: botsnack
[10:39] <kubotu> sitter: cheers
[10:40] <sitter> Riddell: what to do with those? http://kci.pangea.pub/view/utopic_stable/job/utopic_stable_breeze/1/parsed_console/job/utopic_stable_breeze/1/parsed_console/log_content.html#INFO1 
[10:41] <sitter> new package or drop them in with the regular cursor package
[10:45] <Riddell> sitter: depends on size?
[10:46] <Riddell> 6MB says d_ed so best split it
[10:46] <sitter> 5,9M    .
[10:46] <sitter> that's uncompressed tho
[10:46] <Riddell> so best split it says me, d_ed has as yet no opinion
[10:47] <sitter> Riddell: 94K with xz-9
[10:47] <sitter> Riddell: they should be pulled in through breeze anyway though
[10:47] <sitter> otherwise we are withholding lovelyness
[10:47] <Riddell> lovelyness that isn't on by default
[10:48] <sitter> it's in the default package though :P
[10:48] <sitter> cursor theme packaging doesn't setup x-default-cursor-theme alternative btw
[10:48] <sitter> or what the alternative is called
[10:48] <Riddell> ok don't split it then
[10:48] <sitter> pft
[10:48] <sitter> make up your mind :P
[10:49] <sitter> I am just stating thoughts here
[10:49] <Riddell> me too
[10:50] <Riddell> certain upstreams get pissed off when we split things out so might be nice to keep them happy
[10:50] <_Groo_> are you guys talking about the new cursors in breeze?
[10:51] <sitter> _Groo_: yes
[10:51] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[10:52] <_Groo_> nice, i will use breeze white, :D
[10:52] <_Groo_> btw after 2 days with bluez5 backport i can honestly say i didnt had one single problem
[10:52] <_Groo_> that includes pulseauudio
[10:52] <_Groo_> not that i can use myself as a data sample but still
[10:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: do you have some bluetooth audio device?
[10:53] <_Groo_> less scary
[10:53] <_Groo_> yep, tested on 3
[10:53] <_Groo_> an iluve
[10:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: what do you have?
[10:53] <_Groo_> 2 android phones
[10:53] <_Groo_> 1 pebble watch
[10:53] <_Groo_> all worked
[10:53] <_Groo_> transparently i might add
[10:53] <_Groo_> just like the old bluez
[10:53] <_Groo_> new bluez just like old bluez
[10:54] <_Groo_> that includes gstreamer too
[10:54] <Riddell> what do these devices do over bluetooth?
[10:54] <_Groo_> audio, file sharing, tethering
[10:55] <_Groo_> including a2dp and hfp
[10:55] <_Groo_> even shows in systemsettings / audio settings :)
[10:56] <_Groo_> status bar works, device scanning works
[10:56] <_Groo_> file transfer works
[10:56] <_Groo_> pan and obex works
[10:56] <_Groo_> although pan is still hit or miss depending on the device
[10:57] <_Groo_> but thats a bluetooth shortcoming not a bluez one
[10:57] <Riddell> I feel like I don't know how to use gadgets
[11:02] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nice blog post about the t-shirts
[11:02] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: are they being posted off to andreas?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'm trying to
[11:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what's the status?
[11:18] <ovidiu-florin> the world is upside down
[11:20] <ovidiu-florin> DHL cost: 356 € to ship directly
[11:20] <ovidiu-florin> ATLASIB cost: 18 € to ship to Dortmuld, and then get someone from  Dortmund to ship to Paderborn to Andreas.
[11:20] <ovidiu-florin> ATLASSIB*
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> and I can ship max 18 Kg with ATLASSIB
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> the package is 2 KG
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> 20*
[11:22] <ovidiu-florin> I can take 2KG in my luggage
[11:22] <Riddell> so take it in your luggage?
[11:23] <ovidiu-florin> just a few T-shirts, to limit to 18Kg
[11:23] <Riddell> buy some extra luggage capacity?
[11:23] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to get in touch with a few friend from Dortmund
[11:23] <ovidiu-florin> for me?
[11:23] <ovidiu-florin> and carry them there myself?
[11:26] <ovidiu-florin> that seems like a lot of luggage
[11:26] <Riddell> if that's the cheapest and easiest way then that's the thing to do
[11:29] <sitter> 356 with DHL  wut :O
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> it's ~17€ to get it as luggage on Wizz Air
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> but I'll have to carry it from the airport
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> could someone come and help me?
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> met me at the airport there?
[11:34] <ovidiu-florin> meet*
[11:35] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: get a taxi
[11:35] <Riddell> and keep the receipt to claim off kde gb
[12:12] <Sick_Rimmit> Good day folks
[12:18] <Riddell> hola Sick_Rimmit 
[12:18] <Riddell> feeling confident?
[12:29] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hello
[12:30] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yes, I'm always confident that it will either work or it will not
[12:31] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I'm pulling that artwork together, and planning printing, I plan to expense the cost to Kubuntu Community fund for FOSDEM materials. Do you concur ?
[12:32] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: yep great
[12:32] <Sick_Rimmit> Excellent, I really like the idea of Stickers too, I think it is very good to have something that people can take away
[12:33] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm excited about this evening, I really hope I make the grade :-)
[13:10] <lordievader> Hey Sick_Rimmit 
[13:16] <sgclark> morning
[13:17] <Riddell> hi lordievader, sgclark 
[13:17] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, sgclark. How are you two doing?
[13:17] <soee> hi all :D
[13:17] <sgclark> recovering from a terrible flu
[13:18]  * Riddell hugs sgclark 
[13:19] <Riddell> but not too closely, that would be dangerous for spreading viruses
[13:19] <lordievader> Blegh, flu. Those things ain't nice.
[13:19] <sgclark> yeah :( 
[13:52]  * Riddell uploads plasma beta to staging
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ready for testing on the 22nd >
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:03] <Riddell> BluesKaj: why? what happens on the 22nd?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I was under the impression that's when plsama 5.2 was going to be released 
[14:04]  * Riddell does 5th upload of calligra today
[14:05] <BluesKaj> for testing 
[14:06] <Sick_Rimmit> and as I was saying before I dropped off the netowrk
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ok , switching over to the laptop and 15.04
[14:07] <Sick_Rimmit> He has requested a new Ubuntu Server for our Jenkins CI project..
[14:07] <Sick_Rimmit> Now, that's a results
[14:17] <soee> Riddell: why staging has dependency to Kubuntu Backports ?
[14:17] <soee> also P5 beta does not require QT 5.4 ?
[14:17] <Riddell> soee: not for anything current
[14:18] <Riddell> plasma 5 does not require qt 5.4 but includes some fixes that only work with 5.4 so we have a suboptimal build for vivid
[14:19] <soee> ok good to know, thank you
[14:31] <shadeslayer> sitter: any clue how to fix 
[14:31] <shadeslayer> lxc-start: start.c: print_top_failing_dir: 102 Permission denied - could not access /home/shadeslayer.  Please grant it 'x' access, or add an ACL for the container root.
[14:32] <shadeslayer> sitter: I was following https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html#lxc-unpriv
[14:33] <sitter> I forgot again
[14:33] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:33] <sitter> chmod +x on your home
[14:33] <sitter> and or your lxc dir I think
[14:34] <sitter> thats what stgraber said anyway, didn't work for me on trusty though, I had to do more weird things
[14:34] <sitter> ah yeah, I also have different maps
[14:34] <sitter> lxc.id_map = u 0 1000 1
[14:34] <sitter> lxc.id_map = g 0 1000 1
[14:34] <sitter> lxc.id_map = u 1 100000 65536
[14:34] <sitter> lxc.id_map = g 1 100000 65536
[14:35] <sitter> that is map container uid 0 to host uid 1000
[14:35] <shadeslayer> lxc-start: conf.c: mk_devtmpfs: 1181 Permission denied - Unable to create /dev/.lxc for autodev
[14:35] <shadeslayer> \
[14:35] <sitter> same for groups
[14:35] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:35] <shadeslayer> though I chmod +x'd the entire ~/.local/share/lxc dir
[14:35] <sitter> and then map container uid 1 to host uid 100000 as well as 65536 subsequent uids
[14:35] <sitter> same for groups
[14:36] <sitter> shadeslayer: you'll really want to talk to stgraber for this
[14:36] <sitter> I found it all very tircky to do
[14:36] <shadeslayer> my ~/.local/share is fucked
[14:36] <shadeslayer> funsies
[14:36] <shadeslayer> sitter: kk
[14:36] <sitter> in fact I haven't managed to replicate it on my utopic worksation xD
[14:37] <sitter> I think
[14:37] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:37] <shadeslayer> lxc is fun fun fun
[14:37] <sitter> ah no it works
[14:37] <sitter> well, the only important thing I noticed is the more precise mapping
[14:38] <sitter> if you map the first subuid/gid for container uid/gid 0 then things have weird side effects
[14:38] <sitter> so I'd go with the specifically mapping 0 to your actual primary ids
[14:39] <sitter> e.g. I seem to recall that file permissions were getting weird if one doesn't have this set, as the containers would be owned by the subuid and some tools have problems with supporting subuids so thigns fall over left and right
[14:44] <Riddell> ah, muon needs qca
[14:44] <Riddell> sitter: is your qca tar good to package?
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: some progress on getting stuff into vivid-release but I'm still stuck on kate4/kate and konsole4/konsole, any thoughts on what's happening there?
[14:47] <Riddell> the packages are transitioning but I think everything is transitioned
[14:49] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[14:49] <Riddell> sitter: and shall I scrap your upload which had dual qt4/5 builds https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qca2/2.1.0-0ubuntu1 ?
[14:49] <sitter> Riddell: you can just replace the existing one with that
[14:50] <Riddell> sitter: replace what with what?
[14:50] <sitter> qca-qt5
[14:50] <sitter> qca-qt5 still builds a completely compatible qt4 version
[14:51] <sitter> don't care much either way, but yeah if you upload it as qca-qt5 and keep the regular qca source for qt4 then you'd have to remove the dualbuild from latter ;)
[15:03] <Riddell> can anyone get this to build? I get test failures http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/qca2_2.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:04] <sitter> Riddell: show fail
[15:06] <sitter> Riddell: maybe needs this -> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=qca.git&a=commit&h=4aae2dee34d2f0f6324a9e7819e29310106dc5bb
[15:10] <Riddell> sitter: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/qca2_2.1.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.build
[15:29] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.95_vivid.html  hmm not too bad
[15:33] <sitter> why is there stuff red :@
[15:34] <sitter> the warnings supposedly do make sense as CI hasn't been building plasma on vivid for at least a week
[15:34] <sitter> Riddell: next time let's try to get it all green right away :P
[15:34] <Riddell> sitter: well baloo and kfilemeta data are because of the different version number
[15:34] <Riddell> so that's a fault in the kubuntu-ppa-build-status script
[15:34] <sitter> mh
[15:35] <sitter> not necessarily
[15:35] <Riddell> breeze has missing language files in the .deb, but those .po files aren't in the git checkout so kubuntu ci wouldn't be likely to know about them
[15:35] <sitter> might just be that this sort of issue goes away once we start autogenerating bdeps from the dependency data fetched off of build.kde
[15:36] <sitter> and the localization we can fix by using tarme to generate the tars, which is pretty achievable now that I fixed the project parsing logic
[15:38] <Riddell> oh and calligra failed again
[15:38] <Riddell> ho hum
[15:40] <sitter> Riddell: about qca... does that also happen in a ppa?
[15:40] <Riddell> not tried yet
[15:41] <sitter> I'd suggest doing that
[15:41] <sitter> FAIL!  : CertUnitTest::crl2() Compared values are not the same
[15:41] <sitter>    Actual (crl1.thisUpdate()): 2001/04/19 14:57:20.000[local time]
[15:41] <sitter>    Expected (QDateTime(QDate(2001, 4, 19), QTime(14, 57, 20), Qt::UTC)): 2001/04/19 14:57:20.000[UTC]
[15:41] <sitter> this is super odd
[15:41]  * Riddell throws it up
[15:46] <sitter> merger should be completely working again, it now does always do a full merge proceedure, which takes slightly longer and will possibly result in temporary bogus whining when one pushes in quick succession to different branches, otoh it does make sure that all changes are properly propagated to all target branches
[15:47] <sitter> i.e. more reliable all in all
[15:50] <Riddell> awooga
[15:57] <Riddell> sitter: qca2 builds fine in my PPA.  spooky
[15:57] <shadeslayer> do any of you know how to make sure a package can't be removed from a system? Apart from marking it as essential
[15:58] <Riddell> make something else depend on it?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> any other suggestions?
[15:58] <sitter> Riddell: probably bad test mocking that is influenced by your environment in some form or fashion
[15:59] <shadeslayer> some way to hold it, but not holding it to a specific version
[16:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: make it depend on a meta package of a specific version, hold that version of meta package?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> I'd rather not have hold's holding back upgrades
[16:00] <shadeslayer> but eh
[16:00] <shadeslayer> I can't think of a better solution here
[16:11] <Riddell> ah muon also needs qapt transitioned
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sitter: who knows if all the qapt bits can be moved to new version
[16:11] <Riddell> or do I have to faff around with a qapt-qt5 package?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> idk, I'm not really familiar with that
[16:29] <sitter> Riddell: there is already a release -.-
[16:30] <sitter> even integreated via unstable
[16:30] <sitter> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=141928303101871&w=2
[16:30] <Riddell> sitter: I know, the question is can I get rid of the libqapt 2 package
[16:31] <Riddell> have all the rdepends been ported
[16:35] <sitter> Riddell: all been ported
[16:35] <sitter> possibly need releases though
[16:35] <sitter> kubuntu-driver-manager certainly does
[16:35] <sitter> then again that is native
[16:35] <Riddell> sitter: great
[16:35] <sitter> Riddell: you can leave it around
[16:35] <sitter> and I take a look in detail tomorrow
[16:36] <sitter> but I am reasonably certain I ported all the things in august/september except for muon
[16:36] <Riddell> oh pbuilder, why do you not keep logs?
[16:37] <Riddell> kubuntu-driver-manager is uploaded, retrying to see if it builds
[16:43] <sitter> Riddell: pbuilder-dist I think keeps logs by default
[16:43] <sitter> also pbuilder has one global log file I think, alas, it gets reset every run
[16:55] <Riddell> sitter: qca2 and qca-qt5 pushed to git.debian
[16:58] <shadeslayer> sitter: what do you think is wrong here http://paste.ubuntu.com/9750153/
[17:04] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: meeting in 5 hours?
[17:04] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Not too long now
[17:04]  * Sick_Rimmit winces
[17:04] <Riddell> Mamarok, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK, valorie, _Groo_  meeting in 5 hours
[17:05] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: meeting for?
[17:05] <Sick_Rimmit> Me, for me
[17:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: cookies? 
[17:06] <_Groo_> Sick_Rimmit: im easily bought with cookies
[17:06]  * Sick_Rimmit notes cookies in KDE Basket todo list
[17:06] <Riddell> _Groo_: for Sick_Rimmit, but if you're interested in membership and upload rights to kubuntu-dev and kubuntu-ninjas you may want to observe and ask about those
[17:06] <_Groo_> Riddell: you made me lost a lot of cookies :P
[17:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: i was almost making him ship cookies to me... bummer...
[17:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: ill try to be here, prolly still in traffic, depends on sao paulo weather conditions for the day
[17:52] <apol> can somebody confirm this qapt bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295594
[18:03] <Riddell> apol: confirmed
[18:04] <Riddell> with version 2.2.0-0ubuntu2
[18:08] <Riddell> sitter: I'm off for the day and I plan to take a day off tomorrow (got guests)
[18:08] <Riddell> sitter: stuff to be done if I was around would be continue packaging plasma beta in staging http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.95_vivid.html
[18:08] <Riddell> tidy up applications backports in next-staging for utopic
[18:08] <Riddell> upload plasma to vivid
[18:08] <Riddell> backport plasma to utopic
[18:09] <Riddell> feel free to do any of that if you feel the utopic backports need done sooner rather than later :)
[18:09] <Riddell> I'll pop back in for the meeting later
[18:09] <Riddell> adios
[18:10] <Riddell> oh and keep poking qca2 and qca-qt5 and calligra into compiling
[18:10] <Riddell> ooh qca2 is done
[18:10] <Riddell> so is qca-qt5
[18:10] <Riddell> nice
[19:14] <Mamarok> Riddell: will try to be around, marked in my agenda
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> where will the meeting take place?
[20:17] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello all
[20:18] <sgclark> hiyas
[20:18] <sgclark> when is meeting?
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> in almost 2 hours
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> if I understood corectly
[20:19] <sgclark> can someone ping me when time? my irc window keeps getting buried
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: I'll try, but I won't make any promisses
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> where will the meeting take place?
[21:01] <yofel> #ubuntu-meeting or here
[21:06] <ovidiu-florin> thank you yofel
[21:27] <lordievader> Can non-Kubuntu members hang around during the meeting?
[21:31] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[21:32] <lordievader> \o/
[21:36] <Riddell> let's do it in #ubuntu-meeting, more exposure there to keep kubuntu in people's minds
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> where's Rick?
[21:41] <Sick_Rimmit> Im here
[21:42]  * Sick_Rimmit Runs to grab a cup of something
[21:42] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: I've got your T-shirts ready here :D
[21:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Oh Excellent :-)
[21:43] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm just finalising the artwork for printing items for the stand, hope to have the order place shortly
[21:44] <Sick_Rimmit> so it'll arrive in time for me to bring with me
[21:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Secretly I'm hoping to lay my hands on 2 Konqi's one for each of my girls
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> My 10 year old Rhiannon, replaced the HDD and RAM, by stripping bits from an old HP laptop, and then went on to re-install Ubuntu 12.04 last night. I think she deserves a Konqi
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Right cuppa
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> brb
[21:46] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: You ordered: 1 S 2 M 1 XL
[21:49] <shadeslayer> halo
[21:50] <shadeslayer> Did I miss it
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin> nope
[21:50] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:50] <shadeslayer> winning
[21:50] <shadeslayer> managed to do all of the things on my todo today
[21:51] <ovidiu-florin> congrats
[21:51] <Sick_Rimmit> shadeslayer: Good skills
[21:52] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:52] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> 8 minutes left
[21:53]  * Sick_Rimmit palms are getting sweaty
[21:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Hmmm how odd.. I'm actually felling a little nervous
[21:53] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: chill
[21:53] <yofel> no need for it, this is the membership meeting, not the dev one :P
[21:53] <ovidiu-florin> you're awesome
[21:54] <lordievader> yofel: The dev one is gruesome?
[21:55] <yofel> lordievader: depends, we try not to be too hard, but it *is* a full hour of questioning
[21:55] <Sick_Rimmit> I think it will be a long time before I apply for Dev Kubuntu-Ninja status
[21:55] <Majdi> hello there
[21:55] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm only just got into Yellow Belts
[21:55] <soee> shadeslayer: the Plasma 5 beta is ready for testing from staging ?
[21:56] <Majdi> does anyone here have some PyKDE knowledge ?
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: som PyQt knowledge here
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin> some*
[21:56] <yofel> nah, ninjas isn't that restricted, you just need to get some experience
[21:56] <ovidiu-florin> pyQt5
[21:57] <shadeslayer> my interwebs be spotty
[21:58] <Riddell> Mamarok, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK, valorie: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes
[21:58] <Majdi> ovidiu-florin, great! I'm trying to change a plasmoid's text color because it doesn't get along with my wallpaper. The widget is transparent
[21:58] <Majdi> The source code looks like this http://pastebin.com/EAT8dZe4
[21:59] <Majdi> I don't know really what to edit, I guess the needed property would be self.theme.something or self.layout.something
[22:00] <Majdi> couldn't find any documentation that could help though
[22:02] <Majdi> I found that http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/plasma/index.html
[22:02] <Majdi> If that could help anyhow
[22:04] <ovidiu-florin> wow this is so old
[22:09] <Majdi> you mean the doc ?
[22:16] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: yes, and also the code is still using PyQt4
[22:17] <Majdi> :/ ...
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: a more recent one: http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.7-api/plasma/index.html
[22:19] <Majdi> ovidiu-florin, Thanks
[22:19] <Majdi> couldn't find the class "layout" there though
[22:20] <Majdi> is it somewhere else ? and more important is it the proper class to look into ?
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: layout does just the layout
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> can I see the original code?
 The source code looks like this http://pastebin.com/EAT8dZe4
[22:22] <Majdi> I didn't touch anything except commeting out 2 likes
[22:22] <Majdi> lines*
[22:22] <Majdi> 3*
[22:22] <Majdi> #self.theme = Plasma.Svg(self)
[22:22] <Majdi>         #self.theme.setImagePath("widgets/background")
[22:22] <Majdi>         #self.setBackgroundHints(Plasma.Applet.DefaultBackground)
[22:24] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[22:26] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: you can find here the docs for the plasma lib http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/plasma/html/index.html
[22:26] <ovidiu-florin> I think you might need Plasma::Theme
[22:26] <Majdi> to remove the ugly semi-transparent background that was here by default ^^
[22:26] <Majdi> I'll take a look
[22:26] <ovidiu-florin> or, Plasma::Svg
[22:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: got a link to the toolchain setup?
[22:29]  * Sick_Rimmit appears with a Whoosh and a Grin
[22:29] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: I have to go now, hope you'll manage, if not drop me a line
[22:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: not really, I usually did sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf and then passed the arch to dpkg-buildpackage
[22:30] <yofel> let me try that
[22:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrossBuilding
[22:30] <Majdi> ovidiu-florin, alright, thank you very much for your help !
[22:30] <yofel> thx
[22:30] <Majdi> good night
[22:30] <ovidiu-florin> Majdi: YW
[22:31]  * ovidiu-florin is going to sleep with a good night read (http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-definetypes.html)
[22:35] <Sick_Rimmit> Nite nite ovidiu-florin
[22:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: there's also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ARMKernelCrossCompile
[22:36] <shadeslayer> I think export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- is the important bit
[22:36] <Riddell> lordievader: added yourself to the kubuntu 10th anniversary party? https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2015
[22:37] <shadeslayer> :(
[22:37]  * shadeslayer grumbles
[22:37] <lordievader> Err, no, not yet. For I am not sure if I will be able to help out. I'm going with friends, and just abandoning them ain't very nice.
[22:39] <lordievader> Riddell: ^
[22:39] <yofel> hm, lets give this sbuild thing a try
[22:44] <Sick_Rimmit> OK I got to go folks, I have a 5am start tomorrow
[22:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Thank you all once again for approving my Kubuntu Membership
[22:46] <Riddell> sleep well Sick_Rimmit 
[22:46] <Sick_Rimmit> Thanks everyone
[22:46]  * Sick_Rimmit Out
[22:50] <sitter> oh
[22:50] <sitter> did I miss the meeting
[22:50] <sitter> qq
[22:52] <lordievader> Riddell: I guess I'll pop by and help out if I can at FOSDEM. But I'll eat with my friends.
[22:54] <Riddell> lordievader: coming to the drinks event on friday?
[22:54] <Riddell> it's not fosdem if you don't spend the evening crushed into delerium drinking kumquat beer
[22:55] <lordievader> I hear we will be there.
[22:56] <sitter> has anyone booked me a flight yet?
[22:57] <lordievader> Try anyhow.
[22:57] <shadeslayer> sitter: flight? pft
[22:57] <Riddell> ebookers is waiting for your details
[22:57] <Riddell> they have a handy form on their webpage
[22:57] <shadeslayer> travel in style, use a TARDIS
[22:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: any luck with the sbuilder thing
[22:58] <shadeslayer> because mk-sbuild seems to install qemu-user-static qq
[22:58] <yofel> nah, that doesn't fit for him. Maybe he can ask Santa Claus for his sleigh
[22:58] <shadeslayer> ho ho ho
[22:58] <shadeslayer> sitter: ^^ burn
[23:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: trying now. First time I'm using sbuild here so I have to do the first run stuff -.-
[23:00] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:02] <sitter> apft
[23:02] <sitter> screw it
[23:02]  * shadeslayer actually needs to write schroot scripts tomorrow, to properly mount overlayfs shit
[23:02] <sitter> I am looking at oneway 150-200 eur
[23:03] <sitter> that is on top of 30 or so for the train
[23:03] <sitter> mudyness
[23:03] <shadeslayer> fwiw I'm not attending
[23:03] <tsdgeos> Riddell: still wants to uninstall lots of stuff https://paste.kde.org/pgcwdmnyg
[23:03] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: yo man! why not?
[23:04] <shadeslayer> meh
[23:04] <Riddell> he's in london
[23:04] <Riddell> which has a direct train
[23:04] <Riddell> they even built a tunnel
[23:05] <Riddell> tsdgeos: sorry, armhf is in eternal combat with krita's use of qMax(), I'm on my 8th upload of calligra today
[23:05] <tsdgeos> he he
[23:05] <shadeslayer> don't feel like it
[23:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah no, it's using qemu-user-static :/
[23:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: OTOH you might be able to cross compile by just installing the toolchain and exposing the correct vars
[23:07] <yofel> really? It didn't seem to install it here (I do already have it installed on the system though)
[23:07] <yofel> anyway, lets see what it does during the build
[23:07] <shadeslayer> uh
[23:07] <shadeslayer> it installed it for the trusty schroot I made
[23:08] <yofel> I used vivid
[23:08]  * sitter can go for a 100 euros by train one way
[23:09] <sitter> overnight that is even
[23:09] <Riddell> sitter: ubuntu flavours funding is your friend
[23:09] <yofel> E: Local archive GPG signing key not found
[23:09] <yofel> stupid sbuild
[23:09] <sitter> Riddell: at laest 360 is a waste of monies
[23:09] <sitter> oh and then there's hotel
[23:09] <sitter> so not worth it :P
[23:10]  * shadeslayer agrees
[23:10] <yofel> and now I don't have enough entropy *SIGH*
[23:10] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[23:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: install havged
[23:10] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[23:10] <Riddell> sitter: money sitting in a bank account not being used is a waste of money
[23:10] <sitter> cat everything in /
[23:11] <sitter> Riddell: let's buy some things then
[23:11] <shadeslayer> !info haveged
[23:11] <yofel> lets see
[23:12] <yofel> did the job, thanks
[23:12] <shadeslayer> cheers
[23:12] <shadeslayer> quite the useful daemon
[23:12] <Riddell> yofel: just book sitter's flight to fosdem for him, I find flight prices are an excellent source of entropy
[23:13] <yofel> lol
[23:13] <sitter> which is why I was asking whether someone booked me tickets yet
[23:13] <sitter> you know how I am with travel prep
[23:13] <sitter> an excuse to aviod it
[23:14] <sitter> curious side note.... VIE->BRU is almost every day for the next 3 months >150eur
[23:15] <shadeslayer> what the fuck
[23:16] <shadeslayer> holy shit you're right
[23:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: so it does seem to try cross building, but ends with dep issues -.-
[23:16] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752633/
[23:16] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[23:16] <sitter> vienna is too important
[23:17] <sitter> makes for expensive prices
[23:17]  * sitter shakes fist
[23:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: grep: debian/control: No such file or directory
[23:17] <shadeslayer> what the? :D
[23:17] <sitter> and here I was wanting to try the new airrail program of austrian+austrian railways :(
[23:18] <yofel> don't ask me :P
[23:18] <sitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnoJdK8cmwQ
[23:21] <valorie> shoot, I forgot to set an alarm for the meeting
[23:22] <valorie> my apologies for missing it
[23:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'll have a look tomorrow
[23:22]  * sitter missed it beacuse he was battleing shit consumer routers xD
[23:23] <yofel> let me try with aptitude as resolver, apt-get sucks
[23:28] <valorie> I was a solid +1 for Rimmit anyway, but I should have been there
[23:29] <valorie> sitter: funny vid, I imagine that is a self portrait 
[23:29] <sitter> yofel: no, it's just that no one ever turns on the resolver debug output
[23:29] <sitter> which is a thing that eludes me entirely
[23:29] <sitter> valorie: very much so
[23:29] <valorie> the leiderhosen clinches it totally
[23:30] <yofel> sitter: now you just have to tell me how to tell sbuild to do that
[23:30] <sitter> I dunno
[23:30] <sitter> I dunno why it doesn't by default
[23:30] <yofel> gee thanks :P
[23:30]  * sitter be using lxc and nothing but lxc
[23:32] <yofel> oh great, aptitude outright ignores that I want to build armhf and just installs amd64 deps \o/
[23:33] <yofel> so much for that idea
[23:33] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: actually, that might just work
[23:33] <yofel> it doesn't :P
[23:33] <shadeslayer> because all you need is headers anyway most of the time right?
[23:33] <shadeslayer> oh :(
[23:33] <yofel> you don't get past dpkg-checkbuilddeps
[23:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: what does it say?
[23:33] <shadeslayer> huh
[23:34] <shadeslayer> can't find certain packges?
[23:34] <yofel> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture armhf
[23:34] <yofel> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: extra-cmake-modules kdoctools-dev kio-dev kross-dev libkeduvocdocument-dev libkf5config-dev libkf5coreaddons-dev libkf5crash-dev libkf5i18n-dev libkf5kcmutils-dev libkf5khtml-dev libkf5newstuff-dev libkf5sonnet-dev libqt5svg5-dev libxml2-dev qtmultimedia5-dev qtscript5-dev
[23:34] <shadeslayer> how ... odd
[23:34] <yofel> it wants :armhf for all of those
[23:34] <shadeslayer> right
[23:36] <sitter> oh fwiw, chdist is a handy tool to do that sort of dep check IIRC
[23:37]  * sitter wanted to watch a movie 4 hours ago; couldn't get on netflix; now it's too late -.-
[23:38] <shadeslayer> you have netflix in Austria?
[23:38] <shadeslayer> :(
[23:39] <Riddell> yay plasma all built on vivid (except muon) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.95_vivid.html
[23:40] <sitter> shadeslayer: limited
[23:40] <sitter> there's a buttload of bbc programs though
[23:40] <sitter> so that's cool
[23:40] <shadeslayer> you have BBC?!
[23:40] <shadeslayer> or do you mean on Netflix
[23:41] <sitter> on netflix
[23:42] <valorie> hmmm, I wonder if I could get doctor who that way instead of crappy BBC America
[23:42] <sitter> problem is that the stuff on netflix in austria would have to have at least subs which I don't need nor want so it's a bit meh
[23:42] <valorie> which is half ads
[23:42] <sitter> fortunately membership isn't region bound so I just happen to vpn us netflix when I want something specific
[23:43] <keithzg> Doctor Who is all on Netflix Canada, at least.
[23:43] <keithzg> (well, except for the most recent season)
[23:43] <valorie> classic who I can get on DVD
[23:44] <valorie> current season is what I want of course
[23:44] <valorie> I've seen all the reboot eps multiple times
[23:44] <sitter> valorienetflix us seems to have a jolly publishing delay
[23:44]  * sitter too drunk to type
[23:45] <keithzg> Publisher being protective of their DVD/Bluray sales, presumably.
[23:45] <keithzg> *publishers
[23:45] <sitter> valorie: netflux US seems to have a jolly publishing delay, latest series is 7
[23:45] <sitter> so, previous one
[23:45] <sitter> there's a lot of classic who though
[23:45] <valorie> yeah, I have to get back to that
[23:45] <sitter> keithzg: quite possibly
[23:46] <valorie> was almost through the first season
[23:46] <valorie> they are fun in a rather historical way
[23:46] <Riddell> phew, good thing we voted No, means I can still use bbc iplayer and get doctor who for free
[23:46] <valorie> rofl
[23:46] <sitter> at any rate, as someone who doesn't own a television I can only recommend netflix ;)
[23:46] <keithzg> hahaha
[23:46] <sitter> Riddell: from spain?
[23:47] <valorie> Riddell: sounds like you may soon be living in an independent region anyway
[23:47] <valorie> your secret plan is working
[23:47] <sitter> see, I think catalunya needs to get rid of spain and join the UK the you could iplay :P
[23:48] <valorie> heeeeee
[23:49] <Riddell> actually catalunya tv has a deal with bbc to show doctor who in catalan, the spanish don't get it at all
[23:49] <Riddell> another good reason for independence
[23:52] <sitter> xD
[23:54]  * valorie crosses fingers about the conversation with drizt
[23:55] <sitter> my god the amount of time spent on this
[23:58] <valorie> yes
[23:58] <valorie> thank you for your work, sitter
[23:58] <valorie> and you, Riddell
[23:58] <Riddell> well hang on, he's not said he'll accept it yet
[23:59] <valorie> I know
[23:59] <valorie> ::fingers still crossed::