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blurrorzhi guys, im new to linux, i hope to get along!00:33
wxlyou'll do fine blurrorz00:34
blurrorzhaha thanks... :P00:34
blurrorzim trying to verify if my video drivers have installed with the lubuntu installation00:35
wxlif you see stuff, they probably have :)00:36
blurrorzhaha yeah... but sometime its and old or more basic version of the driver...00:36
wxlseriously though, if there's no reason to be concerned, you're probably good to go00:37
Nixussame blurrorz, using lubuntu?00:37
blurrorzyeah00:38
Nixuscool00:38
Nixusanyone know how00:38
Nixusis there a way to change the direction the window minimize animation goes? whenever I minimize/maximize a window, It always goes dow00:38
Nixusas if the panel is down, but it's on top00:39
Nixus 00:39
drkokandyNixus - have you logged out and logged back in since you made that change?00:39
Nixusyes00:39
Nixuseven restarted00:39
Nixus3 times*00:39
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NixusAH, ouchy, I can't seem to get my sound working :'-(00:44
Nixusanyone help?00:45
ianorlintry unmuting stuff in alsamixer is the easiest place to start but sound problems are quite annoying00:46
ianorlinalso lspci to tell what kind of sound is useful00:46
Nixushmm, kinda new here, can you explain in a n00b fashion? sorry00:48
ianorlinrun lspci in a terminal to show what kind of sound chip you have00:48
wxlbefore you do that, though, run `alsamixer` in terminal and make sure nothing's muted00:48
Nixusaudio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.00:49
Nixusalsamixer shows: card: hd-audio generic chip: ati r6xx hdmi Item: s/pdif [off]00:50
wxloh no not hdmi00:50
Nixus\o/00:51
Nixusso is it trying to output sound through hdmi?00:51
wxlit *MAY* be00:53
wxlhdmi sound can be a pain00:53
wxlcheck to see if anything is muted00:53
Nixusoh no!00:53
wxlif you see 00 at the bottom of the channels that's NOT muted00:53
wxlif you see MM it is muted00:53
wxlit would be green if it's not muted00:54
ianorlinI disabled it on my motherboard00:54
ianorlinand just use the headphone jack00:54
Nixusshows MM in cyan (blue)00:54
ianorlinbut that would be in bios00:54
wxlMM is muted00:54
Nixusok, I'll try00:54
wxlarrow over to the right channel and hit M00:55
wxlhi drkokandy00:55
wxlwelcome00:55
Nixusright channel?00:55
* wxl facepalms00:55
wxlyou'll find i'm REALLY good at that00:55
drkokandylol00:56
Nixussorry00:56
blurrorzhey guys what do you guys use for rdp in lubuntu?00:56
Nixus?01:00
Unit193blurrorz: Server or client?01:00
blurrorzclient... sorry01:01
Unit193blurrorz: freerdp, or that plus remmina (pre vivid.)01:01
blurrorzive tried rdesktop... but in fullscreen mode the lubuntu taskbar stays on top and hides the windows taskbar... its quite annoying lol01:01
Nixusso should I just disable hdmi in bios?01:03
blurrorzhave you tried a search online about switching audio output in lubuntu? sometimes you can get your answer!01:05
blurrorzREMMINA seems nice... ill give it a try later... thanks01:07
Nixushmmm. people are talking about being a slider in alsamixer, I don't seem to see one01:08
blurrorzare you on a laptop ?01:09
Nixusyes01:09
blurrorztheres a good chance you can find the exact model number of audio device01:10
blurrorzand then find a driver for ubuntu for your device...01:10
blurrorztheres a good chance you can find the exact model number of audio device... if you check online with your laptop model number01:11
blurrorzany luck ?01:15
blurrorzokay.. lol01:17
drkokandyaw01:18
nicholashaha!01:18
nicholasgot it.01:18
nicholassomeone else had the same thing on the lubuntu forum the same laptop. got it working my creating a file called "asoundrc" and put some stuff into it. worked like a charm!01:19
nicholasnow, is there a way to get a volume indicator?01:19
blurrorzlol you changed nickname ?01:19
blurrorzdont you have a speaker icon on the taskbar ?01:20
nicholasyeh, change between nixus and this01:20
blurrorz:P01:20
nicholasdidn't have an icon in the bar before, but have one now :-)01:20
nicholasbut is there a popup one?01:20
blurrorzwell if you click on it there should be a volume control popping up... other than that im not sure what you mean01:21
nicholaslike here:01:22
nicholashttp://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digit.in%2Fforum%2Fsoftware-q%2F125548-need-volume-indicator-bar-windows-similar-linux-mint-volume-bar.html&ei=18S1VLyXE8P9yQTN74KICA&bvm=bv.83640239,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNFUfS9-Ira0EXIV2TJEnhGcM7LI6w&ust=142128494713380801:22
nicholasor here: http://i.stack.imgur.com/GEFwy.jpg01:23
blurrorzthats beyond my knowledge...  i dont know how you could change it to what it is by default...01:25
nicholasok, thank you so much for your patience with me (me=n00b)01:26
blurrorznp01:27
blurrorzother than the way it looks is there any useful reason to change it to what you want ?01:28
nicholaswell it's more convenient and more easily viewable than the puny little applet in the panel01:29
nicholasand it is more detailed, as it should have many levels01:29
blurrorzLol :P ok then01:30
nicholasbut not neccisary01:31
blurrorzyeah i figured :P01:32
nicholasoh, mama mea, just got it working. put xfce4-volumed :-)01:34
nicholasi used xfce before and was like, go figure, lxde already uses some xfce stuff (powermanager, etc) and yaya, happiest person :-)01:35
nicholasI'm out, gotta go! TY!01:36
nicholasNVM, can stay a bit longer01:39
nicholassays that the volume mute, volume lower and volume raise failed, even though it works... strange01:39
blurrorzyeah...01:41
nicholasworks though! :-)01:41
blurrorz:P01:41
nicholasare there any major differences between openbox and xfwm4? IDK01:42
blurrorzhey thanks guys... remmina works great"!02:10
sakHello guys. I am new to this channel so please forgive my ignorance. I am not sure if this is the place to discussion lubuntu ideas for quality assurance or ideas to implement in the upcoming lubuntu releases02:40
ianorlinno that is more the job of the lubuntu brainstorming team02:41
sakwhat is this chat used for if you don't mind me asking?02:48
ianorlinmaybe #lubuntu-offtopic but not many on irc right now02:53
holsteinsak: this channel is about support for the lubuntu operating system02:54
holstein!contribute | sak02:54
ubottusak: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu02:54
sakHolstein, when you say support, did you mean quality support or technical support?02:57
holsteinsak: this is, as the /topic states, support.. for the users of the lubuntu operating sytem02:58
holsteinsak: if one is using lubuntu, and wants support, one can ask for help here from a volunteer in the community here.. or, one can hang here and volunteer said support02:59
holsteinsak: if you want to "contribute", you can see the contribute link for helping upstream, or, as ianorlin mentioned, the "dev" channel is typically #lubuntu-offtopic,..02:59
sakThank you holstein. This will be a very useful channel as I am running Lubuntu on my laptop as I type ;-)03:05
talsamonhello, I tried to make a ".desktop-file", after this lxpanel don't work anymore, I purged lxpanel\* and reinstall it, then the desktop was puzzled - what happens with a so simple action ?, now I had to reinstall09:37
talsamonhello, any answer to my question ?10:13
Newkhi, i'm on lubuntu 14.04 and notice something strange.. when i change a menu-item with properties to "execute in terminal emulator" it does open LXTerminal but doesn't execute the command, nor does it set current dir to the set "working directory"11:40
Newkhi15:06
talsamonhello, how to fix, the lxpanel crashes in 14.10 ?15:49
Newki get the impression this channel is not watched much16:47
tewardNewk: it's not as active as other,s no.16:48
ianorlinNewk well feel free to help out16:48
Newki dont know much about bugs in lxde16:49
testdrNewk: hi (here you got your missing greeting)16:49
Newki try where i can16:49
ianorlinone way to learn about things is lurking and looking at man pages for stuff you don't know that is how I learned16:50
Newk(12:40:57) Newk: hi, i'm on lubuntu 14.04 and notice something strange.. when i change a menu-item with properties to "execute in terminal emulator" it does open LXTerminal but doesn't execute the command, nor does it set current dir to the set "working directory"16:50
Newki bet i cannot find much about that in man pages16:51
Newkbut it might give a hint if i knew more about the inner workings of lxde16:52
testdrNewk: i user something like this in the starter-command-line:   xterm   -e   "ps   xfa;  data;  read key"16:52
ianorlinah I think this is a known bug16:52
testdrNewk: sorry -- typing error its not "data" ist "date" to display current time16:53
Newkwhy would i want to display current time?16:54
testdrNewk:  you may blame me - but i wont care -- this was only one of my samples, i use --16:54
Newki dont blame anyone but my own lack of knowledge, thats why i' m here to ask16:55
testdrNewk: i gave you a sample - you dont want to try and check?16:56
Newkyes i was at it16:56
Newktestdr: that seemed to work!17:00
testdrNewk: fine - if this solves your problem -- cause normal xterm font is small - i usually use the optione "xterm  -fn  9x15 ......"17:01
Newkso i circumvent the issue by starting up a terminal with given commands beforehand instead of relying on the menu-configuration17:01
Newki could start a sh script17:02
testdrNewk: yes - and you can blame me for this - i only noticed it works not how expected and therefor always used this "old way".17:02
Newkok! glad you could help me out :D17:02
Newkthanx!17:02
testdrNewk: i dont know if some propertys of such starter-desktop-files is interpreted in full from other windowmanagers17:03
ianorlinI think starting console applications from menu is unforatnetly broken :(17:03
testdrNewk: for example: you wont get any activity-response (spining mouse-curser etc.) like in some other window-managers17:03
Newki stuck to lxde for some time now.. i quite like it17:03
Newki think its the best.. and curious what the fusion with qt will bring17:04
ianorlinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/128988117:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1289881 in lubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Terminal applications do not start (empty terminal window instead)" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:04
testdrianorlin: starting applications from menu is working for me - but i have to copy such a starter-file into the global directorys, where all other app-starter-files are17:04
ianorlinno but htop doesn't for me as in this bug17:05
Newktestdr: yes you mean the applications folder with all those .desktop files.. if i want to add one i also copy ones from similar programs17:07
testdryep17:07
Newki once tried this program "main menu editor" it worked (though it uses java) but i sometimes got doubles17:08
testdrfor the lxpanel-entries is possible to manually (with editor) add a local (in ~/bin/) desktop-file --- i never tried this menu-editor17:09
Newktestdr: do you know something i could add to; either that line for xterm. or to sh script so that it won't close xterm after execution... so i can read what was logged17:19
testdrNewk: my sample did use " ...;  read key"  a normal shell-command to wait for some input with return-key17:19
Newkah that was that for!17:20
Newki allready wondered :317:20
holsteinwhats the goal? click a button, and run in terminal?17:20
holsteinbut, you want it to be the lxterm?17:20
testdrNewk: i did not write a shell-script for those few commands -- if you put everything into a shell-script (with bash-bang and executable) you can use a lot more functions17:21
Newkwell that would be best so i can copy paste from it17:21
Newkhello holstein :)17:21
holsteinyou dont want to pipe some output?17:21
Newkno just to leave terminal op in the event of bugs so i can copy/paste them to report to dev17:24
Newk*open17:24
holsteinterminal operation?17:24
holsteinNewk: what bugs?17:24
holstein"they" may not want that.. i would try and just follow the normal bug reporting, and included tools, when possible..17:25
holstein!bug17:25
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.17:25
Newkcould help for all kinds of testing17:25
holsteinthis is an interesting time for lxde, as its likely transitionning17:25
holsteintransitioning*17:25
holsteinit *could* help, but, its not necessary.. you can always look at logs, when asked, if the system hasnt locked or kernel panic'd17:26
Newkfor everything that was executed there is a log?17:26
holsteinNewk: i didnt say, or mean to imply that, but, thats not important, since, you need not log *everything* that was ran17:27
testdrask the NSA - it might record everything?17:27
holsteinfor example, if its not in the ubuntu repos, is it going to get attention?17:27
Newklol17:27
holsteinyou can find a *lot* of bugs for some things like skype, but, its closed, and there is not much that can be done17:27
holsteinthere actually should be a "cant fix" or "upstream should fix" flag17:28
Newki would drop bugs at skype for that... not at ubuntu community17:28
holsteinNewk: they dont welcome them, so, users file with ubuntu, which is fine, im just suggesting, dont get too hung up on logging *all* your output like that17:29
Newkskype did bug is enough when dropping support for alsa and only went for pulsaudio abstraction17:29
testdrholstein: at last - i cant wait for fixing bugs, i need working now. For example dnsmasq using without cache, why use it at all, if used without cache?17:29
holsteinthere are logs.. x logs, kernel logs.. if a "dev" sees the bug, they will ask for what they need17:29
holsteinNewk: nothing about ubuntu/linux/pulse/alsa prevents skype from supporting it.. but, to stay constructive, for the end user, there is little need to constantly monitor log output, since, it cant be addressed anyway17:30
Newkyes that was what i was thinking from a testing user perspective17:30
holsteinfor you, you can just follow the normal bug reporting proceedure17:30
holsteinlook for existing bugs, isolate and test.. join existing bugs, or make new ones as needed, and get others, such as myself, to reproduce17:31
holsteinand, also, exercise patience, as, lxde is transitioning..17:31
holsteintesting the iso's *is* helpful17:31
holsteinhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ and easy to address17:31
Newkyes with lxde i have patience... it came a long way already with allot ahead too17:32
Newkits my main usage in linux17:32
Newkeven on that little raspberry i got17:32
Newkright now.. with pidgin17:33
holsteinyou can always ask for support in #ubuuntu for pidgin, since it wont be lxde/lubuntu specific..17:35
holstein#ubuntu17:36
holsteinthat channel is more active, and has more users, and the pidgin application is the *same*..17:37
Newkno i didnt meant i was testing that other then using it right now on raspberry to chat here... i was using that terminal thing for another program on another machine17:37
Newkthanx for the advice tho :D17:38
Newktestdr: -e flag works with lxterm too17:43
testdrNewk: then the man-page for lxterminal is correct17:43
Newkyes just did lxterm -h to find out17:44
testdrNewk: oops - lxterm is for my setup the same like xterm17:44
Newkindeed.. but lxterminal also supports -e i just found out17:49
Newktestdr: ^17:49
Newkread key is not ideal.. i rather have it give a prompt so that it would only close when i tell it to17:50
* Newk googles17:50
gilHi - is there an appropriate channel to discuss 15.04?18:52
wxlas good as any gil18:55
gilokay18:55
wxlwe don't have a qa channel18:55
wxlor a dev channel for that matter18:55
gilI'm not sure what the official term for the little icons that you click to expand things? Widgets perhaps?18:55
gilFor example, in the software updater, you can click a little triangle usually to expand more information18:55
gilbut anyhow, in 15.04 these are all invisible for me18:55
gilwas just wondering if this is a known issue18:56
wxlscreenshot for me?18:56
wxlwhich 15.04 are we talking about?18:56
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gilOkay I can't take a screenshot because I have no updates to do at the moment and I can't think of another interface that features them18:57
gilbut if you check this out - http://www.opensourceforu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ubuntu1204-04-Software-updates.png18:57
gilthe small triangle next to Details18:57
gilthat is what is invisible18:57
wxlwhich 15.04?18:57
gilwxl here's what shows for my version number - http://pastebin.com/3jVmBgD4   I did a force upgrade from 14.10 using software updater with the -d flag and have since kept it up to date18:59
wxlhm18:59
wxlassumedly that would give you the latest daily18:59
wxli'm not 100% sure18:59
wxlwhat graphics driver are you using?18:59
gilIt'll be the integrated intel driver for the 4000 chipset19:00
gilI'll find you an exact name19:00
gilwxl it's the i915 driver19:02
wxldo you have any other graphics issues?19:02
gilNope, none at all19:03
gilit's only the little triangle widgets that vanish19:03
wxlok so that's probably not an issue but i think i've heard of problems with that driver19:03
wxlso that's something to keep in the back of our mind19:03
wxlno problems with 14.10 i'm assuming?19:04
gilso it's not a major problem, in fact I've been surprised at how well the 15.04 works for me at this stage19:04
wxlwell usually new versions build on the quality of previous ones, so ;)19:04
gilwxl there was one thing with 14.10 where every time I logged in I used to get a bunch of system error boxes appear19:04
gilabout 5 or 619:04
wxlthings may get funky when we roll lxqt out19:04
gilI would just cancel them away and get on with it19:04
wxlthat may be because you had a previous crash that's still sitting around19:04
gilbut these boxes stopped appearing since I did the 15.04 u/g19:04
wxlyeah i imagine it would wipe those out in the process19:05
wxlif you have similar problems, either continue or wipe the files from /var/crash19:05
gilbut that's it, rock solid apart from that :)19:05
gil....oh yeah and chrome always crashes when I start it up cold19:05
wxlchrome or chromium?19:05
gilchrome19:05
wxlhm19:05
wxlhow much memory you have?19:05
gilbut I set it to ignore future crashes so I never really see it crash19:06
gil4GB19:06
wxlhm19:06
wxlwhat version are you using?19:06
gilI'm on the stable branch19:06
wxlk19:06
wxlwhen you say "start it up cold" what is the alternative?19:06
gilVersion 39.0.2171.99 (64-bit)19:06
gilokay so basically, I start up Lubuntu and log in, click the Chrome icon, I then get a crash dialog box and Chrome relaunches itself and then everything is fine19:07
gilstable for hours after that19:07
wxlso there's nothing you can do to not keep it from crashing?19:07
gilit's only the first time I launch chrome after a cold boot19:07
gilwxl no, it always does so on the first launch. However, I select "ignore future errors" or whatever the option is, and so I don't see the crash box on launch19:07
wxlhm19:08
giluntil google push an updated version out so I see a crash dialog again19:08
wxloh19:08
wxlinteresting19:08
wxlthis sounds like a chrome problem19:08
gilso then I select "ignore future errors"19:08
wxli use chrome myself and have had no such issue19:08
giland around we go again :)19:08
wxlthere's probably a directory you need to wipe19:08
wxlhowever, in general, i would suggest ALWAYS submitting crashes19:08
gilYeah I figured that was more of a Chrome issue, because generally lubuntu has been really really stable for me19:08
wxlelse it may keep harassing you, whether it be chrome, lubuntu, or whatever :)19:08
gilI think I tried to submit it but was told it wasn't officially supported or what not, so I kind of gave up :-\19:09
wxlhm weird19:09
wxlwell19:12
wxlgil: what version of lubuntu-artwork do you have?19:12
gilI have two apparently: lubuntu-artwork 0.50 and lubuntu-artwork-15-04 0.5019:14
gilbrb 5 mins19:14
wxliiiiinteresting19:14
wxlloading a vm up19:15
wxloh man this is old19:16
wxl0.4819:16
wxlupdating19:16
ianorlinwxl the copyright file fo lubuntu-artwork hasn't been updated in a while either19:16
wxlyeah i saw the bug ianorlin19:17
wxldo you have any experience with this problem?19:17
ianorlindon't use chrome19:17
gilwxl back if you need me19:22
wxl1s gil19:24
wxlit's not about chrome ianorlin19:24
wxlredescribe the problem with the triangle thingy gil19:24
gilianorlin the little triangle icon you click to expand things, such as "details" in software updater19:24
gilit's invisible19:24
gileverything else draws fine19:24
gilit's just that triangle "widget?"19:25
ianorlingil did you change widget in lxappearance19:28
ianorlinI filed a bug for that here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines/+bug/1406807 because it only effected ones that weren't part of lubuntu-artwork19:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1406807 in gtk2-engines (Ubuntu) "multiple engeines missing widgets in software updater on lxde" [Undecided,New]19:29
gilianorlin I tried to change widget after I noticed the issue, but I've had the issue so far in both Lubuntu-default and Mist19:30
ianorlinI can reproduce in mist but not lubuntu-default19:31
gilCan you give me an example GUI that features the triangle widget so I can try? The only one I can think of is software updater and I need updates to be able to do that :)19:32
wxlgil: 1s19:40
wxlrunning software updater19:42
gilThis is weird. I was going to force version a package so I could get the software updater to find an update and display the widget for me to test it19:42
gilbut synaptic's force version menu item seems to be permanently greyed out19:42
gilahhh nvm seems some updates are coming down the pipe19:44
gilyeah, widgets reappear in Lubuntu-default so that works for me :)19:45
gilI wonder why it wasn't set to Lubuntu-default when I upgraded from 14.10 initially though?19:46
ianorlinkeeps files in home folder19:46
gilDoes 14.10 use Clearlooks as default?19:46
ianorlinno19:46
ianorlinbut you still have the config in home folder that tells it what theme to have19:46
gilianorlin okay. Not to complicate things, but I don't think I *ever* changed the look and feel until I installed 15.04 and noticed the missing widgets19:47
wxlso problem solved?19:47
gilbut if that's the only way it could not have been set to Lubuntu-default I suppose I must have :-\19:47
gilbut yeah, problem solved, wxl - non default widgets are wonky :)19:47
ianorlinsome widgets are broken but work around19:47
ianorlinwell dark-panel still works19:48
gilNow bring on lxqt! :D19:48
wxlgil: you may want to file a bug against those widgets19:55
wxlgil: file it against lubuntu-artwork and we'll figure out where it should go to19:56
gilwxl it's already filed I think19:56
gilwxl https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk2-engines/+bug/140680719:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1406807 in gtk2-engines (Ubuntu) "multiple engeines missing widgets in software updater on lxde" [Undecided,New]19:57
gilNot sure why I didn't see that when I searched for it earlier19:57
wxlgreat thanks19:57
wxlplease confirm it19:57
wxlbrb19:57
gilkk19:58

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