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jgjonesQuick question if you don't mind...00:00
jgjonesGot a new monitor, so that mean I would have 3 monitors.00:00
popeyuhuh00:00
m0nkey_You have the math00:00
jgjonesPrevious setup - 1080 screen and a older viewsonic screen at 1280x1024 - dual screen is fine, no issues (old is DVI, new is HDMI)00:01
jgjonesnew monitor - using displayport, it's a 1080 screen.00:01
jgjonesOn its own, works fine. It simply will not play nicely with the other two screens in any configuration.00:01
jgjonesthe new monitor is capable of 144Hz refresh rate if that make any difference?00:02
jgjonesoh and graphics is nvidia00:02
jgjonesany clues as to what might be the problem?00:02
diddledannvidia00:02
jgjonesI've used 3 screens with nvidia without any problem in the past though?00:03
diddledanI don't know how out of date my info is but I recall there being a thing that nvidia crippled their cards or drivers to only support two monitors00:04
ThomasRedstoneokay...00:04
ThomasRedstoneStill don't know the question, but, have you tried disconnecting one of the other monitors and seeing if it works with the new one, and one of the old ones?00:04
ThomasRedstoneor maybe IRC has a very long lag for me right now...00:05
jgjonesThomasRedstone, I should really have thought of doing that. I'll disconnect the old one and see.00:05
ThomasRedstoneAre you certain it supports 3 monitors? I know my laptop doesn't, so I have to turn the built in display off when I work with my dual monitor setup00:06
popeyi thought they crippled to only support 300:06
jgjonesIt's a desktop PC by the way but that would be friggin' annoying if they did cripple to support just 2 screen considering I bought the new one to have 2 screens.00:07
jgjones3 screens I mean.00:07
jgjonesIt's fine on Windows after all but I'll really rather not use that.00:07
ThomasRedstoneah, if it works on Windows, it's not a hardware limitation, though it could potentially still be lower level, like drivers, but who knows...00:09
ThomasRedstoneanyway, I'm off to bed! Night all00:09
jgjonesno hardware limits - the graphics card - gtx970 support up to 4 screens.00:11
jgjonespulled out old monitor and it's happy with 2 screens once again.00:11
jgjonesI'll plug that in now live.00:11
jgjonesHmm OK.00:14
jgjonesI really should have done what ThomasRedstone suggested...it seems that if I unplug the old monitor, setup dual screen with the 2 HD screens, and then plug in old monitor and it can then be added as a 3rd screen.00:14
jgjonesPanic's over folks, it's working (so far, I have yet to reboot and see what happens)00:15
diddledanodd00:15
diddledanoh well at least it almost works as planned - it might require hotplugging ever time though which would be a nuisance00:16
jgjonesno wait...00:16
jgjonesnew problem...it now doesn't work...yes I spoke too screen. Sigh...00:16
jgjonesthere was an error message, but I hit enter while that was active so didn't read what it said and new screen is off. I'll restart and see if I can see the error message again.00:17
jgjonesAh - it all works fine. I do get an error message that shows up: "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied. could not set the configuration for CRTC 443"00:20
jgjonesJust a close button on that.00:20
jgjonesFunny thing is that it works just fine with 3 screens, but if I click on Close on the error message, I lose the middle screen and it all get screwy.00:21
jgjonesOK - new advice please ladies and gentlemen - what's the best way I can collect a log of all this so that I could submit it as a bug report if not already exists?00:23
jgjonesI mean..what do I need? /var/log/xorg.log anything else?00:23
popeythere is an nvidia bug report tool which does it for you00:26
jgjonesThanks. I assume it should go to nvidia rather than Ubuntu since I'm using nvidia drivers?00:28
popeyyou donwloaded from nvidia.com?00:29
popeyif so, they have a bug reporting script and details on their forums00:29
jgjonesxorg-edgers ppa00:29
popeyah00:30
popeyI'd follow the nvidia process00:31
jgjonesMemory's a tad vague but I think I started using xorg-edgers because the offical nvidia drivers that come with ubuntu official sources didn't support the maxwell GPU00:31
popeythere's little we can do with the closed driver00:31
jgjonesAye, I figured.00:31
diddledan:-o http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/nation-in-shock-as-cadburys-changes-the-creme-egg-recipe-9971856.html00:42
diddledanoh. "mainstream support for windows 7 ends today" <-- I'm assuming that's the pre-sp version01:00
zmoylan-pii think it's looking to promote paid for service patches01:01
diddledanlol: http://gizmodo.com/blackhat-alllmost-gets-hacking-right-167923320601:07
diddledanI still want to watch it tho01:07
diddledanI like the comments section01:07
diddledan"""Sure, but all it takes is one careless idiot who's late for a meeting and just HAS to get that report printed right now to fuck it up for everyone. That's the simple genius of phishing scams. It doesn't matter how tall the castle walls are if you can get some moron to raise the portcullis and lower the drawbridge."01:09
diddledanlanguage01:10
diddledansorry, I should have vetted it a bit better01:10
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mappsmorning05:18
* zmoylan-pi opens one eye to confirm, doesn't like the view and closes the eye again05:32
mappssup:D05:36
mappsactually been asleep for once eh?05:36
mappsnormally you and daftykins  and diddledan  seem to be here all the time05:36
mappsoh and shauno  :)05:36
zmoylan-pinah, i'm awake, coughing lungs up.  thank goodness for lozenges easing cough05:38
shaunonot all the time, just the weird hours you keep :)05:52
mappsyea  but u all stay up when you have work in the morning05:58
mappsim here when ive finished work;p05:58
mapps;]06:36
mappslooks like my pi might have crashed again06:40
mappsargh06:40
zmoylan-piwhat was it running at the time?06:44
knightwisemorning è06:47
* knightwise is still fighting with Retropie :)06:47
mappsopenvpn/apache06:53
mappsand a pptp vpn06:53
mappsi cant see it so cant check logs..dunno if its totally crashed or just networking stack?06:54
mappsbut i cant ssh to it or anything06:54
mappsif i get it rebooted..will there be any logs i can check? someone said before theyd be gone upon reboot06:54
Myrttimoin08:11
awilkinshttp://moinmo.in/08:17
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MooDoomorning all08:19
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davmor2Morning all09:12
bashrcmorning09:14
davmor2MooDoo: is all the snow melted up your way?09:21
MooDoodavmor2: haven't had any09:30
davmor2MooDoo: :(09:32
MooDoosupposed to have a little flurry at some point but nothing major, was a bit frosty this morning, but that's about it09:35
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Organise Your Home Day! :-D09:36
nigelbI did that yesterday.09:37
nigelbMy books are in a neat bookshelf that makes me happy every time I look at it.09:37
JamesTaitNormally I would follow on in the spirit of yesterday and be very skeptical about my chances of organising my home, but I've also been doing exactly that the last couple of days.09:39
JamesTaitIn fact, nigelb, I also re-organised the books in my bookshelf last night.09:40
nigelb\o/09:40
nigelbI realized sadly that I have far little books than I thought.09:40
nigelb~10009:40
nigelbrather than the 200 or so I thought.09:40
* davmor2 spent the holiday organising his office does that count JamesTait ?09:40
nigelbI only knew them as "needs 5 cardboard boxes"09:41
JamesTaitdavmor2, YES!09:41
davmor2\o/09:41
JamesTaitnigelb, I discovered that The Fifth Elephant seems to have wandered off somewhere.09:41
nigelbthe conference?09:42
nigelbOh, the book!09:42
nigelbJamesTait: I have not yet bought into the Prachett world.09:42
nigelbI have two books, not yet read them.09:42
nigelbLast night I thoguht I'd read to bed.09:42
* bashrc never bought into the Prachett world09:42
nigelbBad idea: Stayed up most of the night reading the book instead of sleeping.09:43
JamesTaitI'm working through the Discworld series with my eldest son atm.09:43
awilkinsHe starts off as funny but pretty standard fantasy spoof humour09:43
awilkinsHe develops a lot of heart and insight later on09:43
awilkinsHis recent work has started to show the signs of his condition which is really sad09:44
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:05
MooDoomorning brobostigon10:17
brobostigonmorning MooDoo10:17
JamesTaitbrobostigon, o/10:20
brobostigonmorning JamesTait10:20
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diploAfternoon girls and boys12:02
popeypip pip12:02
MooDoohowdy diplo12:03
diploGot myself a new 4TB drive, just wondering the best way to partition it as fdisk doesn't support >2TB12:03
diploAny pointers to sites would be great, gdisk seems to be the option I can find so far12:03
popeygparted does12:03
diploAh right, parted is the CLI version isn't it ?12:03
popeyjust needs a bigger partition table12:03
popeygpt12:03
diployeah, never had an issue as I've always done something this large under raid normally, first time I've used a single large disk12:04
diploJust want to do it right until I can afford two more drives12:04
diploAh seems simple enough with parted ta12:05
popeyi have two 4TB drives arriving this week12:05
popeyneed to think about how to partition them..12:06
MooDooI'm looking at 2TB wd red drives for my servers12:06
diploI'm going with one big one for now, and next month hopefully buy two more drives and may make a btrfs set up12:07
bashrcmy storage needs are quite modest. I don't save a lot of video and mostly I'm just producing text.12:07
diploI rip all my DVDs to video for media centre, 500-600 films12:08
diploI've saved so much money on kids not breaking DVD's :)12:08
MooDooI'm just using mine for my vps server12:10
popeymy btrfs drive is mostly knackered12:12
popeyuhm12:21
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awilkinsdiplo, I keep intending to rip all my DVDs and loft them12:29
awilkinsBut it would mean upgrading all my infrastructure..12:29
awilkinsMy current media rig is a CRT TV connected to a 15 year old MythTV box (rocking a Sempron)12:30
diploI've done mine over the last few years12:30
awilkinsIDE drives12:30
diploAh right :D12:30
awilkinsAnd the CPU gets a bit warm if you don't underclock it12:30
awilkinsI'd have to upgrade the MythTV box12:31
awilkinsWhich means I'd then have to upgrade the TV12:31
awilkinsI suppose in this day and age that means less than a grand12:31
awilkinsJust the TV and VCR were £700 when I got them12:31
diploI need lots of new things too, but the Revo media box works well with XBMC12:32
diploBought the microserver cheap a few years ago12:32
ali1234why would you have to upgrade the tv12:46
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knightwiseyoyo13:09
MooDoohowdy knightwise13:11
knightwisehey MooDoo13:14
knightwiseim on my phone over ssh .. so13:14
knightwisebut slow13:14
knightwiseand lots of typos13:15
popey13:19
shaunoboy it's evil Out There.  do not advise.  Outside highly overrated.13:30
ThomasRedstoneali1234, connecting TVs that old to modern computers isn't trivial... Trouble is, TVs these days don't seem to last 15 years...13:31
ali1234i'm surprised there are still working CRTs to be honest13:32
ali1234all of mine died years ago13:32
daftykinsheh, just got called up to a pal doing a presentation in a fancy hotel about 2 mins walk from here, she couldn't open a powerpoint13:35
daftykinsturns out they were trying to open the ._blah.pptx files macs create, rather than the real thing13:35
daftykinsglad it was close 'cause i dragged myself up there with a spare laptop, sick as i am :P13:36
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AzelphurHey folks, new laptop with Xubuntu 14.10, installed bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia prims linux-headers-generic, primusrun glxgears says "Bumblebee daemon reported: error: Could not load GPU driver" any ideas?14:06
ali1234bumblebee tuna?14:06
Azelphurwat14:06
ali1234https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZcsARqmq1U14:07
daftykinsAzelphur: y'know nvidia-prime replaced bumblebee?14:07
AzelphurI did not know14:07
daftykinsi think results are still varied between the two14:07
shaunotuna?14:07
daftykinsi see lots of optimus users moaning about tearing with prime14:07
Azelphurali1234: lol14:08
shaunoI keep getting adverts for glittery pants getting slapped with a fish.  I thought google was meant to know who I am14:08
Azelphurdaftykins: so how do I run something under nvidia-prime?14:09
daftykinspass :D i just know driver package + nvidia-prime package should be gravy to get it setup14:10
davmor2Azelphur: Nvidia-prime auto selects Nvidia by default you can drop it down to power saving in nvidia-settings which then uses the intel gfx instead14:24
Azelphurdavmor2: interesting, any way I can test whether it's working? I can't see any option to switch to power saving in nvidia-settings14:25
davmor2Azelphur: you need to install nvidia-prime then open settings and goto prime profile iirc14:26
daftykinswith bumblebee already present, prime won't work / be fudged14:27
Azelphurdaftykins: I've removed all the bumblebee stuff and installed nvidia-prime, nvidia-settings only has two tabs, Application Profiles and nvidia-settings configuration.14:28
davmor2Azelphur: you need nvidia-313 or higher too14:29
daftykinsmight as well go nvidia-33114:29
davmor2whatever is highest is normally a good thing but it works with 313 and up14:29
daftykins313 isn't a real number for PPA based drivers14:30
daftykinsit's 304, 319 and 331 afaik14:30
AzelphurI see14:30
daftykins@find nvidia-14:30
AzelphurI wonder why there isn't an "install the latest version" package14:30
Azelphurseems silly14:30
daftykinshilariously 'nvidia-current' installs 304.14:30
davmor2daftykins: listed is 304, 310, 313, 319 and 33114:31
Azelphurindeed, I noticed14:31
daftykinsmore to the point, a driver that supports modern cards isn't packaged yet, so we get endless trouble with all the newcomers in #ubuntu14:31
daftykinsdavmor2: ah, my bad then.14:31
davmor2Azelphur: because nvidia only support certain cards on certain drivers so you need to install the driver for your card not necessarily the highest number14:32
davmor2Azelphur: on prime however it is possibly new enough for the highest number :)14:32
Azelphuryea but assuming the 970 is gonna be supported for a long time ;)14:33
daftykinsthe 750Ti and 9xx series need non-PPA drivers to function14:33
daftykinswho is even responsible for packaging nvidia drivers 0o this one is a major showstopper for tonnes of users14:33
Azelphurinstalled nvidia-331-updates and nvidia-prime, still same issue14:34
davmor2daftykins: tselliot14:34
ali1234my 780 works fine14:34
davmor2Azelphur: reboot14:35
daftykinsali1234: that's because it's a different generation14:35
Azelphurdavmor2: already have14:35
daftykinsthe 750 Ti is maxwell i believe14:35
ali1234it is14:35
ali1234the funny thing is that there are literally no games on linux that need a 970, or even a 78014:36
davmor2Azelphur: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics14:37
AzelphurI have all that stuff, still doesn't work :(14:40
daftykinssir, i expect more of you than an #ubuntu "IT DUN WORK!" :)14:40
Azelphurdaftykins: kinda hard to get more from it than "it doesn't work"14:40
Azelphurit's not like I get error messages out of it or anything.14:41
daftykinsXorg.0.log ? :P14:41
Azelphurand baring in mind I only found out about it 5 minutes ago, my debugging capability is somewhat limited :P14:41
Azelphurhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9748059/ nothing interesting it seems14:41
daftykinsdo you have a xorg.conf ? i dunno if bumblebee messes with one these days or no14:43
Azelphurdaftykins: nope14:44
davmor2Azelphur: maybe have a word with tselliot14:45
Azelphur?14:46
AzelphurI don't see anyone around by that name14:46
daftykinsweird, i thought you'd see more than just intel stuff14:47
daftykinsdidn't realise you have to use lightdm14:48
DJonesdaftykins: Just for info, that bug/error I mentioned last night doesn't seem to have any effect, laptop still boots with nvidia without any issue14:49
daftykinsDJones: oh wow! that is odd14:52
DJonesYup,  I think it may be running slower (in terms of FPS looking at Minecraft) but everything is working fine generally, I'll just leave it until the next update & see what happens14:53
daftykinsDJones: sure it didn't just revert to nouveau? "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"14:54
DJoneshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9748253/14:55
daftykinsnope looks good, although that's a hybrid setup too i see14:56
DJonesYes it is, nvidia/intel14:56
daftykinsyou mentioned switching between intel and nvidia last night, do you get to pick? o014:57
DJonesYes using the nvidia x server settings app, its just under prime profiles, I can select Nvidia (Performance mode) or Intel (Power saving mode)14:58
DJoneshttp://imgur.com/dTB0LHb14:59
daftykinsah i see15:03
daftykinsjust what Azelphur is after!15:03
DJonesAh, if he wants more screenshots of the app, give me a shout15:04
Azelphurdaftykins: I definitely don't have those options15:04
AzelphurI literally only have two options :(15:04
DJonesI'll upload some more screenshots15:05
AzelphurI only have the bottom two options (application profiles and nvidia-settings configuration) everything else is missing from my nvidia-settings15:05
AzelphurI don't think screenshots are gonna help, but it'd be nice to know what packages you installed15:05
AzelphurDJones: also does that allow you to run specific applications under nvidia but leave the rest on the intel?15:05
daftykinscompare a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" perhaps15:05
daftykinsi take it you had full reboots between ditching bumblebee?15:06
Azelphurdaftykins: haha I just noticed I have nvidia-304 AND nvidia-331...that's probably not hhelping.15:06
DJonesAzelphur: Yes in theory,I've not tried it, but its supposed to using the application profiles15:06
DJonesFrom memory, all I installed on a clean install was nvidia-prime and nvidia-settings15:07
Azelphurhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9748471/ actually, looks like I have some other bits15:07
Azelphurwhat's rc?15:07
daftykinsremoved, configured15:08
Azelphurah15:08
AzelphurDJones: can I see your dpkg -l | grep nvidia?15:08
daftykinsi'd purge the lot sir15:08
DJonesGive me a sec15:08
Azelphursudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* ?15:08
daftykinswithout the hyphen ja15:08
DJoneshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9748483/15:09
daftykinswell, not much difference either way i guess15:09
daftykinsah the difference there is 331 vs. 331-updates15:09
DJonesI'm on 14.10, but I did the same on 14.0415:09
Azelphuryea I'll try on 33115:09
Azelphurdaftykins: I did apt-get remove --purge nvidia* and I still have a bunch of stuff which is rc15:10
DJonesAzelphur: Could that be from the bumblebee-nvidia?15:10
daftykinswell, hopefully you have everything bumblebee related off there15:11
daftykinsi'd probably reboot before installing anything further to replace too, as ridiculous as that may seem15:11
DJones1st line of Azelphur's paste was a bumblebee-nvidia15:11
Azelphuraha fixed it :)15:12
Azelphurat least, the rc stuff not the nvidia stuff15:12
daftykinsDJones: yep but i wasn't sure whether to be worried about a removed but configured package15:13
Azelphurdaftykins / DJones I got the exact same packages and still no entries in nvidia-settings15:20
AzelphurI wonder if 331 is new enough for a 970?15:20
daftykinshang on a minute15:20
daftykinsthis laptop is a 970m ?15:21
Azelphuryup15:21
daftykinsi should probably have started with asking what hardware it is XD15:21
Azelphurhehe15:21
daftykinsnah the 331 doesn't support that afaik15:21
daftykinsyou'll need 340 from the website or xorg-edgers15:21
daftykinsi don't know if they need to be modified in any way to run with prime15:21
Azelphurah right, xorg-edgers it is15:22
daftykinsi don't know if they have a prime package too though, so proceed with caution :>15:23
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Azelphurits working \o/15:29
daftykinsawww yeah15:31
daftykinsif only i'd started from the beginning that could've saved some fun :(15:31
DJonesAzelphur: switchable nvidia/intel as well?15:32
diddledan*yawn*16:12
Myrttisome more soldering done.16:12
Myrttigot the more handshaky bits done before darkness fell16:12
Myrttiyay.16:12
diddledanMyrtti, you rock it girl! :-p16:12
diddledanwell done! :-D16:13
diddledanI haven't soldered since I was a teen16:13
diddledanI need to find something interesting to get my teeth into that will encourage me to start again16:13
Myrttiyeah, I've had a few projects in mind for both sewable and soldering projects but never really got anything that piqued my interest until this summer16:15
bashrcThe wearable stuff looks like fun, but sadly these days I don't have so much time16:16
MyrttiI just ordered two meters of 1.2mm white heat shrink from ebay and about 45 minutes later realised I don't need it.16:18
Myrttioh well.16:18
diddledangoogle slapped microsoft a second time before the tuesday (yesterday) patch releases: http://grahamcluley.com/2015/01/google-discloses-microsoft-windows-vulnerability16:25
awilkinsExploit WAR!16:29
awilkinsWebView exploit affecting 4.3 ....16:29
diddledanyeah, ref: http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/google-endangers-900-million-android-smartphones-by-refusing-to-patch-webview-11170.html16:31
ali1234pls stop linking to graham clueless16:59
daftykinshaha17:00
daftykinshe did get a bit too big for his britches didn't he?17:00
diddledansorry, it's only because he emails me a lot17:02
diddledanhe seems to be the only guy to write security things these days - absolutely bloomin everywhere!17:02
diddledanhow about lesbians instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_N36YpApQA17:03
ali1234buzzfeed? reeeaaaaally?17:06
diddledanyoutube emailed me, and I clicked - I didn't look to see who posted it17:09
diddledanoh god. facebook just reminded me that BSG was 10 years ago17:10
diddledannow I feel old17:10
diddledanyou can't moan about al murray, can you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tADgYkAfXro17:11
ThomasRedstone1p pints!!! Nice!17:17
ThomasRedstoneoff home now! Bye!17:20
daftykinso/17:24
davmor2Azelphur: you just needed the newer nvidia drivers then in the end?17:28
diddledankittycuddle: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7U7S1GIEAIUJzv.jpg:large17:31
popeyawwwww17:32
daftykinsdiddledan: or disposing of the competition?17:32
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AzelphurDoes anyone know if the new nvidia-prime stuff will let you set up profiles to run games under nvidia while leaving everything else to Intel?18:36
DJonesAzelphur: Just found this, not sure if it tells you enough though https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Creating_Application_Profiles18:45
AzelphurDJones: that doesn't allow for toggling of the card by the look of it I think only primus can do that18:48
DJonesYeah that was my impression18:48
DJonesI'm not sure, but I think bigcalm may have looked into it18:49
bigcalmHumm?18:51
bigcalmMy away proxy sense was tingling18:52
* bigcalm goes away again18:58
davmor2slaps bigcalm 's away proxy19:04
diddledanmore kittycuddle cuteness: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7VkhTtIQAETjms.jpg:large21:28
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zmoylan-pimoggies looking moody https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7V0_vzCYAEv21T.jpg21:39
daftykinszmoylan-pi: :D21:58
mappsgrmpf21:59
mappsso pi crashed and noone can restart it21:59
zmoylan-pisounds like the card went corrupt?21:59
daftykinsagain! you must be doing something odd like using an insufficient power supply for whatever's connected21:59
daftykinszmoylan-pi would know though ;)22:00
mappsoh i mean noone can restart as noione's there22:00
mappsheh22:00
zmoylan-pithe pi b could be tempermental about power if you used too little22:00
mappsdad left this morning before i could ask him to restart it22:00
mappscould it simply be i had too much running?22:00
mappsopenvpn/pptp vpn/apache etc22:00
zmoylan-piso you want 2 pis there in future each with option to kill power of the other :-)22:01
mappsthe 2nd pi i have at my dads place doesnt seem to crash like this22:01
mapps?22:11
daftykinsmore reliable card? *shrug*22:17
daftykinspower stats on the supply, as above? etc22:17

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