[00:00] Quick question if you don't mind... [00:00] Got a new monitor, so that mean I would have 3 monitors. [00:00] uhuh [00:00] You have the math [00:01] Previous setup - 1080 screen and a older viewsonic screen at 1280x1024 - dual screen is fine, no issues (old is DVI, new is HDMI) [00:01] new monitor - using displayport, it's a 1080 screen. [00:01] On its own, works fine. It simply will not play nicely with the other two screens in any configuration. [00:02] the new monitor is capable of 144Hz refresh rate if that make any difference? [00:02] oh and graphics is nvidia [00:02] any clues as to what might be the problem? [00:02] nvidia [00:03] I've used 3 screens with nvidia without any problem in the past though? [00:04] I don't know how out of date my info is but I recall there being a thing that nvidia crippled their cards or drivers to only support two monitors [00:04] okay... [00:04] Still don't know the question, but, have you tried disconnecting one of the other monitors and seeing if it works with the new one, and one of the old ones? [00:05] or maybe IRC has a very long lag for me right now... [00:05] ThomasRedstone, I should really have thought of doing that. I'll disconnect the old one and see. [00:06] Are you certain it supports 3 monitors? I know my laptop doesn't, so I have to turn the built in display off when I work with my dual monitor setup [00:06] i thought they crippled to only support 3 [00:07] It's a desktop PC by the way but that would be friggin' annoying if they did cripple to support just 2 screen considering I bought the new one to have 2 screens. [00:07] 3 screens I mean. [00:07] It's fine on Windows after all but I'll really rather not use that. [00:09] ah, if it works on Windows, it's not a hardware limitation, though it could potentially still be lower level, like drivers, but who knows... [00:09] anyway, I'm off to bed! Night all [00:11] no hardware limits - the graphics card - gtx970 support up to 4 screens. [00:11] pulled out old monitor and it's happy with 2 screens once again. [00:11] I'll plug that in now live. [00:14] Hmm OK. [00:14] I really should have done what ThomasRedstone suggested...it seems that if I unplug the old monitor, setup dual screen with the 2 HD screens, and then plug in old monitor and it can then be added as a 3rd screen. [00:15] Panic's over folks, it's working (so far, I have yet to reboot and see what happens) [00:15] odd [00:16] oh well at least it almost works as planned - it might require hotplugging ever time though which would be a nuisance [00:16] no wait... [00:16] new problem...it now doesn't work...yes I spoke too screen. Sigh... [00:17] there was an error message, but I hit enter while that was active so didn't read what it said and new screen is off. I'll restart and see if I can see the error message again. [00:20] Ah - it all works fine. I do get an error message that shows up: "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied. could not set the configuration for CRTC 443" [00:20] Just a close button on that. [00:21] Funny thing is that it works just fine with 3 screens, but if I click on Close on the error message, I lose the middle screen and it all get screwy. [00:23] OK - new advice please ladies and gentlemen - what's the best way I can collect a log of all this so that I could submit it as a bug report if not already exists? [00:23] I mean..what do I need? /var/log/xorg.log anything else? [00:26] there is an nvidia bug report tool which does it for you [00:28] Thanks. I assume it should go to nvidia rather than Ubuntu since I'm using nvidia drivers? [00:29] you donwloaded from nvidia.com? [00:29] if so, they have a bug reporting script and details on their forums [00:29] xorg-edgers ppa [00:30] ah [00:31] I'd follow the nvidia process [00:31] Memory's a tad vague but I think I started using xorg-edgers because the offical nvidia drivers that come with ubuntu official sources didn't support the maxwell GPU [00:31] there's little we can do with the closed driver [00:31] Aye, I figured. [00:42] :-o http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/nation-in-shock-as-cadburys-changes-the-creme-egg-recipe-9971856.html [01:00] oh. "mainstream support for windows 7 ends today" <-- I'm assuming that's the pre-sp version [01:01] i think it's looking to promote paid for service patches [01:07] lol: http://gizmodo.com/blackhat-alllmost-gets-hacking-right-1679233206 [01:07] I still want to watch it tho [01:07] I like the comments section [01:09] """Sure, but all it takes is one careless idiot who's late for a meeting and just HAS to get that report printed right now to fuck it up for everyone. That's the simple genius of phishing scams. It doesn't matter how tall the castle walls are if you can get some moron to raise the portcullis and lower the drawbridge." [01:10] language [01:10] sorry, I should have vetted it a bit better === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [05:18] morning [05:32] * zmoylan-pi opens one eye to confirm, doesn't like the view and closes the eye again [05:36] sup:D [05:36] actually been asleep for once eh? [05:36] normally you and daftykins and diddledan seem to be here all the time [05:36] oh and shauno :) [05:38] nah, i'm awake, coughing lungs up. thank goodness for lozenges easing cough [05:52] not all the time, just the weird hours you keep :) [05:58] yea but u all stay up when you have work in the morning [05:58] im here when ive finished work;p [06:36] ;] [06:40] looks like my pi might have crashed again [06:40] argh [06:44] what was it running at the time? [06:47] morning è [06:47] * knightwise is still fighting with Retropie :) [06:53] openvpn/apache [06:53] and a pptp vpn [06:54] i cant see it so cant check logs..dunno if its totally crashed or just networking stack? [06:54] but i cant ssh to it or anything [06:54] if i get it rebooted..will there be any logs i can check? someone said before theyd be gone upon reboot [08:11] moin [08:17] http://moinmo.in/ === Guest84771 is now known as MooDoo [08:19] morning all === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:12] Morning all [09:14] morning [09:21] MooDoo: is all the snow melted up your way? [09:30] davmor2: haven't had any [09:32] MooDoo: :( [09:35] supposed to have a little flurry at some point but nothing major, was a bit frosty this morning, but that's about it [09:36] Good morning all; happy Organise Your Home Day! :-D [09:37] I did that yesterday. [09:37] My books are in a neat bookshelf that makes me happy every time I look at it. [09:39] Normally I would follow on in the spirit of yesterday and be very skeptical about my chances of organising my home, but I've also been doing exactly that the last couple of days. [09:40] In fact, nigelb, I also re-organised the books in my bookshelf last night. [09:40] \o/ [09:40] I realized sadly that I have far little books than I thought. [09:40] ~100 [09:40] rather than the 200 or so I thought. [09:40] * davmor2 spent the holiday organising his office does that count JamesTait ? [09:41] I only knew them as "needs 5 cardboard boxes" [09:41] davmor2, YES! [09:41] \o/ [09:41] nigelb, I discovered that The Fifth Elephant seems to have wandered off somewhere. [09:42] the conference? [09:42] Oh, the book! [09:42] JamesTait: I have not yet bought into the Prachett world. [09:42] I have two books, not yet read them. [09:42] Last night I thoguht I'd read to bed. [09:42] * bashrc never bought into the Prachett world [09:43] Bad idea: Stayed up most of the night reading the book instead of sleeping. [09:43] I'm working through the Discworld series with my eldest son atm. [09:43] He starts off as funny but pretty standard fantasy spoof humour [09:43] He develops a lot of heart and insight later on [09:44] His recent work has started to show the signs of his condition which is really sad === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:05] morning boys and girls. [10:17] morning brobostigon [10:17] morning MooDoo [10:20] brobostigon, o/ [10:20] morning JamesTait === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === cking_ is now known as cking === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:02] Afternoon girls and boys [12:02] pip pip [12:03] howdy diplo [12:03] Got myself a new 4TB drive, just wondering the best way to partition it as fdisk doesn't support >2TB [12:03] Any pointers to sites would be great, gdisk seems to be the option I can find so far [12:03] gparted does [12:03] Ah right, parted is the CLI version isn't it ? [12:03] just needs a bigger partition table [12:03] gpt [12:04] yeah, never had an issue as I've always done something this large under raid normally, first time I've used a single large disk [12:04] Just want to do it right until I can afford two more drives [12:05] Ah seems simple enough with parted ta [12:05] i have two 4TB drives arriving this week [12:06] need to think about how to partition them.. [12:06] I'm looking at 2TB wd red drives for my servers [12:07] I'm going with one big one for now, and next month hopefully buy two more drives and may make a btrfs set up [12:07] my storage needs are quite modest. I don't save a lot of video and mostly I'm just producing text. [12:08] I rip all my DVDs to video for media centre, 500-600 films [12:08] I've saved so much money on kids not breaking DVD's :) [12:10] I'm just using mine for my vps server [12:12] my btrfs drive is mostly knackered [12:21] uhm === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:29] diplo, I keep intending to rip all my DVDs and loft them [12:29] But it would mean upgrading all my infrastructure.. [12:30] My current media rig is a CRT TV connected to a 15 year old MythTV box (rocking a Sempron) [12:30] I've done mine over the last few years [12:30] IDE drives [12:30] Ah right :D [12:30] And the CPU gets a bit warm if you don't underclock it [12:31] I'd have to upgrade the MythTV box [12:31] Which means I'd then have to upgrade the TV [12:31] I suppose in this day and age that means less than a grand [12:31] Just the TV and VCR were £700 when I got them [12:32] I need lots of new things too, but the Revo media box works well with XBMC [12:32] Bought the microserver cheap a few years ago [12:46] why would you have to upgrade the tv === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:09] yoyo [13:11] howdy knightwise [13:14] hey MooDoo [13:14] im on my phone over ssh .. so [13:14] but slow [13:15] and lots of typos [13:19] ☃ [13:30] boy it's evil Out There. do not advise. Outside highly overrated. [13:31] ali1234, connecting TVs that old to modern computers isn't trivial... Trouble is, TVs these days don't seem to last 15 years... [13:32] i'm surprised there are still working CRTs to be honest [13:32] all of mine died years ago [13:35] heh, just got called up to a pal doing a presentation in a fancy hotel about 2 mins walk from here, she couldn't open a powerpoint [13:35] turns out they were trying to open the ._blah.pptx files macs create, rather than the real thing [13:36] glad it was close 'cause i dragged myself up there with a spare laptop, sick as i am :P === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:06] Hey folks, new laptop with Xubuntu 14.10, installed bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia prims linux-headers-generic, primusrun glxgears says "Bumblebee daemon reported: error: Could not load GPU driver" any ideas? [14:06] bumblebee tuna? [14:06] wat [14:07] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZcsARqmq1U [14:07] Azelphur: y'know nvidia-prime replaced bumblebee? [14:07] I did not know [14:07] i think results are still varied between the two [14:07] tuna? [14:07] i see lots of optimus users moaning about tearing with prime [14:08] ali1234: lol [14:08] I keep getting adverts for glittery pants getting slapped with a fish. I thought google was meant to know who I am [14:09] daftykins: so how do I run something under nvidia-prime? [14:10] pass :D i just know driver package + nvidia-prime package should be gravy to get it setup [14:24] Azelphur: Nvidia-prime auto selects Nvidia by default you can drop it down to power saving in nvidia-settings which then uses the intel gfx instead [14:25] davmor2: interesting, any way I can test whether it's working? I can't see any option to switch to power saving in nvidia-settings [14:26] Azelphur: you need to install nvidia-prime then open settings and goto prime profile iirc [14:27] with bumblebee already present, prime won't work / be fudged [14:28] daftykins: I've removed all the bumblebee stuff and installed nvidia-prime, nvidia-settings only has two tabs, Application Profiles and nvidia-settings configuration. [14:29] Azelphur: you need nvidia-313 or higher too [14:29] might as well go nvidia-331 [14:29] whatever is highest is normally a good thing but it works with 313 and up [14:30] 313 isn't a real number for PPA based drivers [14:30] it's 304, 319 and 331 afaik [14:30] I see [14:30] @find nvidia- [14:30] I wonder why there isn't an "install the latest version" package [14:30] seems silly [14:30] hilariously 'nvidia-current' installs 304. [14:31] daftykins: listed is 304, 310, 313, 319 and 331 [14:31] indeed, I noticed [14:31] more to the point, a driver that supports modern cards isn't packaged yet, so we get endless trouble with all the newcomers in #ubuntu [14:31] davmor2: ah, my bad then. [14:32] Azelphur: because nvidia only support certain cards on certain drivers so you need to install the driver for your card not necessarily the highest number [14:32] Azelphur: on prime however it is possibly new enough for the highest number :) [14:33] yea but assuming the 970 is gonna be supported for a long time ;) [14:33] the 750Ti and 9xx series need non-PPA drivers to function [14:33] who is even responsible for packaging nvidia drivers 0o this one is a major showstopper for tonnes of users [14:34] installed nvidia-331-updates and nvidia-prime, still same issue [14:34] daftykins: tselliot [14:34] my 780 works fine [14:35] Azelphur: reboot [14:35] ali1234: that's because it's a different generation [14:35] davmor2: already have [14:35] the 750 Ti is maxwell i believe [14:35] it is [14:36] the funny thing is that there are literally no games on linux that need a 970, or even a 780 [14:37] Azelphur: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics [14:40] I have all that stuff, still doesn't work :( [14:40] sir, i expect more of you than an #ubuntu "IT DUN WORK!" :) [14:40] daftykins: kinda hard to get more from it than "it doesn't work" [14:41] it's not like I get error messages out of it or anything. [14:41] Xorg.0.log ? :P [14:41] and baring in mind I only found out about it 5 minutes ago, my debugging capability is somewhat limited :P [14:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/9748059/ nothing interesting it seems [14:43] do you have a xorg.conf ? i dunno if bumblebee messes with one these days or no [14:44] daftykins: nope [14:45] Azelphur: maybe have a word with tselliot [14:46] ? [14:46] I don't see anyone around by that name [14:47] weird, i thought you'd see more than just intel stuff [14:48] didn't realise you have to use lightdm [14:49] daftykins: Just for info, that bug/error I mentioned last night doesn't seem to have any effect, laptop still boots with nvidia without any issue [14:52] DJones: oh wow! that is odd [14:53] Yup, I think it may be running slower (in terms of FPS looking at Minecraft) but everything is working fine generally, I'll just leave it until the next update & see what happens [14:54] DJones: sure it didn't just revert to nouveau? "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" [14:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/9748253/ [14:56] nope looks good, although that's a hybrid setup too i see [14:56] Yes it is, nvidia/intel [14:57] you mentioned switching between intel and nvidia last night, do you get to pick? o0 [14:58] Yes using the nvidia x server settings app, its just under prime profiles, I can select Nvidia (Performance mode) or Intel (Power saving mode) [14:59] http://imgur.com/dTB0LHb [15:03] ah i see [15:03] just what Azelphur is after! [15:04] Ah, if he wants more screenshots of the app, give me a shout [15:04] daftykins: I definitely don't have those options [15:04] I literally only have two options :( [15:05] I'll upload some more screenshots [15:05] I only have the bottom two options (application profiles and nvidia-settings configuration) everything else is missing from my nvidia-settings [15:05] I don't think screenshots are gonna help, but it'd be nice to know what packages you installed [15:05] DJones: also does that allow you to run specific applications under nvidia but leave the rest on the intel? [15:05] compare a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" perhaps [15:06] i take it you had full reboots between ditching bumblebee? [15:06] daftykins: haha I just noticed I have nvidia-304 AND nvidia-331...that's probably not hhelping. [15:06] Azelphur: Yes in theory,I've not tried it, but its supposed to using the application profiles [15:07] From memory, all I installed on a clean install was nvidia-prime and nvidia-settings [15:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/9748471/ actually, looks like I have some other bits [15:07] what's rc? [15:08] removed, configured [15:08] ah [15:08] DJones: can I see your dpkg -l | grep nvidia? [15:08] i'd purge the lot sir [15:08] Give me a sec [15:08] sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* ? [15:08] without the hyphen ja [15:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/9748483/ [15:09] well, not much difference either way i guess [15:09] ah the difference there is 331 vs. 331-updates [15:09] I'm on 14.10, but I did the same on 14.04 [15:09] yea I'll try on 331 [15:10] daftykins: I did apt-get remove --purge nvidia* and I still have a bunch of stuff which is rc [15:10] Azelphur: Could that be from the bumblebee-nvidia? [15:11] well, hopefully you have everything bumblebee related off there [15:11] i'd probably reboot before installing anything further to replace too, as ridiculous as that may seem [15:11] 1st line of Azelphur's paste was a bumblebee-nvidia [15:12] aha fixed it :) [15:12] at least, the rc stuff not the nvidia stuff [15:13] DJones: yep but i wasn't sure whether to be worried about a removed but configured package [15:20] daftykins / DJones I got the exact same packages and still no entries in nvidia-settings [15:20] I wonder if 331 is new enough for a 970? [15:20] hang on a minute [15:21] this laptop is a 970m ? [15:21] yup [15:21] i should probably have started with asking what hardware it is XD [15:21] hehe [15:21] nah the 331 doesn't support that afaik [15:21] you'll need 340 from the website or xorg-edgers [15:21] i don't know if they need to be modified in any way to run with prime [15:22] ah right, xorg-edgers it is [15:23] i don't know if they have a prime package too though, so proceed with caution :> === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:29] its working \o/ [15:31] awww yeah [15:31] if only i'd started from the beginning that could've saved some fun :( [15:32] Azelphur: switchable nvidia/intel as well? [16:12] *yawn* [16:12] some more soldering done. [16:12] got the more handshaky bits done before darkness fell [16:12] yay. [16:12] Myrtti, you rock it girl! :-p [16:13] well done! :-D [16:13] I haven't soldered since I was a teen [16:13] I need to find something interesting to get my teeth into that will encourage me to start again [16:15] yeah, I've had a few projects in mind for both sewable and soldering projects but never really got anything that piqued my interest until this summer [16:16] The wearable stuff looks like fun, but sadly these days I don't have so much time [16:18] I just ordered two meters of 1.2mm white heat shrink from ebay and about 45 minutes later realised I don't need it. [16:18] oh well. [16:25] google slapped microsoft a second time before the tuesday (yesterday) patch releases: http://grahamcluley.com/2015/01/google-discloses-microsoft-windows-vulnerability [16:29] Exploit WAR! [16:29] WebView exploit affecting 4.3 .... [16:31] yeah, ref: http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/google-endangers-900-million-android-smartphones-by-refusing-to-patch-webview-11170.html [16:59] pls stop linking to graham clueless [17:00] haha [17:00] he did get a bit too big for his britches didn't he? [17:02] sorry, it's only because he emails me a lot [17:02] he seems to be the only guy to write security things these days - absolutely bloomin everywhere! [17:03] how about lesbians instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_N36YpApQA [17:06] buzzfeed? reeeaaaaally? [17:09] youtube emailed me, and I clicked - I didn't look to see who posted it [17:10] oh god. facebook just reminded me that BSG was 10 years ago [17:10] now I feel old [17:11] you can't moan about al murray, can you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tADgYkAfXro [17:17] 1p pints!!! Nice! [17:20] off home now! Bye! [17:24] o/ [17:28] Azelphur: you just needed the newer nvidia drivers then in the end? [17:31] kittycuddle: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7U7S1GIEAIUJzv.jpg:large [17:32] awwwww [17:32] diddledan: or disposing of the competition? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:36] Does anyone know if the new nvidia-prime stuff will let you set up profiles to run games under nvidia while leaving everything else to Intel? [18:45] Azelphur: Just found this, not sure if it tells you enough though https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Creating_Application_Profiles [18:48] DJones: that doesn't allow for toggling of the card by the look of it I think only primus can do that [18:48] Yeah that was my impression [18:49] I'm not sure, but I think bigcalm may have looked into it [18:51] Humm? [18:52] My away proxy sense was tingling [18:58] * bigcalm goes away again [19:04] slaps bigcalm 's away proxy [21:28] more kittycuddle cuteness: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7VkhTtIQAETjms.jpg:large === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [21:39] moggies looking moody https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7V0_vzCYAEv21T.jpg [21:58] zmoylan-pi: :D [21:59] grmpf [21:59] so pi crashed and noone can restart it [21:59] sounds like the card went corrupt? [21:59] again! you must be doing something odd like using an insufficient power supply for whatever's connected [22:00] zmoylan-pi would know though ;) [22:00] oh i mean noone can restart as noione's there [22:00] heh [22:00] the pi b could be tempermental about power if you used too little [22:00] dad left this morning before i could ask him to restart it [22:00] could it simply be i had too much running? [22:00] openvpn/pptp vpn/apache etc [22:01] so you want 2 pis there in future each with option to kill power of the other :-) [22:01] the 2nd pi i have at my dads place doesnt seem to crash like this [22:11] ? [22:17] more reliable card? *shrug* [22:17] power stats on the supply, as above? etc