| === J21_ is now known as J21 | ||
| bluesabre | ochosi: broken in the printer dialog as well | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | ochosi: not sure if you're interested at this point, but do you want to give my latest light-locker-settings a spin? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk/revision/121 | 03:10 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: feel free to drop it from the seed, I'll get it sponsored normally as needed when I think its good to go | 03:10 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: aware of any missing icons? I've spotted a few and can bug you about them | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: icon, and if you think the highlight on the popover seems odd http://imgur.com/Nv4RoSa | 03:15 |
| === elfy is now known as Guest52375 | ||
| === Guest52375 is now known as forestpiskie | ||
| === forestpiskie is now known as elfy | ||
| ochosi | bluesabre: well obviously, you always need to tell me about missing icons! | 07:37 |
| ochosi | oh right, hm, they obviously fixed file-roller showing a headerbar meanwhile (thanks Laney) | 07:42 |
| Unit193 | Oh? | 07:46 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 07:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: pushed a fix for the popovers in greybird and found that missing cog (that must've changed names somehow, cause it worked when file-roller still had a headerbar) | 07:56 |
| ochosi | since i did the release of greybird, quite a few patches have accumulated already... | 07:57 |
| ochosi | i guess i'll have to do a point release quite soon | 07:57 |
| lazybear_ | hello, здесь кто-нибудь говорит по-русски?... | 09:02 |
| ochosi | not sure whether that's russian or some other slavic language, however we speak english in here | 09:03 |
| ochosi | !ru | 09:03 |
| ochosi | hrm | 09:03 |
| ubottu | Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. | 09:03 |
| ochosi | elfy: btw, that problem with xfpm's settings not being applied to X11 was resolved by me resetting xfpm's settings in xfce4-settings-editor (right click the xfpm item in the left column and hit reset) | 09:12 |
| lazybear_ | ty for help. I will join ru channel. | 09:15 |
| Unit193 | apt-offline 1.6 uploaded to experimental: https://tracker.debian.org/news/671624 | 10:37 |
| brainwash | ali1234: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/sadface.php :( | 11:41 |
| ali1234 | why you show me this? | 11:42 |
| brainwash | it's a nice picture of a broken root background | 11:43 |
| ali1234 | it's a bug in whatever display manager is being used | 11:43 |
| ali1234 | it's clearly not lightdm-gtk-greeter therefore it's not our problem | 11:43 |
| brainwash | so lightdm-gtk-greeter corrupts the background? it's fine while the the login screen is active, and breaks sometimes after login (~25%) | 11:44 |
| ali1234 | no, lightdm-gtk-greeter does not corrupt the background | 11:44 |
| brainwash | it's xubuntu 15.04 + open source radeon driver | 11:45 |
| brainwash | I did not notice this in 14.04 or 14.10 | 11:45 |
| ali1234 | so it's a driver bug then | 11:45 |
| ali1234 | why is there a picture of a clock in the bottom left corner? | 11:46 |
| brainwash | why the randomness? it works in most cases | 11:46 |
| brainwash | that's a custom panel setup | 11:46 |
| brainwash | if it happens randomly, then it should be fixable, or? | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | sure. just fix the radeon driver | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | or, preferably, stop buying AMD graphics hardware because it doesn't work properly | 11:47 |
| brainwash | it did before :/ | 11:47 |
| brainwash | sad face | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | none of the open source drivers is at all reliable | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | intel driver has had a bug that corrupts the screen for years | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | nouveau crashes constantly | 11:49 |
| brainwash | maybe radeon is now sharing bugs with nouveau (which corrupted the background in previous releases) | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | probably | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | try fglrx | 11:50 |
| brainwash | I will | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | what do you see if you kill xfdesktop? | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | please disable xfdesktop when testing because it also messes with the background | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | actually xfdesktop might be the problem | 11:54 |
| brainwash | xfdesktop usually restores the background (picture). I test and disable it | 11:54 |
| ali1234 | i think i might see the problem | 11:58 |
| brainwash | ali1234: I disabled xfdesktop and it still happens | 11:59 |
| ali1234 | oh | 11:59 |
| ali1234 | well does it stay after everything else loaded up? | 11:59 |
| brainwash | it happens with xfwm4 + built-in compositor and xfwm4 + compton | 11:59 |
| ali1234 | what happens? | 11:59 |
| brainwash | yes, it stays broken/scrambled (without xfdesktop) | 11:59 |
| brainwash | the root background | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | you can't see the root background when compositing is enabled | 12:00 |
| brainwash | it breaks immediately after the greeter disappears | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | xfwm opens a fullscreen window with a copy of the real root background in it | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | so the problem must be with the greeter then | 12:01 |
| brainwash | yes, the copied root background picture I meam | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | and xfwm is just copying the garbage | 12:01 |
| brainwash | ah, yeah | 12:02 |
| brainwash | maybe something changed in the greeter code recently | 12:02 |
| ali1234 | no | 12:02 |
| brainwash | some parts have been rewritten by the new maintainer | 12:02 |
| ali1234 | which parts? | 12:03 |
| brainwash | no idea, but I will test an older version later | 12:03 |
| brainwash | the utopic one, or even trusty | 12:03 |
| brainwash | in vivid | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | yes the greeter background code has been rewritten | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | the retain permanent code has been totally removed | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | so everyone will get this annoying shitty bug | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | thanks, new maintainer | 12:05 |
| knome | tut tut | 12:06 |
| brainwash | ali1234: oh.. just tested without compositor and the bug was also triggered | 12:07 |
| ali1234 | yes it would be | 12:08 |
| ali1234 | the new code doesn't draw anything into the root window | 12:08 |
| brainwash | yeah, you've explained it | 12:08 |
| ali1234 | so it's just full of garbage | 12:08 |
| brainwash | :( | 12:08 |
| ochosi | well, can be fixed easily thouh | 12:08 |
| ochosi | gh | 12:08 |
| brainwash | ali1234: are you going to file a bug report? | 12:09 |
| ali1234 | yes | 12:09 |
| brainwash | ok, thanks | 12:10 |
| ochosi | ali1234: you can also just file a MR and i'll take care of that | 12:10 |
| ali1234 | i don't even know where to start | 12:10 |
| ochosi | but yeah, in case you don't a report is probably good | 12:10 |
| ali1234 | the retain permanent code is totally deleted | 12:10 |
| ochosi | then also link it to -v-bugs | 12:10 |
| ali1234 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/revision/295 | 12:10 |
| slickymasterWork | elfy, today's daily is uninstallable -> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/ubiquity.php | 12:12 |
| slickymasterWork | the problem is with ubi-console-setup.py | 12:12 |
| ali1234 | going for lunch then i will fix this | 12:12 |
| slickymasterWork | it works in live session though | 12:13 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: does the panel in ubiquity work as expected though? | 12:13 |
| slickymasterWork | nopes | 12:13 |
| ali1234 | also if i find the greeter leaking pixmaps again i am going to be unhappy | 12:13 |
| slickymasterWork | I'm now trying to retrieve the content of /var/log/syslog | 12:14 |
| === qwebirc681520 is now known as slickymasterWork | ||
| elfy | slickymasterWork: bug 1408495 | 12:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1408495 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Vivid) "Ubiquity crashes prior to keyboard configuration in 15.04" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1408495 | 12:42 |
| brainwash | bluesabre, ochosi: new comments -> bugs 1307545 | 13:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 | 13:15 |
| brainwash | b3nmore claims that the default value for logind-handle-lid-switch is wrong in utopic | 13:15 |
| brainwash | now with those new details we should be able to identify what's broken | 13:17 |
| ali1234 | okay, the retain permanent stuff was moved to a different file | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | but it doesn't work any more for some reason | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | 19222 al 20 0 19.146g 9.908g 5512 S 10.3 63.2 299:00.22 mousepad | 14:27 |
| ali1234 | i think we have a problem :( | 14:27 |
| ali1234 | on the bright side at least the computer isn't totally dying as soon as i hit swap | 14:28 |
| ochosi | ali1234: tiny leaky-leak in mousepad? :} | 14:41 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i dunno what happened | 14:41 |
| ochosi | maybe rename it to elephantpad then | 14:41 |
| ochosi | largest footprint in town! | 14:41 |
| ali1234 | the weird thing is it wasn't growing | 14:42 |
| ochosi | really odd though, i presume you only opened text-documents with it | 14:42 |
| ali1234 | and it's been like that for a couple of days | 14:42 |
| ali1234 | i've been wondering why my computer is slow for about a week now | 14:42 |
| ochosi | hehe | 14:43 |
| ali1234 | so i'm looking at this lightdm code | 14:44 |
| ali1234 | it looks reasonable but it doesn't work | 14:46 |
| ali1234 | master doesn't even build | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | ./configure: line 11669: syntax error near unexpected token `0.9.5' | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | ./configure: line 11669: `GOBJECT_INTROSPECTION_CHECK(0.9.5)' | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | i can't do anything until that is fixed | 14:54 |
| brainwash | ali1234: the greeter package in vivid is pretty outdated, so I've installed a newer one from the daily ppa (mid dec 2014) | 15:56 |
| brainwash | and the background is now fine | 15:56 |
| brainwash | now, apport detects some segfault with the newer build. I'll report it later | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | i can't even get it to build | 15:58 |
| brainwash | I haven't tried yet | 15:58 |
| brainwash | but the daily ppa is pretty outdated (maybe there weren't any changes) | 15:59 |
| brainwash | can you confirm that there is some delay after pressing the login button? it takes like 4-5sec until the greeter screen is destroyed and the actual session loads | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | no | 16:01 |
| brainwash | very odd, authentication should not take that long.. time to check the logs | 16:03 |
| brainwash | and test unity-greeter :D | 16:03 |
| brainwash | ali1234: restarting lightdm fixed it | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | so what commit is the packaged version on? | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | bug 1366534 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | bug 1366534 in Light Display Manager "lightdm lefts a11y (at-spi*) process behind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366534 | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | bug 1377743 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | bug 1377743 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "indicator services restart after every resume" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377743 | 16:29 |
| elfy | ochosi: been getting this http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-140115-164821.php when coming back from lock screen | 16:51 |
| elfy | any idea? seen it before? | 16:51 |
| elfy | or indeed anyone else :) | 16:51 |
| slickymasterWork | haven't get that one yet elfy :P | 16:52 |
| slickymasterWork | s/get/got | 16:53 |
| ochosi | elfy: never seen that before | 16:56 |
| ochosi | happens with a clean user profile too? | 16:56 |
| elfy | hard to tell as it's not a constant | 16:56 |
| elfy | I couldn't lock now and be sure to see it | 16:56 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 17:01 |
| ochosi | gotta run | 17:01 |
| ochosi | slickymasterWork: can't say for sure i'll make the meeting | 17:02 |
| ochosi | having unforeseen guests tonight | 17:02 |
| ochosi | bbl | 17:02 |
| slickymasterWork | ok ochosi | 17:02 |
| slickymasterWork | hf | 17:02 |
| elfy | forgot meeting tonight - got confused with the meeting tomorrow ... | 17:07 |
| slickymasterWork | som many meetings, so little time | 17:10 |
| fabio | xfce4-volumed: how to change the volume step size?+ | 18:28 |
| fabio | perhaps using the same alsamixer scale that is more proportional | 18:29 |
| fabio | this is a big deal with large speakers | 18:51 |
| fabio | (too loud volume from a step to one more) | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | why aren't you using indicator-sound? | 18:57 |
| elfy | would still do it in whatever incremement the system uses | 18:58 |
| elfy | I used to do it with amixer set | 18:58 |
| elfy | but now I just use the volume on the amp | 18:58 |
| fabio | alil1234 indicator-sound works only with mouse.. if i kill xfce4-volumed, the keyboard volume keys do not work anymore | 19:07 |
| fabio | works | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that's why the step is different | 19:08 |
| dkessel | please ping me too when the meeting starts - last time i missed most of it until i got a ping from someone halfway through it ;) | 19:09 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll do it dkessel ;) | 19:10 |
| elfy | so you should :p | 19:10 |
| dkessel | \o/ | 19:11 |
| slickymasterWork | if I won't elfy will poke me for sure | 19:11 |
| elfy | positively | 19:11 |
| slickymasterWork | heh | 19:11 |
| slickymasterWork | heading home -> | 19:11 |
| elfy | yea ... running off more like | 19:12 |
| elfy | dkessel: 10 minute ish warning :) | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | !team | meeting time! | 21:59 |
| ubottu | meeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 21:59 |
| knome | oh, the meeting is this late | 21:59 |
| knome | i thought i already missed it ;) | 21:59 |
| elfy | nope | 21:59 |
| elfy | it's on the wiki :D | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | no you haven't :) | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | #startmeeting | 21:59 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 21:59:51 2015 UTC. The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 21:59 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | Who's here for the meeting? | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 22:00 |
| knome | o/ | 22:00 |
| elfy | hobgoblin is | 22:00 |
| slickymaster | #chair knome pleia2 elfy | 22:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymaster | 22:00 |
| dkessel | o/ | 22:00 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, finished eating? | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | so | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | #topic Open action items | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Not started. | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | let's see | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | elfy -> talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2 | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | care to elaborate on that? | 22:02 |
| elfy | done - we're not | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | also elfy -> add proposed schedule to incentive pad (http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive) | 22:02 |
| elfy | done that | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | damn, you don't miss one ;) | 22:02 |
| pleia2 | yes, thanks elfy! | 22:02 |
| elfy | pleia2: I thought I pinged you about that - sorry if I forgot | 22:03 |
| bluesabre | Hey all | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | I think that covers it all | 22:03 |
| elfy | hi bluesabre | 22:03 |
| pleia2 | elfy: you did, I was in flu fugue state :) | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | hey bluesabre, welcome | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | moving on then | 22:03 |
| pleia2 | (on the mend now) | 22:03 |
| elfy | pleia2: oh good - thought I'd forgotten to say | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | #topic Team updates | 22:04 |
| slickymaster | pleasi don't forget to use #info | 22:04 |
| slickymaster | anyone? | 22:04 |
| elfy | #info QA - nothing much done since last meeting | 22:04 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways | 22:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways | 22:04 |
| slickymaster | knome, I think you have something | 22:04 |
| knome | slickymaster, yes, please give me some time ;) | 22:04 |
| slickymaster | okie doke | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | #info light-locker integration added to xfce4 power - manager | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | Giving up on trying to type with my phone keyboard... | 22:05 |
| slickymaster | lol | 22:05 |
| knome | #info knome worked on updating and improving the responsive design for documentation | 22:05 |
| pleia2 | #info pleia2 firmed up Global Jam Xubuntu QA event at Gandi on Sunday, February 8th (2000 - 0100 UTC) | 22:06 |
| pleia2 | would be nice to have some folks lurking around here so I can have people join and ask where to submit bugs ;) | 22:06 |
| knome | #info knome looked at exporting docbook to pdf - exports look pretty bare/bad and images are not working correctly; the exports might not be worth it since doing that requires substantially more dependencies | 22:06 |
| pleia2 | also introduce the newcomers to some Xubuntu devs (make sure you don't bite them) | 22:06 |
| slickymaster | I'm inclined to agree with you knome | 22:06 |
| slickymaster | on the conversion | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | #info light-locker-settings removed from the seed. | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | Yay | 22:07 |
| knome | #info knome and pleia2 added press/marketing contact information to xubuntu.org | 22:07 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo | 22:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo | 22:07 |
| knome | #info knome has worked hard on refreshing the website looks to match 2015/the OS | 22:07 |
| knome | #info knome created a page with all mirrors mirroring xubuntu ISOs | 22:08 |
| slickymaster | busy bee | 22:08 |
| knome | #info mirror.anl.gov (our preferred US mirror) is shutting down services on feb 1, we need to list another US mirror | 22:08 |
| knome | #info knome finalized and copied a better looking mailman info page to -devel and -users | 22:09 |
| knome | #action pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org | 22:09 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org | 22:09 |
| knome | #info knome cleaned up the processes wiki page, organizing stuff under subpages; feedback welcome on irc/mailing list | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | knome: I forget, is static.x.o stuff in a bzr repo? maybe it should be | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | I think it's not | 22:10 |
| knome | pleia2, i'll set that up | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 22:10 |
| slickymaster | I did like the new layout of the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes page | 22:10 |
| knome | #action knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content | 22:10 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content | 22:10 |
| knome | hmm, i think that's it for now for my updates | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | me too | 22:10 |
| slickymaster | is not so dense/heavy now | 22:10 |
| knome | yep, it's definitely an improvement | 22:11 |
| slickymaster | anything else? | 22:11 |
| knome | and i'll update it with the qa stuff once i find it on my email | 22:11 |
| knome | /hd | 22:11 |
| slickymaster | going once | 22:11 |
| knome | as i said, from me yes | 22:11 |
| slickymaster | going twice | 22:12 |
| slickymaster | ok | 22:12 |
| slickymaster | #topic Announcements | 22:12 |
| slickymaster | nothing from me | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | Nothing here at the time | 22:12 |
| elfy | First milestone we'll take part in is Beta 1 wk 18 | 22:13 |
| slickymaster | ok team, please be sure to take an active stand on the testing side of B1 | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | or sooner :) | 22:14 |
| elfy | bluesabre: while that reminds me - any plans to drag anything from staging into default pre-Beta | 22:14 |
| slickymaster | I presume you'll be mailing everyone (ML) prior to it elfy | 22:15 |
| elfy | oh - there is the Community Council meeting tomorrow btw | 22:15 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ofc | 22:15 |
| slickymaster | :) | 22:15 |
| Unit193 | I've already done all the testing upgrades I have. | 22:15 |
| elfy | ty :) | 22:15 |
| slickymaster | CC meeting at what time and channel elfy? | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | 1700 #ubuntu-meeting | 22:15 |
| elfy | -meeting 1700UTC | 22:15 |
| elfy | ha | 22:15 |
| bluesabre | Elfy: stable releases and any patches we want to carry. Will work with Unit193 and ochosi | 22:16 |
| elfy | beat you :D | 22:16 |
| slickymaster | thanks for the heads up on that | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | elfy: I'm just happy we agree | 22:16 |
| elfy | bluesabre: ok :) | 22:16 |
| elfy | pleia2: lol | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | it's been a long week :) | 22:16 |
| slickymaster | and we're only half way through it pleia2 :P | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | indeed | 22:16 |
| slickymaster | alrighty | 22:16 |
| elfy | not here - weekend starts tomorrow lunch time :D | 22:17 |
| knome | pleia2, is it too much to ask to tar the current assets somewhere? | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | knome: can do, sec | 22:17 |
| knome | ta | 22:17 |
| slickymaster | #topic Discussion | 22:17 |
| elfy | shall rattle on a bit about newish things | 22:17 |
| slickymaster | #subtopic Discuss replacing gnome-calculator with galculator (to get rid of CSD) | 22:17 |
| slickymaster | it's still in the agenda | 22:18 |
| elfy | I thought this was now nothing to worry about? | 22:18 |
| knome | i thought it was ok as well | 22:18 |
| elfy | still no idea what csd is | 22:18 |
| slickymaster | it wasn't removed from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meeting so I thought it was still an open item | 22:18 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't look OK here, but maybe it will later... | 22:19 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, I think the Ubuntu team is continuing to add patches to get rid of csd | 22:19 |
| elfy | no idea - forgotten - and I still don't know what csd is | 22:19 |
| elfy | so I would say leave it be :p | 22:19 |
| slickymaster | lol, will someone explain it, pretty please | 22:19 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, bluesabre ^^ | 22:20 |
| bluesabre | "Client Side Decorations" | 22:20 |
| slickymaster | thanks | 22:20 |
| Unit193 | Which means the application can decide what it's menus and stuff look like, not the window manager. | 22:20 |
| bluesabre | Basically applications are composited on their own instead of by xfwm, so it messes up integration and causes issues | 22:20 |
| elfy | aah ok - thanks :) | 22:21 |
| elfy | wasn't something else the *same* ? | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | Xfce had acceptable support for it now, but it can still be a headache | 22:22 |
| knome | fwiw, branch for static assets set up (not updated for new stuff yet) | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome | 22:22 |
| slickymaster | thanks knome | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | just a general discussion thing, I'm a bit over-committed this cycle between Real Job and other things, if anyone has interest in marketing blueprint things (like picking up with surveys) please jump in, I might not get to them | 22:23 |
| pleia2 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-marketing | 22:24 |
| elfy | looking | 22:24 |
| * slickymaster also | 22:24 | |
| knome | pleia2, i just marked one of your items to DONE today ;) | 22:24 |
| elfy | I could find some time given that qa is taking so much of my time this cycle | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | I thought I wouldn't travel as much, but it turns out I really like airplanes | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | knome: yeah! | 22:25 |
| elfy | pleia2: wing me what you have for the user survey 1 and I'll have a look | 22:25 |
| knome | i won't promise anything, but i'll be working with the flyers anyway, so getting those printed might be done by somebody else than you | 22:25 |
| slickymaster | knome, haven't you already sorted out the alignment for printing? | 22:25 |
| knome | slickymaster, mostly, see the whiteboard | 22:25 |
| elfy | given that it's in progress | 22:25 |
| slickymaster | ok | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | elfy: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-user-identifies-as | 22:26 |
| pleia2 | elfy: our last discussion on it went bikeshed, so I lost all energy | 22:26 |
| knome | :( | 22:26 |
| knome | i'm sorry | 22:26 |
| elfy | yea - kind of saw that | 22:26 |
| elfy | pleia2: I'll see if I can move it on | 22:26 |
| elfy | blueprinted me for those 2 | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | knome: no one's fault, I don't know what I'm doing survey-wise so it's hard to argue my simple-is-good points :) | 22:27 |
| knome | heh | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | thanks elfy | 22:27 |
| elfy | welcome - might motivate me a bit more than I am atm :) | 22:27 |
| knome | linked the survey pad ot the whiteboard for future reference | 22:28 |
| slickymaster | go elfy go elfy go elfy | 22:28 |
| slickymaster | good idea knome | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | brb | 22:28 |
| * slickymaster usually spends some time looking for the pad's urls | 22:28 | |
| * elfy doesn't - or just looks in his index of stuff :D | 22:29 | |
| slickymaster | anything else anyone wants to throw to the table? | 22:30 |
| slickymaster | ok, this one was a short one | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | #action pleia2 to schedule next meeting | 22:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to schedule next meeting | 22:31 |
| elfy | yea | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | #endmeeting | 22:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 22:31:35 2015 UTC. | 22:31 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-01-14-21.59.moin.txt | 22:31 |
| elfy | sorry and all that :) | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | aw man | 22:31 |
| elfy | oh good lord | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | lol | 22:31 |
| elfy | bad slickymaster :| | 22:31 |
| elfy | :p | 22:31 |
| slickymaster | no escape pleia2 | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | :) | 22:32 |
| knome | i'll do pleia2's meeting | 22:32 |
| slickymaster | now to fight the wiki | 22:32 |
| elfy | bluesabre: one of the things that maybe we could look at - the imgur in screenshots that Unit193 has - really like that | 22:32 |
| knome | pleia2, that is, if you don't necessarily want to do it... | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | knome: thanks, it's ok, I'll do it :) | 22:32 |
| knome | oki | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | back | 22:33 |
| knome | as you wish | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | will have to be next week though, because then fosdem | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | elfy: that does sound like a good one | 22:33 |
| knome | next week sounds fair, not again too many updates ;) | 22:33 |
| elfy | bluesabre: yea - but mostly what I was getting at was mousepad seems to be a bit more *advanced* in staging than the dev version - don't use parole enough to notice | 22:34 |
| elfy | but getting as many of those things in before 23rd February means they'd be there for B1 | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I think (hopefully) we'll have a new stable mousepad soon... the -staging one is pretty great compared to whats in the archive | 22:35 |
| elfy | and as well as pointing testers at milestones we can ALSO point them at those things | 22:35 |
| elfy | ofc - if they're in before - we can just point people at those - BUT | 22:35 |
| elfy | I'd like enough notice to be able to get the testcases updated :D | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | looks like feature freeze is feb 23, so we'll start pushing now | 22:36 |
| knome | yay | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | woops | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | feb 19 | 22:36 |
| knome | heh | 22:36 |
| knome | just enough time anyway | 22:36 |
| elfy | bluesabre: oh - yea ofc - so week before B1 :) | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | I'll be in Oman | 22:37 |
| knome | D: | 22:37 |
| elfy | that imgur thing's probably the thing I've missed most since the clean install I did last week | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | :D | 22:37 |
| elfy | not got Unit193's ppa in yet | 22:37 |
| knome | pleia2, o | 22:37 |
| knome | eh | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | coming home on the 20th though | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | D:D | 22:37 |
| elfy | pleia2: not an excuse :D | 22:37 |
| knome | pleia2, "o'man", says i | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | haha | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | nice | 22:38 |
| knome | pleia2, just at the right time to write release notes! | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | haha | 22:38 |
| elfy | dkessel: just a quick one - there are autopilot things on QA blueprint - do they need to be postponed? | 22:38 |
| slickymaster | minutes are (finally) up | 22:42 |
| elfy | that's quicker than I do them | 22:43 |
| slickymaster | wiki was on my side today elfy | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | stepping away for dinner, bbiab | 22:43 |
| dkessel | elfy: there is a 50% chance they need to be, i say | 22:43 |
| slickymaster | enjoy bluesabre | 22:43 |
| elfy | dkessel: ok - well I'm kinda cool with you just taking the time tbh - would be really nice to get them for the next LTS perhaps | 22:44 |
| elfy | so - mark them postponed if you need - I'll certainly not get in the way of you doing it :) | 22:45 |
| dkessel | Okidokey | 22:45 |
| elfy | might be time to try and do another mailing list post for it - I can imagine being the only person looking to be quite daunting | 22:46 |
| slickymaster | FWIW, I removed the item about replacing gnome-calculator with galculator from the discussion topic | 22:46 |
| elfy | and I do apologise that I can't help and that it's all voodoo to me :( | 22:46 |
| brainwash | should gnome-mines be replaced too? I noticed that it uses CSD too now | 22:48 |
| elfy | I'd lose games completely given the chance | 22:49 |
| brainwash | you can't do that! | 22:49 |
| slickymaster | +1 on that | 22:49 |
| elfy | +1 on can't or doing it ? | 22:50 |
| brainwash | no games? should the user play some bad browser games instead? flash ones? :> | 22:50 |
| slickymaster | getting rid of them | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | What's new in mousepad then? | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | elfy: That's a git snapshot, older one now, they want to release and just need nick to give them the permission so it should be released soon. | 22:59 |
| elfy | Unit193: imgur? | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 23:00 |
| elfy | Unit193: mousepad from my perspective is mostly enhanced menu options - obviously a text editor is a text editor | 23:00 |
| elfy | as gnome options go down ... xfce go up lol | 23:01 |
| Unit193 | Hah. :D | 23:02 |
| knome | elfy, good news, found the qa process stuff while waiting for PS to work ;) | 23:09 |
| knome | elfy, dropping games - exactly what i was thinking the other day | 23:09 |
| knome | shipping games is so 90's | 23:09 |
| knome | and the fact is that most people play browser games anyway | 23:09 |
| slickymaster | or console ones | 23:10 |
| knome | yep | 23:10 |
| slickymaster | I would be +1 on dropping them | 23:10 |
| drc | Unless you ship Gargoyle (for Interactive Fiction), which is so 80's :) | 23:10 |
| knome | and legacy gamers probably enjoy playing stuff with emulators anyway | 23:10 |
| elfy | the way I see it is - there's only likely to be people like me who want solitaire | 23:10 |
| knome | elfy, in that case they can install it | 23:11 |
| slickymaster | drc we'd have to create a mullet section for the 80s ganes ;) | 23:11 |
| knome | elfy, games aren't critical for production environments without online connectivity | 23:11 |
| elfy | knome: yea - that's my point | 23:11 |
| knome | yep. | 23:11 |
| elfy | if I have to install something I use - I can install something I don't ... :) | 23:11 |
| knome | heh | 23:12 |
| elfy | and ... | 23:12 |
| elfy | NEXT cycle - because you've not got rid of me yet - remove abiword and gnumeric and install something else | 23:13 |
| knome | or drop and don't replace | 23:14 |
| * knome hides | 23:14 | |
| slickymaster | you're only going to be allowed to leave after the next LTS elfy | 23:14 |
| elfy | I mean - use abiword - which one first use - spawns new ones if you've not got the mouse in the right place | 23:14 |
| elfy | come on ... | 23:14 |
| elfy | slickymaster: I'm off Feb 2016 | 23:14 |
| elfy | oh whoops - is that mid-cycle? | 23:14 |
| brainwash | how about replacing apps with web links for online apps? :D | 23:14 |
| * knome sighs at client work | 23:15 | |
| slickymaster | we won't let you and will hunt you down | 23:15 |
| elfy | brainwash: how about not :) | 23:15 |
| brainwash | it's the future! | 23:15 |
| elfy | knome: that's the nature of self-employment | 23:15 |
| knome | no | 23:15 |
| knome | that's the nature of WORK :| | 23:15 |
| elfy | brainwash: yep - the UK is going to superfast broadband - that actually really means 2 mb/s or whatever | 23:16 |
| knome | haha | 23:16 |
| elfy | knome: you laugh - I'm serious :( | 23:16 |
| knome | and my 3Mbps upload speed actually means "somewhere along 2Mbps" | 23:16 |
| slickymaster | lamo | 23:16 |
| elfy | that's their idea of it | 23:16 |
| drc | less the overhead for serveillence and backdoors. | 23:16 |
| knome | otoh "A super-fast 100Mbps line" on the competitor means "You'll get maybe 8Mbps and it's more unreliable than the local post office" | 23:17 |
| * knome picks smaller ISP with their own backbone, sooo much more reliable | 23:18 | |
| elfy | here - the infrastructure belongs to BT - everyone else rents | 23:21 |
| knome | that's how it used to be until late too | 23:21 |
| elfy | so - buy what you like, but if there's an issue - you talk to your supplier who talks to them | 23:21 |
| knome | now we have that one other considerable ISP with their backbone | 23:21 |
| elfy | knome: yea - when I was a kid - it all belonged to us | 23:21 |
| elfy | then politics | 23:22 |
| knome | well, yeah, one company owns the connection centers in each house | 23:22 |
| knome | so kind of same | 23:22 |
| knome | but if the backbone breaks, then the ISP can do something | 23:22 |
| knome | mum's internet was down for a few days last year or so | 23:22 |
| knome | because somebody had misconnected stuff | 23:22 |
| knome | not ISPs fault | 23:22 |
| knome | and when i first got my new connection from this ISP | 23:22 |
| knome | it took like months | 23:23 |
| knome | because the company who owns the connection boxes didn't do their work | 23:23 |
| knome | but fair enough, i didn't pay for anything for that time, nor the first two connected weeks | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | I'd be +1 for getting rid of games from default install | 23:25 |
| elfy | that's almost good then | 23:26 |
| slickymaster | at least we could discuss it in the next meeting | 23:26 |
| elfy | I'd swap games for imgur :D | 23:26 |
| elfy | I'll add it | 23:27 |
| slickymaster | ok | 23:27 |
| knome | elfy, hah | 23:27 |
| elfy | there we go | 23:28 |
| elfy | slipped a bit | 23:28 |
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