[00:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: broken in the printer dialog as well
[03:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: not sure if you're interested at this point, but do you want to give my latest light-locker-settings a spin? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk/revision/121
[03:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: feel free to drop it from the seed, I'll get it sponsored normally as needed when I think its good to go
[03:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: aware of any missing icons?  I've spotted a few and can bug you about them
[03:15] <bluesabre> ochosi: icon, and if you think the highlight on the popover seems odd http://imgur.com/Nv4RoSa
[07:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: well obviously, you always need to tell me about missing icons!
[07:42] <ochosi> oh right, hm, they obviously fixed file-roller showing a headerbar meanwhile (thanks Laney)
[07:46] <Unit193> Oh?
[07:46] <Unit193> \o/
[07:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: pushed a fix for the popovers in greybird and found that missing cog (that must've changed names somehow, cause it worked when file-roller still had a headerbar)
[07:57] <ochosi> since i did the release of greybird, quite a few patches have accumulated already...
[07:57] <ochosi> i guess i'll have to do a point release quite soon
[09:02] <lazybear_> hello, здесь кто-нибудь говорит по-русски?...
[09:03] <ochosi> not sure whether that's russian or some other slavic language, however we speak english in here
[09:03] <ochosi> !ru
[09:03] <ochosi> hrm
[09:12] <ochosi> elfy: btw, that problem with xfpm's settings not being applied to X11 was resolved by me resetting xfpm's settings in xfce4-settings-editor (right click the xfpm item in the left column and hit reset)
[09:15] <lazybear_> ty for help. I will join ru channel.
[10:37] <Unit193> apt-offline 1.6 uploaded to experimental: https://tracker.debian.org/news/671624
[11:41] <brainwash> ali1234: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/sadface.php :(
[11:42] <ali1234> why you show me this?
[11:43] <brainwash> it's a nice picture of a broken root background
[11:43] <ali1234> it's a bug in whatever display manager is being used
[11:43] <ali1234> it's clearly not lightdm-gtk-greeter therefore it's not our problem
[11:44] <brainwash> so lightdm-gtk-greeter corrupts the background? it's fine while the the login screen is active, and breaks sometimes after login (~25%)
[11:44] <ali1234> no, lightdm-gtk-greeter does not corrupt the background
[11:45] <brainwash> it's xubuntu 15.04 + open source radeon driver
[11:45] <brainwash> I did not notice this in 14.04 or 14.10
[11:45] <ali1234> so it's a driver bug then
[11:46] <ali1234> why is there a picture of a clock in the bottom left corner?
[11:46] <brainwash> why the randomness? it works in most cases
[11:46] <brainwash> that's a custom panel setup
[11:47] <brainwash> if it happens randomly, then it should be fixable, or?
[11:47] <ali1234> sure. just fix the radeon driver
[11:47] <ali1234> or, preferably, stop buying AMD graphics hardware because it doesn't work properly
[11:47] <brainwash> it did before :/
[11:48] <brainwash> sad face
[11:49] <ali1234> none of the open source drivers is at all reliable
[11:49] <ali1234> intel driver has had a bug that corrupts the screen for years
[11:49] <ali1234> nouveau crashes constantly
[11:49] <brainwash> maybe radeon is now sharing bugs with nouveau (which corrupted the background in previous releases)
[11:50] <ali1234> probably
[11:50] <ali1234> try fglrx
[11:50] <brainwash> I will
[11:51] <ali1234> what do you see if you kill xfdesktop?
[11:52] <ali1234> please disable xfdesktop when testing because it also messes with the background
[11:54] <ali1234> actually xfdesktop might be the problem
[11:54] <brainwash> xfdesktop usually restores the background (picture). I test and disable it
[11:58] <ali1234> i think i might see the problem
[11:59] <brainwash> ali1234: I disabled xfdesktop and it still happens
[11:59] <ali1234> oh
[11:59] <ali1234> well does it stay after everything else loaded up?
[11:59] <brainwash> it happens with xfwm4 + built-in compositor and xfwm4 + compton
[11:59] <ali1234> what happens?
[11:59] <brainwash> yes, it stays broken/scrambled (without xfdesktop)
[12:00] <brainwash> the root background
[12:00] <ali1234> you can't see the root background when compositing is enabled
[12:00] <brainwash> it breaks immediately after the greeter disappears
[12:00] <ali1234> xfwm opens a fullscreen window with a copy of the real root background in it
[12:01] <ali1234> so the problem must be with the greeter then
[12:01] <brainwash> yes, the copied root background picture I meam
[12:01] <ali1234> and xfwm is just copying the garbage
[12:02] <brainwash> ah, yeah
[12:02] <brainwash> maybe something changed in the greeter code recently
[12:02] <ali1234> no
[12:02] <brainwash> some parts have been rewritten by the new maintainer
[12:03] <ali1234> which parts?
[12:03] <brainwash> no idea, but I will test an older version later
[12:03] <brainwash> the utopic one, or even trusty
[12:03] <brainwash> in vivid
[12:05] <ali1234> yes the greeter background code has been rewritten
[12:05] <ali1234> the retain permanent code has been totally removed
[12:05] <ali1234> so everyone will get this annoying shitty bug
[12:05] <ali1234> thanks, new maintainer
[12:06] <knome> tut tut
[12:07] <brainwash> ali1234: oh.. just tested without compositor and the bug was also triggered
[12:08] <ali1234> yes it would be
[12:08] <ali1234> the new code doesn't draw anything into the root window
[12:08] <brainwash> yeah, you've explained it
[12:08] <ali1234> so it's just full of garbage
[12:08] <brainwash> :(
[12:08] <ochosi> well, can be fixed easily thouh
[12:08] <ochosi> gh
[12:09] <brainwash> ali1234: are you going to file a bug report?
[12:09] <ali1234> yes
[12:10] <brainwash> ok, thanks
[12:10] <ochosi> ali1234: you can also just file a MR and i'll take care of that
[12:10] <ali1234> i don't even know where to start
[12:10] <ochosi> but yeah, in case you don't a report is probably good
[12:10] <ali1234> the retain permanent code is totally deleted
[12:10] <ochosi> then also link it to -v-bugs
[12:10] <ali1234> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/revision/295
[12:12] <slickymasterWork>  elfy, today's daily is uninstallable -> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/ubiquity.php
[12:12] <slickymasterWork> the problem is with ubi-console-setup.py
[12:12] <ali1234> going for lunch then i will fix this
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> it works in live session though
[12:13] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: does the panel in ubiquity work as expected though?
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> nopes
[12:13] <ali1234> also if i find the greeter leaking pixmaps again i am going to be unhappy
[12:14] <slickymasterWork> I'm now trying to retrieve the content of /var/log/syslog
[12:42] <elfy> slickymasterWork: bug 1408495
[13:15] <brainwash> bluesabre, ochosi: new comments -> bugs 1307545
[13:15] <brainwash> b3nmore claims that the default value for logind-handle-lid-switch is wrong in utopic
[13:17] <brainwash> now with those new details we should be able to identify what's broken
[14:13] <ali1234> okay, the retain permanent stuff was moved to a different file
[14:13] <ali1234> but it doesn't work any more for some reason
[14:27] <ali1234> 19222 al        20   0 19.146g 9.908g   5512 S  10.3 63.2 299:00.22 mousepad
[14:27] <ali1234> i think we have a problem :(
[14:28] <ali1234> on the bright side at least the computer isn't totally dying as soon as i hit swap
[14:41] <ochosi> ali1234: tiny leaky-leak in mousepad? :}
[14:41] <ali1234> yeah, i dunno what happened
[14:41] <ochosi> maybe rename it to elephantpad then
[14:41] <ochosi> largest footprint in town!
[14:42] <ali1234> the weird thing is it wasn't growing
[14:42] <ochosi> really odd though, i presume you only opened text-documents with it
[14:42] <ali1234> and it's been like that for a couple of days
[14:42] <ali1234> i've been wondering why my computer is slow for about a week now
[14:43] <ochosi> hehe
[14:44] <ali1234> so i'm  looking at this lightdm code
[14:46] <ali1234> it looks reasonable but it doesn't work
[14:50] <ali1234> master doesn't even build
[14:50] <ali1234> ./configure: line 11669: syntax error near unexpected token `0.9.5'
[14:50] <ali1234> ./configure: line 11669: `GOBJECT_INTROSPECTION_CHECK(0.9.5)'
[14:54] <ali1234> i can't do anything until that is fixed
[15:56] <brainwash> ali1234: the greeter package in vivid is pretty outdated, so I've installed a newer one from the daily ppa (mid dec 2014)
[15:56] <brainwash> and the background is now fine
[15:58] <brainwash> now, apport detects some segfault with the newer build. I'll report it later
[15:58] <ali1234> i can't even get it to build
[15:58] <brainwash> I haven't tried yet
[15:59] <brainwash> but the daily ppa is pretty outdated (maybe there weren't any changes)
[16:01] <brainwash> can you confirm that there is some delay after pressing the login button? it takes like 4-5sec until the greeter screen is destroyed and the actual session loads
[16:01] <ali1234> no
[16:03] <brainwash> very odd, authentication should not take that long.. time to check the logs
[16:03] <brainwash> and test unity-greeter :D
[16:14] <brainwash> ali1234: restarting lightdm fixed it
[16:28] <ali1234> so what commit is the packaged version on?
[16:29] <ali1234> bug 1366534
[16:29] <ali1234> bug 1377743
[16:51] <elfy> ochosi: been getting this http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-140115-164821.php when coming back from lock screen
[16:51] <elfy> any idea? seen it before? 
[16:51] <elfy> or indeed anyone else :)
[16:52] <slickymasterWork> haven't get that one yet elfy :P
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> s/get/got
[16:56] <ochosi> elfy: never seen that before
[16:56] <ochosi> happens with a clean user profile too?
[16:56] <elfy> hard to tell as it's not a constant 
[16:56] <elfy> I couldn't lock now and be sure to see it 
[17:01] <ochosi> okeydokey
[17:01] <ochosi> gotta run
[17:02] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: can't say for sure i'll make the meeting
[17:02] <ochosi> having unforeseen guests tonight
[17:02] <ochosi> bbl
[17:02] <slickymasterWork> ok ochosi 
[17:02] <slickymasterWork> hf
[17:07] <elfy> forgot meeting tonight - got confused with the meeting tomorrow ... 
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> som many meetings, so little time
[18:28] <fabio> xfce4-volumed: how to change the volume step size?+
[18:29] <fabio> perhaps using the same alsamixer scale that is more proportional 
[18:51] <fabio> this is a big deal with large speakers
[18:56] <fabio> (too loud volume from a step to one more)
[18:57] <ali1234> why aren't you using indicator-sound?
[18:58] <elfy> would still do it in whatever incremement the system uses 
[18:58] <elfy> I used to do it with amixer set
[18:58] <elfy> but now I just use the volume on the amp 
[19:07] <fabio> alil1234 indicator-sound works only with mouse.. if i kill xfce4-volumed, the keyboard volume keys do not work anymore
[19:08] <fabio> works
[19:08] <ali1234> yeah, that's why the step is different
[19:09] <dkessel> please ping me too when the meeting starts - last time i missed most of it until i got a ping from someone halfway through it ;)
[19:10] <slickymasterWork> I'll do it dkessel ;)
[19:10] <elfy> so you should :p
[19:11] <dkessel> \o/
[19:11] <slickymasterWork> if I won't elfy will poke me for sure
[19:11] <elfy> positively
[19:11] <slickymasterWork> heh
[19:11] <slickymasterWork> heading home ->
[19:12] <elfy> yea ... running off more like 
[21:48] <elfy> dkessel: 10 minute ish warning :)
[21:59] <slickymaster> !team | meeting time!
[21:59] <knome> oh, the meeting is this late
[21:59] <knome> i thought i already missed it ;)
[21:59] <elfy> nope
[21:59] <elfy> it's on the wiki :D
[21:59] <slickymaster> no you haven't :)
[21:59] <pleia2> o/
[21:59] <slickymaster> #startmeeting
[21:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 14 21:59:51 2015 UTC.  The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <slickymaster> Who's here for the meeting?
[22:00] <pleia2> o/
[22:00] <knome> o/
[22:00] <elfy> hobgoblin is 
[22:00] <slickymaster> #chair knome pleia2 elfy 
[22:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymaster
[22:00] <dkessel> o/
[22:01] <slickymaster> Unit193, finished eating?
[22:01] <slickymaster> so
[22:01] <slickymaster> #topic Open action items
[22:01] <Unit193> slickymaster: Not started.
[22:01] <slickymaster> let's see
[22:01] <slickymaster> elfy ->  talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2
[22:02] <slickymaster> care to elaborate on that?
[22:02] <elfy> done - we're not
[22:02] <slickymaster> also elfy -> add proposed schedule to incentive pad (http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive)
[22:02] <elfy> done that
[22:02] <slickymaster> damn, you don't miss one ;)
[22:02] <pleia2> yes, thanks elfy!
[22:03] <elfy> pleia2: I thought I pinged you about that - sorry if I forgot 
[22:03] <bluesabre> Hey all
[22:03] <slickymaster> I think that covers it all
[22:03] <elfy> hi bluesabre 
[22:03] <pleia2> elfy: you did, I was in flu fugue state :)
[22:03] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre, welcome
[22:03] <slickymaster> moving on then
[22:03] <pleia2> (on the mend now)
[22:03] <elfy> pleia2: oh good - thought I'd forgotten to say 
[22:04] <slickymaster> #topic Team updates
[22:04] <slickymaster> pleasi don't forget to use #info
[22:04] <slickymaster> anyone?
[22:04] <elfy> #info QA - nothing much done since last meeting
[22:04] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways
[22:04] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways
[22:04] <slickymaster> knome, I think you have something
[22:04] <knome> slickymaster, yes, please give me some time ;)
[22:05] <slickymaster> okie doke
[22:05] <bluesabre> #info light-locker integration added to xfce4 power - manager 
[22:05] <bluesabre> Giving up on trying to type with my phone keyboard...
[22:05] <slickymaster> lol
[22:05] <knome> #info knome worked on updating and improving the responsive design for documentation
[22:06] <pleia2> #info pleia2 firmed up Global Jam Xubuntu QA event at Gandi on Sunday, February 8th (2000 - 0100 UTC)
[22:06] <pleia2> would be nice to have some folks lurking around here so I can have people join and ask where to submit bugs ;)
[22:06] <knome> #info knome looked at exporting docbook to pdf - exports look pretty bare/bad and images are not working correctly; the exports might not be worth it since doing that requires substantially more dependencies
[22:06] <pleia2> also introduce the newcomers to some Xubuntu devs (make sure you don't bite them)
[22:06] <slickymaster> I'm inclined to agree with you knome 
[22:07] <slickymaster> on the conversion
[22:07] <Unit193> #info light-locker-settings removed from the seed.
[22:07] <bluesabre> Yay
[22:07] <knome> #info knome and pleia2 added press/marketing contact information to xubuntu.org
[22:07] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo
[22:07] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo
[22:07] <knome> #info knome has worked hard on refreshing the website looks to match 2015/the OS
[22:08] <knome> #info knome created a page with all mirrors mirroring xubuntu ISOs
[22:08] <slickymaster> busy bee
[22:08] <knome> #info mirror.anl.gov (our preferred US mirror) is shutting down services on feb 1, we need to list another US mirror
[22:09] <knome> #info knome finalized and copied a better looking mailman info page to -devel and -users
[22:09] <knome> #action pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org
[22:09] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org
[22:10] <knome> #info knome cleaned up the processes wiki page, organizing stuff under subpages; feedback welcome on irc/mailing list
[22:10] <pleia2> knome: I forget, is static.x.o stuff in a bzr repo? maybe it should be
[22:10] <pleia2> I think it's not
[22:10] <knome> pleia2, i'll set that up
[22:10] <pleia2> thanks
[22:10] <slickymaster> I did like the new layout of the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes page
[22:10] <knome> #action knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content
[22:10] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content
[22:10] <knome> hmm, i think that's it for now for my updates
[22:10] <pleia2> me too
[22:10] <slickymaster> is not so dense/heavy now
[22:11] <knome> yep, it's definitely an improvement
[22:11] <slickymaster> anything else?
[22:11] <knome> and i'll update it with the qa stuff once i find it on my email
[22:11] <knome> /hd
[22:11] <slickymaster> going once
[22:11] <knome> as i said, from me yes
[22:12] <slickymaster> going twice
[22:12] <slickymaster> ok
[22:12] <slickymaster> #topic Announcements
[22:12] <slickymaster> nothing from me
[22:12] <bluesabre> Nothing here at the time
[22:13] <elfy> First milestone we'll take part in is Beta 1 wk 18 
[22:14] <slickymaster> ok team, please be sure to take an active stand on the testing side of B1
[22:14] <pleia2> or sooner :)
[22:14] <elfy> bluesabre: while that reminds me - any plans to drag anything from staging into default pre-Beta 
[22:15] <slickymaster> I presume you'll be mailing everyone (ML) prior to it elfy
[22:15] <elfy> oh - there is the Community Council meeting tomorrow btw
[22:15] <elfy> slickymaster: ofc
[22:15] <slickymaster> :)
[22:15] <Unit193> I've already done all the testing upgrades I have.
[22:15] <elfy> ty :)
[22:15] <slickymaster> CC meeting at what time and channel elfy?
[22:15] <pleia2> 1700 #ubuntu-meeting
[22:15] <elfy> -meeting 1700UTC
[22:15] <elfy> ha 
[22:16] <bluesabre> Elfy: stable releases and any patches we want to carry. Will work with Unit193 and ochosi
[22:16] <elfy> beat you :D
[22:16] <slickymaster> thanks for the heads up on that
[22:16] <pleia2> elfy: I'm just happy we agree
[22:16] <elfy> bluesabre: ok :)
[22:16] <elfy> pleia2: lol
[22:16] <pleia2> it's been a long week :)
[22:16] <slickymaster> and we're only half way through it pleia2 :P
[22:16] <pleia2> indeed
[22:16] <slickymaster> alrighty
[22:17] <elfy> not here - weekend starts tomorrow lunch time :D
[22:17] <knome> pleia2, is it too much to ask to tar the current assets somewhere?
[22:17] <pleia2> knome: can do, sec
[22:17] <knome> ta
[22:17] <slickymaster> #topic Discussion
[22:17] <elfy> shall rattle on a bit about newish things 
[22:17] <slickymaster> #subtopic Discuss replacing gnome-calculator with galculator (to get rid of CSD)
[22:18] <slickymaster> it's still in the agenda
[22:18] <elfy> I thought this was now nothing to worry about?
[22:18] <knome> i thought it was ok as well
[22:18] <elfy> still no idea what csd is 
[22:18] <slickymaster> it wasn't removed from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meeting so I thought it was still an open item
[22:19] <Unit193> Doesn't look OK here, but maybe it will later...
[22:19] <bluesabre> Yeah, I think the Ubuntu team is continuing to add patches to get rid of csd
[22:19] <elfy> no idea - forgotten - and I still don't know what csd is 
[22:19] <elfy> so I would say leave it be :p
[22:19] <slickymaster> lol, will someone explain it, pretty please
[22:20] <slickymaster> Unit193, bluesabre ^^
[22:20] <bluesabre> "Client Side Decorations"
[22:20] <slickymaster> thanks
[22:20] <Unit193> Which means the application can decide what it's menus and stuff look like, not the window manager.
[22:20] <bluesabre> Basically applications are composited on their own instead of by xfwm, so it messes up integration and causes issues
[22:21] <elfy> aah ok - thanks :) 
[22:22] <elfy> wasn't something else the *same* ? 
[22:22] <bluesabre> Xfce had acceptable support for it now, but it can still be a headache
[22:22] <knome> fwiw, branch for static assets set up (not updated for new stuff yet)
[22:22] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[22:22] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[22:23] <pleia2> just a general discussion thing, I'm a bit over-committed this cycle between Real Job and other things, if anyone has interest in marketing blueprint things (like picking up with surveys) please jump in, I might not get to them
[22:24] <pleia2> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-marketing
[22:24] <elfy> looking 
[22:24]  * slickymaster also
[22:24] <knome> pleia2, i just marked one of your items to DONE today ;)
[22:24] <elfy> I could find some time given that qa is taking so much of my time this cycle
[22:25] <pleia2> I thought I wouldn't travel as much, but it turns out I really like airplanes
[22:25] <pleia2> knome: yeah!
[22:25] <elfy> pleia2: wing me what you have for the user survey 1 and I'll have a look 
[22:25] <knome> i won't promise anything, but i'll be working with the flyers anyway, so getting those printed might be done by somebody else than you
[22:25] <slickymaster> knome, haven't you already sorted out the alignment for printing?
[22:25] <knome> slickymaster, mostly, see the whiteboard
[22:25] <elfy> given that it's in progress
[22:25] <slickymaster> ok
[22:26] <pleia2> elfy: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-user-identifies-as
[22:26] <pleia2> elfy: our last discussion on it went bikeshed, so I lost all energy
[22:26] <knome> :(
[22:26] <knome> i'm sorry
[22:26] <elfy> yea - kind of saw that 
[22:26] <elfy> pleia2: I'll see if I can move it on
[22:27] <elfy> blueprinted me for those 2 
[22:27] <pleia2> knome: no one's fault, I don't know what I'm doing survey-wise so it's hard to argue my simple-is-good points :)
[22:27] <knome> heh
[22:27] <pleia2> thanks elfy 
[22:27] <elfy> welcome - might motivate me a bit more than I am atm :)
[22:28] <knome> linked the survey pad ot the whiteboard for future reference
[22:28] <slickymaster> go elfy go elfy go elfy 
[22:28] <slickymaster> good idea knome 
[22:28] <bluesabre> brb
[22:28]  * slickymaster usually spends some time looking for the pad's urls
[22:29]  * elfy doesn't - or just looks in his index of stuff :D
[22:30] <slickymaster> anything else anyone wants to throw to the table?
[22:31] <slickymaster> ok, this one was a short one
[22:31] <slickymaster> #action pleia2 to schedule next meeting
[22:31] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to schedule next meeting
[22:31] <elfy> yea 
[22:31] <slickymaster> #endmeeting
[22:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 22:31:35 2015 UTC.  
[22:31] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-01-14-21.59.moin.txt
[22:31] <elfy> sorry and all that :)
[22:31] <pleia2> aw man
[22:31] <elfy> oh good lord 
[22:31] <slickymaster> lol
[22:31] <elfy> bad slickymaster :|
[22:31] <elfy> :p
[22:31] <slickymaster> no escape pleia2 
[22:32] <pleia2> :)
[22:32] <knome> i'll do pleia2's meeting
[22:32] <slickymaster> now to fight the wiki
[22:32] <elfy> bluesabre: one of the things that maybe we could look at - the imgur in screenshots that Unit193 has - really like that
[22:32] <knome> pleia2, that is, if you don't necessarily want to do it...
[22:32] <pleia2> knome: thanks, it's ok, I'll do it :)
[22:33] <knome> oki
[22:33] <bluesabre> back
[22:33] <knome> as you wish
[22:33] <pleia2> will have to be next week though, because then fosdem
[22:33] <bluesabre> elfy: that does sound like a good one
[22:33] <knome> next week sounds fair, not again too many updates ;)
[22:34] <elfy> bluesabre: yea - but mostly what I was getting at was mousepad seems to be a bit more *advanced* in staging than the dev version - don't use parole enough to notice
[22:35] <elfy> but getting as many of those things in before 23rd February means they'd be there for B1
[22:35] <bluesabre> yeah, I think (hopefully) we'll have a new stable mousepad soon... the -staging one is pretty great compared to whats in the archive
[22:35] <elfy> and as well as pointing testers at milestones we can ALSO point them at those things
[22:35] <elfy> ofc - if they're in before - we can just point people at those - BUT 
[22:36] <elfy> I'd like enough notice to be able to get the testcases updated :D
[22:36] <bluesabre> looks like feature freeze is feb 23, so we'll start pushing now
[22:36] <knome> yay
[22:36] <bluesabre> woops
[22:36] <bluesabre> feb 19
[22:36] <knome> heh
[22:36] <knome> just enough time anyway
[22:36] <elfy> bluesabre: oh - yea ofc - so week before B1 :)
[22:37] <pleia2> I'll be in Oman
[22:37] <knome> D:
[22:37] <elfy> that imgur thing's probably the thing I've missed most since the clean install I did last week 
[22:37] <pleia2> :D
[22:37] <elfy> not got Unit193's ppa in yet 
[22:37] <knome> pleia2, o
[22:37] <knome> eh
[22:37] <pleia2> coming home on the 20th though
[22:37] <bluesabre> D:D
[22:37] <elfy> pleia2: not an excuse :D
[22:37] <knome> pleia2, "o'man", says i
[22:37] <pleia2> haha
[22:38] <bluesabre> nice
[22:38] <knome> pleia2, just at the right time to write release notes!
[22:38] <pleia2> haha
[22:38] <elfy> dkessel: just a quick one - there are autopilot things on QA blueprint - do they need to be postponed? 
[22:42] <slickymaster> minutes are (finally) up
[22:43] <elfy> that's quicker than I do them
[22:43] <slickymaster> wiki was on my side today elfy 
[22:43] <bluesabre> stepping away for dinner, bbiab
[22:43] <dkessel> elfy: there is a 50% chance they need to be, i say
[22:43] <slickymaster> enjoy bluesabre 
[22:44] <elfy> dkessel: ok - well I'm kinda cool with you just taking the time tbh - would be really nice to get them for the next LTS perhaps 
[22:45] <elfy> so - mark them postponed if you need - I'll certainly not get in the way of you doing it :)
[22:45] <dkessel> Okidokey
[22:46] <elfy> might be time to try and do another mailing list post for it - I can imagine being the only person looking to be quite daunting 
[22:46] <slickymaster> FWIW, I removed the item about replacing gnome-calculator with galculator from the discussion topic
[22:46] <elfy> and I do apologise that I can't help and that it's all voodoo to me :(
[22:48] <brainwash> should gnome-mines be replaced too? I noticed that it uses CSD too now
[22:49] <elfy> I'd lose games completely given the chance
[22:49] <brainwash> you can't do that!
[22:49] <slickymaster> +1 on that
[22:50] <elfy> +1 on can't or doing it ?
[22:50] <brainwash> no games? should the user play some bad browser games instead? flash ones? :>
[22:50] <slickymaster> getting rid of them
[22:59] <Unit193> What's new in mousepad then?
[22:59] <Unit193> elfy: That's a git snapshot, older one now, they want to release and just need nick to give them the permission so it should be released soon.
[22:59] <elfy> Unit193: imgur? 
[23:00] <Unit193> Yep.
[23:00] <elfy> Unit193: mousepad from my perspective is mostly enhanced menu options - obviously a text editor is a text editor 
[23:01] <elfy> as gnome options go down ... xfce go up lol
[23:02] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[23:09] <knome> elfy, good news, found the qa process stuff while waiting for PS to work ;)
[23:09] <knome> elfy, dropping games - exactly what i was thinking the other day
[23:09] <knome> shipping games is so 90's
[23:09] <knome> and the fact is that most people play browser games anyway
[23:10] <slickymaster> or console ones
[23:10] <knome> yep
[23:10] <slickymaster> I would be +1 on dropping them
[23:10] <drc> Unless you ship Gargoyle (for Interactive Fiction), which is so 80's :)
[23:10] <knome> and legacy gamers probably enjoy playing stuff with emulators anyway
[23:10] <elfy> the way I see it is - there's only likely to be people like me who want solitaire 
[23:11] <knome> elfy, in that case they can install it
[23:11] <slickymaster> drc we'd have to create a mullet section for the 80s ganes ;)
[23:11] <knome> elfy, games aren't critical for production environments without online connectivity
[23:11] <elfy> knome: yea - that's my point 
[23:11] <knome> yep.
[23:11] <elfy> if I have to install something I use - I can install something I don't ... :)
[23:12] <knome> heh
[23:12] <elfy> and ... 
[23:13] <elfy> NEXT cycle - because you've not got rid of me yet - remove abiword and gnumeric and install something else 
[23:14] <knome> or drop and don't replace
[23:14]  * knome hides
[23:14] <slickymaster> you're only going to be allowed to leave after the next LTS elfy 
[23:14] <elfy> I mean - use abiword - which one first use - spawns new ones if you've not got the mouse in the right place
[23:14] <elfy> come on ... 
[23:14] <elfy> slickymaster: I'm off Feb 2016 
[23:14] <elfy> oh whoops - is that mid-cycle? 
[23:14] <brainwash> how about replacing apps with web links for online apps? :D
[23:15]  * knome sighs at client work
[23:15] <slickymaster> we won't let you and will hunt you down
[23:15] <elfy> brainwash: how about not :)
[23:15] <brainwash> it's the future!
[23:15] <elfy> knome: that's the nature of self-employment 
[23:15] <knome> no
[23:15] <knome> that's the nature of WORK :|
[23:16] <elfy> brainwash: yep - the UK is going to superfast broadband - that actually really means 2 mb/s or whatever 
[23:16] <knome> haha
[23:16] <elfy> knome: you laugh - I'm serious :(
[23:16] <knome> and my 3Mbps upload speed actually means "somewhere along 2Mbps"
[23:16] <slickymaster> lamo
[23:16] <elfy> that's their idea of it 
[23:16] <drc> less the overhead for serveillence and backdoors.
[23:17] <knome> otoh "A super-fast 100Mbps line" on the competitor means "You'll get maybe 8Mbps and it's more unreliable than the local post office"
[23:18]  * knome picks smaller ISP with their own backbone, sooo much more reliable
[23:21] <elfy> here - the infrastructure belongs to BT - everyone else rents 
[23:21] <knome> that's how it used to be until late too
[23:21] <elfy> so - buy what you like, but if there's an issue - you talk to your supplier who talks to them
[23:21] <knome> now we have that one other considerable ISP with their backbone
[23:21] <elfy> knome: yea - when I was a kid - it all belonged to us 
[23:22] <elfy> then politics 
[23:22] <knome> well, yeah, one company owns the connection centers in each house
[23:22] <knome> so kind of same
[23:22] <knome> but if the backbone breaks, then the ISP can do something
[23:22] <knome> mum's internet was down for a few days last year or so
[23:22] <knome> because somebody had misconnected stuff
[23:22] <knome> not ISPs fault
[23:22] <knome> and when i first got my new connection from this ISP
[23:23] <knome> it took like months
[23:23] <knome> because the company who owns the connection boxes didn't do their work
[23:23] <knome> but fair enough, i didn't pay for anything for that time, nor the first two connected weeks
[23:25] <bluesabre> I'd be +1 for getting rid of games from default install
[23:26] <elfy> that's almost good then 
[23:26] <slickymaster> at least we could discuss it in the next meeting
[23:26] <elfy> I'd swap games for imgur :D
[23:27] <elfy> I'll add it
[23:27] <slickymaster> ok
[23:27] <knome> elfy, hah
[23:28] <elfy> there we go 
[23:28] <elfy> slipped a bit