=== J21_ is now known as J21 [00:59] ochosi: broken in the printer dialog as well [03:10] ochosi: not sure if you're interested at this point, but do you want to give my latest light-locker-settings a spin? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk/revision/121 [03:10] Unit193: feel free to drop it from the seed, I'll get it sponsored normally as needed when I think its good to go [03:12] ochosi: aware of any missing icons? I've spotted a few and can bug you about them [03:15] ochosi: icon, and if you think the highlight on the popover seems odd http://imgur.com/Nv4RoSa === elfy is now known as Guest52375 === Guest52375 is now known as forestpiskie === forestpiskie is now known as elfy [07:37] bluesabre: well obviously, you always need to tell me about missing icons! [07:42] oh right, hm, they obviously fixed file-roller showing a headerbar meanwhile (thanks Laney) [07:46] Oh? [07:46] \o/ [07:56] bluesabre: pushed a fix for the popovers in greybird and found that missing cog (that must've changed names somehow, cause it worked when file-roller still had a headerbar) [07:57] since i did the release of greybird, quite a few patches have accumulated already... [07:57] i guess i'll have to do a point release quite soon [09:02] hello, здесь кто-нибудь говорит по-русски?... [09:03] not sure whether that's russian or some other slavic language, however we speak english in here [09:03] !ru [09:03] hrm [09:03] Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [09:12] elfy: btw, that problem with xfpm's settings not being applied to X11 was resolved by me resetting xfpm's settings in xfce4-settings-editor (right click the xfpm item in the left column and hit reset) [09:15] ty for help. I will join ru channel. [10:37] apt-offline 1.6 uploaded to experimental: https://tracker.debian.org/news/671624 [11:41] ali1234: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/sadface.php :( [11:42] why you show me this? [11:43] it's a nice picture of a broken root background [11:43] it's a bug in whatever display manager is being used [11:43] it's clearly not lightdm-gtk-greeter therefore it's not our problem [11:44] so lightdm-gtk-greeter corrupts the background? it's fine while the the login screen is active, and breaks sometimes after login (~25%) [11:44] no, lightdm-gtk-greeter does not corrupt the background [11:45] it's xubuntu 15.04 + open source radeon driver [11:45] I did not notice this in 14.04 or 14.10 [11:45] so it's a driver bug then [11:46] why is there a picture of a clock in the bottom left corner? [11:46] why the randomness? it works in most cases [11:46] that's a custom panel setup [11:47] if it happens randomly, then it should be fixable, or? [11:47] sure. just fix the radeon driver [11:47] or, preferably, stop buying AMD graphics hardware because it doesn't work properly [11:47] it did before :/ [11:48] sad face [11:49] none of the open source drivers is at all reliable [11:49] intel driver has had a bug that corrupts the screen for years [11:49] nouveau crashes constantly [11:49] maybe radeon is now sharing bugs with nouveau (which corrupted the background in previous releases) [11:50] probably [11:50] try fglrx [11:50] I will [11:51] what do you see if you kill xfdesktop? [11:52] please disable xfdesktop when testing because it also messes with the background [11:54] actually xfdesktop might be the problem [11:54] xfdesktop usually restores the background (picture). I test and disable it [11:58] i think i might see the problem [11:59] ali1234: I disabled xfdesktop and it still happens [11:59] oh [11:59] well does it stay after everything else loaded up? [11:59] it happens with xfwm4 + built-in compositor and xfwm4 + compton [11:59] what happens? [11:59] yes, it stays broken/scrambled (without xfdesktop) [12:00] the root background [12:00] you can't see the root background when compositing is enabled [12:00] it breaks immediately after the greeter disappears [12:00] xfwm opens a fullscreen window with a copy of the real root background in it [12:01] so the problem must be with the greeter then [12:01] yes, the copied root background picture I meam [12:01] and xfwm is just copying the garbage [12:02] ah, yeah [12:02] maybe something changed in the greeter code recently [12:02] no [12:02] some parts have been rewritten by the new maintainer [12:03] which parts? [12:03] no idea, but I will test an older version later [12:03] the utopic one, or even trusty [12:03] in vivid [12:05] yes the greeter background code has been rewritten [12:05] the retain permanent code has been totally removed [12:05] so everyone will get this annoying shitty bug [12:05] thanks, new maintainer [12:06] tut tut [12:07] ali1234: oh.. just tested without compositor and the bug was also triggered [12:08] yes it would be [12:08] the new code doesn't draw anything into the root window [12:08] yeah, you've explained it [12:08] so it's just full of garbage [12:08] :( [12:08] well, can be fixed easily thouh [12:08] gh [12:09] ali1234: are you going to file a bug report? [12:09] yes [12:10] ok, thanks [12:10] ali1234: you can also just file a MR and i'll take care of that [12:10] i don't even know where to start [12:10] but yeah, in case you don't a report is probably good [12:10] the retain permanent code is totally deleted [12:10] then also link it to -v-bugs [12:10] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/revision/295 [12:12] elfy, today's daily is uninstallable -> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/ubiquity.php [12:12] the problem is with ubi-console-setup.py [12:12] going for lunch then i will fix this [12:13] it works in live session though [12:13] slickymasterWork: does the panel in ubiquity work as expected though? [12:13] nopes [12:13] also if i find the greeter leaking pixmaps again i am going to be unhappy [12:14] I'm now trying to retrieve the content of /var/log/syslog === qwebirc681520 is now known as slickymasterWork [12:42] slickymasterWork: bug 1408495 [12:42] bug 1408495 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Vivid) "Ubiquity crashes prior to keyboard configuration in 15.04" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1408495 [13:15] bluesabre, ochosi: new comments -> bugs 1307545 [13:15] bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 [13:15] b3nmore claims that the default value for logind-handle-lid-switch is wrong in utopic [13:17] now with those new details we should be able to identify what's broken [14:13] okay, the retain permanent stuff was moved to a different file [14:13] but it doesn't work any more for some reason [14:27] 19222 al 20 0 19.146g 9.908g 5512 S 10.3 63.2 299:00.22 mousepad [14:27] i think we have a problem :( [14:28] on the bright side at least the computer isn't totally dying as soon as i hit swap [14:41] ali1234: tiny leaky-leak in mousepad? :} [14:41] yeah, i dunno what happened [14:41] maybe rename it to elephantpad then [14:41] largest footprint in town! [14:42] the weird thing is it wasn't growing [14:42] really odd though, i presume you only opened text-documents with it [14:42] and it's been like that for a couple of days [14:42] i've been wondering why my computer is slow for about a week now [14:43] hehe [14:44] so i'm looking at this lightdm code [14:46] it looks reasonable but it doesn't work [14:50] master doesn't even build [14:50] ./configure: line 11669: syntax error near unexpected token `0.9.5' [14:50] ./configure: line 11669: `GOBJECT_INTROSPECTION_CHECK(0.9.5)' [14:54] i can't do anything until that is fixed [15:56] ali1234: the greeter package in vivid is pretty outdated, so I've installed a newer one from the daily ppa (mid dec 2014) [15:56] and the background is now fine [15:58] now, apport detects some segfault with the newer build. I'll report it later [15:58] i can't even get it to build [15:58] I haven't tried yet [15:59] but the daily ppa is pretty outdated (maybe there weren't any changes) [16:01] can you confirm that there is some delay after pressing the login button? it takes like 4-5sec until the greeter screen is destroyed and the actual session loads [16:01] no [16:03] very odd, authentication should not take that long.. time to check the logs [16:03] and test unity-greeter :D [16:14] ali1234: restarting lightdm fixed it [16:28] so what commit is the packaged version on? [16:29] bug 1366534 [16:29] bug 1366534 in Light Display Manager "lightdm lefts a11y (at-spi*) process behind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366534 [16:29] bug 1377743 [16:29] bug 1377743 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "indicator services restart after every resume" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377743 [16:51] ochosi: been getting this http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-140115-164821.php when coming back from lock screen [16:51] any idea? seen it before? [16:51] or indeed anyone else :) [16:52] haven't get that one yet elfy :P [16:53] s/get/got [16:56] elfy: never seen that before [16:56] happens with a clean user profile too? [16:56] hard to tell as it's not a constant [16:56] I couldn't lock now and be sure to see it [17:01] okeydokey [17:01] gotta run [17:02] slickymasterWork: can't say for sure i'll make the meeting [17:02] having unforeseen guests tonight [17:02] bbl [17:02] ok ochosi [17:02] hf [17:07] forgot meeting tonight - got confused with the meeting tomorrow ... [17:10] som many meetings, so little time [18:28] xfce4-volumed: how to change the volume step size?+ [18:29] perhaps using the same alsamixer scale that is more proportional [18:51] this is a big deal with large speakers [18:56] (too loud volume from a step to one more) [18:57] why aren't you using indicator-sound? [18:58] would still do it in whatever incremement the system uses [18:58] I used to do it with amixer set [18:58] but now I just use the volume on the amp [19:07] alil1234 indicator-sound works only with mouse.. if i kill xfce4-volumed, the keyboard volume keys do not work anymore [19:08] works [19:08] yeah, that's why the step is different [19:09] please ping me too when the meeting starts - last time i missed most of it until i got a ping from someone halfway through it ;) [19:10] I'll do it dkessel ;) [19:10] so you should :p [19:11] \o/ [19:11] if I won't elfy will poke me for sure [19:11] positively [19:11] heh [19:11] heading home -> [19:12] yea ... running off more like [21:48] dkessel: 10 minute ish warning :) [21:59] !team | meeting time! [21:59] meeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 [21:59] oh, the meeting is this late [21:59] i thought i already missed it ;) [21:59] nope [21:59] it's on the wiki :D [21:59] no you haven't :) [21:59] o/ [21:59] #startmeeting [21:59] Meeting started Wed Jan 14 21:59:51 2015 UTC. The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:59] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [22:00] Who's here for the meeting? [22:00] o/ [22:00] o/ [22:00] hobgoblin is [22:00] #chair knome pleia2 elfy [22:00] Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 slickymaster [22:00] o/ [22:01] Unit193, finished eating? [22:01] so [22:01] #topic Open action items [22:01] slickymaster: Not started. [22:01] let's see [22:01] elfy -> talk with dev people about releasing/not releasing a2 [22:02] care to elaborate on that? [22:02] done - we're not [22:02] also elfy -> add proposed schedule to incentive pad (http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive) [22:02] done that [22:02] damn, you don't miss one ;) [22:02] yes, thanks elfy! [22:03] pleia2: I thought I pinged you about that - sorry if I forgot [22:03] Hey all [22:03] I think that covers it all [22:03] hi bluesabre [22:03] elfy: you did, I was in flu fugue state :) [22:03] hey bluesabre, welcome [22:03] moving on then [22:03] (on the mend now) [22:03] pleia2: oh good - thought I'd forgotten to say [22:04] #topic Team updates [22:04] pleasi don't forget to use #info [22:04] anyone? [22:04] #info QA - nothing much done since last meeting [22:04] #action pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways [22:04] ACTION: pleia2 to draft stickers+incentives blog post for QA contributor giveaways [22:04] knome, I think you have something [22:04] slickymaster, yes, please give me some time ;) [22:05] okie doke [22:05] #info light-locker integration added to xfce4 power - manager [22:05] Giving up on trying to type with my phone keyboard... [22:05] lol [22:05] #info knome worked on updating and improving the responsive design for documentation [22:06] #info pleia2 firmed up Global Jam Xubuntu QA event at Gandi on Sunday, February 8th (2000 - 0100 UTC) [22:06] would be nice to have some folks lurking around here so I can have people join and ask where to submit bugs ;) [22:06] #info knome looked at exporting docbook to pdf - exports look pretty bare/bad and images are not working correctly; the exports might not be worth it since doing that requires substantially more dependencies [22:06] also introduce the newcomers to some Xubuntu devs (make sure you don't bite them) [22:06] I'm inclined to agree with you knome [22:07] on the conversion [22:07] #info light-locker-settings removed from the seed. [22:07] Yay [22:07] #info knome and pleia2 added press/marketing contact information to xubuntu.org [22:07] #action pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo [22:07] ACTION: pleia2 to update docs.xubuntu.org, knome has updated the bzr repo [22:07] #info knome has worked hard on refreshing the website looks to match 2015/the OS [22:08] #info knome created a page with all mirrors mirroring xubuntu ISOs [22:08] busy bee [22:08] #info mirror.anl.gov (our preferred US mirror) is shutting down services on feb 1, we need to list another US mirror [22:09] #info knome finalized and copied a better looking mailman info page to -devel and -users [22:09] #action pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org [22:09] ACTION: pleia2 to copy mailman info page assets under static.xubuntu.org [22:10] #info knome cleaned up the processes wiki page, organizing stuff under subpages; feedback welcome on irc/mailing list [22:10] knome: I forget, is static.x.o stuff in a bzr repo? maybe it should be [22:10] I think it's not [22:10] pleia2, i'll set that up [22:10] thanks [22:10] I did like the new layout of the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes page [22:10] #action knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content [22:10] ACTION: knome to set up a repository for static.xubuntu.org content [22:10] hmm, i think that's it for now for my updates [22:10] me too [22:10] is not so dense/heavy now [22:11] yep, it's definitely an improvement [22:11] anything else? [22:11] and i'll update it with the qa stuff once i find it on my email [22:11] /hd [22:11] going once [22:11] as i said, from me yes [22:12] going twice [22:12] ok [22:12] #topic Announcements [22:12] nothing from me [22:12] Nothing here at the time [22:13] First milestone we'll take part in is Beta 1 wk 18 [22:14] ok team, please be sure to take an active stand on the testing side of B1 [22:14] or sooner :) [22:14] bluesabre: while that reminds me - any plans to drag anything from staging into default pre-Beta [22:15] I presume you'll be mailing everyone (ML) prior to it elfy [22:15] oh - there is the Community Council meeting tomorrow btw [22:15] slickymaster: ofc [22:15] :) [22:15] I've already done all the testing upgrades I have. [22:15] ty :) [22:15] CC meeting at what time and channel elfy? [22:15] 1700 #ubuntu-meeting [22:15] -meeting 1700UTC [22:15] ha [22:16] Elfy: stable releases and any patches we want to carry. Will work with Unit193 and ochosi [22:16] beat you :D [22:16] thanks for the heads up on that [22:16] elfy: I'm just happy we agree [22:16] bluesabre: ok :) [22:16] pleia2: lol [22:16] it's been a long week :) [22:16] and we're only half way through it pleia2 :P [22:16] indeed [22:16] alrighty [22:17] not here - weekend starts tomorrow lunch time :D [22:17] pleia2, is it too much to ask to tar the current assets somewhere? [22:17] knome: can do, sec [22:17] ta [22:17] #topic Discussion [22:17] shall rattle on a bit about newish things [22:17] #subtopic Discuss replacing gnome-calculator with galculator (to get rid of CSD) [22:18] it's still in the agenda [22:18] I thought this was now nothing to worry about? [22:18] i thought it was ok as well [22:18] still no idea what csd is [22:18] it wasn't removed from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meeting so I thought it was still an open item [22:19] Doesn't look OK here, but maybe it will later... [22:19] Yeah, I think the Ubuntu team is continuing to add patches to get rid of csd [22:19] no idea - forgotten - and I still don't know what csd is [22:19] so I would say leave it be :p [22:19] lol, will someone explain it, pretty please [22:20] Unit193, bluesabre ^^ [22:20] "Client Side Decorations" [22:20] thanks [22:20] Which means the application can decide what it's menus and stuff look like, not the window manager. [22:20] Basically applications are composited on their own instead of by xfwm, so it messes up integration and causes issues [22:21] aah ok - thanks :) [22:22] wasn't something else the *same* ? [22:22] Xfce had acceptable support for it now, but it can still be a headache [22:22] fwiw, branch for static assets set up (not updated for new stuff yet) [22:22] thanks knome [22:22] thanks knome [22:23] just a general discussion thing, I'm a bit over-committed this cycle between Real Job and other things, if anyone has interest in marketing blueprint things (like picking up with surveys) please jump in, I might not get to them [22:24] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-marketing [22:24] looking [22:24] * slickymaster also [22:24] pleia2, i just marked one of your items to DONE today ;) [22:24] I could find some time given that qa is taking so much of my time this cycle [22:25] I thought I wouldn't travel as much, but it turns out I really like airplanes [22:25] knome: yeah! [22:25] pleia2: wing me what you have for the user survey 1 and I'll have a look [22:25] i won't promise anything, but i'll be working with the flyers anyway, so getting those printed might be done by somebody else than you [22:25] knome, haven't you already sorted out the alignment for printing? [22:25] slickymaster, mostly, see the whiteboard [22:25] given that it's in progress [22:25] ok [22:26] elfy: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-user-identifies-as [22:26] elfy: our last discussion on it went bikeshed, so I lost all energy [22:26] :( [22:26] i'm sorry [22:26] yea - kind of saw that [22:26] pleia2: I'll see if I can move it on [22:27] blueprinted me for those 2 [22:27] knome: no one's fault, I don't know what I'm doing survey-wise so it's hard to argue my simple-is-good points :) [22:27] heh [22:27] thanks elfy [22:27] welcome - might motivate me a bit more than I am atm :) [22:28] linked the survey pad ot the whiteboard for future reference [22:28] go elfy go elfy go elfy [22:28] good idea knome [22:28] brb [22:28] * slickymaster usually spends some time looking for the pad's urls [22:29] * elfy doesn't - or just looks in his index of stuff :D [22:30] anything else anyone wants to throw to the table? [22:31] ok, this one was a short one [22:31] #action pleia2 to schedule next meeting [22:31] ACTION: pleia2 to schedule next meeting [22:31] yea [22:31] #endmeeting [22:31] Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 22:31:35 2015 UTC. [22:31] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-01-14-21.59.moin.txt [22:31] sorry and all that :) [22:31] aw man [22:31] oh good lord [22:31] lol [22:31] bad slickymaster :| [22:31] :p [22:31] no escape pleia2 [22:32] :) [22:32] i'll do pleia2's meeting [22:32] now to fight the wiki [22:32] bluesabre: one of the things that maybe we could look at - the imgur in screenshots that Unit193 has - really like that [22:32] pleia2, that is, if you don't necessarily want to do it... [22:32] knome: thanks, it's ok, I'll do it :) [22:33] oki [22:33] back [22:33] as you wish [22:33] will have to be next week though, because then fosdem [22:33] elfy: that does sound like a good one [22:33] next week sounds fair, not again too many updates ;) [22:34] bluesabre: yea - but mostly what I was getting at was mousepad seems to be a bit more *advanced* in staging than the dev version - don't use parole enough to notice [22:35] but getting as many of those things in before 23rd February means they'd be there for B1 [22:35] yeah, I think (hopefully) we'll have a new stable mousepad soon... the -staging one is pretty great compared to whats in the archive [22:35] and as well as pointing testers at milestones we can ALSO point them at those things [22:35] ofc - if they're in before - we can just point people at those - BUT [22:36] I'd like enough notice to be able to get the testcases updated :D [22:36] looks like feature freeze is feb 23, so we'll start pushing now [22:36] yay [22:36] woops [22:36] feb 19 [22:36] heh [22:36] just enough time anyway [22:36] bluesabre: oh - yea ofc - so week before B1 :) [22:37] I'll be in Oman [22:37] D: [22:37] that imgur thing's probably the thing I've missed most since the clean install I did last week [22:37] :D [22:37] not got Unit193's ppa in yet [22:37] pleia2, o [22:37]