[16:02] <sil2100> o/
[16:02] <robru> morning
[16:03]  * stgraber waves
[16:03] <jodh> o/
[16:04] <cyphermox> o/
[16:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 15 16:04:33 2015 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:04] <sil2100> Please be warned, my internet connectivity comes in waves
[16:04] <sil2100> So I apologize if I take long to asnswer
[16:04] <slangasek> :)
[16:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru)
[16:05] <sil2100> *answer damn it
[16:05] <slangasek> mvo jodh infinity doko bdmurray robru sil2100 stgraber barry caribou slangasek
[16:05] <slangasek> mvo is off this afternoon
[16:05] <slangasek> jodh:
[16:05] <doko> mehh, cjwatson escaped ...
[16:06] <jodh> * snappy:
[16:06] <jodh>   - Yet more boot polish :)
[16:07] <jodh> ▣
[16:08] <slangasek> infinity:
[16:08] <infinity> * I've been sick, so don't recall everything I did or didn't do
[16:08] <infinity> * Played with the usual kernel SRU stuff
[16:08] <infinity> * Worked more on IBM PPC packages
[16:08] <infinity> * Babysat a PPC and ARM server move in 1SS and restored all our infra
[16:08] <infinity> * Stuff and things
[16:08] <infinity> [...]
[16:09] <slangasek> doko:
[16:09] <doko> back from vacation, catching up on email, currently updating openjdk
[16:09] <doko> (done)
[16:10] <bdmurray> tested of ReleaseFirstSeen and ReleaseLastSeen in canonistack
[16:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT #77829 regarding updating oops-repository in staging
[16:10] <bdmurray> modified errors front end to display Release name instead of package version for first and last seen
[16:10] <bdmurray> worked on javascript changes in errors to display the package pocket
[16:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT #77923 regarding updating errors / daisy in staging for (15.04 (U)) display of stuff
[16:10] <bdmurray> created armhf crashes received graph in graphite
[16:10] <bdmurray> updating the error tracker to work with python-django 1.6 (LP: #1291604)
[16:10] <bdmurray> uploaded updated T and U fixes for rsyslog bug LP: #1366829
[16:10] <bdmurray> irc discussion with pmcgowan regarding the error tracker and how to use it
[16:10] <bdmurray> helped somebody write an apport package hook
[16:10] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:10] <bdmurray> uploaded packages to vivid to get debug symbols for all architectures
[16:11] <robru> * started working on irc bot support for CI Engine Ticket System
[16:11] <robru>   - have a fix for queuebot spamming the channel every time it starts, just need to deploy that...
[16:11] <robru> * Hotfix for unhandled exception in CI Train failing to identify supported arches for source packages that don't exist at the destination archive
[16:11] <robru> * Completed staging deployment of CI Train
[16:11] <robru> * Wrote wiki page with staging deployment instructions https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/CI/Playbook/StagingTrain
[16:11] <robru> * Added initial details to mojo spec to support production deployment of CI Train (RT 77970)
[16:11] <robru>   - one branch defining SSL configuration.
[16:11] <robru>   - second branch defining SSO configuration.
[16:11] <robru> * Published a bunch of silos as always.
[16:11] <robru> (done)
[16:11] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silos coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[16:11] <sil2100> - Fixing broken commitlog generation infrastructure
[16:11] <sil2100> - Backlogging on e-mails
[16:11] <sil2100> - Attending discussions related to future post-RTM branching plans
[16:11] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[16:11] <sil2100> - Coordinating landings and releases for this weeks milestone
[16:11] <sil2100> - Setting up VPN access
[16:11] <sil2100> - Reviewing and testing big feature addition to appmenu-qt5
[16:11] <sil2100> - Reading up about systemd!
[16:12] <sil2100> - Preparing new formal rules for trainguard duty * Making sure there's always a trainguard per timezone * Finding resources for constant maintenance * Preparing trainging of new trainguards
[16:12] <sil2100> - Writing up milestone reports: for the current and previous ones
[16:12] <sil2100> - Slowed down by a cold
[16:12] <sil2100> Next week:
[16:12] <sil2100> - Finalizing the new trainguard process with Alexander
[16:12] <sil2100> - Finishing automation of landing e-mails
[16:12] <sil2100> - Preparing for the big milestone at the end of the month
[16:12] <sil2100> (done)
[16:13] <stgraber> container stuff:
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Released LXCFS 0.1, updated our website for it and uploaded to the archive
[16:13] <stgraber>  - LXC and LXD code reviews
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Debugged and submitted a bunch of systemd fixes for unprivileged containers
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Setup a new arm64 buildd (the previous one was unexpectedly decommissioned)
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Various meetings about LXD
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Discussions with the Linux Foundation about ContainerCon 2015
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Figured the last details about Linux Collaboration Summit 2015
[16:13] <stgraber>  
[16:13] <stgraber> system-image stuff:
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Talks about system-image mirrors
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Tweaked the configuration for snappy armhf
[16:13] <stgraber>  - Introduced version_detail for all images
[16:13] <stgraber>  
[16:13] <stgraber> qatracker:
[16:14] <stgraber>  - Fixed a couple of small bugs in the LP sync script
[16:14] <stgraber>  - Re-cronned all of our scripts (crontab got emptied somehow)
[16:14] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:14] <barry> si: repairing trunk test suite.  nearly finished with LP: #1373467 branch (config.d directory) - one test suite issue left, then will land in trunk.
[16:14] <barry> snappy: debugged max recursion issue.  reviewed mvo's patch in upstream python (issue 23228).  other stuff.
[16:14] <barry> debuntu: LP: #1398059.  more git-dpm testing for debian-python.  review python-lockfile 1:0.10.2-1.  debian bug #774213
[16:14] <barry> other: python-graphite issue 1081 debugging (python setuptools). finally updated some shared administrivia files from ubuntu one to spideroak.  python-world 3.1.
[16:14] <barry> done
[16:16] <slangasek> and no caribou today, ok
[16:16] <slangasek>  * snappy development work ongoing
[16:16] <slangasek>   * fixed an issue with boot delays under systemd if no DHCP server was present
[16:16] <slangasek>   * discussed libnss-extrausers and the open questions of adduser
[16:16] <slangasek>  * open job req for Foundations tech lead.  Know anyone interested?
[16:16] <slangasek>  * upstart-systemd porting sprint, ongoing today/tomorrow on #ubuntu-devel - making good progress on the list of upstart jobs
[16:16] <slangasek> (done)
[16:16] <slangasek> any questions over status?
[16:16] <cyphermox> slangasek: might want to add me to your script in the future?
[16:17] <slangasek> cyphermox: in the future yes - do you want to report anything today?
[16:17] <cyphermox> I don't have anything relevant to report, no
[16:17] <slangasek> feel free, but I wasn't going to put you on the spot :)
[16:17] <slangasek> ok
[16:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:18] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:18] <barry> monday is a usa holiday
[16:18] <bdmurray> Who is the best person to look at bug 1408495?
[16:18] <sil2100> Yay for cyphermox in teh team
[16:18] <infinity> I want pie.
[16:18] <cyphermox> hey, I want pie too, fax me some?
[16:18] <robru> cyphermox: welcome!
[16:19] <infinity> cyphermox: You can have pie if you look at bug 1408495
[16:19]  * barry wants pypipypypie
[16:19] <slangasek> cyphermox: do you have time to look at bug #1408495?
[16:19] <cyphermox> this afternoon I might, otherwise tomorrow
[16:19] <cyphermox> I'll ask questions as appropriate
[16:19] <slangasek> sounds good, thanks
[16:20] <cyphermox> this is good, I can use my fancy french keyboard to reproduce the issue
[16:20] <infinity> FANCY FRENCH KEYBOARD.
[16:20] <infinity> HON HON HON.
[16:21] <slangasek> yes, the good old azathoth layout
[16:21] <cyphermox> you haven't seen the fr_CA keyboards blessed by OLF yet
[16:21] <slangasek> ok, clearly this meeting has run its course
[16:21] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 15 16:21:47 2015 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-01-15-16.04.moin.txt
[16:21] <slangasek> thanks :)
[16:21] <infinity> The en_CA keyboards with the random pointless French keys are bad enough.
[16:21] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: with the little man climbing the stairs icon, etc? :)
[16:21] <infinity> Which is why I buy en_US keyboards.
[16:22] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: https://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ressources/bibliotheque/depliants/20110819_clavier_normalise.pdf
[16:22] <stgraber> infinity: oh yeah, that canadian multilingual keyboard is awful. I only really saw it in Federal government offices though
[16:22] <cyphermox> I don't remember seeing the man climbing the stairs ;)
[16:22] <stgraber> infinity: quebec have yet another fr_CA layout which is different from that. And then everyone in their right mind uses a US keyboard :)
[16:22] <infinity> stgraber: IBM misguidedly shipped it as the default layout on some of their SKUs for a while, and ordering from IBM US was the only way to avoid it.
[16:23] <stgraber> (with one of the international layouts so we can still type accents and stuff fine)
[16:23] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: the older acnor ones had a man climbing stairs as the alternative key IIRC
[16:23] <cyphermox> oh, the acnor.
[16:24] <mdeslaur> infinity: oh, yuck
[16:25] <stgraber> I've had DELL screw up when ordering keyboards from them but haven't had any problem with Lenovo so far.
[16:25] <cyphermox> infinity: I ordered that keyboard on purpose on my thinkpad. I'll let you laugh at me when I see you
[16:26] <stgraber> Also a friend of mine told me that Apple's site which sells you refurbished hardware doesn't mention what keyboard the hardware has, so if you are in Canada and order from that, it's keyboard layout roulette (with either canadian multilingual, fr_CA or US)
[16:26] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: on purpose? with the weird shaped vertical enter key?
[16:26] <infinity> stgraber: Well, hard to say if the period I'm discussing was IBM's or Lenovo's fault (machine was branded Lenovo, but I was on the phone with IBM) but, yeah, I got it with a scary Canadian keyboard, and the only recourse I was given was to return the Canadian one, and then talk to a US rep (which was an extension transfer in the same call center, lolz) to order a US one.
[16:26] <infinity> stgraber: But the Canadian folks literally had no way to send me a US one.
[16:26] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: no, it was a corner enter key
[16:26] <stgraber> infinity: oh wow :)
[16:27] <cyphermox> yuck
[16:27] <stgraber> infinity: well, Lenovo still has that weird setup today that Thinkpad support is provided by IBM. With different phone numbers for Thinkpads and other cheaper Lenovos because of that.
[16:28] <stgraber> but I've had IBM tech support in Canada ship me replacement US keyboards in the past, so they must have figured that one out now :)
[16:29] <infinity> stgraber: It was an Ideapad, not a Thinkpad, which doesn't help.  Canadian VARs keep stock of en_US keyboard FRUs for Thinkpads, but the Ideapad is sort of sold as an all-in-one as-is deal: you get what you get, and scew you if you wanted something different.
[16:30] <xnox> infinity: yes. I've moved to Dell XPS from idea/thinkpads, works good and has nice ubuntu logo engraved on the back.
[16:31] <infinity> stgraber: I just thought it was bizarre that someone's market research in Canada determined that what all Canadians wanted was a keyboard layout that 85% of us have never even seen before. :P
[16:31] <stgraber> :)
[16:32] <mdeslaur> infinity: and that of the remaining 15%, most people deliberately try to avoid :P
[16:32] <infinity> mdeslaur: Good for you.  Fight the power.
[16:32] <stgraber> xnox: but no trackpoint and you get some coil noise (if that's an XPS 13) which would drive me nuts pretty quickly (whether you can hear it depends on people)
[16:34] <stgraber> mdeslaur: where it gets ridiculous is when you're in a Quebec company with > 50 employees, because then you HAVE to have french keyboards...
[16:34] <cyphermox> ight
[16:34] <cyphermox> *right
[16:35] <cyphermox> otherwise *everyone* avoids those abominations
[16:35] <stgraber> "Hardware includes keyboards, printers, fax machines, smart devices andother data-input and output peripherals. Indications on command buttons andkeyboards must be in French. If applicable, an electronic display in Frenchmay reproduce or generate French diacritical marks (acute and grave accents, cedilla, diaeresis)."
[16:36] <infinity> mdeslaur: Do you use compose or dead keys when typing in French on your US keyboard?
[16:36] <cyphermox> infinity: good to see you're well aware of just how ridiculously complicated this all is
[16:37] <infinity> cyphermox: Dude, I type in Japanese on US keyboards, you ain't got nothing on me.
[16:37] <cyphermox> oh boy
[16:37] <xnox> stgraber: i can at night, true.
[16:38] <infinity> cyphermox: Basically, typing in Japanese means *every* key is a dead key.
[16:38] <infinity> cyphermox: You type vaguely phonetically, and then every once in a while, a character pops out.
[16:39] <cyphermox> yeah, I've played with it too
[16:40] <stgraber> same thing with Pinyin for Chinese, though you typically always have characters show up sorted by probability, then you pick from those
[16:40] <infinity> stgraber: Japanese is more messed up than Chinese, cause it reduces between three character sets.
[16:41] <infinity> stgraber: So, you start out with a few phonetic characters, then it goes "HEY, I CAN TURN THOSE INTO SOMETHING SMALLER", which it does, then it goes "HOLY CRAP, I CAN TURN ALL OF THAT INTO A SINGLE KANJI", and you just marvel at the magic and go about your day.
[16:42] <stgraber> :)
[16:48] <cjwatson> I use compose for Irish, if only because apostrophe not being apostrophe bugs the hell out of me
[16:48] <cjwatson> (but I only type a pretty limited amount in Irish, as yet ...)
[17:00]  * pleia2 waves
[17:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting Community Council
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 15 17:01:15 2015 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:01] <pleia2> #chair czajkowski
[17:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: czajkowski pleia2
[17:02] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:02] <pleia2> today we're hoping to do a catchup with the Xubuntu team and Ubuntu Studio
[17:02] <pleia2> anyone from either of those teams about? :)
[17:04] <elfy> you and me probably ...
[17:04]  * pleia2 nods
[17:04] <pleia2> we never got a reply from the studio folks when you told them about this meeting
[17:05] <elfy> nope
[17:05] <dholbach> o/
[17:05] <dholbach> sorry, another meeting took a bit longer than expected
[17:05] <czajkowski> dholbach: np
[17:06] <pleia2> #chair dholbach elfy
[17:06] <meetingology> Current chairs: czajkowski dholbach elfy pleia2
[17:06] <pleia2> #topic Xubuntu catch up
[17:06]  * pleia2 switches to Xubuntu hat
[17:06] <czajkowski> pleia2: so how are things in the land of Xubuntu ?
[17:07] <pleia2> manual testing continues to be a challenge volunteer-wise, but in general things look pretty healthy
[17:07] <dholbach> are there many changes planned in this cycle?
[17:07] <dholbach> are lots of things happening upstream right now?
[17:08] <pleia2> nothing major, elfy?
[17:08]  * dholbach hasn't really followed xfce development in the last time
[17:09] <elfy> nothing major afaik
[17:10] <dholbach> ok... I just wasn't sure if there were any big things which needed integration - like new stuff in gtk or whatever or new features
[17:10] <pleia2> our new features blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-features
[17:10] <pleia2> pretty standard set of changes for us
[17:10] <czajkowski> pleia2: what are the challenges that ye face?
[17:10] <elfy> dholbach: the gtk update I believe we dealt with pretty much
[17:10] <pleia2> we were worried about systemd early on, but that's not happening this cycle so :)
[17:11] <elfy> well it is - but later :)
[17:11] <dholbach> and a trello board
[17:11] <dholbach> you look well organised! :)
[17:11] <czajkowski> +1
[17:11] <pleia2> czajkowski: aside from lack of volunteers for some of the day to day stuff like testing, none really
[17:11] <elfy> dholbach: trello - tried that for a cycle - not using it now
[17:11] <elfy> I use it for qa is all
[17:11] <dholbach> ah ok... it was mentioned on the blueprint
[17:11] <pleia2> yeah, we're back to just blueprints
[17:12] <czajkowski> pleia2: ack. getting volunteers across the board does seeem to be an issue a lot of teams face
[17:12] <elfy> dholbach: oh - that was just a specific board for a specific issue
[17:12] <dholbach> I see
[17:12] <pleia2> I'm hosting a QA jam for Xubuntu next month, hopefully drum up some local contributors
[17:13] <dholbach> we do the community Q&A sessions every week - I was just wondering if anyone of you could join us and maybe show off some of the work you've been doing or talk about what where help's required
[17:14] <pleia2> I can pass along the request to the team
[17:14] <dholbach> maybe some kind of hangout before UGJ might help as well to get more testers signed up
[17:14] <dholbach> that'd be great
[17:14] <dholbach> we're always happy to have people to talk to in there
[17:15] <dholbach> every minute interviewing somebody in the hangout is a minute less where somebody asks "is the phone out yet?" :-)
[17:15] <pleia2> hehe
[17:15] <elfy> ha ha ha
[17:15] <dholbach> excellent... so yeah... I will try to start another conversation about UGJ again
[17:16] <pleia2> great
[17:16] <dholbach> it'd be great if we invited some more testers there again
[17:16] <dholbach> balloons, ^ more testers! :-P
[17:16] <balloons> pleia2, I saw, good luck and let me know if you need anything. You're a pro at this now :-)
[17:17] <elfy> that's be nice - though what we tend to fight most against (at least I do) is the fact that half the time people can't even get a usb to work properly without random hacks to boot them :(
[17:17] <pleia2> balloons: thanks, will do :)
[17:17] <dholbach> how did the general coordination with the desktop team go?
[17:17] <dholbach> were there any problems wrt gkt/gnome bits and so on?
[17:18] <pleia2> I don't know
[17:18]  * elfy neither
[17:19] <elfy> I *think* that in general we get help most of the time when we drop by
[17:19] <dholbach> ok... just thought I'd bring it up -- I think it's been a while since Ubuntu's and Xubuntu's desktop goals resulted in technical conflict situations
[17:19] <elfy> but ochosi would be the one to answer that
[17:19] <dholbach> ok
[17:20] <dholbach> how do you get most feedback from Xubuntu users?
[17:20]  * mhall119 is here now
[17:20] <dholbach> mhall119, hey hey
[17:21] <pleia2> social media
[17:21] <elfy> dholbach: across the support board mostly - some social stuff - pleia2 would know more of that
[17:21] <pleia2> we're putting together a poll this cycle to ask more specific questions about the users and their usage
[17:21] <pleia2> the user list and #xubuntu usually allow us to collect pain points, most of the devs chip in for support at least on IRC
[17:22] <pleia2> s/list/mailing list
[17:23] <dholbach> that sounds great - having a good feedback loop should help a lot in improving Xubuntu, and bringing users close enough to the team to get them to help out eventually :)
[17:23] <elfy> dholbach: we can but hope so
[17:24] <elfy> certainly from my point of view - it's gone backwards
[17:24] <dholbach> backwards in which way?
[17:24] <pleia2> the reviews for this past release have been pretty glowing http://xubuntu.org/press/
[17:24] <elfy> holbach: testing, lack of :)
[17:24] <pleia2> so folks writing distro reviews think improvements are being made :)
[17:24] <dholbach> :-D
[17:24] <dholbach> elfy, ok
[17:25] <pleia2> yeah, testing, no fun when elfy ends up doing most of it as QA lead :\
[17:25] <dholbach> right
[17:25] <dholbach> maybe, when you do the poll, you could also ask people how they found out about the poll - maybe that'd help to figure out which channels they use and where you could get in touch more?
[17:26] <czajkowski> elfy: why do you think people don't get involved?
[17:26] <elfy> really have no idea czajkowski
[17:26] <czajkowski> is there an incentive to get involved?
[17:26] <czajkowski> like making a fuss of their work
[17:26] <czajkowski> or a blog post
[17:27] <pleia2> it's tedious, and making usb sticks is hard and there aren't great instructions that work universally
[17:27] <elfy> the lts effort was really really good - last cycle was quiet - expected, this cycle is unfortunately worse
[17:27] <czajkowski> a reason for people to feel like they are contributing
[17:27] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye
[17:27] <pleia2> elfy notes all contributors in his announcements
[17:27] <dholbach> that's really really nice
[17:27] <pleia2> we do blog posts, emails directly to all the testing members and to -devel list
[17:27] <dholbach> wow
[17:27] <pleia2> this cycle we're giving out stickers to some of our top testers
[17:27] <elfy> if we get that sorted
[17:27] <pleia2> share on social media too
[17:28] <elfy> that's just sat around gathering dust for months now though - not blaming anyone though :)
[17:28] <pleia2> a lot of the docs still tell folks to use testdrive too, which is just virtualized testing and not everything we need (I haven't used testdrive in a while and not even sure it works?)
[17:29] <dholbach> maybe we should have a discussion about this on ubuntu-devel@ or something?
[17:29] <dholbach> to figure out what we can recommend
[17:29] <dholbach> and make sure that it works
[17:29] <pleia2> perhaps
[17:30] <elfy> I gave up trying to collate what worked where and with which version
[17:30] <elfy> there's a bug for a lot of it - try and find it
[17:30] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1325801
[17:31] <dholbach> yeah, I'm subscribed to that one :)
[17:31] <elfy> then some people use unetbootin - that has issues
[17:31] <elfy> dholbach: :)
[17:31] <elfy> even had dd failing to work
[17:31] <dholbach> but yeah... I think it'd help to try to get everyone's attention and point them at the problem, so we can figure this out together
[17:31] <pleia2> and dd only works if your usb stick isn't that awful cheapo one you picked up at a conference ;)
[17:31] <dholbach> I'm sure you're not the only ones wondering about what to recommend
[17:32] <pleia2> even then, dd is hard on usb sticks
[17:32] <pleia2> most weren't meant for such aggressive writing
[17:32]  * dholbach nods
[17:32] <elfy> I did a clean install the other day with usb-creator - still the same bug, creating vivid stick from within vivid
[17:33] <pleia2> I can take notes about pain points during the global jam in a few weeks
[17:33] <elfy> might be useful to get some direction from the Community QA guy with this usb issue - whoever that is :p
[17:34] <elfy> *cough*
[17:34] <dholbach> right, I pinged him about it
[17:34] <elfy> he hates me :p
[17:34] <dholbach> all right... mhall119, czajkowski: any more questions from you while we have the xubuntu folks here? :)
[17:34] <elfy> I always ask awkward things :)
[17:35] <dholbach> elfy, I don't believe you :)
[17:35] <elfy> he he he
[17:35] <dholbach> I'm super happy with what you have done, especially when I heard how you invite people into the Xubuntu community
[17:35] <dholbach> that's just great :)
[17:36] <elfy> yea - agreed :)
[17:36] <dholbach> I'm all done with questions :)
[17:36] <elfy> I've got none for me either :)
[17:36] <pleia2> :)
[17:36] <dholbach> have we heard from any ubuntu studio folks?
[17:36] <pleia2> no
[17:37] <dholbach> does anyone have any other subjects you wanted to discuss?
[17:37] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:38] <elfy> shout out to ian-weisser and those involved with http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/find-a-task
[17:38] <pleia2> yeah \o/
[17:38] <dholbach> woohoo    *\o/*
[17:38] <dholbach> yes, great work :)
[17:38] <elfy> lovely to see something come of the discussions on the community mailing lists
[17:38] <pleia2> nice to see something come out of the flurry of discussion on the community team list in Nov-Dec
[17:38] <pleia2> elfy: great minds!
[17:38] <elfy> :)
[17:38] <dholbach> :-)
[17:39] <elfy> he made a thread on the forum re that - I copied it and stuck those
[17:39] <pleia2> cool
[17:40] <elfy> I guess we should try and kick start some of that pre-xmas stuff now the hols are well and truly done with
[17:40] <dholbach> yeah, now we can make find-a-task more prominent on the page and we should be good :)
[17:40] <Laney> what's wrong with the CSS on http://packaging.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:40]  * Laney just found-a-tasked his way to that :-)
[17:40] <elfy> :)
[17:40] <dholbach> urgh
[17:41] <dholbach> it was OK this morning... or the day before
[17:41] <knome> it's linking to non-existing files
[17:41] <knome> http://developer.ubuntu.com/wp-content/themes/wordpress-theme-ubuntudeveloper/css/*
[17:41] <dholbach> ahaaaaaaaa!
[17:41] <dholbach> all right
[17:41] <dholbach> we need to fix that
[17:42] <pleia2> reminds me, who do we nudge about loco.ubuntu.com's planet-like feed being stuck in december?
[17:42] <pleia2> hasn't updated in a few weeks
[17:42] <dholbach> pleia2, mhall119 or daker would know
[17:42] <dholbach> Laney, I can look into it tomorrow unless somebody beats me to it
[17:42] <pleia2> thanks
[17:42] <knome> while somebody is working on packaging.*, there are two invalid links
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[17:43] <knome> add a space before class="..."
[17:43] <dholbach> knome, noted down
[17:43] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could get packaging.u.c closer to how developer.u.c is laid out now
[17:44] <dholbach> much nicer to read
[17:44] <knome> hard to say what the difference is with the css files being nonexistant :)
[17:44] <dholbach> like if you look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/ for example
[17:44] <dholbach> knome, sure :)
[17:45] <dholbach> anyway... not subject of this meeting - thanks in any case for pointing out what's broken
[17:45] <knome> dholbach, if there are small things and canonical design/IS says it's outside their scope, you can generally try to ping me to see if i can help
[17:45] <dholbach> knome, that'd be great - what happened in the case of packaging.u.c was that it relied on CSS of developer.u.c when it was still a wordpress site
[17:45] <dholbach> that changed a couple of days ago :)
[17:46] <knome> dholbach, yep, looks like it
[17:46] <dholbach> I'll file a bug
[17:46] <knome> dholbach, maybe the files are safe somewhere though, and can be put back at least temporarily
[17:46] <dholbach> for me that's going to be tomorrow morning, I will need to run in a few
[17:48] <dholbach> filed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/1411349 for now
[17:48] <dholbach> ok... anything else?
[17:48] <dholbach> if not, let's wrap up this meeting :)
[17:48] <elfy> not from me
[17:48] <dholbach> I'm all set
[17:48] <dholbach> pleia2, czajkowski, mhall119? anyone else?
[17:48] <pleia2> all done
[17:49] <mhall119> not from me
[17:49] <dholbach> brilliant
[17:49] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[17:49] <dholbach> and have a great rest of your day!
[17:49] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 15 17:49:48 2015 UTC.
[17:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-01-15-17.01.moin.txt
[17:49] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:49]  * dholbach hugs pleia2
[17:49] <pleia2> :)
[17:49] <dholbach> see you! :)
[17:49] <pleia2> have a good evening
[17:50] <elfy> thanks everyone :)
[17:50] <dholbach> thanks