[06:11] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:35] <mapps> hi all
[06:35] <mapps> morning knightwise
[06:44] <knightwise> mornin mapps
[06:44] <knightwise> how are you doing today
[06:45] <mapps> not bad just got in from work 20mins ago
[06:45] <mapps> watching an ep of stalker then bed:)
[06:45] <knightwise> I just got up
[06:46] <knightwise> doing some little things before I go work for the client
[06:46] <mapps> wheres t5he client
[06:46] <knightwise> one of them is installing emulation station on my pi
[06:46] <knightwise> Client is in brussels , but i'm working from home today
[06:47] <mapps> emulation station??
[06:47] <knightwise> http://www.emulationstation.org/gettingstarted.html#install_rpi_standalone
[06:47] <mapps> will have a rad
[06:47] <mapps> read
[06:47] <mapps> not sure what its for:)
[06:47] <knightwise> retro games
[06:47] <mapps> ah cool
[06:49] <knightwise> played with retropie for a bit but I cant seem to get the controller working
[06:49] <knightwise> deciding to give emulation station a try on top of raspbian
[06:51] <mapps> what controller you using?
[06:53] <knightwise> some simple nintendo clone usb controller
[08:00] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:13] <knightwise> Mooooh Dooo !
[08:27] <MooDoo> :D
[08:33] <knightwise> hey MooDoo, hows it hangin dude
[08:37] <MooDoo> knightwise: just tried failover on my websserver, it worked so I'm a happy bunny :D
[08:38] <knightwise> i'm compiling "emulation station" on my raspberry pie
[08:38] <knightwise> its gonna take ages
[08:38] <MooDoo> I'm using hyper-v cough cough
[08:40] <knightwise> ive got faster machines over here too , but the pie is working pretty well for me
[08:40] <knightwise> its limited possibilities help me focus a little more
[08:43] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:44] <MooDoo> sweeet, my pie is in a box somewhere in my garage lol
[08:44] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2 ow am ya
[08:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: Rockin dude you?
[08:44] <knightwise> i'm amazed how many geeks 'throw out' their raspberry pie when they are done with it
[08:44] <knightwise> (or run out of patience with it)
[08:45] <knightwise> I always thought they would at least keep it in service on some project like a webserver or something
[08:46] <MooDoo> knightwise: I've never even plugged it in,
[08:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah man ok thanks :D
[08:46] <knightwise> MooDoo: blasphemy :p
[08:47]  * knightwise thinks MooDoo should ship it to him :)
[08:47] <knightwise> I'll adopt it :)
[08:47] <knightwise> give it a pet name
[08:47] <knightwise> put it to good use
[08:48] <knightwise> call it 'Moodoopuppy'
[08:48] <MooDoo> lol if i can find it you are welcome to it
[08:48] <knightwise> LOL
[08:48] <knightwise> MooDoo: you're not one of those hoarders are you ?
[08:49] <knightwise> brb , reboot
[08:49] <MooDoo> knightwise: moi [yes]
[08:49] <davmor2> knightwise: I don't like the name Moodoopolis sounds much better
[08:49] <knightwise> MooDoo: I ghasp !
[08:49] <knightwise> davmor2: lets make MooDoo 's pi into a bedroom webcam with https access
[08:49] <knightwise> lets see how fast he will find it then
[08:58] <MooDoo> lol it's currently in the garage in a box somewhere
[09:32] <cocoa117> with ubuntu preseed, is there any documentation for partman, partman-lvm, partman-auto, partman-* etc so I know all the avaliable variables to use?
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Super Bowl I Anniverary Day! :-P
[09:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: hmmmmm maybe pick something we might care about ;)
[09:57] <davmor2> Happy soup bowl day :)
[09:58] <JamesTait> davmor2, I care about the Super Bowl. Even if I am too old to stay up late enough to watch it these days. ;)
[10:01] <knightwise> hey guys
[10:50] <davmor2> knightwise: hey
[10:50] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[10:50] <knightwise> how are you today
[10:50] <davmor2> busy :)
[10:51] <davmor2> JamesTait: you were born in a Rugby playing nation your wife comes from another rugby playing nation, why would you watch the wussy we need padding naff version ;)
[10:53] <JamesTait> davmor2, liking American football doesn't preclude me from enjoying rugby as well. ;) Besides, without seeing the pouring rain, how am I supposed to appreciate the sunshine?
[10:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: you watch the springboks play sun, you watch the all blacks play sun, you watch Australia play sun, you watch England play rain/grey, you watch Wales play RAIN, you watch Scotland play Torrential Down POUR!
[10:56] <davmor2> oh :P
[10:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:57] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:58] <davmor2> brobostigon: morning dude
[10:58] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait and davmor2
[10:59] <knightwise> Good morning sir brobostigon
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning knightwise
[11:09] <ThomasRedstone> davmor2, you forgot snow, fog, hail, mostly for Scotland :-)
[11:10] <davmor2> ThomasRedstone: haha
[11:16] <knightwise> Man .. We have so much wind here it feels like we're in friggin Mongolia
[11:16] <davmor2> knightwise: you might want to ease of eating beans then
[11:21] <knightwise> pfffff!
[11:22] <davmor2> knightwise: see there you go again being all windy ;)
[11:23] <knightwise> There is no fart unicode to express my flatulence
[11:25] <davmor2> http://www.emoji-dictionary.com/emoji-21901--Fart*farting.html
[11:32] <JamesTait> Trust davmor2! ;)
[11:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: I just googled
[11:34] <awilkins> I usually use the tortoise
[11:35] <awilkins> Somehow it's funnier when it's a fart-powered tortoise going *zooom*
[11:35]  * JamesTait shudders to think what davmor2's Google search history looks like.
[11:38] <knightwise> sendemail = Great
[11:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: looks like google docs, launchpad and fart unicode symbol for today :)
[11:39] <knightwise> just spoofed an email from Facebook to my mum in law warning her about her impending candy crush addiction and how it has negative repurcussions on her family
[11:39] <davmor2> oh and moztrap
[11:39] <knightwise> she was on the phone with my wife 5 minutes later asking "how they knew" :)
[11:40] <davmor2> hahaha
[11:40] <DJones> Heh love it, http://poolhouse.s3.amazonaws.com/blog-assets-two/2015/01/pwJ2n4U.gif
[11:40]  * knightwise is a little evil when it comes to teasing mum in law
[11:54] <ThomasRedstone> lmao, nice! :-)
[11:57] <shauno> pretty windy here too knightwise.  I suspect if we stuck a sail up, we may be able to drive the whole island into the mainland
[11:58] <ThomasRedstone> For most people here, is Ubuntu your primary OS?
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> xubuntu + xubuntu + raspian + s40 + android
[12:05] <_sparr0w> afternoon
[12:05] <Myrtti> Ubuntu and Android.
[12:06] <_sparr0w> just saying I'm currently using 14.04 LTS, nice and stable :)
[12:09] <brobostigon> ubuntu - debian - android - Haiku'OS
[12:38] <ThomasRedstone> I'm just using Ubuntu and Android (never really considered that an OS choice before), though I do have a wide range of distros in Vbox
[12:39] <ThomasRedstone> I dropped Windows when it just wouldn't let Vagrant work :-P Which happened to be the same time as I bought a new SSD, before that I dual booted with Windows 8, and if Vagrant had worked, I'd probably never have stopped dual booting...
[12:49] <knightwise> Whats Vagrant ?
[12:52] <ThomasRedstone> it's a tool that works with Virtualbox, or VMWare to give easily replicated development environments, so you can share one config file with people you work with, and they can work on a pretty accurate replica of a production system fairly quickly
[12:53] <knightwise> ThomasRedstone: cool stuff
[12:56] <awilkins> Using Ubuntu 14.04 on desktop, 14.10 on laptop
[12:56] <awilkins> Use Ubuntu for server VMs but I still keep Windows in a virtualbox for Office
[12:56] <ThomasRedstone> Yeah, it would have made dual boot seamless, if Windows had played nice, but screw Windows, if I *really* need it, I have an XP instance in Virtual Box
[12:56] <knightwise> 14.04 on the desktop
[12:56] <popey> foobarry has done well to stay out of here for a week or so. (unless he came back under a new nickname)
[12:56] <awilkins> The only reason I use Office is because management has a dependency on it
[12:57] <ThomasRedstone> Office? What's wrong with Vim? :-P
[12:57] <ThomasRedstone> ah, fair enough
[12:57] <awilkins> ThomasRedstone, Honestly, if I could, I would do all my work in Markdown
[12:57] <awilkins> Most of my stuff is communicating requirements at the moment and I find using straight flat documents for it painful
[12:57] <ThomasRedstone> the main reason people use office is "because we use office"
[12:57] <awilkins> Exactly
[12:58] <awilkins> Management not comfy with having to edit Markdown files to add their ten penny worth
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> a wyswyg editor for markdown then?
[12:59] <ThomasRedstone> VIM + GIT + http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ - management get their Word docs, you write your markdown
[12:59] <awilkins> Nice theory
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> so they get their bold/underline/italic buttons
[12:59] <awilkins> Shame about the practise
[12:59] <awilkins> Pandoc's DOCX output is excretional
[13:00] <awilkins> For whatever reason
[13:00] <awilkins> Markdown -[pandoc]-> ODT  -> DOCX a bit better but still terrible
[13:01] <ThomasRedstone> ouch :-) shame, RTF is a perfectly good format though, and works fine in Word, but I get it, management can get very funny about "those weird files you keep sending"
[13:01] <awilkins> I devoted some serious thought to writing either... a markdown parser in VBA
[13:02] <awilkins> Or a pandoc output filter that writes COM Automation script that manipulates a running copy of Word to write the document
[13:02] <awilkins> Both would probably provide much better results
[13:02] <awilkins> The MOO-XML formats are so horribly complex because they are just XML serializations of the internal binary formats of Office.
[13:03] <awilkins> Therefore the only software that is good at writing them is Office.
[13:03] <awilkins> Better to produce something simple that gets the document into Office through another route, than try writing something complex that writes DOCX
[13:04] <ThomasRedstone> ah, so it would be generated directly within Word, so the files would be perfect, I've got a friend who used to do a lot of programming in VB within Access to get around crazy policies at his old place, Office is very powerful, but 99% of people need nothing more powerful than Wordpad...
[13:04] <awilkins> Yeah, pretty much
[13:05] <awilkins> re: crazy programming policies
[13:05] <awilkins> Yes
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi> wordpad with spellcheck
[13:05] <awilkins> My last employer got a "Whitelisting" thing in
[13:05] <awilkins> Only approved executables were allowed!
[13:05] <awilkins> This included DOS batch files.
[13:06] <awilkins> And VBScript
[13:06] <awilkins> No automating things for you!
[13:06] <ThomasRedstone> ouch, that's harsh, so you couldn't even write your own macros?
[13:06] <awilkins> How DARE you try and be more productive! You must be a HACKER.
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> rename all you batch files explorer.exe in different locations :-P
[13:06] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, It did hash checking, the full 9 yards
[13:06] <ThomasRedstone> bastards
[13:07] <awilkins> Was a total PITA, they still didn't have a proper way of approving of internally developed packages
[13:07] <awilkins> when I left
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> i would just have him come over every hour to whitelist a new file till he gave up
[13:07] <awilkins> You could make a JAR file and as long as the Java had been approved you could run anything :-)
[13:07] <awilkins> You could also run Powershell scripts to your hearts content
[13:08] <awilkins> But batch files? Sorry, you changed a comment... re-approve of this file!
[13:08] <ThomasRedstone> So it was completely pointless
[13:08] <awilkins> Basically, yes
[13:08] <awilkins> Sucked the life out of the machines
[13:08] <awilkins> Took a process that took 2 minutes to 14 minutes because it was hashing all the files it was writing
[13:09] <ThomasRedstone> you know, most operating systems have these things called permissions, and user levels, and they've been found to be really useful for restricting users :-) someone should let people know about it...
[13:11] <ThomasRedstone> I hear that even Windows has them!
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> i was once asked to install a program i'd written on a 'locked down' pc on a secure network.  after a week of trying to find people and get permissions i accessed network and broke into it and did the install in about 2 hours as requests were going nowhere.
[13:15] <ThomasRedstone> lol, so not a locked down PC, not a secure network :-)
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> it was in locked room and was a /securish/ network but there's always 1-2 people who have to have access everywhere. often a lowly person who does lots of little jobs.  once i had their credentials, mapped out the ip addresses and found my 'victim' i got it done
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> it was the security industry. guards, burgalar alarms and so on.  most of those businesses are started by a disgruntled staff member walking out the door and taking 200 or so customers with them.  so they try to restrict staff access to customer lists
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> the same customers they drive to every day so it's kinda hard :-)
[13:22] <ThomasRedstone> That's real problem with these security paranoid places, so often they don't really know what they're doing, I worked at a place that had an FTP server for clients, which was also an SFTP server, and by extension, it had port 22 open. They really didn't accept that it was a serious weakness, when ever someone left they changed passwords, but a month or two after I left I checked, and my keys were still good, I removed them, and logged
[13:22] <ThomasRedstone>  out
[13:23] <knightwise> time to reinstall the pi
[13:23] <knightwise> been fumbling around with it for a couple of days , but I haven't had a lot of success so far
[13:23] <ThomasRedstone> I guess it means they can only steal their own customers, instead over all of them, but why are the customers so easy to steal? Are the guys leaving the best? Or just undercutting price?
[13:25] <zmoylan-pi> one place which locked down the printers, floppy drives, zip disks and usb drives plus a super secure network to stop staff nicking customer lists.  the manager was so proud.  so i used my then nokia 3650 to film a scrolling customer list remotely from our office
[13:25] <zmoylan-pi> camera phones were banned in their office. and emailed the list to the manager showing how 'secure' his network was
[13:27] <ThomasRedstone> you know what might be simpler? Make your staff happy
[13:27] <ThomasRedstone> I know a web developer who was accused of stealing a customer list, but the reality was he had no need to, the customers were flocking to him, looking him up on LinkedIn!
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> making staff costs money, so does security but they think it's cheaper
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> *staff happy
[13:29] <ThomasRedstone> happy staff do have other benefits, security is going to make staff less happy, and security is impossible, unless they're going to go to the point where they're going to frisk you every time you enter the office, even then, a button camera is pretty hard to spot...
[13:30] <ThomasRedstone> heck, can they really combat someone with a really good memory?! Remember ten customers a day, maybe twice a day if you go for lunch, write them down when you get to your car, a few weeks, you've got the whole list
[13:31] <zmoylan-pi> did they ban pencils so you couldn't just write them down at work? the fiends!! :-)
[13:32] <ThomasRedstone> well, I was assuming they weren't allowing paper to leave the office :-P
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> that would be a hard one to enforce
[13:35] <ThomasRedstone> It's not entirely unusual, oh yeah, they're visiting clients, so yeah, it'd be impossible :-)
[13:40] <awilkins> ThomasRedstone, the problem being fixed by the whitelisting thing was the lack of an X bit on Windows
[13:40] <awilkins> You can download and unpack and run any executable
[13:41] <awilkins> On Linux, you fix this by mounting /home  noexec
[13:42] <awilkins> On Windows, they have that stupid tacked-on-afterwards "Blocked" thing
[13:42] <awilkins> Which requires the thing you download with to write special magic
[13:45] <awilkins> The problem is basically education and senior management dictat
[13:45] <awilkins> Seniors say : THIS MUST BE DONE
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> the problem is liquid lunches and dodgy salesmen
[13:45] <awilkins> People scurry to try and do it rather than say "That isn't really very practical and you should probably just improve the education of your staff in terms of stupid computer usage"
[13:46] <awilkins> And that
[13:46] <awilkins> Someone selling the latest snake oil
[13:46] <awilkins> They were running all our calls through a signals intelligence program too. Voice reco and transcription and analysis.
[13:46] <awilkins> Verint
[13:46]  * zmoylan-pi intends to hand next boss a buzzword bingo card when comes back from those meetings and asks him to check off which words were used
[13:47] <awilkins> Only found out because the IT changelogs bitched about not having enough storage for all the VoIP logs
[13:49] <awilkins> Not which of these levels management culture is borked on  : The West / UK / UK Government / Corporate
[13:49] <awilkins> Problem to me seems to be people making dictats in ignorance of complex issues and not being willing to hear feedback that contradicts them
[13:50] <awilkins> "But I am senior to you and earn more! I cannot be improved upon! You are WRONG!"
[13:50] <awilkins> This may be why startups do most of the innovation
[13:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:51] <awilkins> Because the guys in charge are the guys actually thinking things up and have no-one to use threat of force (job loss / etc) on them when they disagree with something they thought up themselves.
[14:47] <ThomasRedstone> well, and if they don't innovate, how the hell are they going to go from nothing to a huge company? Because unless a startup becomes *big*, it's pretty much failed, it's not like a regular business, where paying the owners a living wage is enough...
[15:20] <mapp> yo
[15:30] <ThomasRedstone> yo yo mapp!
[15:36] <diddledan> I need chocolate
[15:36] <awilkins> I have chocolate
[15:37]  * zmoylan-pi passes the chocolate around
[15:37] <diddledan> random crazy apple predictions based on no sources: http://beta.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/apple-to-use-its-own-cpus-in-future-imac-and-macbooks--1280670
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> well they do own a serious chunk of arm
[15:38] <awilkins> ARM makes no CPUs
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> but they do design them
[15:38] <awilkins> Yes
[15:38] <Kento> Hi guys I have a wifi/bluetooth issues. Can anyone help me please?
[15:38] <awilkins> But people who make them license them from ARM
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> so apple could make an arm chip themselves
[15:38] <awilkins> World of difference, owning a CPU CAD and owning a CPU FAB
[15:38] <davmor2> Kento: give some more details and people might be able to help you
[15:39] <awilkins> CPU fab is your basic huge multibillion dollar risk
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> apple dropped how much on their glass plant experiment?
[15:39] <davmor2> popey: did you see the latest Magazine build your own 3g printer
[15:39] <popey> yeah
[15:39] <popey> resisting because those projects always end up super expensive
[15:44] <Kento> Hi guys . My wifi connection is working bad. It disconnects often automatically and bluetooth is not working. Can anyone help me please?(Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe)
[15:46] <Kento> lspci output is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/9756380/
[15:46] <davmor2> popey: only £640.10  :)
[15:47] <knightwise> hey guys :)
[15:50] <davmor2> Kento: a quick google gave me this http://askubuntu.com/questions/375543/problems-about-the-drivers-for-ralink-rt3290-wi-fi-adapter
[15:51] <knightwise> stupid question , but how do you write a simple interactive script
[15:52] <knightwise> for example : ping $viariable but I want to enter the variable when the script starts
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> a bash script or perl script?
[15:53] <knightwise> bash
[15:53] <knightwise> if i'm correct I can do it with the 'read' command
[15:55] <knightwise> gotit :)
[15:55] <knightwise> its simple but it works :)
[15:56] <davmor2> popey: for comparison BQ's 3d printer is about 500 euros
[15:56] <popey> yeah.
[16:10] <bigcalm> Hi intrbiz
[16:24] <Kento> Hi guys I have issue isntalling this driver ( sudo dkms install -m rt3290sta -v 2.6.0.0 --force) output : http://paste.ubuntu.com/9756560/    source: http://askubuntu.com/questions/545238/how-to-install-wifi-driver-ralink-rt3290
[16:30] <Kento> .
[16:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: hi
[18:07] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30831128
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> ouch
[18:08] <daftykins> no more glassholes \o/
[18:08] <ali1234> who here has used one?
[18:09] <Myrtti> I have
[18:09] <daftykins> hopefully we're all too sensible
[18:09] <Myrtti> even considered getting one
[18:09] <ali1234> before or after you used it?
[18:09] <Myrtti> both
[18:10] <Myrtti> I just couldn't justify the price though
[18:10] <Myrtti> so now I'm stuck waiting for Moore's law to make Android Wear the size I could use it
[18:11] <ali1234> i found glass to be very disappointing when i used it
[18:11] <diddledan> I like my android wear, but tend to only use it for the notifications mechanism
[19:34] <diddledan> this looks fun: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi820751897/
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> i'll keep an eye out for that when it hits dvd :-)
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> kinda a remake of spys like us
[20:52] <awilkins> Ok, daft question
[20:52]  * shauno readies a daft answer
[20:52] <awilkins> Is there a proxy that does something like make your kids write some code in exchange for internet time
[20:53] <awilkins> Like, they have to write code that passes a set of unit tests, and in exchange they get 20 minutes youtube
[20:53] <shauno> I really doubt it, but it shouldn't be too difficult to hack together with squid etc?
[20:53] <awilkins> Getting kinda tired of seeing my daughter pee her time away with hairdo videos
[20:54] <daftykins> how old's the nipper in question?
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> a really really complex captcha... :-)
[20:54] <awilkins> 10
[20:55] <daftykins> even a time limited proxy would be ace, with kinda enabled times for such timewasting sites
[20:55] <daftykins> assuming it's as simple as youtube say
[20:55] <popey> you could easily make a captive portal
[20:55] <popey> with a timeout
[20:55] <awilkins> Think that the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer from Diamond Age would be cool
[20:55] <awilkins> But probably outside my coding reach ;-_
[20:55] <popey> awilkins: this idea has legs
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> just block video sites?
[20:55] <popey> no no no
[20:55] <popey> you want them to visit the video sites
[20:56] <popey> because they have to do the work to get that reward
[20:56] <popey> carrot innit
[20:56] <awilkins> popey, Yeah, I thought it was a good idea when I thought of it but when to find the time...
[20:56] <popey> post on twitter, get someone else to do it
[20:56] <awilkins> Hmm
[20:56] <awilkins> I shall do that immediately
[20:56] <shauno> cherry-picking sites is difficult.  I know (from much experience as a lazy git) that the internet is full of ways to waste time, and I can just find another
[20:56] <awilkins> And think about it some more
[20:56] <popey> I'm serious. it's a great idea
[20:56] <awilkins> Why cherry pick
[20:57] <popey> yeah, have achievements
[20:57] <popey> unlock youtube by doing X
[20:57] <awilkins> Just block everything until they complete educational tasks
[20:57] <daftykins> shauno: very true
[20:57] <popey> unlock minecraft with Y
[20:57] <shauno> I mean re: just blocking video sites.
[20:57] <shauno> just make sure it's pluggable so that different challenges can be added :)
[20:57] <popey> yeah
[20:57] <shauno> tonight some coding, tomorrow night spelling practice ..
[20:57] <popey> maths problems
[20:57] <popey> tesco shopping
[20:57] <popey> :)
[20:57] <awilkins> juggle the challenge -> site mappings around
[20:58] <awilkins> See what they favour and make that the reward for the least proficient task
[20:58] <awilkins> Khan Proxy
[20:58] <daftykins> a mate was meant to be doing his PhD so i told him to point reddit and imgur to localhost via his hosts file ;)
[20:58] <shauno> or just shave her head so she finds hairdo vids less interesting ;)
[20:58] <awilkins> Both she and her mother would have a fit
[20:58] <awilkins> Long hair people
[20:59] <daftykins> is it a term for a genre or just this daft recent fashion?
[20:59] <shauno> heh.  I know the type.  I used to be one
[20:59] <daftykins> granted i say recent as it takes a while for London fashion to reach the shores of the Channel rocks ;)
[21:00] <shauno> it is a very interesting idea though.  my only concern would be that, well, for myself I think coding is 90% google
[21:01] <awilkins> Heh, I remember a time when it was 90% a local MSDN install
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> the best compromise would be a system that just blocks the web except for a limited time and you be able to add 'credit' to her device for work done?
[21:03] <shauno> my other worry would be that it'd turn into an arms race to see who's the bigger smartass.  unit tests can be passed so easily
[21:03] <shauno> eg, sort this list.  print(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10).  insta-hairdo-vids
[21:03] <awilkins> Doesn't have to be just unit tests... I'd settle for earning Khan Academy points
[21:03] <awilkins> Ah, you don't tell them what the inputs are
[21:04] <awilkins> "sort the arbitrary list passed in as parameter a"
[21:05] <awilkins> Topcoder.com kinda thing
[21:05] <awilkins> They used to run the tests with all kinds of edge cases to throw your code off
[21:20] <awilkins> Green party now has more members than LibDems
[21:20] <popey> lulz
[21:20] <awilkins> And UKIP
[21:20] <popey> also, Rage Against The Machine were xmas number one
[21:21] <popey> never underestimate the power of the british public
[21:21] <awilkins> SOmeone did point out that CAMRA has 4x as many members
[21:21] <popey> haha
[21:21] <awilkins> I said "I'd vote for them over the current lot, if only because they are more likely to be able to organise a piss-up in a brewery"
[21:21] <daftykins> well that's something even i can get behind (CAMRA)
[21:22] <awilkins> Their website seems a little bogged down
[21:23] <awilkins> THink they are getting something of an enthusiastic membership drive ATM
[21:23] <daftykins> CAMRA? web admin must be enjoyably tipsy from ale
[21:23] <awilkins> No, greens
[21:23] <daftykins> ah
[21:23] <daftykins> i still need to kick a local politican about why it's allowed for local TLD domains (.gg) to cost £90 to reg and £45 renewal
[21:24] <daftykins> i would put forth that it prevents local business actually reflecting that it is local
[21:24] <awilkins> 18-24 vote now goes    32% Lab ; 22%   Green / Conservative
[21:25] <awilkins> (only thing that surprises me there is the Conservatives tied for second...)
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> ukip are slipping? and conservatives are rising again?
[21:27] <awilkins> Dunno
[21:38] <diddledan> daftykins, just means folk will buy a .com
[21:39] <daftykins> yeah most like even my doctors surgery just had a .co.uk
[21:39] <diddledan> eew
[21:39] <diddledan> that's even worse
[21:39] <daftykins> which... isn't even accurate of course
[21:39] <diddledan> mind you, I have a .it
[21:39] <daftykins> wow it loads slow - http://www.islandhealth.co.uk/
[21:40] <diddledan> and no, it's not "smeg.it"
[21:40] <daftykins> although that'd be great
[22:04] <shauno> lol, this is pretty good; https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671
[22:06] <daftykins> i don't know what's worse, someone running that command or it doing that
[22:18] <ThomasRedstone> ali1234, diddledan, I got a Moto 360 a few days ago, seems really good, still working out what use it is though ;-) worked well when I went for a run, and like you say, useful for notifications, timers are useful, but beyond that, mostly novel
[22:29] <daftykins> any thoughts on where to look to diagnose a session failing and returning a user to lightdm?
[22:31] <ThomasRedstone> I had that the other day, Cinnamon seems to have fixed it, daftykins :-P
[22:31] <daftykins> err
[22:31] <daftykins> you mean it happened with a unity session so you installed an alternative DE?
[22:32] <ThomasRedstone> yeah, pretty much, I didn't like Unity all that much anyway, so is this a multi-user system, and only one user is having the problem?
[22:34]  * m0nkey_ loves his Moto360 :)
[22:35] <ThomasRedstone> who doesn't love a beautiful watch m0nkey_?!
[22:35] <ThomasRedstone> this one is pretty damn beautiful!: http://shop.crackerbarrel.com/Sock-Monkey-Watch/dp/B00A7D11YY
[22:37] <daftykins> ThomasRedstone: kodibuntu install where the media centre software Kodi (formerly known as XBMC) doesn't launch when the Kodi session is chosen
[22:38] <ThomasRedstone> so it isn't anything to do with Unity
[22:38] <daftykins> nope
[22:38] <daftykins> just a lightdm/session quirk
[22:38] <ThomasRedstone> can you login at the command line okay?
[22:44] <ThomasRedstone> I need to go, but confirm you can login from a command prompt (Ctrl+Alt+f1 will get you one), if that works, you've narrowed down the potential issues, if it doesn't, you know it's not Lightdm
[22:44] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9758543/
[22:44] <daftykins> i get no detail from that 0o
[22:53] <m0nkey_> Weeeeeeeh!
[22:55] <diddledan> did the network just die?
[22:57] <daftykins> it's rather sick