[02:41] <rick_h_> cmaloney: http://amzn.com/B006O2F4KO
[13:03] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:05] <wolfger> It's Friday?
[13:05] <wolfger> No. It's not. Ergo, not a very good morning. :-P
[13:11] <cmaloney> har har
[13:13] <wolfger> Sorry. I'm grumpy. Yesterday should have been Friday in my opinion. I hate unproductive days.
[13:14] <brousch> cmaloney: Did you mugged last night at the coffee shop?
[13:14] <brousch> get mugged?
[13:14] <jrwren> today should be tues or wed. this week going way to fast.
[13:16] <cmaloney> brousch: Nope, your bro-in-law was making sure of it.
[13:16] <wolfger> jrwren: you can have the rest of my week, and I'll start the weekend now.
[13:16] <brousch> Excellent
[13:17] <wolfger> if I'm going to do nothing useful, I'd prefer to do it at home, in front of a book or a video game
[13:23] <wolfger> Still getting Launchpad e-mails from bugs I triaged back in 2008. So sad. "Expired for linux (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60
[13:23] <wolfger> days."
[13:24] <jrwren> wolfger: :(
[13:24] <jrwren> wolfger: what were the bugs? do they still exist?
[13:25] <brousch> wolfger: Heh, I got one of those a month ago
[13:25] <wolfger> This one that I just got was specific to a particular model of Sony Vaio.
[13:27] <wolfger> Xubuntu 8.10 intrepid ibex was freezing the laptop shortly after boot
[13:28] <wolfger> So yeah... real edge-case stuff
[13:30] <wolfger> But others are not. Here is probably the saddest bug I still get notices on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/38131
[13:31] <wolfger> 2006 to 2015 with no solution
[13:33] <brousch> Ah, mine was from 2012. Not as bad as yours. And it was resolved
[13:35] <wolfger> Resolved, resolved? Not closed as invalid or will-not-fix?
[13:35] <rick_h_> morning
[13:36] <wolfger> morning
[13:37] <jrwren> that is really a firefox bug eh? and it still haunts you?
[13:38] <wolfger> Er... uh... the e-mails still haunt me.
[13:38] <wolfger> I switched to Chromium
[13:38] <jrwren> ha!
[13:39] <wolfger> kept trying to switch to Konqueror, but.... #$%$^@%$^$
[13:40] <wolfger> I love KDE apps in general, but they just never could make Konqueror usable on the modern web
[13:41] <jrwren> wolfger: and yet webkit was taken from konq and used to build safari and eventually chrome.  weird how that works eh?
[13:41] <wolfger> yep
[13:42] <brousch> Obviously a web browser needs giant corporate backing to be useful
[13:42] <wolfger> It's amazing what money will do to improve a product
[13:43] <jrwren> or a giant non profit?  <3 FF
[13:44] <wolfger> FF is amazing considering it's non-profit, but I've still switched to Chrome/Chromium on all my computers. Except my phone. I dropped Chrome on the phone. FF is much better there.
[13:45] <wolfger> phone Chrome is too bloated
[13:46] <brousch> Works for me!
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:47] <wolfger> I was getting updates just to install language support for languages I will never in my life need to use. And I was having to uninstall apps from my phone to make room for the updates.
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> i too run chrome/chromium everywhere
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> i was having bad memory leak issues with FF
[13:54] <wolfger> Yeah, mem leaks is why I switched on Windows
[13:56] <jrwren> Windows leaking and crashing was why I switched to linux. That was the 90s.
[14:16] <wolfger> Sure, sure. Isn't that why we all switched in the 90's?
[14:17] <wolfger> Then Win7 came out and surprisingly didn't suck, and I got re-addicted to video games (that don't suck, as opposed to the games available for Linux). :-p
[14:17] <cmaloney> There's a bunch of games available for Linux now.
[14:18] <wolfger> Now Linux is getting more support for games that don't suck, and as soon as I have a graphics card that doesn't suck under Linux I'll be using Linux a lot more often
[14:19] <wolfger> My big issue right now is that my graphics card isn't great under windows and it's plain horrible under Linux
[14:19] <cmaloney> wolfger: AMD?
[14:19] <wolfger> Intel
[14:19] <wolfger> laptop
[14:19] <wolfger> My next box will be a desktop
[14:20] <cmaloney> Get a NVidia card.
[14:20] <wolfger> planning on it
[14:20] <wolfger> I hear that Nvidia under Linux is actually better than Nvidia under Windows in certain aspects
[14:21] <cmaloney> WEll, it's better than AMD in many respects
[14:21] <wolfger> that kind of shocked me
[14:21] <cmaloney> mostly in the "works"
[14:25] <brousch> Intel or DIAF
[14:28] <jrwren> what intel chip?
[14:28] <jrwren> i thought the HD5000 was good?
[14:28] <wolfger> Intel can DIAF
[14:28] <jrwren> why?
[14:29] <wolfger> because my chip sucks
[14:29] <jrwren> so? its an old one?
[14:30] <wolfger> so far as I'm concerned, all GPU manufacturers can DIAF though. They intentionally make it difficult to know how good a card is
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: you have trouble with intel on linux?
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> that's surprising
[14:30] <wolfger> My Intel is older, yeah. HD3*00
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> the linux drivers for intel are pretty good though
[14:30] <wolfger> hmm
[14:31] <jrwren> i'd expect that HD3*00 to be fine for anything that isn't gaming.
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> same here
[14:31] <jrwren> but yeah, its going to be slow for games.
[14:31] <wolfger> Maybe I'm confused. Maybe my Kubuntu lappy isn't Intel. I still hate my weak Intel chip
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> and the newer 5000+ even run games pretty well
[14:31] <wolfger> Yes, I'm talking about for games
[14:32] <wolfger> It's weak under Win7 and unusable under Kubuntu
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> i've found my intel chip to run as well or better in linux than windows
[14:32] <wolfger> I wish I had that experience
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> I have a celeron 2955U
[14:33] <mrgoodcat> and use the on-chip graphics
[14:34] <jrwren> someone did a comparison of 3d in linux v. windows recently and linux was faster than windows for same tests.
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> i dont have benchmark results but it certainly seems smoother to me in linux
[14:36] <jrwren> this is NOT the article of which I was thinking: http://www.fermicg.net/2013/09/windows-vs-linux-in-3d-rendering.html
[14:39] <jrwren> ha, maybe it was OSX v. Ubuntu of which I was thinking: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=osx10_ubuntu1410
[15:47] <wolfger> http://www.woot.com/offers/das-keyboard-4-professional-ultimate
[15:48] <wolfger> $120 refurb keyboard?
[15:59] <cmaloney> wolfger: DAS keyboards are fetishized by certain mechanical keyboard folks
[15:59] <cmaloney> and they're considered one of the better ones.
[15:59] <cmaloney> They're not cheap.
[15:59] <rick_h_> bah humbug
[16:00] <rick_h_> get a filco new for less than that
[16:00] <wolfger> LOL
[16:00] <rick_h_> das made waves because they did the blank keys thing which was 'cool' and they've been riding on that ever since
[16:01] <cmaloney> I've been eyeballing the http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=keyed_up_labs,tenkeyless&pid=es87u_cc_bbb_al
[16:01] <wolfger> They do look very nice, but I'm not thinking "6 times the cost of a cheap keyboard" nice
[16:01] <wolfger> cmaloney: tenkeyless? Why???
[16:01] <cmaloney> Ask rick_h_
[16:02] <rick_h_> wolfger: mouse closer to the keyboard, less stress, more ergo
[16:06] <wolfger> Hmm. Did a search on Filco, wound up at Diatec. Not sure how. They are same price, though.
[16:07] <wolfger> Hmm. Same company two names it seems
[16:16] <cmaloney> More than likely
[16:16] <cmaloney> I'm sure there's only a handful of keyboard manufacturers
[18:32] <jrwren> kalx registration is open: http://kalamazoox.org
[18:36] <wolfger> who the what now?
[18:37] <wolfger> what are my "core competencies"? That sounds like managerspeak
[18:37] <jrwren> it is a "soft skills" conference.
[18:38] <wolfger> I read that too. Just not understanding what that means.
[18:38] <cmaloney> It's a conference to teach you how not to be a dick. ;)
[18:39] <jrwren> anything non-technical you do in your job.
[18:39] <jrwren> so really, all the stuff that actually matters.
[18:39] <wolfger> cmaloney: oh, screw that!
[18:39] <jrwren> yeah, don't be a dick is part of it, for sure.
[18:40] <cmaloney> http://vimeo.com/kalamazoox
[18:41] <cmaloney> It's got Elizabeth Naramore though so it has to be good.
[18:41] <jrwren> exactly!
[18:41]  * cmaloney is downloading the videos
[18:41] <cmaloney> I really need to give $$ to youtube-dl
[18:41] <cmaloney> seriously, they're the bestest thing that happened to videos.
[18:42] <cmaloney> Of course they also mean I have a backlog of videos to watch. ;)
[18:43] <brousch> Why are you downloading them?
[18:43] <wolfger> "@kalamazoox is a hidden gem. Today was like a braver, more profane set of dev-oriented TED talks"
[18:43] <wolfger> ok, that doesn't sound horrible
[18:43] <cmaloney> brousch: So I remember to watch them
[18:43] <cmaloney> and if I like it I have the video to watch later
[18:43] <cmaloney> and if it's junk I delete it
[18:43] <cmaloney> simple.
[18:44] <wolfger> cmaloney: regarding the aforementioned backlog of videos.... I don't think you process of remembering is working right
[18:44] <cmaloney> wolfger: Hush
[18:44] <wolfger> :-D
[18:44] <jrwren> on softskills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMsQUXHY6tA
[18:47] <wolfger> I'll have to check out the vids after I escape the great firewall (and also am someplace quiet enough to hear anything)
[18:47] <brousch> cmaloney: Just make a bookmark in a folder: Video Queue
[18:48] <brousch> Save disk space, download bandwidth, and the queue goes with you in Chrome
[18:52] <cmaloney> Then I have to remember to clean out the queue
[18:54] <brousch> You have to remember to delete your downloaded files!
[18:55] <jrwren> you do?
[18:55] <jrwren> i just buy more and more storage.
[18:57] <wolfger> cheap hard drives ftw
[18:58] <brousch> hard drives? ew
[18:58] <wolfger> but then organizing and finding anything becomes a pain
[18:58] <jrwren> really?
[18:58] <jrwren> oh, yeah, I guess if it is a folder full of hash named flv files, yeah, that ain't easy.
[18:58] <wolfger> ok, ok... finding anything becomes a pain, because I am disorganized. :-P
[18:59] <wolfger> geez... they hold people accountable in here?
[19:06] <cmaloney> Actually youtube-dl will rename the files
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> i'm with brousch. delete download files
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> i have a cron set up daily to delete files older than x days in my Downloads folder
[19:27] <cmaloney> I think you're with me. :)
[19:28] <cmaloney> brousch just lives in the cloud. :)
[19:28] <brousch> I don't I live in less than 512GB
[19:28] <cmaloney> Unfortunately the Youtube downloader changes the date on the files when it finishes
[19:29] <brousch> The cloud is my backup
[19:29] <cmaloney> The cloud is my backup, I shall not DL.
[19:29] <wolfger> heh
[19:29] <cmaloney> It leadeth me down by the youtube videos
[19:30] <cmaloney> And lo though I walk through the valley of the shadow of DMCA I fear no evil
[19:30] <cmaloney> Thy content and Google's staff shall protect me
[19:32] <jrwren> rofl
[19:33] <cmaloney> [This content was removed due to a copyright claim by Universal Music and God Almighty]
[20:18] <rick_h_> gah! Thank you for choosing Lenovo. Your customer experience is priority to us. Due to the popularity of this product, we are seeing a delay in shipments and are working to meet this increased demand.
[20:18] <rick_h_> will one damn thing work out right today?
[20:19] <rick_h_> $1k to get heat back in the car, and there's no sound in it currently
[20:19]  * rick_h_ is about to melt the snow outside with pure rage 
[20:22] <jrwren> rick_h_: will you be cooled off by tomorrow evening?
[20:22] <jrwren> rick_h_: either way, we can share car stories. I have a fun one.
[20:23] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Ugh
[20:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: we on the same flight?
[20:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: cool, looks like it
[20:32] <rick_h_> jrwren: make sure to get a heathrow express ticket both ways
[20:32] <rick_h_> jrwren: you can get it and just have the email for the ticket
[20:33] <jrwren> rick_h_: cool. I'll do that. I guess I should get it now eh?
[20:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, doing it myself
[20:33] <rick_h_> figured if I was telling you to I should as well :)
[20:35] <jrwren> oh cool, they are round trip tickets
[20:35] <rick_h_> yep
[20:35] <rick_h_> you have to get it that way, but yea
[20:36] <jrwren> they ain't cheap.
[20:37] <rick_h_> half the cost of a cab one way
[20:37]  * rick_h_ says from personal experience
[20:37] <rick_h_> and that's round trip
[20:37] <jrwren> i was about to say... WAY more than a bus, WAY less than a cab :)
[20:37] <greg-g> the black cabs are expensive
[20:38] <rick_h_> from where we're at to the airport is 70 one way non-black bcab
[20:38] <rick_h_> cab
[20:42] <_stink_> 70 shillings
[20:43] <greg-g> pennyfarkles or something
[20:46] <jrwren> Knuts and Gallions