[00:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: do we want apt-offline 1.6?
[00:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: saw and packaged your latest greybird addition for daily, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian/revision/6
[00:39] <knome> qa processes are up @ wiki
[00:42] <bluesabre> nice knome
[00:45] <knome> yep, getting things done lately
[00:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: got a potentially new one for you, http://imgur.com/CfaquBf
[01:49] <knome> pleia2, updated the assets branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/static-assets), ping me when you've pushed to production
[01:58] <Unit193> Could use git! :D
[01:58] <knome> everything else is under that project, makes no sense to diverge.
[01:58] <knome> (i know you're kidding)
[02:00] <Unit193> I was going to trollingly say that, but that was in the middle of the meeting.
[02:08] <knome> well done ;)
[08:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, noticed the bluetooth icon messup. after a theme-switch back and forth it fixed itself though and i don't think there are actually icons missing/wrong
[08:50]  * ochosi reads up on backlog
[09:26] <brainwash> ochosi: b3nmore has added additional test results and feedback. do you follow the "power manager ignores lid close settings" report?
[09:27] <ochosi> brainwash: i do, but as i said, i have too many other things on my agenda atm
[09:30] <brainwash> ochosi: I understand. I just want to make sure that you or bluesabre take a look at the recent test results and maybe add some comment (if you notice something odd).
[09:31] <brainwash> it feels like we are getting somewhere
[09:36] <brainwash> now that makes me wonder, how do other (logind based) distros manage to avoid this problem..
[09:41] <ochosi> less options usually
[09:41] <ochosi> and less modularity
[10:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, meh, i might have to fix something there with the bluetooth icon
[10:05] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi, morning
[10:06] <ochosi> hi slickymasterWork 
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> ochosi I noticed that isn't updated for a while. Is there someone in charge of that or can any of us in the team do it?
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive ^^ 
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> :P
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> last addition to it was from 2014-12-11 meeting
[10:07] <ochosi> i presume that it has to be manually updated if it isn't up-to-date
[10:07] <ochosi> but i'm not sure
[10:08] <ochosi> maybe it just needs some switch flipped for 2015
[10:08] <ochosi> knome: ^
[10:08] <ochosi> gah, the wiki is so slooooow
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> ok, let's wait to see knome input on it
[10:09] <ochosi> if the wiki ever saves the page, i've added 2015 into the mix
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> wiki -> business as usual ochosi :P
[10:09] <ochosi> knome: nvm that
[10:10] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: ok done
[10:10] <slickymasterWork> yeah, noticed :)
[10:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: i recently added a second notification theme to greybird, would be great if we could package that so it gets installed in the right place (i.e. /usr/share/themes/Greybird-bright/): https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/master/xfce-notify-4.0_bright
[10:54] <knome> ;)
[11:02] <ochosi> lunchtime, bbiab
[11:29] <bluesabre> ochosi: way ahead of you....
[11:29] <bluesabre> [19:39:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: saw and packaged your latest greybird addition for daily, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-debian/revision/6
[11:42] <ochosi> wooot
[11:42] <ochosi> nice work bluesabre :)
[11:42] <ochosi> note to self: actually check the links bluesabre posts
[11:42] <bluesabre> :D
[11:43] <bluesabre> note to self: stop dropping ochosi links for huge money transfers
[11:43] <ochosi> hehe
[11:45] <ochosi> still have to find the proper fix for the bluetooth mess
[11:45] <ochosi> why oh why does blueman have to use the same icon name for tray and settings-app...
[11:47] <ochosi> would be nice to port xfce4-notifyd to gtk3 btw, that would make many things (e.g. monochrome icons) a lot easier to use
[12:04] <brainwash> ochosi: the MATE team has some problems with xdg-utils too https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754219
[12:04] <brainwash> you have said that someone will package a newer release or git snapshot, right?
[12:05] <ochosi> for debian you mean?
[12:05] <brainwash> ubuntu mainly
[12:06] <ochosi> my original plan was to get a patched version with light-locker support into ubuntu and submit a patch upstream
[12:06] <brainwash> currently no one cares about this package in ubuntu or debian
[12:06] <ochosi> yeah
[12:15] <ochosi> hmpf, really don't know what to do about that blueman icon...
[12:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmmm, i wonder whether we can use this somehow: https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/commit/9733f33a4d590d1c676b80dec37487fed077b060
[12:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: is anybody maintaining notifyd?  I was wanting to put some fixes in for that anyway :)
[12:38] <ochosi> i don't think there's an active maintainer atm
[12:39] <ochosi> jeromeg has been away for quite a few years already
[12:39] <ochosi> but you can ask gaston, i think they were in touch because of screenshooter
[12:39] <bluesabre> ok
[12:39] <ochosi> will you be around this weekend?
[12:40] <ochosi> (i'd like to take a look at the state of the greeter with you, if you have time)
[12:40] <ochosi> ali1234 reported that master doesn't build and we seem to be having a problem with the root pixmap again
[12:40] <ochosi> also, all those branches...
[12:41] <bluesabre> ideally, yes I'll be around
[12:42] <knome> discussion on #xubuntu reminds me we probably should look at updating our "keeping safe" section of the docs
[12:44] <slickymasterWork> you mean the discussion about virus and dualboot knome?
[12:44] <brainwash> ochosi: the root pixmap issue seems to be resolved in the daily ppa (I could not reproduce it anymore). the current package in vivid just seems to be really outdated
[12:44] <knome> slickymasterWork, yes
[12:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, well we can keep in touch and see whether we can maybe reserve a specific time that fits both our schedules
[12:45] <knome> since sidi is a "security expert" and whined about that, maybe he can give constructive feedback on that
[12:45] <ochosi> +1
[12:45] <slickymasterWork> you're thinking on adding something about file sharing within the two SOs?
[12:46] <sidi> was my name mentioned?
[12:46] <slickymasterWork> just vaguely sidi 
[12:46] <ochosi> sidi: work work work
[12:46] <sidi> ochosi, brilliant idea.
[12:47] <knome> slickymasterWork, i meant updating the documentation :)
[12:47] <knome> sidi, ^
[12:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds good
[12:48] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, your patch for xdg-screensaver seems to work, i guess we should try to get that pushed to ubuntu
[12:49] <bluesabre> ochosi, brainwash: link?
[12:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1363540
[12:50] <bluesabre> we can toss that into -staging while waiting
[12:50] <ochosi> yeah
[12:50] <ochosi> i think that's a pretty good idea
[12:50] <knome> isn't that what -staging is about :)
[12:51] <ochosi> so yeah, just tested again, without the patch :(. with the patch :)
[12:51] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i just hadnt really had time to test the patch, is all
[12:51] <knome> ...isn't that what -staging is about :)
[12:51] <ochosi> and i originally wanted to pursue a different solution
[12:51] <ochosi> which i still might do, but the patch is valuable either way
[12:52] <brainwash> it's just a shell script and I've attached the patched version to the report already, so it can be easily tested
[12:53] <bluesabre> yup, I'll diff that and check it out :)
[12:53] <ochosi> i think the patch is in the upstream report
[12:53] <ochosi> so no need to diff
[12:53] <brainwash> it's git version + patch
[12:53] <ochosi> right
[12:54] <ochosi> well apart from the silly code duplication in ubuntu not much has changed upstream i think
[12:54] <brainwash> if someone packages the new git version, he could drop many of the debian patches
[12:55] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna push newer xdg-utils to debian? (or at least get in touch with someone about that)
[12:55] <ochosi> debian-liaison ftw :)
[12:56] <bluesabre> :D
[12:56] <brainwash> the MATE team would benefit also
[12:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: i've submitted a bugreport about the blueman icon upstream, i only have a dirty dirty workaround and it doesn't give us the monochrome icon i think
[12:59] <bluesabre> time to patch blueman into oblivion
[13:01] <ochosi> anyway, i'll meanwhile push my patch
[13:01] <ochosi> on second thought it's working better than i feared
[13:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: lemme know whether that problem doesn't go away after the most recent patch for e-xfce
[13:10] <bluesabre> k
[13:10] <bluesabre> heading out, bbl
[13:25] <knome> why did we want to drop l-l-s from the seed again?
[13:26] <ochosi> because those settings now live in xfpm-settings
[13:26] <knome> fair enough
[13:26] <ochosi> there's a "security" tab now
[13:26] <knome> yep
[13:27] <knome> i was just wondering as i saw that since i obviously didn't register that well enough before
[13:31] <knome> i'm off, let's see if i'm back for the CC checkup
[13:31] <knome> tara
[13:34] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: btw, that change ^ (l-l-s being replaced by a tab in xfpm-settings) should probably reflected in the 15.04 docs...
[14:02] <ochosi> bbl
[14:48] <brainwash> bluesabre: is it worth to apply the workaround for https://github.com/chjj/compton/issues/189 to the xubuntu compton config?
[14:51] <brainwash> bluesabre: shadow-exclude = [ "_GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS@:c" ];
[15:23] <slickymasterWork> in our current documentation there are no references anywhere  to the light locker settings ochosi 
[15:24] <slickymasterWork> there's just one small sub-section about screen locking -> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/guide-keeping-safe.html#lock-your-screen
[15:25] <slickymasterWork> an it falls within the Keeping your computer safe chapter
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> knome, re what you said earlier about updating the "Keeping your computer safe" do you want to wait from some pointers from sidi or are you willing to try sketch something this weekend?
[16:15] <sidi> knome, ping me this weekend wrt that
[16:18] <slickymasterWork> thanks sidi :)
[16:19] <slickymasterWork> I'll be around this weekend so between the three of us, we get it done
[16:21] <sidi> slickymaster, sure. note I have no clue on earth what I signed up for
[16:21] <sidi> but I love to rant about security advice so
[16:21] <sidi> wont miss an opportunity
[16:23] <slickymasterWork> we'll be here to here your rants gladly sidi 
[16:23] <slickymasterWork> s/here/hear
[16:24] <sidi> you'll be hear to here? :P
[16:24] <elfy> I'll be here to giggle 
[16:24] <sidi> elfy, good
[16:25] <sidi> elfy, giggle for entropy
[17:01] <pleia2> anyone about for the CC catch up over in #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:03] <pleia2> ochosi, bluesabre, knome?
[17:39] <knome> pleia2, sorry, didn't quite make it
[17:40] <knome> unless you're still running :)
[17:40] <elfy> finished knome 
[17:40] <knome> ok, good
[17:40] <pleia2> hah
[17:41] <elfy> these 2 random peeps turned up and said stuff
[17:42] <knome> :D
[17:42] <knome> very random
[17:42] <elfy> one was randomer 
[17:43] <knome> heh
[17:43] <knome> so what's the outcome?
[17:43] <elfy> randomness wins everytime :)
[17:43] <knome> the xubuntu team will be deceased and developers decapitated for bad work?
[17:44] <pleia2> everything is awesome except it's hard to get testers probably because testing is hard
[17:44] <pleia2> dholbach also invited a Xubuntu person to the weekly community Q&A - any volunteers? :)
[17:44] <pleia2> I know we're a camera-shy bunch
[17:45] <pleia2> I don't want to do it
[17:45] <knome> i voluntell elfy
[17:46] <elfy> you voluntell away - I'll be driving 
[17:46] <knome> :D
[17:46] <knome> what's the time of the meeting?
[17:46] <knome> maybe we could organize a few q&a's per cycle
[17:47] <knome> with varying people showing up from xubuntu
[17:47] <PaulW2U> pleia2: testing is not hard. the reporting of the results of the testing puts testers off further testing
[17:47] <knome> PaulW2U, and that leads us to another topic; if there is anything that would make it easier (considerin you'd still have to use the same tools), what would that be?
[17:47] <pleia2> PaulW2U: a lot of folks struggle with even creating USB sticks :(
[17:48] <elfy> knome: usually 1600
[17:48] <pleia2> PaulW2U: but yeah, my "testing is hard" comment encompassed everything from making the stick, using the tracker, submitting bugs; the whole process has a lot of pain points where people quit
[17:48] <knome> pleia2, no wonder since unetbootin and usb-creator-gtk work/don't work alternately each cycle :P
[17:48] <pleia2> knome: indeed
[17:48] <knome> elfy, any day?
[17:49] <knome> pleia2, *i* have problems creating usb sticks
[17:49] <pleia2> me too
[17:49] <elfy> seem to be tuesdays knome 
[17:49] <knome> i can obviously overcome them, but yeah, that's not easy :(
[17:49] <knome> or good:(
[17:49] <knome> elfy, oki
[17:49] <pleia2> I asked lubuntu to see what they do, but they struggle as well (using a dd tool, but dd is hard on usb sticks, especially cheap ones)
[17:49] <elfy> I don't have problems creating them - but have to know how to force the boot with them 
[17:49] <PaulW2U> pleia2: Submitting bugs against the right package is where testers such as I often struggle
[17:50] <pleia2> PaulW2U: yeah, me too
[17:50] <elfy> PaulW2U: same 
[17:50] <pleia2> PaulW2U: I'm hosting a global jam in san francisco in a few weeks, having contributors join here so we can get help mostly with that specific issue
[17:51] <elfy> at the end of the day - as long as bug is reported and linked on the tracker - people can always tidy up afterwards
[17:51] <pleia2> last time I did this (september 2013) some devs even fixed issues on the spot, so we didn't even need bugs :D
[17:51] <pleia2> or at least, the bugs were on the radar immediately, even if not in the right spot exactly
[17:51] <elfy> but knowing package to report against is always going to be an issue for the bulk of people 
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, elfy: technically, is the weekly q&a a g+ hangout?
[17:52] <elfy> personally I would rather bug got reported - even against the wrong thing - at least it's then visible 
[17:52] <elfy> knome: I believe so 
[17:53] <knome> ok, added an agenda item
[17:53] <elfy> ok
[17:53] <pleia2> knome: yeah
[17:53] <elfy> ok - wandering for a bit now 
[17:53]  * pleia2 wanders to work
[17:54] <knome> i don't have any problems people testing xubuntu reporting bugs against xubuntu-desktop if that helps
[17:54] <knome> it's often trivial enough for people involved to figure out the right package
[17:54] <elfy> knome: yea - that I meant to say 
[17:54] <knome> if it isn't, then it's usually a nastyish bug, and needs developer triaging anyway
[17:54] <knome> yep
[19:15] <Unit193> ochosi: You know Debian is still in freeze, so likelyhood of getting anything in that's not a security update is low and hard?
[19:21] <Unit193> Err, right.  Thanks for updating the blueprint.
[19:49] <elfy> brainwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1410760/comments/2
[19:50] <elfy> I can - exactly the same in clementine 
[19:50] <elfy> that is I can confirm it :)
[19:53] <elfy> ctrl+f8 is set for workspace 8 - don't appear to be able to change that key combination
[19:55] <Unit193> You normally can change that in xfwm4-settings
[19:57] <elfy> aah yes
[19:57] <elfy> not sure why it won't let you force the issue without removing the old ctr+fn 
[20:01] <Unit193> Some shortcut conflicted with LibreOffice too, had to remove it.
[20:23] <brainwash> elfy: it's strange. I did not expect this to happen in 14.10 and up
[20:31] <brainwash> ali1234: do you actually see the corrupted root background or assume that it has to be broken (code-wise)?
[20:32] <ali1234> i never see corruption because i am using virtualbox
[20:32] <ali1234> i see a grey background because that's the default
[20:33] <brainwash> the daily ppa package fixes it for me. no clue which branch or tweaks it really includes
[20:33] <ali1234> what daily ppa?
[20:33] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[20:34] <brainwash> package was built 5 weeks ago
[20:34] <brainwash> "daily"
[20:36] <brainwash> I've only noticed that the greeter draws a grey background before loading the actual background picture
[20:37] <brainwash> this was fixed months ago I think and is now back after the rewrite
[20:37] <ali1234> nope, that ppa also does not work
[20:38] <brainwash> for you :)
[20:38] <ali1234> it's not even close to working
[20:40] <brainwash> but I see no visual breakage, so it somehow "works" :(
[20:40] <brainwash> and vbox is a different case
[20:50] <ali1234> hmm
[20:51] <ali1234> okay, master actually does work
[20:53] <ali1234> daily ppa doesn't though
[20:56] <brainwash> success!
[22:02] <Unit193> ...Wow, I see the failure.
[22:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfpm and stuff fail to build, xdt-autogen tries to copy stuff into m4/ before creating the directory...
[22:44] <brainwash> ohh.. now I need to have xfpm running to change locker settings
[22:53] <brainwash> net/split