[07:18] <soee> good morning
[08:49] <Riddelll> hola chicos
[08:50] <soee> hiho Riddelll
[08:50] <soee> Riddelll: can you confirm that activities manager does not work in 5.2 beta ?
[08:50] <Riddelll> I don't even have plasmashell running on my computer :(
[08:51] <soee> oh :o
[08:52]  * soee wonres why
[08:52] <Riddelll> it was moaning something about kscreen and xranr for 1.1 but I had 1.4
[08:52] <Riddelll> anyway let me dist-upgrade and see what happenes
[08:57] <lordieva1er> Good morning.
[08:58] <soee> hiho
[08:59] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[09:00] <soee> lordievader: im fine :) nice week we have here in Poland, sunny, ~ +4/5 during the day, how are you 
[09:02] <lordievader> Doing good. Just loaded my new fridge with some beverages :)
[09:02] <soee> :-)
[09:02] <soee> lordievader: are on vivid maybe ?
[09:03] <lordievader> Not at the moment, I can reboot this machine though.
[09:05] <soee> nah, ill wait for a Riddelll to test it :)
[09:05] <soee> i see he got promoted, he has 3 l now :)
[09:20] <sitter> blargh
[09:20] <sitter> Riddelll: ping
[09:23] <Riddelll> hi sitter 
[09:24] <sitter> Riddelll: do you happen to be able to do a qt backport with a higher revision say ~ppa10?
[09:25] <Riddelll> meh, why?
[09:26] <sitter> Riddelll: because unstable ci had ppa1, so people wouldn't get upgraded to your backport
[09:26] <sitter> not profoundly blocking for now I guess, but would be good to have fixed
[09:28] <Riddelll> meh
[09:28] <Riddelll> is it just a problem with the version number, can I fudge it and bump the version number?
[09:32] <sitter> Riddelll: sure, sure, I expressed myself badly there
[09:32] <sitter> version bump to ~ppa10 is totally sufficient ^^
[09:34]  * Riddell puts on todo
[09:38] <Riddell> hooray, dist upgrade make plasmashell work
[09:38] <soee> Riddell: can you check the activities manager ? Click RMB on desktop and pick Activities
[09:39] <Riddell> soee: works for me
[09:39] <soee> oO
[09:39] <Riddell> I can see current activity and create a new one and switch to it
[09:39]  * soee wonders what went wrong yesterady
[09:39]  * sitter continues to wonder how one checks if all package copies succeeded
[09:40] <soee> Riddell: i tested it yesterday ~ 22:00, are there any new packages since than ?
[09:40] <Riddell> dunno, I'm using kubuntu-ppa/staging and vivid archive
[09:41] <Riddell> lots of bits transitioned yesterday
[09:41] <soee> Riddell: i tried to enable staging but it wanted to rmove a lot of packages, importane one
[09:41] <Riddell> but not all
[09:42]  * lordievader goes to update his plasma5 install
[09:44] <Riddell> soee: yeah it will be complete if you don't have staging, I'll upload the missing packages now maybe that'll help
[09:45] <soee> Riddell: ok thought so, thanks
[11:58] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin 
[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> hello Riddell
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've added the extra luggage to my plain ticket
[12:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ooh great so you can bring the t-shirts?
[12:05] <ovidiu-florin> sure
[12:05] <ovidiu-florin> I'll get a cab once I get there
[12:06] <Riddell> great, keep receipts if you want a refund
[12:07] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[12:10] <Sick_Rimmit> Good afternoon friends
[12:10] <Sick_Rimmit> I have some good news
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> hello Sick_Rimmit
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> shoot
[12:10] <Sick_Rimmit> It appears that after update yesterday, the screen freeze problem is FIXED
[12:11] <Sick_Rimmit> I have been testing, and using Google+ Hangouts (Which guaranteed the problem to present after just a few minutes )
[12:11] <Sick_Rimmit> Nothing, nada
[12:11] <Riddell> yay call
[12:11] <Sick_Rimmit> All is working good
[12:11] <Riddell> yay calligra built
[12:11] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: awooga, what updated yesterday?
[12:11] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah right so that I am not sure
[12:11] <Sick_Rimmit> I was playing with Muon, 
[12:12] <Sick_Rimmit> As I have volunteered to have a try at maintaining it for apol
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:12] <Sick_Rimmit> I set my sources to pull in Pre-relesase sources, and ran an update
[12:12] <Sick_Rimmit> Hey presto fixed
[12:12] <Sick_Rimmit> Let me see If I can find anything in the logs
[12:13] <Sick_Rimmit> ! pastebin
[12:14] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Here is the apt history.log 
[12:14] <Sick_Rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9761268/
[12:15] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: you have?
[12:15] <Riddell> that'll be plasma 5.1.95 with all its kwin updates
[12:15] <Sick_Rimmit> Right OK, So I think I'll update the bug with this info
[12:23] <Sick_Rimmit> OK I have updated Bug #1384512 with details, and set to Fix Committed..
[12:31] <sitter> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active please delete
[12:32] <yofel> RIP :'(
[12:36] <soee> so plasma active is dead or just the team that supposed to bring it to kubuntu ?
[12:38] <yofel> our team
[12:43] <soee> :(
[12:43] <soee> btw someone tested current version of plasma media center ? it crashes when trying to start
[12:57] <Riddell> sitter: launchpad says "The team is queued to be deleted."
[13:01] <yofel> whatever happened to updating digikam?
[13:04] <Riddell> yofel: ahem, I might turned the ec2 off without uploading it
[13:04] <Riddell> didn't have the heart to tell the student
[13:05] <yofel> oh well
[13:05] <yofel> I'll do a nc rebuild for marble then
[13:05] <Riddell> it still needs to be worked out why he disabled the libkface library from building without doing an external release of libkface
[13:06] <soee> so the user @ #kubuntu asked about features the desktop has becaus ehe want to lear it, this might be a good idea to do such section on the promo site :)
[13:08] <Darkwing_> Morning
[13:08] <ovidiu-florin> do we have the Kubuntu logo in svg ?
[13:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Artwork
[13:09] <soee> ovidiu-florin: there is 
[13:09] <Riddell> hola Darkwing chico
[13:09] <Darkwing> How is everything in KubuLand?
[13:09] <Riddell> busy busy, all these 5 releases keeping me occupied
[13:10] <Darkwing> I hear ya. How is 5 shaping up?
[13:11] <Riddell> yofel: any thoughts on what is stopping kate4/kate and konsole4/konsole from transitioning?
[13:11] <Riddell> Darkwing: mostly awesome
[13:11] <Darkwing> is vivid running 5?
[13:12] <Riddell> yep
[13:12] <yofel> it is, although I wouldn't really call it "awesome". It's getting better though.
[13:12] <Riddell> that's why I said mostly awesome
[13:12] <Riddell> but really I wouldn't want to go back to 4 land now
[13:12] <yofel> my favorite part of the last update is that my panel is now on my non-primary display if I connect another monitor...
[13:12] <Darkwing> LOL still buggy upstream or, is it the intergration to Kubuntu?
[13:13] <Riddell> panels skip around all over the place, I like chasing them sometimes
[13:13] <yofel> mostly upstream IMO. But some of that comes from us integration unfinished things because they were missing
[13:13] <soee> :o
[13:14] <soee> since 5.1.2 i have my 2 panels on 2 screens aligne dnice
[13:14] <soee> one on primary,  and second on next
[13:15] <yofel> I have only one. But as there's not much difference between primary and !p, it doesn't matter much
[13:15] <BluesKaj_> VDs still won't allow different backgrounds 
[13:16] <BluesKaj_> and where'st
[13:16] <soee> ;D
[13:16] <BluesKaj_> the quicklaunch
[13:16] <soee> BluesKaj_: ill test activities today 
[13:16] <soee> hope they work fine now in 5.2beta
[13:16] <BluesKaj_> not activities, virtual desktops
[13:16] <soee> *read: aps can be assigned ot them, wallpapers does not jump from one to another etcv
[13:17] <soee> BluesKaj_: yes, yes i know 
[13:17] <Darkwing> Will it be ready for an April release?
[13:17] <soee> *dont jump
[13:17] <yofel> I hope so because we're definitely not going back to kde4
[13:18] <BluesKaj_> hey soee, when's 5.2 being released?
[13:19] <soee> end of the month ?
[13:19] <BluesKaj_> I like kde4 , it only took me 5 yrs to get used to it and it's solid
[13:19] <Darkwing> LOL all or nothing eh?
[13:19] <yofel> pretty much ^^
[13:19] <Darkwing> I might push it and test it on my laptop.
[13:19] <soee> BluesKaj_: 27th https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
[13:19] <Darkwing> I want to see what 5 does with my screen
[13:20] <BluesKaj_> ok soee thanks
[13:20] <soee> but still i think 5.2.1 or 5.2.2 will be the one we can say stable 
[13:20] <Darkwing> see if they fixed HiDPI scaling issues
[13:23] <BluesKaj_> Darkwing:  large monitor ?
[13:23] <Darkwing> ThinkPad X1
[13:24] <Darkwing> I went all out when i replaced my laptop lol
[13:26] <BluesKaj_> right, there are several different X1s tho, sort of like this G500...several different versions depending on the HW etc
[13:27] <Darkwing> 2560 x 1440 non touch
[13:27] <BluesKaj_> X1 is a nice laptop 
[13:27] <Darkwing> 2nd Gen
[13:27] <Darkwing> I love it.
[13:27] <Darkwing> I won't be leaving ThinkPad ever I don't think.
[13:29] <Darkwing> When my old Dell Vostro finally died, I got a Chromebook. After a while I decided that I needed a real laptop again. But, I wanted light without sacrificing speed and power.
[13:29] <BluesKaj_> wife gave me this g500 after consulting with my daughter at Christmas 2013... i3 but it serves my needs nicely
[13:29] <Riddell> Darkwing: how did you find the chromebook?
[13:30] <Darkwing> I loved the Chromebook. Just development of any sort with it is... An exercise in patience.
[13:30] <BluesKaj_> guess the chrome book isn't a real laptop :)
[13:31] <Darkwing> Its close. Very very close.
[13:31] <Darkwing> I had the Samsung ARM version.
[13:31] <Riddell> how close is it to normal linux?
[13:32] <Darkwing> As close as Android. 
[13:33] <Riddell> what graphics layer does it use?
[13:35] <Darkwing> Its own. Blink. In its natural state, its a beefed up Chrome Browser
[13:37] <Riddell> it makes me jelous, it's what desktop linux has always wanted to do but nobody has been able to do
[13:38] <Darkwing> Its brilliant. For ppl who are looking for an internet machine. Email, google docs, GFaceSpace+ etc... Its perfect.
[13:39] <BluesKaj_> Riddell:  I just reinstalled W7 and Kubuntu 14.10 on this laptop , guess which was faster and easier >
[13:39] <BluesKaj_> ?
[13:39] <Darkwing> I was doing well for a while running an online code editors... However, full online IDEs are still lacking.
[13:40] <BluesKaj_> W7 didn't even provide a decent bcm wifi driver, while kubuntu ubiquity hasd
[13:40] <BluesKaj_> ]it ready during the install
[13:41] <Riddell> what is W7?
[13:41] <Riddell> oh windows?
[13:41] <BluesKaj_> W8.1 is totally hopeless
[13:41] <Riddell> I find windows so hard to use these days
[13:41] <BluesKaj_> driverwise
[13:41] <Darkwing> I don't mind 8.1... Then again, I have recovery disks.
[13:42] <Darkwing> Never tried to hunt and peck drivers. Eff that lol
[13:42] <BluesKaj_> i keep windows around for wife's sake, gotta keep up to date somewhat if she runs into trouble
[13:46] <Darkwing> I keep it for Diablo 3. Brother and I play.
[13:46] <BluesKaj_> she plays Lord of the Rings Online, not available on steam yet, altho there was talk 
[13:46] <Darkwing> At least I can blow up Kerbals in Linux.
[13:47] <BluesKaj_> kerbals wth is that?  :)
[13:48] <yofel> Riddell: sorry, I don't see any obvious reason for kate and konsole being stuck either
[13:48] <Darkwing> Kerbal Space Program...
[13:48] <Darkwing> Its amazing.. Sandbox space game. Best game outside of ingress
[13:50] <Darkwing> https://kerbalspaceprogram.com free demo. Totally worth twice what they are asking
[13:50]  * BluesKaj_ isn't a gamer so I get lost easily during gaming talk
[13:50] <Darkwing> I'm not either
[13:51] <Darkwing> Sandbox is you create everything. 
[13:56] <Darkwing> this is ksp.: http://youtu.be/y40NZHPaJJA
[13:58] <BluesKaj_> ok , this laptop is up to date plasma 5 wise ...bbiab
[13:59] <yofel> Riddell: do you still have the digikam work around somewhere? (It doesn't seem to be in bzr)
[14:03] <Riddell> yofel: no I don't
[14:03] <Riddell> yofel: it wasn't much a few files changed
[14:03] <Riddell> a few build-deps too, libkgeomap and libkface
[14:03] <Riddell> one has a release, one doesn't
[14:04] <yofel> ok
[14:05]  * Riddell uploads plasma 5.1.95 to kubuntu-ppa/next-staging
[14:08] <stefan`> so we'll have 5.1.95 in next before it lands in kubuntu-ci?
[14:10] <stefan`> uh - just realized that ci-stable has 5.1.95 and ci-unstable still is with 5.1.2
[14:10] <stefan`> it seems i still don't really understand those archives ;)
[14:11] <sitter> unstable just has build problems and no one is fixing them
[14:15] <shadeslayer> sitter: I fixed a few yesterday
[14:15] <shadeslayer> but clearly shit broke again
[14:15] <sitter> wouldn't get into daily if everything is green
[14:16] <sitter> and mck also didn't fix kaccounts-providers so that is blocking anyway
[14:16] <sitter> all incomplete license situation
[14:17] <Riddell> yofel, ScottK, anyone: any thoughts on why kde-runtime is Not Considered? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[14:17] <Riddell> I set force-skiptest on marble, cantor and kde-runtime
[14:24]  * shadeslayer loosk
[14:25] <Riddell> ok I need to skoot off to my spanish class
[14:25] <Riddell> plasma-desktop needs retried once plasma-workspace has finished
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to show it to someone in #ubuntu-devel, I'm not sure what's wrong
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/vivid/2015-01-16/14:15:27.log
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu/files
[14:29] <Riddell> and the utopic backports need poked into compiling, needs groo's backports for bluez and it needs testing before moving to kubuntu-ppa/next-backports
[14:29] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging/+packages
[14:50] <Riddell> yay calligra is in vivid!
[14:50] <Riddell> just in time to package beta 2 :)
[14:50] <Riddell> Sergobot: fancy packaging the new calligra beta?
[14:53] <Sergobot> Riddell: Sounds good :)
[14:54] <Riddell> Sergobot: start with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.8.90-0ubuntu9
[14:54] <Riddell> and https://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-2-9-beta-2-released/
[14:55] <Riddell> Calligra is now a fully Qt 4-based software" hmm that' a bit late :)
[15:14] <soee> ekhm :)
[15:15] <soee> breeze decoration is gone 
[15:18] <soee> whats is teh name of package responsible for breeze decoration ?
[15:30] <cmagina> soee: i am experiencing a similar issue, i think, on vivid. no window has a decoration. if you open settings and go to the decoration config, the only one listed is plastiq and you can't apply it. the breeze packages are still installed, but breeze and the decoration bits were recently updated
[15:32] <Sergobot> Riddell: I can't download sources from http://download.kde.org/unstable/calligra-2.8.91/calligra-2.8.91.tar.xz It says, I haven't got permission to access
[15:33] <_Groo_> guys, kio-mtp is MIA from the latest build
[15:33] <_Groo_> was it removed?
[15:34] <_Groo_> cant conect to my nexus anymore :(
[15:36] <soee> ok a small summary, after todays upgrades: no window decoration (Breeze is gone also form systrem settings), activities manager does not work, plasmashell does not start (needs to be fired manually), logout, restart, shutdown buttons dotn work
[15:37] <cmagina> _Groo_: i noticed it had a conflict with a new kio-extras package, not sure if it was moved there. at least for me, since dropping it for the kio-extras package it sees my phone connect, but there seem to be some other issues, maybe lower level that prevent it from being mounted
[15:38] <_Groo_> it connects and it shows in devices but cant be mounted via dolphin
[15:38] <_Groo_> so something is up
[15:38] <cmagina> yeah, that is what i see
[15:40] <cmagina> soee: i haven't had access to the activities manager since installing vivid a week ago. everything starts fine here, restart worked for me, however logout seems to fail to complete, leaving me with a black screen and a cursor. my window decorations are also gone as of this mornings update
[15:47] <BluesKaj>  cmagina, I rm -rf'd the conflicting installed kio package and the upgrade continued
[15:49] <cmagina> BluesKaj: i ended up removing the kio-mtp package, which allowed the kio-extras package to install. maybe i should try and install it now
[15:50] <cmagina> nope, that would remove plasma, kubuntu-desktop, etc
[15:51] <BluesKaj> cmagina, give me a few mins, I'll track the package name down on my 15.04 install
[15:55] <BluesKaj_> cmagina: does this look like the right one?  /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/kio_mtp.mo
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> mtp alright
[15:57] <cmagina> BluesKaj_: yeah, that is the one
[15:57] <cmagina> had to go back to the apt log to verify
[15:58] <cmagina> it looks like kio-mtp is set as a conflict to the new kio-extras package which is required by plasma
[15:59] <BluesKaj_> I ran, sudo rm -rf /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/kio_mtp.mo , then I updated and upgraded, and also a dist-upgrade
[15:59] <cmagina> yeah, that is one way, but the real problem is that kio-mtp doesn't get removed prior to installing kio-extras
[16:01] <BluesKaj_> well, i solved the dependency and upgrade error with that removal ...I gambled and it worked, since i had nothing to lose ...this just a test bed OS to me
[16:01] <BluesKaj_> is
[16:02] <cmagina> ah, it'll probably need to get fixed before release to ensure 14.10 -> 15.04 upgrades don't fail
[16:02] <BluesKaj_> oh you are on 14.10...ok that expalins it
[16:03] <BluesKaj_> err expalains
[16:04] <cmagina> no no, i am running 15.04
[16:04] <cmagina> i mention the 14.10 -> 15.05 upgrade path as that might break due to this conflict
[16:05] <BluesKaj_> ok, so yoy're sayin the rm -rf  wants to remove the plasma 5 desktop?
[16:05] <BluesKaj_> anyway, one of me in here is enough :)
[16:06] <cmagina> no, what i am saying is that is a workaround, a fix will probably be needed to ensure users don't hit it when upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04
[16:07] <BluesKaj> well that's a given, i'm sure the devs are aware of the bug by now
[16:08] <cmagina> and this recent loss of decorations is probably due to a version requirement being missed, the libkdecorations... packages probably require the newer version of kwin or something like that
[16:08] <cmagina> yeah
[16:09] <cmagina> still good to report such things, gotta find time to do that myself
[16:11] <cmagina> here is the kio bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-extras/+bug/1411257
[16:42] <_Groo_> the thing is, to me kio-extras and kio-extras-data installed correctly (using 14.10 with ci) and removed kio-mtp
[16:42] <_Groo_> i have the new kio.so in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/mtp.so
[16:42] <_Groo_> but dolphin is 14.10 so i believe dolphin doesnt mount mtp because it cant use kf5 plugins
[16:42] <_Groo_> is still kde 4.x
[16:43] <soee> the current beta packages are in general somehow "incomplete", a lot of thigs does not work
[16:43] <_Groo_> which explains why it shows up using solid (kf5) but cant be mounted (dolphin kde 4.x)
[16:43] <_Groo_> soee: but 15.04 has the new dolphin kf5 based already?
[16:44] <soee> _Groo_: im not sure
[16:44] <soee> its 4.11.97
[16:45] <_Groo_> soee: aahh that explains it, mine is 4:4.14.1-0ubuntu1
[16:45] <_Groo_> from kubuntu-ci
[16:46] <_Groo_> is Riddell around? what is the status on the 4.12 backport to utopic
[16:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[16:56] <soee_> Riddell, yofel: http://pastebin.com/hpnTjke6
[16:59] <soee> BluesKaj: can you confirm this problems with upgrdes ?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> soee, not that one, the errors i had were with kio-mtp
[17:08] <_Groo_> soee: do we have a experimental ppa for applications 4.12 backports?
[17:13] <soee> _Groo_: im not sure
[18:08] <yofel> soee: hm, kscreen shouldn't have migrated... are you using proposed?
[18:09] <yofel> er wait, it did migrate
[18:09] <yofel> but then this shouldn't be happening -.-
[18:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Fixed the version in the marble force.
[18:44] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: how do you upload images to the current site?
[18:45] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: on kubuntu.org?
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:45] <yofel> you put them in the template and hope to find a sysadmin that syncs it. Drupal can theoretically attach images to a post, but that's broken
[18:46] <yofel> at least it was last time I tried it
[19:16] <_Groo_> any news on a new kde-baseapps? dolphin cant use the new kio libs anymore
[19:16] <_Groo_> since dolphin is kde 4.x and the new kio-data and extra-data are kf5
[19:20] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: you around?
[19:20] <ovidiu-florin> I have sudo access on the docs server, but I'm not in the sudoers file. How does this work?
[19:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[19:20] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^
[19:28] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: you are in a group who has access
[19:28] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: prolly
[19:29] <ovidiu-florin> can I add jose to that group?
[19:30] <_Groo_> ovidiu-florin: havent a clue, just guessing
[19:30] <ovidiu-florin> I mean, am I allowed to?
[19:36] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: add him to the sudo group
[19:37] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[19:37] <yofel> and he's an ubuntu member and member of kubuntu-website, so I think we can risk adding him
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> me and jose want to make a new wiki page with guidelines and rules for webside related stuff
[19:41] <jose> ohai
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> where should we make it?
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Website
 https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Website
[19:42] <ovidiu-florin> this is a question for everybody
[20:12] <soee> yofel i did install the updates
[20:12] <soee> it removed plasma worksapce, kwin etc :/
[20:12] <soee> i have installed them and have the system running more or less
[20:12] <yofel> you might've updated at a bad time
[20:13] <soee> :D
[20:14] <soee> oh nvidia-prime update :o
[20:14] <soee> maybe propritty drivers start working
[20:14] <soee> laso i have this marked as not needed anymore: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad libcdaudio1 libdeclarative-multimedia libdirac-encoder0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad0.10-0 libkf5baloocore1 libkf5baloocore5 libkf5baloofiles5 libkf5balooxapian5 libplasmamediacenter1.3 libqtmultimediakit1 libslv2-9
[20:14] <yofel> looks reasonable
[20:16] <soee> kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-plasma-5-desktop are the one responsible fgor valid installation ? 
[20:16] <soee> the meta package ?
[20:16] <yofel> kubuntu-desktop is. plasma5 was the utopic next thing
[20:16] <soee> so i can remove kubuntu-plasma5-desktop ?
[20:17] <yofel> yep
[20:20] <soee> hwhats teh m,ain difference between kubuntu-desktop and plasma-desktop ?
[20:21] <soee> kio-mtp has some serious problems
[20:24] <soee> brb
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com/en/2015/01/13/the-kde-t-shirts-are-here/
[20:32] <ovidiu-florin> in case you didn't see it
[20:55] <soee> uhm, propriety drivers break loading system
[20:56] <soee> activities seems to be broken to :-)
[21:16] <yofel> soee: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that installs everything we consider to be part of a kubuntu desktop system. It doesn't contain anything
[21:16] <yofel> plasma-desktop is the actual plasma shell
[21:17] <soee> yofel: thakn you, are you pn 5.1.95 maybe ?
[21:18] <yofel> yep, so far I have the panel fun I mentioned earlier, no breeze decorations and a couple crashes -.-
[21:18] <yofel> ah wait, no, not on .95
[21:18] <soee> :)
[21:19] <yofel> er.. right, I have a version mix installed, that can't work right...
[21:20] <soee> probably same as me :)
[21:20] <soee> anyway, can you confirm maybe https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342935
[21:20] <yofel> yeah, updated an ~hour ago
[21:20] <yofel> I have only one activity here (don't use them)
[21:20] <soee> brb, 1 min have to reboot
[21:40] <tsdgeos> hi guys, any idea why kwin is stuck in proposed?
[21:41] <tsdgeos> also this looks a bit empty tbh https://paste.kde.org/pcpnxzro3
[21:56] <xnox> ScottK: Riddell: framework5 session is managed by systemd?
[21:56] <xnox> in vivid?
[21:56] <ScottK> Plasma 5.  Frameworks is the library.
[21:57] <ScottK> Dunno the answer to your question though.
[21:57] <tsdgeos> libraries
[21:57] <ScottK> True