[07:18] <soee> good morning
[08:26] <jubo2> Suppose I have a machine with Ethernet and WiFi connected. Can I choose what to route to what internet ?
[08:27] <jubo2> I mean I'd like to download all the big data items via landline coz it's unecolo to do so on wireless networks
[08:29] <hateball> jubo2: sure
[08:30] <jubo2> hateball: got any software names or urls ?
[08:30] <jubo2> or is it with not-off-the-shelf stuff
[08:30] <hateball> jubo2: well actually describe a bit more in detail
[08:30] <hateball> you have two interfaces on a LAN, but you want only one of them to be used for WAN?
[08:31] <hateball> or should both use WAN but iface1 for certain urls, and iface2 for others?
[08:33] <hateball> hmmm, seems you couldnt set metric with network-manager until recently
[08:33] <jubo2> hateball: I have ethernet connected to 20/1 Mbit/s ADSL. I have wireless connected to a portable 4G WiFi basestation. I want irc to go to wireless, all upload ( 4G is 15x faster uploader here where I live than the landline ) goes to 4G and TOR.. I dunno where TOR goes..
[08:33] <hateball> that'd be one way to go about it
[08:34] <hateball> ah
[08:34] <hateball> hmmm
[08:34] <hateball> that's.... tricky
[08:35] <jubo2> hateball: The System™ would hate this kind of software enabling versatile configuration and even randomization for people with many internets
[08:35] <jubo2> If one could dynamically route traffic to via many different internet conncetions would really cook the NSA stalk-guy's noodle
[08:36] <hateball> jubo2: google led me here, but I havent tried it http://www.evolware.org/?p=293
[08:36] <hateball> there is the option of iptables per ip etc but that's annoying...
[08:38] <jubo2> hateball: I hear https://duckduckgo.com and https://ixquick.com are the most privacy respecting search engines
[08:39] <jubo2> keep those Exabyte stacks building in the "Not-yet-cracked SSL encrypted traffic" in the NSA data silos
[08:41] <jubo2> plus they don't record your IP nor your search terms nor your click
[08:41] <jubo2> "If you are not paying for the product. You are the product." ~ Some guy
[08:43] <jubo2> So good reason to avoid dominant and rich companies and choose smaller SME self-capitalist who makes the pay-checks happen businesses..
[08:44] <hateball> k
[08:45] <jubo2> I'm having a LibreOffice Draw not starting situation on a Kubuntu14
[08:47] <jubo2> I'm downloading LibreOffice for Windows as a work-around
[08:47] <jubo2> really rare on GNU/Linux that a program just won't start
[08:49] <hateball> jubo2: Does it state anything if started from a terminal?
[08:49] <jubo2> hateball: I dunno. I always use the KDE-menu on the low-left
[08:50] <hateball> Yes well that's not very helpful when troubleshooting
[08:50] <jubo2> hateball: in other words.. how do I start it from shell
[08:50] <hateball> jubo2: open terminal, "lodraw"
[08:51] <jubo2> hateball: I do that. Rebooting to Kubuntu14 GNU/Linux now
[08:56] <jubo2> hateball: ok.. I run 'lodraw' now
[08:56] <jubo2> doesn't print anything, doesn't open any window
[08:56] <jubo2> I ctrl-c ?
[08:57] <lordieva1er> Good morning.
[08:58] <jubo2> mah libreoffice is brokeh
[09:09] <jubo2> Trying to get my brain to use Windows LibreOffice draw is causing it to warp
[09:09] <jubo2> Someone plos fix mah LibreOffice
[09:10] <soee> jubo2: whats wrong with it on Kubuntu ?
[09:10] <jubo2> soee: won't start at all
[09:10] <soee> LO Math ?
[09:10] <jubo2> I tried
[09:11] <soee> works fine for me
[09:11] <jubo2> 'lodraw' but that just hangs and doesn't print anything
[09:11] <soee> do you have officail packages from ubuntu repos ?
[09:11] <soee> are you sure its not opening on some different screen / activity for you ?
[09:12] <jubo2> soee: yes.. nothing is installed via other methods then 'sudo install this'
[09:27] <yu_> is it a commone problem in 14.10 that fonts change by themself to something unreadable?
[09:28] <yu_> and its usually not the special fonts either, its like v or o and so on letters you have in most languages
[09:30] <soee> nope
[09:32] <yu_> its happens frequently and I dont like to change fonts 1 or 2 times each session
[11:07] <yu_> damn fonts changed by themself for 2nd time in just hours. This never happened with other distros I tried
[11:12] <yu_> it happens only with mozilla : firefox and thunderbird...
[11:15] <yu_> maybe problem solved, I found something in settings about allowing websites to set fonts by themself as a default.
[11:47] <hateball> yu_: if it's the GUI fonts, those are GTK apps so maybe something is off with the oxygen-gtk
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:41] <mazal> Good day everyone. Can someone recommend me a good KDE guide of everything the desktop can do. Recently installed Kubuntu and want to learn this desktop and it's features
[12:46] <soee> mazal: i think you must play with it a bit, though what you expect it to do/what you need ?
[12:47] <mazal> Soee , I just want to learn all it's features
[12:48] <mazal> Been on Unity a long time and switched now , don't know KDE at all , so just want to learn it
[12:48] <soee> BluesKaj: you are more experienced, can you give some advice here, or lordievader ^
[12:49] <soee> im not usre what advice should i give :) for me learing something is clicking here and there, looking for a ferature i need etc.
[12:49] <mazal> Just like a link to a nice full how-to / manual. Nothing specific I need , want to learn it all
[12:52] <soee> mazal: for a very basic stuff take a look at http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour
[12:53] <soee> than i just suggest click here and there and test stuff
[12:53] <soee> System Settings secion is your  friend to see what  can be configured
[12:53] <soee> so Alt + F2 and type: System Settings and investigate each section there
[12:58] <_zxq9_> Hrm... anyone know if Postgres receives minor version release updates during the life of a single LTS version?
[13:00] <_zxq9_> Some distros only upgrade patches, so 9.3 will get updates to 9.3.1, 9.3.2, etc, but never 9.4 -- which is why I'm wondering.
[13:00] <klerik> May be you add some advanced repositary?
[13:01] <klerik> with postgres
[13:02] <_zxq9_> klerik: I usually do, just wondering if I should expect to skip adding the upstream deb repo, or if that's necessary with this distro.
[13:03] <_zxq9_> I'm not as familiar with this distro as with some of the others I've worked on for longer.
[13:03] <yofel> _zxq9_: #ubuntu-server might know more about that
[13:03] <_zxq9_> yofel: ty
[14:37] <Walex> csed: _zxq9_ you may not be entirely familiar with the notion of "LTS" :-)
[14:42] <_zxq9_> Walex: Not whatever the meaning is in the Ubuntu community. I'm rather intimately familiar with the idea in rh, suse, and aix -- but the ubuntu world seems to see many things very differently (and recently rh has changed its tendencies as well).
[14:43] <_zxq9_> So it was worth checking. No sense including a repo that the distro was going to be moving along with anyway.
[14:48] <noah> I'm having trouble connecting to a network
[14:49] <_zxq9_> noah: A bit vague... care to elaborate?
[14:50] <noah> _zxq9_: it's suck at "connecting"
[14:50] <_zxq9_> To the internet, or a specific network?
[14:50] <noah> __zxq9__: all networks
[14:51] <_zxq9_> Wireless or with a cable?
[14:51] <_zxq9_> (like ethernet cable)
[14:52] <noah> __zxq9__: Both I think. it started when "vmnet1" and "vmnet8" appeared in my networks. I had had vmware installed for a while and had never seen them (as far as I know)
[14:52] <_zxq9_> Is your kubuntu a virtual guest, or the host?
[14:53] <noah> __zxq9__: so I uninstalled vmware but the problem is still persisting. Kubuntu is a host.
[14:54] <_zxq9_> Where are you seeing "vmnet?" entries? Like, what command are you using to see this?
[14:55] <yossarianuk> i hate vmware..... KVM is far more flexible.
[14:55] <_zxq9_> yossarianuk: +1
[14:55] <noah> _zxq9_ I was seeing them. In the networks module. I uninstalled vmware and they diappeared
[14:55] <_zxq9_> otoh, vmware is sort of the braindead "right" solution for people who hate thinking hard, and honestly, so is ubuntu for desktop types who like linux.
[14:56] <_zxq9_> noah: Can you paste the output of "ip addr" somewhere?
[14:57] <noah> _zxq9_: unfortunately this is dual booted with Kubuntu so I have to shut off to go check.
[14:57] <_zxq9_> oh, that sucks.
[14:58] <noah> _zxq9_: what might ip addr give out? I may know unless it's something real technical.
[14:58] <_zxq9_> noah: Usually, I troubleshoot network issues from absolute zero on the command line (regardless of distro).
[14:58] <_zxq9_> noah: It should show you what network devices you have enabled, and then what addresses each device should be listening for.
[14:59] <_zxq9_> So, for example, here is mine right now: http://fpaste.org/170524/14214203/
[14:59] <_zxq9_> Given that, I can usually get a grip on what is wrong.
[14:59] <noah> _zxq9_: OK. Well I'm pretty sure the ones I need are enabled. But I'll check.
[15:00] <noah> _zxq9_: This issue does have an interesting symptom though
[15:00] <_zxq9_> There is a Gentoo wiki page about ip manual setup that is usually remarkably useful in other situations... let me find it.
[15:00] <_zxq9_> noah: What is the interesting symptom?
[15:01] <noah> _zxq9_: You know how when not connected it displays a wifi bar with a yellow dot?
[15:02] <noah> _zxq9_: And that yellow dot stays there until it is absolutely connected.
[15:03] <_zxq9_> yes
[15:03] <noah> _zxq9_: Well the yellow dot disappears even before it is done connecting.
[15:04] <_zxq9_> That is sort of weird.
[15:04] <noah> _zxq9_: Yeah, so it shows a wifi bar, and the loading circle spinning.
[15:05] <_zxq9_> So you *are* connection across wifi.
[15:06] <_zxq9_> And you're using the KDE environment directly.
[15:06] <_zxq9_> as in, GUI experience.
[15:07] <noah> _zxq9_: Yes for the KDE GUI. And, Well, no. Websites and stuff still don't work. The loading circle goes on and on. I haven't let it go on that much because it usually doesn't take that long so I assume that if it takes much longer than that, something is messed up.
[15:08] <_zxq9_> noah: Have you clicked it to pick a specific wifi point to which you want to connect?
[15:08] <noah> _zxq9_: Yep
[15:08] <_zxq9_> And it just takes forever. I assume you have checked the password, encryption type, etc?
[15:08] <noah> _zxq9_: Yep.
[15:09] <_zxq9_> I've had cases where the encryption type have spontaneously switched to something different than the real one -- so its good to double check.
[15:10] <noah> _zxq9_: It was having this problem on previously saved networks as well. Interestingly, before all this I had gotten the "disk is unavailable. press s or m" error, but it resolved itself.
[15:10] <_zxq9_> edit connection > wireless security > security: Type
[15:10] <_zxq9_> hrm... that is a really wild error message for this problem, though.
[15:11] <_zxq9_> What vmware product did you install?
[15:11] <noah> _zxq9_: vmware player. And I had had it on there for a while.
[15:11] <noah> _zxq9_: and the disk error was at boot
[15:11] <_zxq9_> Let me get this straight: before vmware, OK; after vmware, not OK?
[15:11] <_zxq9_> ah
[15:12] <_zxq9_> btw, I don't think this applies to your case just now, but its a profoundly useful future reference: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Full/Installation#Manual_network_configuration
[15:12] <noah> _zxq9_: Installed vmware fine. Used it for a while (weeks, maybe months). Screwed around and broke something not related to network but fixed it. Boot error. vmnet1 and 8 appear. Not fine
[15:13] <_zxq9_> What was the thing you broke?
[15:13] <noah> _zxq9_: my kdm theme
[15:13] <_zxq9_> What about the theme broke?
[15:13] <noah> _zxq9_: I deleted it accidentally.
[15:14] <_zxq9_> ah. Anything else disappear accidentally at that time along with the theme? (wondering if it was something more general in /etc)
[15:15] <noah> _zxq9_: Don't know. Didn't touch anything there. Although my bootsplash did disappear. But the network still worked for a little bit after that. Anyway. Even after I uninstalled vmware the problem persisted.
[15:16] <noah> _zxq9_: would there be some kind of log for what it's trying to do as it connects?
[15:18] <_zxq9_> How long ago did the problem start?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> noah, how did you remove vmware?
[15:19] <noah> _zxq9_: yesterday. BluesKaj I uninstalled it via vmware-uninstaller.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> noah, strange then it should have removed the networking config file which seems to be hijacking your internet connection
[15:21] <lordievader> soee: Learning KDE means using it, there is not really a guide for that...
[15:21] <noah> BluesKaj: what do you mean?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> noah, I had the same experience with vmware a while back
[15:22] <noah> BluesKaj: stuck at connecting as it goes on and on?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:23] <noah> BluesKaj: how did u fix it?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> noah, look for vmware files and i purged them , sudo rm -rf vmware*... it was drastic but it was the only way iirc
[15:25] <BluesKaj> lordievader, any suggestions, that are less drastic ?
[15:25] <noah> BluesKaj: and do I need to be in a certain folder to do so?
[15:26] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Err, what? About this wifi thing? I haven't really been following the conversation.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> noah, that commandf I posted my be very dangerous , I don't advise using it
[15:26] <BluesKaj> may be
[15:28] <_zxq9_> それで出来るかも
[15:28] <_zxq9_> bah... wrong channel
[15:28]  * BluesKaj vowed to never use vmware again
[15:29] <BluesKaj> !cn | _zxq9_
[15:29] <_zxq9_> noah: try something like "locate vmware" first, just to see where everything names *vmware* is first.
[15:29] <_zxq9_> BluesKaj: Japanese, not Chinese. Anyway, misspost there.
[15:30] <_zxq9_> !jp | _zxq9_
[15:30] <_zxq9_> heh, interesting.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> _zxq9_, oops sorry ...my japanese is a little rusty
[15:31] <lordievader> Blegh, my utf-8 support is broken (again) :(
[15:31] <_zxq9_> BluesKaj: np, just totally wrong thing. My head was mixed in two conversations and two languages at once. blurp.
[15:31] <noah> BluesKaj: do you know if there is a log where I can see what network-manager is doing while it is stuck connecting?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> noah, var/log/syslog
[15:32] <_zxq9_> BluesKaj: btw, there seems to be an army of just me in the jp channels... hehe. Typical.
[15:32] <noah> BluesKaj: oh. well that will show everything. Anything more specific?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> err /var/log/syslog
[15:32] <_zxq9_> noah: Be prepared to plow through a few bajillion messages to find the pertinent ones in there.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> noah, nope, can't think of anything...syslog is the latest one usually afaik
[15:33] <noah> ok. I'm gonna hop over there. hopefully I can come back soon. BluesKaj I found this: grep -i networkmanager /var/log/syslog
[15:34] <BluesKaj> noah, when was your last boot?
[15:34] <noah> this morning
[15:34] <BluesKaj> then itshouldn't be too long
[15:34] <noah> but I'm going over to my kubuntu boot now.
[15:35] <lordievader> noah: Turn off NM, and try connecting with wpa_supplicant.
[15:35] <lordievader> Gives you all the nitty gritty you need to debug the issue.
[16:18] <noah> im back BluesKaj\
[16:18] <noah> _zxq9_: im back
[16:21] <noah> is anyone on?
[16:21] <lordievader> noah: Did you receive my message?
[16:21] <noah> lordievader: no
[16:22] <lordievader> noah: Turn off NM, and try connecting with wpa_supplicant.
[16:22] <lordievader> Gives you all the nitty gritty you need to debug the issue.
[16:23] <noah> I found the issue
[16:23] <noah> "No secrets"
[16:24] <BluesKaj> noah, ok, care to share ?
[16:24] <noah> I thought I had copied it and saved it but forgot to save
[16:24] <noah> but i remember
[16:24] <noah> "no secrets"
[16:25] <lordievader> No secrets, sounds like a wrong wpa passphrase.
[16:25] <noah> lordievader: well I know it is correct.
[16:26] <noah> lordievader: this was in the syslog
[16:28] <noah_> did i miss anything
[16:29] <noah_> BluesKaj: what was the config file you found that was messing up ur wifi
[16:30] <lordievader> noah_: Could you pastebin the relevant syslog output, please?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> wth is wrong with launchpad , i changed IP addresses a long time ago when i changed my ISP, now I can't change the registered email address to one that actaully works
[16:30] <noah_> I though I had saved it, but it messed up. It will take a while for me to try it again.
[16:31] <BluesKaj> noah_, it was a vmware network config file iirc
[16:31] <noah_> lordievader: i have to redo it. I had to save to a file but forgot to click save. it might take a few mins.
[16:32] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Since when does LP care about your ip address.
[16:32] <lordievader> ?
[16:32] <noah___> lordievader: I was disconnected. did u say anything?
[16:33] <lordievader> noah___: No.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> yeah , lordievader, good point, maybe aI'm being a bit anal about it but it bugs me that LP won't let me change i9n the my profile after logging in ...seems silly to me
[16:34] <noah___> lordievader: ok. so i'm going to have to boot back into kubuntu to get the log.
[16:41] <Jbuug> hello
[16:42] <BluesKaj> hi Jbuug
[16:42] <BluesKaj> heh
[17:03] <noah___> lordievader: you still on?
[17:03] <lordievader> Yes.
[17:03] <noah___> ok. I got the file I'm gonna pastebin it
[17:05] <noah___> lordievader: should I use some synatax highlighting to make it easier?
[17:06] <lordievader> noah___: No, just pastebin the contents.
[17:06] <noah___> lordievader: just pmd you the link
[17:07] <noah___> lordievader: i used x's to hide some personally identifiable info
[17:09] <lordievader> App armor kills your dhcp request it seems, you are connected just fine.
[17:09] <noah___> lordievader: what is app armor?
[17:10] <lordievader> noah___: A ubuntu security thing.
[17:10] <noah___> oh.
[17:10] <lordievader> See lines 144 till the end.
[17:11] <noah___> so It appears it actually connected with my friends hotspot but it couldn't ping
[17:12] <noah___> lordievader: what could i do to fix the ping?
[17:13] <lordievader> noah___: You are connected, but you cannot get an ip since your dhcp client is getting killed before it can request an ip.
[17:14] <noah___> lordievader: how do I fix that?
[17:16] <lordievader> noah___: No idea, I don't know app armor as it has never bothered me. Figure out why it is blocking it, and make an exception or something.
[17:17] <noah___> lordievader: it could be a route thing. I'm gonna go try route -n/
[17:17] <lordievader> noah___: It ain't, look at the logging.
[17:18] <noah___> lordievader: why now of all times? how did it work before?
[17:19] <noah___> lordievader: i'm gonna try it any way
[17:29] <MadRabbit> hi all, downloaded 14.10-amd64 iso by utorrent (3 times) and direct 2 times. md5's do not match from either download, Burned 1 of each type download (at 1x). Neither will do an install; stops at 33%. No disc spin, no hd light...45 minutes later, both died. What's wrong?
[17:36] <noah____> lordievader: you still on?
[17:37] <lordievader> Yes...
[17:37] <noah____> what again were you saying was blocking it?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> MadRabbit, from this mirror ? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[17:38] <lordievader> noah____: Look in your log, it is killing a dhcp client.
[17:39] <noah____> lordievader: k.
[17:40] <noah____> lordievader: gonna b disconnected in a bit for a few
[17:43] <noah_____> lordievader: can u explain it a little better
[17:44] <lordievader> noah_____: Do you know what dhcp is?
[17:44] <noah_____> lordievader: sort of.
[17:44] <lordievader> noah_____: Define sort of.
[17:45] <noah_____> lordievader: As far as I know it is the system that dyamicaly gives out ip addresses
[17:45] <lordievader> noah_____: Yes, a client does a request for an ip, and a server supplies it with one.
[17:46] <lordievader> Your client is getting killed.
[17:46] <noah_____> lordievader: good. So what is happening here? where does it say it is killing it.
[17:47] <lordievader> Jan 16 11:52:11 Noah-Kubuntu kernel: [  985.105770] type=1400 audit(1421427131.682:84): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="/sbin/dhclient" name="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper" pid=5361 comm="dhclient" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[17:47] <lordievader> Jan 16 11:52:11 Noah-Kubuntu dhclient: execve (/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper, ...): Permission denied
[17:47] <noah_____> lordievader: ok
[17:48] <BluesKaj> noah_____, sudo dhclient wlan0 ...does that show a connection?
[17:49] <noah_____> lordievader: just a moment
[17:51] <rberg_> personally I would be suspicious if apparmor was preventing dhclient from running. unless maybe you were modifing the config files or changing paths.
[17:53] <rberg_> also on my system I dont have a "/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper" but I do have "/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action"
[17:54] <noah_____> rberg_: lordievader am going over to kubuntu to try something. Also while i was over there route -n gave up empty
[17:55] <rberg_> check and see if "/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper" actually exists
[17:55] <BluesKaj> rberg_, think it's a leftover setting in networking config file modified by vmware, which has since been removed
[17:55] <rberg_> ohh that could be.. (I dont use vmware)
[17:56] <BluesKaj> network manager actually
[18:02] <MadRabbit> hi all, downloaded 14.10-amd64 iso by utorrent (3 times) and direct 2 times. md5's do not match from either download, Burned 1 of each type download (at 1x). Neither will do an install; stops at 33%. No disc spin, no hd light...45 minutes later, both died. What's wrong?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> MadRabbit, from this mirror ? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[18:04] <MadRabbit> hmm, I'll double-chk the site...
[18:06] <MadRabbit> yes, plasma 4
[18:09] <MadRabbit> from ther, I downloaded both iso AND torrent
[18:18] <MadRabbit> ok, md5 sum listed on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu are WRONG!!! The sum on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/utopic/release/MD5SUMS match.
[18:23] <noah_____> lordievader: i'm back. I realized I forgot to do the command u asked my to. what was it again?
[18:25] <noah_____> i think I got it. am trying again
[18:46] <noah> lordievader: u there? I think I fixed it.
[18:48] <BluesKaj> noah, how ? share nit with us so we can make a note if this comes up again
[19:03] <noah> lordievader: ok I "fixed" it. Now I have a totally different issue.
[19:04] <noah> noah:
[19:05] <nmg321> noah
[19:13] <noah> lordievader: you still there?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> noah, just state your new issue, perhaps some one else can help
[19:16] <noah> network-manager is having trouble managing secrets
[19:19] <BluesKaj> secrets ?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> noah, ^
[19:19] <noah> BluesKaj: the wifi secrets.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> password ?
[19:22] <noah> BluesKaj: no. but it is have problems connecting to previously saved networks.
[19:24] <lordievader> noah: Doesn't nm give them to kwallet?
[19:24] <kubuntu> hi
[19:24] <noah> lordievader: yeah. I think it's a kwallet issue
[19:28] <noah> lordievader: I'm getting "...has security, but secrets are required."
[19:30] <lordievader> noah: I'm going to suggest again to use wpa_supplicant: disable NM and use wpa_supplicant.
[19:30] <lordievader> NM is usefull, but it can be a large pita.
[19:30] <noah> lordievader: what is wpa_supplicant and how can I make sure disabling NM wont break internet?
[19:31] <lordievader> It will. That is the fun part :P
[19:31] <lordievader> noah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo#WPA_Supplicant
[19:33] <noah> is wpa_supplicant gui compatable
[19:33] <noah> lordievader: is wpa_supplicant gui compatable
[19:35] <lordievader> noah: No idea.
[19:35]  * lordievader has to go
[20:19] <lordievader> noah: Any progress?
[21:38] <apb1963> I lost my virtual desktops....  ubuntu 14.04 with kde... any help getting them back?
[21:38] <apb1963> Reinstallation of plasma-desktop is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[21:53] <xnox> adding "plasma" session to upstart-xsessions
[21:53] <xnox> cause otherwise the session is not managed by upstart
[21:53] <xnox> wait, no
[21:53] <xnox> it's managed by systemd user session.
[21:55] <Unit193> xnox: Hello.  Though it seems it may be moot now, #kubuntu-devel is where the developers hang out and pay attention.  Since this is the support channel, much more likely to just slip past.
[21:58] <noah> im have wifi/kwallet issues
[22:09] <DaPoneKine> howdy howdy howdy
[23:26] <noah> I am having wifi issues
[23:26] <noah> with kwallet
[23:30] <petr_> ahoj
[23:39] <Scunizi> Any reason why kmail from within Kontact won't switch from the "Welcome to Kamil 4.14.2" screen when trying to view downloaded gmail?