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| colonolGron | update-grub should detect all OSs on the computer right? | 09:43 |
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| colonolGron | i have ubuntu installed, now installed gentoo from inside ubuntu to another partition | 09:43 |
| colonolGron | when i run boot-update in the ubuntu now, will it detect the gentoo? and i dont have to do anything? | 09:44 |
| colonolGron | hm there is not update-grub..is lubuntu using grub2 or grub by default? so i can reinstall update-grub... | 10:21 |
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| newbooter | sf | 14:58 |
| newbooter | oops | 14:58 |
| newbooter | Could anyone tell if it is possible to create a desktop shortcut that only shows on one desktop page when you use multiple desktops? If I create one now it shows up on all pages... | 14:59 |
| newbooter | Is this possible with LXDE? | 15:00 |
| holstein | newbooter: i dont know what that means, friend | 16:36 |
| holstein | newbooter: i mean, in FOSS, typically *anything* is possible, but, it will be a matter of conveying what you are looking for to a volunteer in the community to assist you with it, or, implementing it yourself | 16:36 |
| holstein | i get that you want an item on the desktop, that, im assuming you want to click it to activate an action.. | 16:37 |
| holstein | you only want that item on one of several multiple desktops, correct? so, you literally *cant* have it on all of them? that is *not* an option? why? | 16:38 |
| holstein | what is the goal? | 16:38 |
| colonolGron | i dont think that why is important for him, just whether its possible with lxde :) | 17:44 |
| newbooter | Sorry holstein I missed your response! | 17:51 |
| newbooter | you only want that item on one of several multiple desktops, correct? Yes, that is correct. | 17:52 |
| holstein | newbooter: sure.. why? | 17:52 |
| newbooter | So LXDE by default has a desktop 1 and a desktop 2, right? | 17:52 |
| newbooter | I have added 2 more, so I have 4 now. | 17:52 |
| holstein | newbooter: you literally dont have room for the icon on the other desktops? | 17:52 |
| holstein | whats the goal? | 17:52 |
| newbooter | So I would like to have desktop 1 for general stuff, 2 for work/projects, 3 for all kind of Linux lubuntu stuff, so for example have all the settings/configuration/look and feel shortcuts on desktop 3, and not on all the other ones. | 17:53 |
| newbooter | So it's to organize basically. | 17:54 |
| holstein | sure, but you can have icons for that organize, and have them on all desktops, and not break that | 17:54 |
| holstein | you just click on the ones you want on the deskop you want them on | 17:54 |
| holstein | i think the "Easiest" way to get to what you are looking for would be a panel or dock.. get one of those per desktop | 17:55 |
| newbooter | That would become very cluttered. If I have 10 icons for linux stuff, 15 for work stuff, 10 icons for development stuff all on every desktop etc., that's a lot of icons that always show up. Messy. | 17:56 |
| newbooter | Okay panel or dock | 17:56 |
| holstein | newbooter: sure, and i think what you are trying to do, as i said *is* possible, since all of lxde is open | 17:56 |
| holstein | that doesnt mean its easy, or something that others want, or that a developer cares to implement | 17:56 |
| holstein | what i usually say is, lxde is meant to be light and lean first.. so, if its not pretty close (like 90%) of what you want "out of the box", you may want to try something else | 17:57 |
| newbooter | Okay... I understand you could probably develop it to do that. But I was primarily looking at if it is possible with the current one. | 17:57 |
| holstein | or, just build up something custom with openbox, for example.. openbox and your own panels and desktop icon manager | 17:57 |
| holstein | newbooter: *everything*, again, is possible.. the issue is, implementation | 17:58 |
| newbooter | I mean you can also send open applications to a particular deskop, so I was expecting that if I create a shortcut, it would only show up on that desktop. | 17:58 |
| newbooter | Yes I understand that completely. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking an option that already existed. | 17:58 |
| holstein | newbooter: i dont think that is an easy setting in a menu.. i would go for a panel, or dock per screen | 17:59 |
| holstein | something like wbar or plank.. | 17:59 |
| newbooter | Thanks holstein, I will look into panels and docks.! | 17:59 |
| holstein | newbooter: cheers.. | 17:59 |
| newbooter | Would like to make it work with lxde rather than switch... lxde feels really fast and settings are quite logical so far. Also I am on older HW (1GB RAM), so trying to keep it lean. | 18:03 |
| holstein | newbooter: sure.. *any* panel like that will work with any DE | 18:06 |
| holstein | im just saying, mostly folks tweak lxde to the point that its heavier than something else that is made to be more robust and have more features | 18:06 |
| holstein | thats why i mentioned, for example not even using lxde, but, even lighter than that. openbox, with just what fits your needs custom built | 18:07 |
| holstein | your own desktop icon managers in place.. or no desktop icons.. and whatever light panels or docks that deal with what you are trying to implment | 18:07 |
| guest2 | When i want to see the details of updates, why is the text disaphere ? i using 14.04.1 | 18:08 |
| holstein | or, just simply a directory on the desktop called "workspace 1".. where you have the stuff you want to access from workspace one | 18:08 |
| holstein | you add a click, but, you dont add anything that consumes resources | 18:08 |
| holstein | guest2: doesnt here | 18:08 |
| holstein | guest2: you can use the terminal if you prefer... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" | 18:09 |
| guest2 | it is before i start to download updates. but it works ok anyway. | 18:10 |
| newbooter | "or, just simply a directory on the desktop called "workspace 1" ". Tried that earlier, if I create new dir on a desktop, it shows up on all desktops... | 18:10 |
| holstein | newbooter: correct | 18:11 |
| holstein | newbooter: i never meant to imply that its on one.. im simply saying, you have 4 directories.. and that is all.. they will fit, and look neat, and organized | 18:11 |
| holstein | newbooter: and, you dont have to hack anything, or compromise on the lightness of the system by adding a dock or a panel | 18:12 |
| newbooter | Right 4 dirs that show up on all desktops. | 18:12 |
| holstein | correct | 18:12 |
| newbooter | Cleaner I agree. | 18:12 |
| holstein | when on workspace one, you click on the directory containing the workspace 1 items you want.. etc | 18:13 |
| holstein | no doubt, what you are asking for is a "nice" feature for some.. and AFAIK, KDE allows for that easily, with per workspace items.. widgets and launchers | 18:13 |
| newbooter | Ah yes and then it ONLY opens in that particular desktop... better. | 18:13 |
| holstein | there are other ways to add the same functionality to lxde | 18:13 |
| newbooter | Sure but KDE prob too heavy for my 1 GB | 18:14 |
| holstein | the exact same tools, if you wish.. but, that is a compromise | 18:14 |
| newbooter | Looking further into docks/panels for lxde at the moment | 18:14 |
| newbooter | If it's possible in openbox than should be poss to impement in lxde, bc lxde works on top of openbox correct? | 18:15 |
| newbooter | Looking at panels/docks, brb | 18:15 |
| holstein | newbooter: friend.. what you want *is* possible | 18:15 |
| holstein | newbooter: everything is possible.. the issue is, it will add to your light system | 18:15 |
| holstein | what i was saying was, in an *only* openbox system, you are already at a lighter setup than lxde | 18:16 |
| holstein | then, you add something lighter, per workspace, to deal with icons | 18:16 |
| holstein | not adding just the ~/home/Desktop do the desktop, which is what is happening | 18:17 |
| holstein | newbooter: when thunar, or PCman, or whatever you want to use just uses the ~/Desktop director, then, thats all that will be used | 18:17 |
| holstein | but, if you use a different tool per workspace, then, you can likely easily point to whatever directories you like | 18:18 |
| holstein | ~/Desktop/workspace1 ..etc | 18:18 |
| newbooter | Hm let me read that for a mo | 18:18 |
| holstein | i suggest a dock/panel, since, its not pulling from ~/Desktop | 18:19 |
| newbooter | Ok so create a dir /Desktop/worspace1, and have lxde use that as the default desktop folder? Etc.? | 18:19 |
| holstein | newbooter: no | 18:19 |
| holstein | newbooter: then, you are getting the contents of that directory ;) | 18:20 |
| holstein | newbooter: you would need to implement a different tool, and undo the current tool | 18:20 |
| newbooter | oh you mean different dock/widgeting tool? | 18:20 |
| holstein | newbooter: which, again, adds to the resources that lubuntu is current using | 18:20 |
| holstein | newbooter: i mean, a custom desktop icon tool | 18:20 |
| newbooter | oh you mean different dock/widgeting tool per workspace? | 18:20 |
| newbooter | Right | 18:20 |
| holstein | newbooter: correct | 18:20 |
| holstein | now, the goal, for *all* operating systems, basically, is ~/Desktop is just that. on your desktop | 18:21 |
| holstein | you have to change that rather drastically | 18:21 |
| newbooter | Right, prob not the best idea going forward. | 18:21 |
| holstein | KDE uses widgets.. i have seen it done with panels, and docks.. etc | 18:21 |
| holstein | newbooter: well, just think that for me, a directory called "workspace 1" gets me all i want.. and doesnt add any resources, or take time to implement | 18:22 |
| newbooter | Right | 18:22 |
| holstein | its all "baked in" to lxde there | 18:22 |
| holstein | it adds a click, but, it doesnt break anything, and makes things cleaner, anyway | 18:22 |
| newbooter | Hm meanwhile I see that different wallpaper per desktop is possible out of the box with lxde | 18:23 |
| holstein | right, and that is *not* being pulled from ~/Desktop | 18:23 |
| newbooter | Ah from where then? | 18:23 |
| holstein | newbooter: where ever the location of the image is.. | 18:23 |
| holstein | its not depending on ~/Desktop is my only poing | 18:23 |
| newbooter | Or is it more of a "on desktop switch, show that wallpaper" type of thing? | 18:24 |
| holstein | point* | 18:24 |
| holstein | newbooter: its just that.. per workspace wallpaper | 18:24 |
| newbooter | right | 18:24 |
| newbooter | brb | 18:24 |
| newbooter | So I get this message during boot: no caching mode page found | 20:57 |
| newbooter | And some other messages. | 20:57 |
| holstein | newbooter: *great*.. any errors? | 20:57 |
| holstein | any issues? | 20:57 |
| newbooter | Are those normally logged in /var/boot/boot.log ? I can't find them there... different log maybe? | 20:58 |
| holstein | newbooter: if its just a "message", just ignore.. any errors? or issues? | 20:58 |
| newbooter | When boot completes to GUI I get a sytem program problem detected window | 20:58 |
| holstein | newbooter: should be able to complete that with a bug report, and ask not to be promted any more | 20:59 |
| holstein | !bug | 20:59 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 20:59 |
| newbooter | Ok but how can I have a look at the error messages during boot? So I can make sure it's not just a HW error for example of my older laptop? Do I need to enable some extra logging or something? | 21:01 |
| holstein | newbooter: i just test for that | 21:01 |
| holstein | newbooter: i assume i *do* have bad hardware, and test and rule that out | 21:02 |
| newbooter | The system profiler does not show issues... is that the correct way to test hw on lubuntu? | 21:03 |
| holstein | newbooter: i dont use an operating system to test | 21:04 |
| newbooter | The error window detail says: unreportable reason, you have some obsolete package version installed... libpam, libpam-systemd, systemd, udev (some others). | 21:04 |
| holstein | i mean, i will, but i just use whatever tool "best" does the job | 21:04 |
| holstein | i'll use the memtest in the live iso's.. ill run a smart test from a live iso | 21:05 |
| holstein | i'll run bios tests.. trade out cables.. whatever it takes.. | 21:05 |
| holstein | newbooter: if you have "legacy" hardware, and its working, you may just want to disable that report, and accept the compromise of using an operating system from 2014 on that hardware | 21:05 |
| newbooter | Hm makes sense. And the obsolete packages thing? Those seem like they are pretty essential packages? Software updater does not report them as out of date, but if I look in synaptics it shows there is a never version ( for example libpam is on 8.1, newest version is 8.2). Do I upgrade those straight away or wait for software updater to advise updating? | 21:14 |
| holstein | newbooter: i use the terminal.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" | 21:22 |
| newbooter | Ok thanks for your help. | 21:26 |
| newbooter | Interesting to see that software updater does not show it as an update, but boot messages say packages are out of date. Maybe bc difference between ubuntu core and lubuntu? | 21:30 |
| holstein | newbooter: shouldnt be.. though, i would just upgrade, and see if you have any issues.. | 21:31 |
| newbooter | Will do. | 21:31 |
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