=== pat1 is now known as pAt_ === pAt_ is now known as Guest80272 === Guest80272 is now known as pAt__ === DLange_ is now known as DLange === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [09:43] update-grub should detect all OSs on the computer right? [09:43] i have ubuntu installed, now installed gentoo from inside ubuntu to another partition [09:44] when i run boot-update in the ubuntu now, will it detect the gentoo? and i dont have to do anything? [10:21] hm there is not update-grub..is lubuntu using grub2 or grub by default? so i can reinstall update-grub... === Pici is now known as Guest66126 === Guest66126 is now known as Pici [14:58] sf [14:58] oops [14:59] Could anyone tell if it is possible to create a desktop shortcut that only shows on one desktop page when you use multiple desktops? If I create one now it shows up on all pages... [15:00] Is this possible with LXDE? [16:36] newbooter: i dont know what that means, friend [16:36] newbooter: i mean, in FOSS, typically *anything* is possible, but, it will be a matter of conveying what you are looking for to a volunteer in the community to assist you with it, or, implementing it yourself [16:37] i get that you want an item on the desktop, that, im assuming you want to click it to activate an action.. [16:38] you only want that item on one of several multiple desktops, correct? so, you literally *cant* have it on all of them? that is *not* an option? why? [16:38] what is the goal? [17:44] i dont think that why is important for him, just whether its possible with lxde :) [17:51] Sorry holstein I missed your response! [17:52] you only want that item on one of several multiple desktops, correct? Yes, that is correct. [17:52] newbooter: sure.. why? [17:52] So LXDE by default has a desktop 1 and a desktop 2, right? [17:52] I have added 2 more, so I have 4 now. [17:52] newbooter: you literally dont have room for the icon on the other desktops? [17:52] whats the goal? [17:53] So I would like to have desktop 1 for general stuff, 2 for work/projects, 3 for all kind of Linux lubuntu stuff, so for example have all the settings/configuration/look and feel shortcuts on desktop 3, and not on all the other ones. [17:54] So it's to organize basically. [17:54] sure, but you can have icons for that organize, and have them on all desktops, and not break that [17:54] you just click on the ones you want on the deskop you want them on [17:55] i think the "Easiest" way to get to what you are looking for would be a panel or dock.. get one of those per desktop [17:56] That would become very cluttered. If I have 10 icons for linux stuff, 15 for work stuff, 10 icons for development stuff all on every desktop etc., that's a lot of icons that always show up. Messy. [17:56] Okay panel or dock [17:56] newbooter: sure, and i think what you are trying to do, as i said *is* possible, since all of lxde is open [17:56] that doesnt mean its easy, or something that others want, or that a developer cares to implement [17:57] what i usually say is, lxde is meant to be light and lean first.. so, if its not pretty close (like 90%) of what you want "out of the box", you may want to try something else [17:57] Okay... I understand you could probably develop it to do that. But I was primarily looking at if it is possible with the current one. [17:57] or, just build up something custom with openbox, for example.. openbox and your own panels and desktop icon manager [17:58] newbooter: *everything*, again, is possible.. the issue is, implementation [17:58] I mean you can also send open applications to a particular deskop, so I was expecting that if I create a shortcut, it would only show up on that desktop. [17:58] Yes I understand that completely. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking an option that already existed. [17:59] newbooter: i dont think that is an easy setting in a menu.. i would go for a panel, or dock per screen [17:59] something like wbar or plank.. [17:59] Thanks holstein, I will look into panels and docks.! [17:59] newbooter: cheers.. [18:03] Would like to make it work with lxde rather than switch... lxde feels really fast and settings are quite logical so far. Also I am on older HW (1GB RAM), so trying to keep it lean. [18:06] newbooter: sure.. *any* panel like that will work with any DE [18:06] im just saying, mostly folks tweak lxde to the point that its heavier than something else that is made to be more robust and have more features [18:07] thats why i mentioned, for example not even using lxde, but, even lighter than that. openbox, with just what fits your needs custom built [18:07] your own desktop icon managers in place.. or no desktop icons.. and whatever light panels or docks that deal with what you are trying to implment [18:08] When i want to see the details of updates, why is the text disaphere ? i using 14.04.1 [18:08] or, just simply a directory on the desktop called "workspace 1".. where you have the stuff you want to access from workspace one [18:08] you add a click, but, you dont add anything that consumes resources [18:08] guest2: doesnt here [18:09] guest2: you can use the terminal if you prefer... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [18:10] it is before i start to download updates. but it works ok anyway. [18:10] "or, just simply a directory on the desktop called "workspace 1" ". Tried that earlier, if I create new dir on a desktop, it shows up on all desktops... [18:11] newbooter: correct [18:11] newbooter: i never meant to imply that its on one.. im simply saying, you have 4 directories.. and that is all.. they will fit, and look neat, and organized [18:12] newbooter: and, you dont have to hack anything, or compromise on the lightness of the system by adding a dock or a panel [18:12] Right 4 dirs that show up on all desktops. [18:12] correct [18:12] Cleaner I agree. [18:13] when on workspace one, you click on the directory containing the workspace 1 items you want.. etc [18:13] no doubt, what you are asking for is a "nice" feature for some.. and AFAIK, KDE allows for that easily, with per workspace items.. widgets and launchers [18:13] Ah yes and then it ONLY opens in that particular desktop... better. [18:13] there are other ways to add the same functionality to lxde [18:14] Sure but KDE prob too heavy for my 1 GB [18:14] the exact same tools, if you wish.. but, that is a compromise [18:14] Looking further into docks/panels for lxde at the moment [18:15] If it's possible in openbox than should be poss to impement in lxde, bc lxde works on top of openbox correct? [18:15] Looking at panels/docks, brb [18:15] newbooter: friend.. what you want *is* possible [18:15] newbooter: everything is possible.. the issue is, it will add to your light system [18:16] what i was saying was, in an *only* openbox system, you are already at a lighter setup than lxde [18:16] then, you add something lighter, per workspace, to deal with icons [18:17] not adding just the ~/home/Desktop do the desktop, which is what is happening [18:17] newbooter: when thunar, or PCman, or whatever you want to use just uses the ~/Desktop director, then, thats all that will be used [18:18] but, if you use a different tool per workspace, then, you can likely easily point to whatever directories you like [18:18] ~/Desktop/workspace1 ..etc [18:18] Hm let me read that for a mo [18:19] i suggest a dock/panel, since, its not pulling from ~/Desktop [18:19] Ok so create a dir /Desktop/worspace1, and have lxde use that as the default desktop folder? Etc.? [18:19] newbooter: no [18:20] newbooter: then, you are getting the contents of that directory ;) [18:20] newbooter: you would need to implement a different tool, and undo the current tool [18:20] oh you mean different dock/widgeting tool? [18:20] newbooter: which, again, adds to the resources that lubuntu is current using [18:20] newbooter: i mean, a custom desktop icon tool [18:20] oh you mean different dock/widgeting tool per workspace? [18:20] Right [18:20] newbooter: correct [18:21] now, the goal, for *all* operating systems, basically, is ~/Desktop is just that. on your desktop [18:21] you have to change that rather drastically [18:21] Right, prob not the best idea going forward. [18:21] KDE uses widgets.. i have seen it done with panels, and docks.. etc [18:22] newbooter: well, just think that for me, a directory called "workspace 1" gets me all i want.. and doesnt add any resources, or take time to implement [18:22] Right [18:22] its all "baked in" to lxde there [18:22] it adds a click, but, it doesnt break anything, and makes things cleaner, anyway [18:23] Hm meanwhile I see that different wallpaper per desktop is possible out of the box with lxde [18:23] right, and that is *not* being pulled from ~/Desktop [18:23] Ah from where then? [18:23] newbooter: where ever the location of the image is.. [18:23] its not depending on ~/Desktop is my only poing [18:24] Or is it more of a "on desktop switch, show that wallpaper" type of thing? [18:24] point* [18:24] newbooter: its just that.. per workspace wallpaper [18:24] right [18:24] brb [20:57] So I get this message during boot: no caching mode page found [20:57] And some other messages. [20:57] newbooter: *great*.. any errors? [20:57] any issues? [20:58] Are those normally logged in /var/boot/boot.log ? I can't find them there... different log maybe? [20:58] newbooter: if its just a "message", just ignore.. any errors? or issues? [20:58] When boot completes to GUI I get a sytem program problem detected window [20:59] newbooter: should be able to complete that with a bug report, and ask not to be promted any more [20:59] !bug [20:59] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [21:01] Ok but how can I have a look at the error messages during boot? So I can make sure it's not just a HW error for example of my older laptop? Do I need to enable some extra logging or something? [21:01] newbooter: i just test for that [21:02] newbooter: i assume i *do* have bad hardware, and test and rule that out [21:03] The system profiler does not show issues... is that the correct way to test hw on lubuntu? [21:04] newbooter: i dont use an operating system to test [21:04] The error window detail says: unreportable reason, you have some obsolete package version installed... libpam, libpam-systemd, systemd, udev (some others). [21:04] i mean, i will, but i just use whatever tool "best" does the job [21:05] i'll use the memtest in the live iso's.. ill run a smart test from a live iso [21:05] i'll run bios tests.. trade out cables.. whatever it takes.. [21:05] newbooter: if you have "legacy" hardware, and its working, you may just want to disable that report, and accept the compromise of using an operating system from 2014 on that hardware [21:14] Hm makes sense. And the obsolete packages thing? Those seem like they are pretty essential packages? Software updater does not report them as out of date, but if I look in synaptics it shows there is a never version ( for example libpam is on 8.1, newest version is 8.2). Do I upgrade those straight away or wait for software updater to advise updating? [21:22] newbooter: i use the terminal.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [21:26] Ok thanks for your help. [21:30] Interesting to see that software updater does not show it as an update, but boot messages say packages are out of date. Maybe bc difference between ubuntu core and lubuntu? [21:31] newbooter: shouldnt be.. though, i would just upgrade, and see if you have any issues.. [21:31] Will do.