[09:43] <colonolGron> update-grub should detect all OSs on the computer right?
[09:43] <colonolGron> i have ubuntu installed, now installed gentoo from inside ubuntu to another partition
[09:44] <colonolGron> when i run boot-update in the ubuntu now, will it detect the gentoo? and i dont have to do anything?
[10:21] <colonolGron> hm there is not update-grub..is lubuntu using grub2 or grub by default? so i can reinstall update-grub...
[14:58] <newbooter> sf
[14:58] <newbooter> oops
[14:59] <newbooter> Could anyone tell if it is possible to create a desktop shortcut that only shows on one desktop page when you use multiple desktops? If I create one now it shows up on all pages...
[15:00] <newbooter> Is this possible with LXDE?
[16:36] <holstein> newbooter: i dont know what that means, friend
[16:36] <holstein> newbooter: i mean, in FOSS, typically *anything* is possible, but, it will be a matter of conveying what you are looking for to a volunteer in the community to assist you with it, or, implementing it yourself
[16:37] <holstein> i get that you want an item on the desktop, that, im assuming you want to click it to activate an action..
[16:38] <holstein> you only want that item on one of several multiple desktops, correct? so, you literally *cant* have it on all of them? that is *not* an option? why?
[16:38] <holstein> what is the goal?
[17:44] <colonolGron> i dont think that why is important for him, just whether its possible with lxde :)
[17:51] <newbooter> Sorry holstein I missed your response!
[17:52] <newbooter> you only want that item on one of several multiple desktops, correct? Yes, that is correct.
[17:52] <holstein> newbooter: sure.. why?
[17:52] <newbooter> So LXDE by default has a desktop 1 and a desktop 2, right?
[17:52] <newbooter> I have added 2 more, so I have 4 now.
[17:52] <holstein> newbooter: you literally dont have room for the icon on the other desktops?
[17:52] <holstein> whats the goal?
[17:53] <newbooter> So I would like to have desktop 1 for general stuff, 2 for work/projects, 3 for all kind of Linux lubuntu stuff, so for example have all the settings/configuration/look and feel shortcuts on desktop 3, and not on all the other ones.
[17:54] <newbooter> So it's to organize basically.
[17:54] <holstein> sure, but you can have icons for that organize, and have them on all desktops, and not break that
[17:54] <holstein> you just click on the ones you want on the deskop you want them on
[17:55] <holstein> i think the "Easiest" way to get to what you are looking for would be a panel or dock.. get one of those per desktop
[17:56] <newbooter> That would become very cluttered. If I have 10 icons for linux stuff, 15 for work stuff, 10 icons for development stuff all on every desktop etc., that's a lot of icons that always show up. Messy.
[17:56] <newbooter> Okay panel or dock
[17:56] <holstein> newbooter: sure, and i think what you are trying to do, as i said *is* possible, since all of lxde is open
[17:56] <holstein> that doesnt mean its easy, or something that others want, or that a developer cares to implement
[17:57] <holstein> what i usually say is, lxde is meant to be light and lean first.. so, if its not pretty close (like 90%) of what you want "out of the box", you may want to try something else
[17:57] <newbooter> Okay... I understand you could probably develop it to do that. But I was primarily looking at if it is possible with the current one.
[17:57] <holstein> or, just build up something custom with openbox, for example.. openbox and your own panels and desktop icon manager
[17:58] <holstein> newbooter: *everything*, again, is possible.. the issue is, implementation
[17:58] <newbooter> I mean you can also send open applications to a particular deskop, so I was expecting that if I create a shortcut, it would only show up on that desktop.
[17:58] <newbooter> Yes I understand that completely. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking an option that already existed.
[17:59] <holstein> newbooter: i dont think that is an easy setting in a menu.. i would go for a panel, or dock per screen
[17:59] <holstein> something like wbar or plank..
[17:59] <newbooter> Thanks holstein, I will look into panels and docks.!
[17:59] <holstein> newbooter: cheers..
[18:03] <newbooter> Would like to make it work with lxde rather than switch... lxde feels really fast and settings are quite logical so far. Also I am on older HW (1GB RAM), so trying to keep it lean.
[18:06] <holstein> newbooter: sure.. *any* panel like that will work with any DE
[18:06] <holstein> im just saying, mostly folks tweak lxde to the point that its heavier than something else that is made to be more robust and have more features
[18:07] <holstein> thats why i mentioned, for example not even using lxde, but, even lighter than that. openbox, with just what fits your needs custom built
[18:07] <holstein> your own desktop icon managers in place.. or no desktop icons.. and whatever light panels or docks that deal with what you are trying to implment
[18:08] <guest2> When i want to see the details of updates, why is the text disaphere ? i using 14.04.1
[18:08] <holstein> or, just simply a directory on the desktop called "workspace 1".. where you have the stuff you want to access from workspace one
[18:08] <holstein> you add a click, but, you dont add anything that consumes resources
[18:08] <holstein> guest2: doesnt here
[18:09] <holstein> guest2: you can use the terminal if you prefer... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:10] <guest2> it is before i start to download updates. but it works ok anyway.
[18:10] <newbooter> "or, just simply a directory on the desktop called "workspace 1" ". Tried that earlier, if I create new dir on a desktop, it shows up on all desktops...
[18:11] <holstein> newbooter: correct
[18:11] <holstein> newbooter: i never meant to imply that its on one.. im simply saying, you have 4 directories.. and that is all.. they will fit, and look neat, and organized
[18:12] <holstein> newbooter: and, you dont have to hack anything, or compromise on the lightness of the system by adding a dock or a panel
[18:12] <newbooter> Right 4 dirs that show up on all desktops.
[18:12] <holstein> correct
[18:12] <newbooter> Cleaner I agree.
[18:13] <holstein> when on workspace one, you click on the directory containing the workspace 1 items you want.. etc
[18:13] <holstein> no doubt, what you are asking for is a "nice" feature for some.. and AFAIK, KDE allows for that easily, with per workspace items.. widgets and launchers
[18:13] <newbooter> Ah yes and then it ONLY opens in that particular desktop... better.
[18:13] <holstein> there are other ways to add the same functionality to lxde
[18:14] <newbooter> Sure but KDE prob too heavy for my 1 GB
[18:14] <holstein> the exact same tools, if you wish.. but, that is a compromise
[18:14] <newbooter> Looking further into docks/panels for lxde at the moment
[18:15] <newbooter> If it's possible in openbox than should be poss to impement in lxde, bc lxde works on top of openbox correct?
[18:15] <newbooter> Looking at panels/docks, brb
[18:15] <holstein> newbooter: friend.. what you want *is* possible
[18:15] <holstein> newbooter: everything is possible.. the issue is, it will add to your light system
[18:16] <holstein> what i was saying was, in an *only* openbox system, you are already at a lighter setup than lxde
[18:16] <holstein> then, you add something lighter, per workspace, to deal with icons
[18:17] <holstein> not adding just the ~/home/Desktop do the desktop, which is what is happening
[18:17] <holstein> newbooter: when thunar, or PCman, or whatever you want to use just uses the ~/Desktop director, then, thats all that will be used
[18:18] <holstein> but, if you use a different tool per workspace, then, you can likely easily point to whatever directories you like
[18:18] <holstein> ~/Desktop/workspace1 ..etc
[18:18] <newbooter> Hm let me read that for a mo
[18:19] <holstein> i suggest a dock/panel, since, its not pulling from ~/Desktop
[18:19] <newbooter> Ok so create a dir /Desktop/worspace1, and have lxde use that as the default desktop folder? Etc.?
[18:19] <holstein> newbooter: no
[18:20] <holstein> newbooter: then, you are getting the contents of that directory ;)
[18:20] <holstein> newbooter: you would need to implement a different tool, and undo the current tool
[18:20] <newbooter> oh you mean different dock/widgeting tool?
[18:20] <holstein> newbooter: which, again, adds to the resources that lubuntu is current using
[18:20] <holstein> newbooter: i mean, a custom desktop icon tool
[18:20] <newbooter> oh you mean different dock/widgeting tool per workspace?
[18:20] <newbooter> Right
[18:20] <holstein> newbooter: correct
[18:21] <holstein> now, the goal, for *all* operating systems, basically, is ~/Desktop is just that. on your desktop
[18:21] <holstein> you have to change that rather drastically
[18:21] <newbooter> Right, prob not the best idea going forward.
[18:21] <holstein> KDE uses widgets.. i have seen it done with panels, and docks.. etc
[18:22] <holstein> newbooter: well, just think that for me, a directory called "workspace 1" gets me all i want.. and doesnt add any resources, or take time to implement
[18:22] <newbooter> Right
[18:22] <holstein> its all "baked in" to lxde there
[18:22] <holstein> it adds a click, but, it doesnt break anything, and makes things cleaner, anyway
[18:23] <newbooter> Hm meanwhile I see that different wallpaper per desktop is possible out of the box with lxde
[18:23] <holstein> right, and that is *not* being pulled from ~/Desktop
[18:23] <newbooter> Ah from where then?
[18:23] <holstein> newbooter: where ever the location of the image is..
[18:23] <holstein> its not depending on ~/Desktop is my only poing
[18:24] <newbooter> Or is it more of a "on desktop switch, show that wallpaper" type of thing?
[18:24] <holstein> point*
[18:24] <holstein> newbooter: its just that.. per workspace wallpaper
[18:24] <newbooter> right
[18:24] <newbooter> brb
[20:57] <newbooter> So I get this message during boot: no caching mode page found
[20:57] <newbooter> And some other messages.
[20:57] <holstein> newbooter: *great*.. any errors?
[20:57] <holstein> any issues?
[20:58] <newbooter> Are those normally logged in /var/boot/boot.log ? I can't find them there... different log maybe?
[20:58] <holstein> newbooter: if its just a "message", just ignore.. any errors? or issues?
[20:58] <newbooter> When boot completes to GUI I get a sytem program problem detected window
[20:59] <holstein> newbooter: should be able to complete that with a bug report, and ask not to be promted any more
[20:59] <holstein> !bug
[21:01] <newbooter> Ok but how can I have a look at the error messages during boot? So I can make sure it's not just a HW error for example of my older laptop? Do I need to enable some extra logging or something?
[21:01] <holstein> newbooter: i just test for that
[21:02] <holstein> newbooter: i assume i *do* have bad hardware, and test and rule that out
[21:03] <newbooter> The system profiler does not show issues... is that the correct way to test hw on lubuntu?
[21:04] <holstein> newbooter: i dont use an operating system to test
[21:04] <newbooter> The error window detail says: unreportable reason, you have some obsolete package version installed... libpam, libpam-systemd, systemd, udev (some others).
[21:04] <holstein> i mean, i will, but i just use whatever tool "best" does the job
[21:05] <holstein> i'll use the memtest in the live iso's.. ill run a smart test from a live iso
[21:05] <holstein> i'll run bios tests.. trade out cables.. whatever it takes..
[21:05] <holstein> newbooter: if you have "legacy" hardware, and its working, you may just want to disable that report, and accept the compromise of using an operating system from 2014 on that hardware
[21:14] <newbooter> Hm makes sense. And the obsolete packages thing? Those seem like they are pretty essential packages? Software updater does not report them as out of date, but if I look in synaptics it shows there is a never version ( for example libpam is on 8.1, newest version is 8.2). Do I upgrade those straight away or wait for software updater to advise updating?
[21:22] <holstein> newbooter: i use the terminal.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:26] <newbooter> Ok thanks for your help.
[21:30] <newbooter> Interesting to see that software updater does not show it as an update, but boot messages say packages are out of date. Maybe bc difference between ubuntu core and lubuntu?
[21:31] <holstein> newbooter: shouldnt be.. though, i would just upgrade, and see if you have any issues..
[21:31] <newbooter> Will do.