[00:17] <m0nkey_> Any of you lot got experiencing installing Ubuntu as the sole OS on a MacBook? Want to be done with OSX. Any way to make it boot purely in BIOS mode?
[00:18] <daftykins> i think it has limitations on that front
[00:18] <daftykins> i heard talk you need there to be an HFS+ partition regardless
[00:19] <daftykins> is it new enough to be running 10.7+ ?
[00:19] <m0nkey_> Yeah
[00:19] <m0nkey_> It's a mid-2012 MBA. Was running OSX10.10, downgraded that crap back to 10.9
[00:20] <daftykins> heh
[00:21] <daftykins> can you pick between booting ubuntu media starting up in EFI or legacy mode from just holding option after the chime? i don't think i've tried both modes
[00:21] <daftykins> (got an ancient late 2007 white macbook here i got given)
[00:21] <m0nkey_> that works.. rEFInd gives me a better boot loader
[00:22] <daftykins> i'm thinking natively with none of this third party tosh :>
[00:22] <m0nkey_> that's what i'd prefer
[00:22] <diddledan> m0nkey_: you can bless a legacy boot
[00:23] <daftykins> so i don't know 100% but i was under the impression if a disk in a mac is totally blank, you'll just get the EFI crying and displaying that sad mac image (or whatever modern ones do) - so you need at least the OS X recovery partition at the start still perhaps?
[00:23] <m0nkey_> with the latest EFI firmware? already tried blessing my Ubuntu boot partition.. no dice
[00:24] <daftykins> when i dualbooted this macbook, all i had to do was resize the OS X HFS+ volume, boot media from the post chime menu then pick install alongside - is it harder on newer models?
[00:24] <diddledan> bless --device /dev/disk0s2 --setBoot --legacy
[00:24] <m0nkey_> diddledan, does the disk need to be MBR or GUID?
[00:25] <diddledan> I'd personally use efi boot ubuntu tho
[00:25] <diddledan> the disk should already have a protective mbr if you've installed in legacy mode
[00:30] <daftykins> what does bless do 0o set some kinda secret variable the mac EFI likes? :>
[00:30] <diddledan> bless is the utility which sets the firmware's default boot item
[00:32] <diddledan> if you call it in a specific way it'll also modify the boot device's filesystem (needs to be hfs+) so that settings survive moving the filesystem to a different system or if the firmware forgets
[00:33] <m0nkey_> this sounds more like a weekend project than a half asleep at 7:30pm project
[00:33] <diddledan> :-)
[00:34] <daftykins> totally.
[00:35] <daftykins> i hope you'll pick LTS as well so that you won't be back here doing it again so soon ;)
[00:51] <diddledan> blender institute want to make a full-length feature: http://gooseberry.blender.org
[00:51] <diddledan> they're working on a 15minute pilot atm
[00:52] <daftykins> bed for me
[00:52] <daftykins> g'night all \o
[04:14] <Welshman> Hi to anyone who lives in the UK especially Scotland + Wales. Also I do have a question concerning Ubuntu and free alternative OSs in general.
[04:16] <Welshman> Would anyone like to say "Hi" to me so that I can ask my question, please?
[04:18] <Welshman> OK. Does anyone think that I should visit another "Ubuntu" or "free alternative OS" chat room instead?
[04:19] <Welshman> mjayk: Hi.
[04:20] <Welshman> OK. Thanks + bye to all.
[05:38] <diddledan> err
[07:27] <mapito> jedus  christ#
[07:27] <mapito> :(
[07:28] <mapito> im gonna die arent i?
[07:28] <mapito> smoking 20 a day
[07:28] <mapito> drinkng too aint helping
[07:29]  * diddledan cuddles mapito 
[08:15]  * knightwise is off to clean out the basement (Part III of a trilogy I hope)
[08:20] <mapito> hey diddledan
[08:20] <mapito> anther day another itre of vodka done
[08:20] <mapito> :d
[08:44] <diddledan> "the fall" with gillian anderson is awesome
[08:45] <diddledan> just finished a binge-watch of season1
[08:51] <mapito> y
[08:52] <mapito> seen it idnt enjoy
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> I just told my ISP to upgrade me
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> to 500/500mbit
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> *zooom* *zoooooom*
[09:11] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: quit rubbing our noses in your broadband superhighway
[09:19] <mapito> m
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: nope :)
[10:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:12] <MooDoo> hello all
[12:30] <popey> yo
[12:30] <popey> oh.
[12:38] <SuperEngineer> doh!
[16:22] <diddledan> who remembers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Highway
[16:23] <ali1234> i do
[16:23] <ali1234> it was crap, like every single other thing BT have ever done with the internet
[16:26] <diddledan> I never had it personally tho I wished for it at times "double my modem rate? wow!"
[16:28] <ali1234> sure, for 5x the price
[16:28] <diddledan> aye
[16:45]  * SuperEngineer searches repos for "how to feel warm without spending all your money" downloadable - nope, no joy.  Darn!
[16:46] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: is that a heating issue or an "ooh shiny" issue?
[16:47] <ali1234> https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer
[16:47] <ali1234> !info cgminer
[16:51] <ali1234> right now it's about 1% cheaper than using an electric heater :)
[16:55] <the_butler> irc.rizon.net
[16:56] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, it's an "hmmm, salad or pie for meal tonight" issue - I think you guess the answer ;)
[18:42] <Azelphur> ali1234, here's a fun question, threes new tethering detection. I can ping -t 63 from the phone, but I can't ping -t 65 from the laptop. what on earth could they be using to detect that?
[18:47] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:01] <ali1234> Azelphur: the metric of each hop is not necessarily 1
[19:11] <Azelphur> ali1234, good point I suppose
[19:12] <Azelphur> ali1234,  phone works with ping -c 63, 62, 61 though
[19:13] <ali1234> the metric can be anything
[19:13] <ali1234> it could be 256
[19:13] <ali1234> or it could have nothing to do with the metric
[19:13] <ali1234> it could be the MTU
[19:13] <Azelphur> oO, the MTU. Interesting
[19:15] <Azelphur> looks like android is 1400 and laptop is 1500
[19:15] <ali1234> that will be it then
[19:15]  * Azelphur gives that a go
[19:23] <Azelphur> ali1234, nope, no luck :<
[19:23] <Azelphur> DNS works, but I assume that's because my phone is the DNS server
[19:23] <ali1234> why not just look at the packets?
[19:24] <Azelphur> ali1234, does Android have tcpdump?
[19:25] <ali1234> no idea
[19:25] <Azelphur> guess I shall research further, I suppose at the very least I could use some packet dumps to confirm the TTLs are correct
[19:25] <ali1234> most likely it's related to ip_conntrack somehow
[19:26] <ali1234> you should research how ping actually works with NAT
[19:27] <Azelphur> well it's not just ping, no traffic is getting through for whatever reason
[19:27] <Azelphur> I'd think it would be TTL, but apparently it isn't
[19:27] <ali1234> ping is just ICMP
[19:27] <Azelphur> yea I know :)
[19:29] <penguin42> Azelphur: I thought there were various options and newer androids default was making it easier to detect
[19:30] <penguin42> Azelphur: also, see section 4 in http://conferences2.sigcomm.org/imc/2014/papers/p173.pdf
[19:31] <penguin42> which are rather cunning
[19:35] <penguin42> I keep meaning to make some notes on how to set up ssh port forwarding + tethering only to the phone to do the tunneling via ssh on the phone
[19:39] <Azelphur> penguin42, that's a good idea, I bet that'd work.
[19:39] <Azelphur> maybe even a VPN server on the phone
[19:42] <penguin42> Azelphur: Right, the easiest way is ssh from the phone, connectbot can set up a SOCKS proxy or a simple port forward - which is the simplest way; but you'll need to get all the routing right to stop the host actually trying to route normally down the USB