[05:48] <Marseille> Q: does alsa_pcm show up in qjacktl if libasound2 ... or is it suppose to be gone?
[05:49] <holstein> Marseille: i'll see outputs there labeled as such
[05:50] <Marseille> I don't have an alsa_pcm showing, but guidessay it will appear with alsa-plugins installed. I have libasound2 only... on 14.04
[05:50] <holstein> Marseille: the plugins should just show theselves
[05:50] <holstein> not a larger alsa bus type of thing
[05:50] <holstein> you should see physical connections to your audio device.. in and out
[05:51] <holstein> then, you'll see applications there.. plugins.. the ins and outs
[05:51] <holstein> you could, for example, plug a guitar into the audio device, you would see that in the audio devices inputs in jack, and open guitarix, or rakkarack, and see how to route the guitar into that, live, then, back out to your audio device
[05:52] <holstein> it wont say 'guitar', or 'alsa rack effects'.. the plugins should just show up routable
[05:52] <Marseille> For some reason, I can't connect my mixer to Jackd. In patchage it's separated (and color-coded in green) from Jackd (blue). I try to connect and it won't do it.
[05:53] <Marseille> I have an old Edirol UA-700.
[05:53] <holstein> Marseille: if jack is running, then its running.. you dont connect things to jackd. you use it  to connect things together
[05:53] <Marseille> I tried to connect it to ardour.
[05:54] <holstein> i would use the internal audio device til you are used to using jack
[05:54] <holstein> and dont start with something large like ardour, either
[05:54] <Marseille> That's not the issue.
[05:54] <Marseille> It's never done this before.
[05:54] <holstein> i would use the internal audio device, and route something simple, like yoshimi, see that you have audio
[05:54] <Marseille> I do.
[05:55] <holstein> i would use qjackctl to confirm the connections
[05:57] <Marseille> the mixer shows as an alsa device... but in older version of ubuntustudio it used portaudio. Now it just connects and I can record the mic with Audacity and monitor (in general). But patchage shows that it's stuck on port audio.
[05:57] <Marseille> But pulse doesn't seem to let go.
[05:58] <holstein> Marseille: you can still use portaudio if you want, but, its not by default
[05:58] <holstein> Marseille: pulse is made to still be runing
[05:58] <holstein> running*
[05:58] <holstein> Marseille: if you want to disable the pulse dbus, you can
[05:58] <Marseille> So then if I kill pulse and restart jack, then I can use the mixer with ardour?
[05:59] <holstein> Marseille: why kill pulse? its runing intentionally
[05:59] <holstein> Marseille: its made to be running.. if you dont want the dbus disable it
[05:59] <holstein> Marseille: you can disable it in the "misc" tab of "setup" in qjackctl
[05:59] <holstein> you'll see "jack dbus". you can untick that box, and restart jack
[05:59] <Marseille> Is it normal for a mixer to *not* show up in the audio tab of connections?
[06:00] <holstein> Marseille: please start more simply
[06:00] <holstein> Marseille: please open qjackctl, and start jack, and see that it is running
[06:00] <Marseille> It's running.
[06:00] <holstein> then, open something simple like yoshimi, and check qjackctl and see that the audio tab has the audio device you are using and yoshimi showing
[06:01] <holstein> make the connetions, for the audio from yoshimi to go to the audio device you are using
[06:01] <holstein> then, go to yoshimi, and in the menu, open the virtual keyboard, andsee that the audio is routed and playing through the device via JACK
[06:02] <holstein> if so, then, yes, any mixer you start that is "jack aware" will show in the menu there, and allow you to connect it in jack
[06:02] <holstein> "alsa plugins" may just be for alsa, and not jack, and may not show up here
[06:03] <Marseille> It's the same. The edirol shows up in the alsa tab.
[06:03] <holstein> Marseille: the *audio* tab is what i stated
[06:03] <Marseille> Still nothing.
[06:03] <holstein> thats just the midi connection
[06:03] <holstein> Marseille: the midi connection is *not* what im talking about
[06:03] <Marseille> yep. that's the problem.
[06:03] <Marseille> I want it to show in audio but it's not.
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: thats why i suggested to *please* unplug the edirol, and get jack running on the internal audio device, and get yoshimi playing audio
[06:04] <Marseille> ok
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: sure, that means, you are *not* configuring jack properly to use the edirol
[06:04] <Marseille> yep
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: the alsa label change, and you can need to define that for *each* reboot.. the labels can change
[06:04] <holstein> Marseille: thats why i suggest, first, get jack running.. actually playing audio
[06:05] <Marseille> so before i turn on the mixer fire up jack, the application and then plug it in?
[06:05] <holstein> Marseille: no
[06:07] <holstein> Marseille: before you do anything, unplug all other audio devices.. open qjackctl, and get jack running on the internal audio device,a nd open yoshimi, andmake the audio connections in the connect tab in qjackctl, then go to the menu of yoshimi, and use the virtualkeyboard to create sound.. see that you get sound
[06:07] <holstein> then, move on to explaining what mixer you are trying to use where
[06:07] <Marseille> ok i'm at the point where i just opened yoshimi...
[06:08] <holstein> great!.. just keep going til you hear audio. through jack. otherwise, jack is not working
[06:09] <Marseille> In the audio tab I have a choice to connect yoshimi to pulseaudio jack source or system. which is the right one to choose?
[06:10] <holstein> Marseille: pulse is the pulse audio dbus that i explained how to disable
[06:10] <holstein> Marseille: thats for the pulse audio dbus. *not* your audio device
[06:11] <Marseille> ok so leave it alone.
[06:11] <Marseille> btw thank-you so much for helping me:D
[06:11] <holstein> Marseille: it literally doesnt hurt to hook things up and see what is what
[06:11] <holstein> the labels can be wrong, or just bad
[06:11] <holstein> its just alsa guessing at a name..
[06:11] <Marseille> I've read for 4 days, and a lot of it is muddled but I left dbus checked after I read about it at pulseaudio.
[06:12] <holstein> Marseille: if you want it, use it.. if you dont, don
[06:12] <holstein> dont*
[06:13] <holstein> its just for routing pulse audio sources.. such as, if you wanted skype to work with jack
[06:13] <holstein> if you dont need it, disable it
[06:13] <Marseille> I like it so I can still surf.
[06:13] <holstein> Marseille: i dont, so i disable it
[06:13] <Marseille> ok.
[06:13] <holstein> i dont want my audio production machine online at all
[06:13] <holstein> but, if you do, enjoy it..
[06:13] <holstein> if you feel its causing an issue, test with it off
[06:15] <Marseille> Everything was working great all week long until I plugged in the mixer
[06:15] <Marseille> I just upgraded to 14.04
[06:16] <holstein> Marseille: what mixer?
[06:16] <Marseille> I have an Edirol UA700
[06:16] <holstein> Marseille: something broke? then, you upgraded?
[06:16] <Marseille> No just hated 12.04
[06:16] <holstein> Marseille: 14.04 is "More of the same".. just newer
[06:16] <Marseille> I've ran ubuntustudio since Fiesty Fawn. But I never got pulseaudio down.
[06:16] <holstein> but please, just unplug the "Mixer" and get jack working
[06:17] <holstein> then, move to plugging the mixer in and configuring it to use jack
[06:17] <Marseille> The last few distros had a lot of sound distortion. It's gone now.
[06:17] <Marseille> So there has been a massive improvement with 14.04. But now I have to relearn the mixer settings ... I'm dusting it off.
[06:18] <holstein> Marseille: what mixer?
[06:18] <holstein> Marseille: when you say "i have to relearn the mixer settings". you mean, you have to learn to configure jack to use the edirol?
[06:18] <Marseille> all over again.
[06:18] <Marseille> that's why I'm here.
[06:18] <holstein> what i suggest is, disble the internal audio interface, then, jack will *only* see the usb device,a nd it will be default
[06:19] <holstein> otherwise, the labels, as i said, can change
[06:20] <Marseille> I unplugged the edirol earlier. It's still not plugged in.
[06:20] <holstein> sure, im talking about in the long run
[06:20] <holstein> if you only have the one audio device, then it will be the default
[06:20] <Marseille> I have a midi keyboard too.
[06:20] <Marseille> It lost the connection.
[06:20] <holstein> Marseille: sure, and *dont* add that to the mix here yet
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: no need to
[06:21] <Marseille> LOL ok.
[06:21] <Marseille> it takes a degree to master this:D
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: you have not reported getting audio working *ever* from jack yet
[06:21] <Marseille> not since I unplugged the edirol.
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: you didnt have it with the edirol
[06:21] <Marseille> I did.
[06:21] <holstein> Marseille: so, thats *never*.. the edirol was not working with 14.04
[06:22] <Marseille> the sound was just not outputting to jackd.
[06:22] <holstein> Marseille: as i said, JACK has never worked on your system
[06:22] <holstein> Marseille: it snot a big deal, its just something to note, since you are tring to get jack working
[06:23] <Marseille> I had it down yesterday.
[06:23] <holstein> Marseille: and, as i said, the labels change
[06:23] <Marseille> some of them disappeared.
[06:23] <holstein> if it were 'all down' yesterday, then, the labels changed for alsa, that can break the config you were using
[06:23] <holstein> Marseille: no. there is no" them".. just the one device
[06:23] <Marseille> I think I have to go into the patchbay and reconnect.
[06:24] <holstein> Marseille: i really dont think so
[06:24] <Marseille> the default is kinda messed up now.
[06:24] <holstein> ,Marseille sure, so boot the live iso, and see that the defaults work
[06:24] <Marseille> the midi keyboard no longer shows in midi settings.
[06:24] <holstein> Marseille: please dont reference or plugin the midi keyboard til you have audio working
[06:24] <holstein> Marseille: there is no need to
[06:24] <Marseille> there's no audio.
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: you *dont* have jack working
[06:25] <Marseille> so now what?
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: correct!.. so, why are you fiddling with a midi keyboard?
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: if yo udont have audio, you wont get any midi audio
[06:25] <Marseille> I'm not. I'm trying to get yoshimi to give some sound.
[06:25] <Marseille> like you said.
[06:25] <holstein> audio is a prerequisite to midi
[06:25] <Marseille> sure
[06:25] <holstein> Marseille: sure, and like i said, use the virutal keyboard from the menu.. not your midi keyboard
[06:26] <holstein> dont throw another variable in
[06:26] <Marseille> ok working.
[06:26] <Marseille> sound is there.
[06:26] <holstein> *great*!
[06:26] <holstein> so, now, what i would do, is.. reboot my machine, and disable my internal audio device, so i *only* have the edirol to choose
[06:26] <holstein> then, i would do the same, only this time, with the  edirol..
[06:27] <holstein> i would get yoshimi making audio through jack through the edirol
[06:27] <Marseille> so plug in the edirol?
[06:27] <holstein> *then*, move to testing the midi keyboard through yoshimi through jack through the edirol
[06:27] <Marseille> ok
[06:27] <holstein> Marseille: what i said was, disable the internal audio device in the bios
[06:27] <holstein> *then* use the edirol
[06:27] <holstein> Marseille: you do what you like, but, the labels jump
[06:28] <Marseille> i've never disabled the internal device before.
[06:28] <Marseille> how do i do that?
[06:28] <holstein> Marseille: i do is, as i said, in the bios
[06:28] <Marseille> oh lord.
[06:28] <holstein> i literally dont care if you do, its just makes it simpler
[06:28] <holstein> and i have a feeling, your issue is, as i said, the labels changing
[06:29] <holstein> you look in jack for the mixer, and its gone, becuase, the labels jumped, and you are looking at the internal audio device, that im suggesting you disable, instead of the edirol
[06:31] <holstein> i only mention it because its a common issue, and i see it happen all the time
[06:31] <Marseille> ok so if i do that and let's say i surf... then i have to keep the mixer on?
[06:31] <Marseille> assuming i don't reenable the sound in bios?
[06:32] <holstein> Marseille: if you are asking me, if you dont have an audio device, if you'll have audio.. no.. if you have no audio device, you will have no audio
[06:32] <holstein> so, if you want to use the internal audio device, keep it on
[06:32] <holstein> just know that, what is likely happening is, as i said, the labels change
[06:33] <holstein> you powered up the machine, and just started jack, and it was using the internal device rather than the edirol. you didnt see what you were expecting from the edirol
[06:33] <Marseille> the why did it show up under alsa?
[06:34] <Marseille> but not audio?
[06:34] <holstein> Marseille: it'll show up there when jack is not running, as i said
[06:34] <holstein> thats just midi connections
[06:34] <Marseille> ok
[06:34] <holstein> Marseille: alsa is running when jack isnt
[06:34] <Marseille> that's exactly what it was showing... midi.
[06:34] <holstein> yup
[06:35] <Marseille> ok so let me try what you suggest. You've spent so much time with me, and I'm very grateful;)
[06:35] <holstein> Marseille: sure... thats what we are here for
[06:35] <Marseille> It's always fun to speak with audio folks.
[06:36] <holstein> Marseille: im about to crash, though. use #opensourcemusicians if its dead in here
[06:36] <holstein> thats a nice community, regardless..
[06:36] <Marseille> fabulous! it's so hard to get a hold of someone in forum. I finally gave up and came here.
[06:36] <Marseille> Thank-you Holstein!
[06:37] <Marseille> I'm logging out now. Rest easy!
[08:34] <Guest32821> hi
[08:36] <Guest32821> I need help
[20:57] <aldo> I have being unabled to update ubuntu studio since mid december ¿anybody has the same problem?
[20:59] <aldo> the error I get is: "Imposible to obtain http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/Release"