[00:39] <newbooter> Hi holstein
[00:50] <newbooter> Just noticed Zeitgeist is enabled in autostart on lubuntu... anyone know why? AFAIK it is used by unity, so it doesn't apply to  lubuntu? Or does it have some use in lubuntu?
[00:50] <newbooter> I disabled it just now.
[00:53] <Unit193> It's used by many different applications.  Just because unity happens to use it doesn't mean it's part of Unity.  Feel free to disable it though, it shouldn't really restrict much functionality (I don't have it.)
[01:18] <newbooter> Hm just reading up on zeitgeist. It logs a LOT of stuff. Websites you visit, chat, email... and makes it available to other apps.
[01:18] <Unit193> Things like synapse use it.
[01:19] <Unit193> But as I said, most things have no requirement.
[01:25] <newbooter> Yeah I see the idea behind it in principle... relevancy engine. But that is potentially a lot personal info being logged and potentially shared with apps without me knowing about it until I happened to look to my autostart list... hm. Trying to look up what the security risk angle is... must be on quite a few systems if Ubuntu uses it.
[01:28] <newbooter> Found this article: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/is-zeitgeist-spying-on-you
[01:36] <newbooter> Hm I wonder if this is enabled by default on a new lubuntu install? Or if it was enabled by software I installed later.
[01:36] <dust> is on by default imho
[01:37] <dust> and as u did read in the articel... a lot of idiotic programmers who dont care about security
[01:38] <Unit193> dust: zeitgeist/zeitgeist-core isn't installed by default, no matter what your opinion on the matter is.
[01:39] <dust> cool so with which crap does it get installed
[01:39] <Unit193> Check rdepends, and it does have a use.  If you dislike it so much, please just uninstall it rather than complaining, it's pretty simple.
[01:44] <dust> gedit... ah nice
[01:45] <Unit193> Ever looked at mousepad or scite?
[01:50] <newbooter> Hm article points out that lot of the stuff is already in local logs anyway...
[01:51] <newbooter> Not that that is a good reason to not secure something like zeitgeist...
[01:53] <newbooter> So in theory, could application x or y look at, for example, browser logs on a unix system? Or would it have to gain some extra permission first?
[01:58] <newbooter> Or is the idea to only get apps from trusted repo's and trust that repo checks that apps don't do that kind of stuff?
[02:22] <dust> forget that about trusted repos... they dont check anything
[02:26] <dust> the apps run with ur permissions... that means to upload all into the internet and then delete all
[02:28] <dust> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/scary_code_of_the_week_steam_cleans_linux_pcs/
[02:29] <dust> and stuff like selinux isnt installed and configured... as for a gui for it...
[02:39] <ianorlin> well steam is in multiverse which means it is proprietary and not sure if the liscensing would allow them to fix it
[06:00] <Kamilion> Anybody got any ideas why tail -f isn't following a log file in 14.04 or 14.10?
[06:01] <Kamilion> I asked in #ubuntu but just got run around.
[06:01] <holstein> not implemeted properly? a bug? nothing happening in the log file? log file location is different...
[06:01] <holstein> whats the goal?
[06:02] <Kamilion> I'm getting attacked via SSH right now. while debugging, I note that tail -f is not following. I turned password auth off. Dope in #ubuntu tells me to turn it back on 'for debugging'.
[06:02] <holstein> if you are getting attacked, realistically, anything could be changed
[06:02] <Kamilion> still no help with tail -f not updating.
[06:03] <Kamilion> I was trying to keep an eye on /var/log/auth.log
[06:03] <holstein> could be, an attack that targeted breaking that, so, you cant "keep an eye" on anything
[06:03] <Kamilion> ...
[06:03] <Kamilion> Okay, one second.
[06:03] <Kamilion> I'll reboot the machine so it reloads from the .ISO
[06:03] <holstein> Kamilion: what iso?
[06:04] <Kamilion> and just to be safe, I'll leave it powered off for thirty seconds to let the ram and capacitors clear.
[06:04] <Kamilion> lubuntu 14.10
[06:04] <Kamilion> 64bit
[06:05] <holstein> and, you setup an ssh server on the live iso? and put it outside the firewall?
[06:05] <Kamilion> 7de5b9617de27ef7bbce4b7566e5405a1c20e7e4826433acf120b93ac4b2f2a5
[06:05] <holstein> !md5
[06:05] <holstein> i dont keep those memorized..
[06:05] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/
[06:06] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/SHA256SUMS
[06:06] <holstein> sure.. i understand you are saying you are using a live iso. how?
[06:06] <holstein> you are setting up the ssh server each time?
[06:06] <Kamilion> booting from a USB stick? How else?
[06:06] <Kamilion> yes.
[06:06] <holstein> Kamilion: why?
[06:06] <Kamilion> and copying the host keys in place.
[06:06] <Kamilion> because I can.
[06:06] <Kamilion> Now are you going to help me debug tail -f on release media or not?
[06:06] <holstein> sure, but, you are also expecting more of a system
[06:06] <Kamilion> cause if not, I'm not going to bother
[06:07] <holstein> Kamilion: im *already* helping you, friend
[06:07] <Kamilion> I've been through these goose chases here before ._.
[06:07] <Kamilion> okay, fine, y'know what
[06:07] <Kamilion> there
[06:07] <holstein> Kamilion: i have no intention of chasing anything.. its just a volunteer channel, friend
[06:07] <holstein> Kamilion: this is not tech support
[06:07] <Kamilion> now I'm trying to follow /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:07] <holstein> i think you'll get the "best" help when you install the OS, and try the main channel
[06:07] <Kamilion> okay?
[06:08] <holstein> Kamilion: you are running older software..
[06:08] <Kamilion> OKAY, EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO DOWNLOAD THE 15.04 DAILY ISO AND TEST THERE.
[06:08] <holstein> and its live..im not saying thats why you are not getting tail to work, but, thats why i wouldnt use ssh server like that
[06:08] <holstein> !15.04
[06:08] <holstein> !caps
[06:08] <holstein> Kamilion: no need to caps at me
[06:08] <Kamilion> I don't care about the fuckin ssh server. I care that TAIL IS NOT WORKING. If this is the first you've heard of it, I'll go ask elsewhere.
[06:09] <holstein> Kamilion: im not suggesting you run 15.04, or unsupported code.. just that, you dont have updates applied, and i would want them
[06:09] <holstein> !language
[06:09] <Kamilion> I do have updates applied.
[06:09] <holstein> Kamilion: not in the live iso..
[06:09] <holstein> it'll be a snapshot.
[06:09] <Kamilion> I ran apt-get update. I have plenty of ram.
[06:10] <holstein> cool.. i would, and suggest that you install
[06:10] <Kamilion> and TORAM=yes is on.
[06:10] <Kamilion> There's no media in the machine to install on.
[06:10] <Kamilion> hence why it's running on a livecd right now
[06:10] <Kamilion> and why openssh is installed on it so I can make the freaking IPMI work.
[06:10] <holstein> Kamilion: cool.. good luck..
[06:10] <Kamilion> without having to walk over to the stupid thing every time
[06:11] <holstein> im not interested in volunteering anymore, and i need to go to sleep. you can try a general linux channel.. cheers!
[06:12] <Kamilion> Thanks.
[06:15] <Kamilion> I'll just use watch -n 1 cat filename then.
[06:15] <holstein> sounds great!
[06:15] <holstein> !bug
[06:16] <holstein> if you want to file about tail..
[06:16] <Kamilion> no point
[06:16] <Kamilion> every bug I've ever filed with ubuntu has been ignored
[06:16] <Kamilion> I have to go upstream to debian to get any traction
[06:16] <holstein> again, *great*!.. good night, then
[06:16] <holstein> Kamilion: debian is *upstream*
[06:16] <Kamilion> no shit debian is upstream.
[06:16] <wxl> holstein: if you want to go, go, man, go. :)
[06:16] <holstein> you can file there, if you like
[06:17] <holstein> Kamilion: please do watch the language.. thanks
[06:17] <Kamilion> I'd ask you to do the same. False courtesy is no courtesy at all. In fact, it's merely fueling further rage.
[06:18] <Kamilion> And on that note, I'm off.
[06:18] <holstein> Kamilion: sure.. try and keep in mind, again, we are just volunteers. that may help you with your rage coming into the channel
[06:18] <Kamilion> Yeah, I know.
[06:31] <Kamilion> someone in #debian pointed me in the right direction, it appears to be a limitation in overlayfs.
[06:33] <Kamilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/882147
[06:36] <Kamilion> and fixed with the undocumented commandline option ---disable-inotify
[06:36] <Kamilion> tail ---disable-inotify -f /var/log/auth.log
[15:14] <mike> lubuntu help here?
[15:14] <Guest66861> nick /mike
[17:56] <slimani> hi
[17:56] <slimani> i need help
[17:57] <slimani> ant one ehere
[17:58] <slimani> hi
[18:39] <Chelsea_Jurgens> Hi, can anyone suggest a backup system for lubuntu using as a home computer
[18:43] <Mr_Comet> backup system?
[18:43] <Mr_Comet> im sorry, but what do you mean by that
[18:45] <Chelsea_Jurgens> in case of emergency and i lose data, what is the best way to recover from that? backup your files
[19:04] <Mr_Comet> good question.
[19:04] <Mr_Comet> i never have all my data in 1 partition.
[19:04] <Mr_Comet> c drive for os
[19:04] <Mr_Comet> d drive for data
[19:05] <Mr_Comet> at least thats how i do my backup
[19:05] <Mr_Comet> and i also have a usb harddisk
[19:08] <Chelsea_Jurgens> ahh ok, is there a program you use?
[19:12] <testdr> Chelsea_Jurgens: maybe "fsarchiver" to store whole partitions for a later restore (and there are more - depends what data needs to be backuped -- i prefer old rsync, because i only backup special user-data)
[19:14] <Chelsea_Jurgens> is there a way to backup the whole system, like in windows?