[10:45] <Riddell> anyone able to say why kate/kate4 konsole/konsole4 transition isn't going into release? the packages are moving to kf5 but I've made packages for the old kde4 versions that retain the plugins that various bits use
[10:55] <Laney> Riddell: Seems like an easy hint would work
[10:55] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9784066/
[11:01] <Riddell> Laney: oh? what does that mean?
[11:01] <Laney> It means please consider these packages together
[11:04] <Riddell> Laney: so I just add "easy kate/4:14.12.0-0ubuntu2 kate4/4:4.14.3-0ubuntu4" to my hints file?
[11:05]  * Riddell makes it so
[11:06] <Laney> For example konsole4 Breaks old konsole, so you need to upgrade konsole at the same time or anything that depends on it will become uninstallable
[11:06] <Laney> so you need to tell britney to update them both in the same transaction
[11:06] <Laney> Riddell: and one for konsole too, yes
[11:27] <tseliot> Riddell: hi, can you reject my nvidia-graphics-drivers-346 and nvidia-graphics-drivers-346-updates (in vivid NEW) please? I'd like to upload a new upstream release and to add some fixes
[11:34] <Riddell> ok
[11:35] <Riddell> tseliot: ↑
[11:35] <tseliot> Riddell: thanks a lot
[12:31] <mlankhorst> could llvm-toolchain-3.5 in trusty NEW get accepted?
[15:45] <xnox> stuck in debian's new queue for experimental, hence direct upload to ubuntu instead of via debian
[16:40] <apw> now that the casper changes have hit vivid-release it might be a good idea to respin one of the liveCDs (say amd64) so we can confirm it fixes the booting issues there
[16:41] <apw> sooner rather than later, given alpha2 freezy is so imminent
[16:44] <Laney> apw: doing
[16:44] <apw> Laney, thanks indeed
[16:45] <Laney> although it might not be so imminent
[16:45]  * Laney sends a nastygram to the ML :)
[16:47] <apw> Laney, :)
[17:12] <apw> Laney, will that rebuild appear here in queuebot verbiage, or ...
[17:13] <Laney> apw: it's at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/ already so probably not :P
[17:13] <apw> Laney, ahhh thanks
[17:14] <elfy> Laney: elfy sent a 'what's that anyway' askygram :)
[17:14] <elfy> then washed his hands of it as well :)
[17:33] <elfy> Laney: ta :)
[17:33] <Laney> haha
[17:33] <Laney> I enjoy this split conversation
[17:33] <elfy> :D
[17:34] <elfy> I'll try and look at that wiki - I'd guess if nothing else - splitting it into 2 bits (those with access and Ubuntu release) and stuff that the 'rest' can help with would be useful
[17:36] <Laney> most of it is just not done any more since the milestones were de-officialised
[17:37] <elfy> lol
[17:41] <elfy> then I'll look at something for flavour's to use then - anyway I'll have a play somewhere
[17:58] <apw> Laney, that ISO seems to boot just fine ... so i will call the casper changes a success
[17:59] <Laney> good work son
[18:00] <wxl> folks, what's up with alpha2? when will we have images?
[18:03] <apw> wxl, normally (and nominally) the freezes for the early milestones are the tuesday of the week of that milestone, and the release the thursday of the same week
[18:03] <wxl> apw: they used to be monday. oh well.
[18:03] <apw> so i'd expect to see migration blocks drop in tomorrow
[18:04]  * apw cannot reacall a monday one, so it must have been a while
[18:04] <elfy> 2 or 3 cycles ago it was
[18:04] <wxl> which in ubuntu terms is like a million years ago ;)
[18:04] <Laney> there was a monday time, but it's been tuesday for a few milestones now
[18:05] <wxl> i'm going to update our wiki to reflect this
[18:05] <wxl> wait a minute
[18:05] <wxl> apw: when you say "early milestones" do you mean anything except the release image or do you mean only alphas?
[18:05] <apw> wxl, my memory is the betas having a week, freezing on a thursday and releasing the next one
[18:06] <wxl> apw: is there anywhere i can find a definitive answer?
[18:06] <apw> the release team by definition (i suspect)
[18:06] <wxl> heheheh
[18:06] <wxl> i'll send an email
[18:07] <Laney> last cycle they were all the tuesday before, except release
[18:07] <elfy> yep - possibly the previous too
[18:10] <wxl> sent, thanks apw Laney elfy
[18:12] <elfy> I'd not thank me - I'm so forgetful I'd forget to
[18:12] <wxl> hehehe
[18:12] <wxl> yeah well i'm also trying to consider that as well
[18:12] <wxl> so maybe i should say you're welcome, elfy ? :)
[18:12] <elfy> :)
[18:12] <elfy> wxl: did you see the recent mails to the -release list ?
[18:13] <wxl> elfy: i saw the ones about participating in alpha2
[18:13] <elfy> I think generally *they* want the likes of you and I to step up and help out with some of this
[18:13] <wxl> well i'm happy to help but i can't decide schedules
[18:13] <wxl> if i can get the info, i'll help disseminate it
[18:14] <elfy> this thing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-December/003166.html
[18:15] <wxl> oh yeah
[18:15] <wxl> not so recent :)
[18:16] <elfy> heh - I meant the within the last hour or so recent from Laney and me :)
[18:16] <wxl> hahahah
[18:16] <wxl> they say they need alpha2, beta1 help and yet there's not even a column yet :)
[18:16] <wxl> there's a certain irony to it
[18:37] <elfy> wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseTaskSignup - 2 empty spots - for a2 and b1 :)
[18:48]  * wxl removes his blinders
[18:48] <wxl> oh now i see it!
[18:48] <wxl> in any case i'm kind of stretched thing on that
[18:48] <wxl> i think i'll forward the message to the team and see if someone wants to pick up on it
[18:48] <wxl> our release team is rather small