[00:06] jdstrand: So it is currently not possible to build a WiFi Analyzer app, right? At least I don't see any way to continously query for SSIDs which are in range, their capabilities/properties and signal strength === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [01:39] hello mates. has anyone heard of the 'asus tranformer Book chi t300'? I might want that. Do you think it would work fine with Ubuntu, since it has a detachable touch display. [01:40] Furthermore, I probably w ont be able to get it without Windows, will it be a problem selling the license? [01:40] thanks in advance! [01:42] and as I asked some days ago, how would unity 8 (if ready) handle a hybrid? [01:46] ..anyone? :) [02:19] nimmersatt: none of these are really questions for the channel to be honest. [02:20] If the ASUS Transformer Book chi t300 is Intel-based, you should be able to install Ubuntu to it. [02:21] Ubuntu is not very optimized for touch. Unity 8 will work as well as it does on a desktop (read: not well) *if* Mir will run. [02:21] Microsoft does not allow you to sell an OEM license. It is restricted to the hardware it comes with. [02:48] nimmersatt, nhaines: Note that if it's 32bit only, and uses EFI, then it's a bit of a pain to get Ubuntu booting on it (I *think* we've got packages in the archive that will support it, but we don't make EFI32 images) [02:51] thanks a lot for your replies, nhaines and RAOF [02:52] that sucks with Windows. [02:52] Ubuntu touch boots works just fine on Intel hardware (with the mesa platform); IIRC there have been some recent G+ posts where someone's got U8 running on their Intel thingy. [02:52] will be a Intel m chip they say [02:55] How do you think about the chi t300 think? I was dreaming of a hybrid laptop, and this looked appealing. [02:56] I don't know anything about it. [02:56] I won't be in the market for such things until later this year. :) [02:57] ok :) === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [07:40] jdstrand: Could you have a look at https://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/01/17/unprivileged-icmp-sockets-on-linux/ ? I already talked to popey and ogra_ about it and I think it should be resolved just because the phone currently has different defaults than the desktop [07:52] good morning [07:57] dholbach: Good morning! [08:03] hi sturmflut-work [08:25] how to install ubuntu on MOTO E [08:28] how to install ubuntu on MOTO E?? [08:32] !devices | ame [08:32] ame: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [08:35] MOTO E [08:35] popey :MOTO E [08:35] ame: repeatedly telling me the name of your device isn't super useful. [08:36] okay [08:36] ame: the page I linked to lists devices which may or may not be supported. [08:36] okay [08:37] popey:my model number is not in that list [08:37] So there is no port, and thus someone needs to port it. [08:38] okay [08:39] popey:Is that the same operating system should be use for mobile also or different?? [08:40] sorry, i don't understand your question. === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [08:53] ame: you are curious about the differences between 'ubuntu' and 'ubuntu touch'? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:01] anpok:yes [09:09] may i know who will develop or give the ports for phone?? [09:55] guys my vivid phone keeps rebooting by itself [09:55] while doing nothing [09:55] any clue? [09:56] dmesg has lots of http://paste.ubuntu.com/9783734/ [09:56] and then http://paste.ubuntu.com/9783743/ and reboot [10:01] tsdgeos: Which release from which channel are you using on what device? [10:02] sturmflut-work: ubuntu-device-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed [10:02] nexus4 [10:07] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tin Can Day! :-D [10:08] tsdgeos: Probably a recently introduced bug, it is the development channel... My Nexus 4 is on the stable channel and works fine. [10:08] yes obviously [10:08] was working friday [10:08] camera-app crashes on mako rtm proposed #170. known issue? [10:09] ah never mind! https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1412013 [10:09] Launchpad bug 1412013 in android (Ubuntu) "[mako] Camera app doesn't launch on #169" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:09] matv1: Jep, it is known [10:09] yep i saw as i was typing sorry :) [10:12] The manpage for ubuntu-device-flash seems quite outdated to me? It still mentions stuff like "ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels" in the EXAMPLE section [10:13] sturmflut-work, yeah, better use --help === ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud [10:40] is cordova-ubuntu-2.8 now dropped from touch as well? [10:41] (bug 1409656) [10:41] bug 1409656 in Ubuntu HTML5 UI SDK "ubuntu-html5-container still pulls cordova-2.8 on vivid" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409656 [10:42] dholbach: i see no cordova* packages on my non-vivid phone [10:42] ubuntu-html5-container is there though.. [10:42] brilliant [10:42] qtdeclarative5-cordova-2.8-plugin also [10:43] oh, so qtdeclarative5-cordova-2.8-plugin is still there? [10:44] its on my phone, yes [10:45] Installed: 2.8.0+14.04.20140130.3-0ubuntu6 [10:45] I added a task for RTM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme/+bug/1409656 [10:46] Launchpad bug 1409656 in Ubuntu HTML5 UI SDK "ubuntu-html5-container still pulls cordova-2.8 on vivid" [High,In progress] [10:46] dbarth, ^ [10:47] ah finally, cool [10:48] dbarth, it's fixed in vivid and on the vivid images, but not on the rtm image apparently [10:48] dholbach: for rtm i will need to comment on the apps in store === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:48] ie, the fact that we won't break apps relying on that package [10:49] dbarth, hum... well, these apps already won't work for phones using vivid :) [10:49] correct [10:54] Saviq, ogra_: it looks like we could drop cordova-2.8 from the rtm image - dbarth said that it's not used and it would just free up some space - is this of any interest? (bug 1409656) [10:54] bug 1409656 in Ubuntu HTML5 UI SDK "ubuntu-html5-container still pulls cordova-2.8 on vivid" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409656 === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:28] dholbach, dunno, is it seeded specifically beyond that dep ? [11:29] ogra_, not that I know of [11:29] if it just means to include the same dependency change in rtm, let pmcgowan or olli know about that bug so they can add it to the rtm list [11:34] ok... I'll drop them an email === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:12] mmcqd/0 is using >90% of the cpu on the emulator, making it essentially unusable. Any fix? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alecu_ is now known as alecu === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:15] Hi guys [13:16] Is there some one? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:36] Hey all! Noob but, I am trying to install Touch on my note 2 and I keep getting an error about a missing 'git'.. [14:38] Nevermind, we're good === om26er_ is now known as om26er === anpok_ is now known as anpok === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [16:02] mvo: hi! Do you have an ETA for bug 1358294? [16:02] bug 1358294 in click (Ubuntu) "App .config not removed when app uninstalled" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358294 === mardy_ is now known as mardy [16:21] What is the modern-day equivalent of “ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels”? [16:21] I’m trying to find the vivid channel [16:35] mpt: I think vivid is ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed [16:35] mardy: if its important we can land it any day, sorry, it dropped off my radar (snappy work) [16:36] mardy: I need to read the bugreport - I take it there is consensus on this now? what it should delete? [16:36] mvo: I think it is, but we can workaround and have a hook to do the cleaning [16:36] mpt, ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels [16:36] mvo: as far as I can see, JohnLea_'s comment is quite clear [16:36] Thanks jgdx + mardy :-) [16:37] alexabreu: please see the lines for the last 30 mins or so ^ [16:38] alexabreu: I think that we can remove those two flags, and always remove the data [16:38] mardy, looking [16:40] mardy, yeah that's the one that IU had in mind when we talked about it this morning, it wasn't clear when it was supposed to land [16:40] though [16:40] mardy: ok, cool, I can work on this tomorrow then (almost EOD here) [16:40] mvo: cool [16:41] mardy, I still find it weird though, ... [16:41] alexabreu: what? [16:41] mardy, given our "each app has ownership of its produced data", ... [16:41] mardy, the model for deletion for e.g. photos etc. ... [16:42] mardy, I dont find it that intuitive if we go that way, and we dont have a finer grained alternative ifthe user wants to e.g. back up its photos === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [16:46] alexabreu: before deleting an app, the user should export its contents to another app, if he wants to preserve it [16:47] mardy, yeah but the process is not intuitive atm, and still app dependent afaik [16:48] alexabreu: true, but OTOH if we don't do this now, the user will be left with quite a few stale files whenever an app is removed [16:49] alexabreu: to be honest, I don't see that many content-generating apps right now, so I don't think that removing all app's data is a problem [16:54] mardy, not at this point, but it will [17:25] Hmmm [17:26] “Switch to passphrase” lets you enter no passphrase at all, and then complains “No password supplied” [18:19] i'm trying to change channels by reflashing but there is nothing listed in abd devices? [18:28] dubstar_04, have you set your phone to developer mode? if not, there will be no adb connection [18:32] i turned on developer mode in ubuntu. should i be in fastboot or booted in to ubuntu? [18:34] i booted in to ubuntu and its working now. === IdleOne is now known as Guest7318 === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:35] my install has hung at done pushing, with no furthur output. is this normal? [19:43] hi! [19:43] I was wondering if I can safely install the ubuntu touch build for xperia z on a xperia Z2? [19:43] is that possible? [19:50] Hello, I am porting UT, what _boot_mode should I use? android or ubuntu? Can anyone explain what means this modes? [19:51] it is from touch script in boot.img === Guest7318 is now known as IdleOne [20:10] whats the correct channel for RTM? Stable? [20:26] nobody answers questions here :/ [20:29] @all need help, quick question, trying to load ubuntu-touch onto a Nexus 7 (2012), troubles... My device is tilapia and tilapia is not on the https://system-image.ubuntu.com under any of the folders let alone devel... [20:31] short answer: my device cant have ubuntu-touch on it? thats what im thinking [20:33] Found my answer... "Support (as reference hardware) for the Nexus 7 (original model) is also now deprecated, with development focused on: Nexus 4 smartphone, Nexus 7 (2013) tablet, and Nexus 10 tablet." [20:34] well thats just great. lol [20:39] You can still install it but you don't get OTA updates. Also it is now up to the community to maintain. Here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Obsolete [21:04] mzanetti, popey: I am working on the libSDL stuff again. My first thought was to just pull all missing libraries out of their Utopic armhf packages and bundle them with my click package, but I can't seem to find an armhf libsdl package which depends on anything Mir-related [21:04] SturmFlut: i thought libsdl was built with mir support these days.. [21:05] bregma: ^ is that the case? [21:05] yes, it's true [21:05] SDL2.0 at least [21:05] dunno if the libSDL1.2 patch is in the archives [21:07] either way, it's a runtime dlopen-style dependency, so the package will not have a dependency [21:07] i was also just playing with libsdl2 and a graphical app called love (which is commonly used for 2d games) [21:07] I couldn't get that working on my nexus 7 [21:08] tracing reveals... [21:08] libSDL2-2.0.so.0->dlopen("libmirclient.so.8", 2PTRACE_SINGLESTEP: Input/output error [21:08] 26895 couldn't continue when handling dlopen (0xb6b558fc) at 0xb6b558fc [21:08] hmmm, I wonder if there's a SONAME problem.... bschaefer isn't around (USA holiday today), he's the one to talk to [21:09] SturmFlut: my strategy was to make my device read-write and try and get it working just "apt-getting" stuff from the archive. [21:09] SturmFlut: if that worked, then try to bundle it all together in a click [21:09] oh, didn't realise it was a US holiday. [21:09] libmirclient8 is installed on my device which provides /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libmirclient.so.8 [21:10] then a generic "Error: Failed to connect to the Mir Server" [21:10] SturmFlut: so I think we need to wait for bschaefer [21:14] popey: Hrmpf. Now I three of my new apps are on hold because general platform issues have to be resolved first ;) [21:14] :( [21:17] I have hopes for the Network Scanner, but ATM don't think the WiFi Analyzer can be implemented at all [21:30] jdstrand: Did you maybe already have time to read check my unprivileged ICMP question? [21:35] (he's also USA based) [21:37] popey: Argh, right. [21:40] sorry dude, i feel your pain :) [21:40] * popey wanders away from computers for a bit === xerf_ is now known as dxerf === dxerf is now known as _xerf [22:01] popey: Should I maybe take my requests to the mailing lists, as suggested by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs? Would definitely make it easier to coordinate things. But ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss seem to be pretty much dead. === salem_ is now known as _salem [23:29] popey: SDL_Init(): Initialization failed: No available video device [23:31] popey: But I managed to build a quite elaborate Qt Creator project which already bundles all the missing armhf libraries, have fun with https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template [23:33] popey: For some reason it doesn't start the project on the phone when you switch to the armhf kit and press "Run", but you can build a click package using the "Publish" tab and install it on the device. Would be nice to find out why this is happening.