[00:06] <SturmFlut> jdstrand: So it is currently not possible to build a WiFi Analyzer app, right? At least I don't see any way to continously query for SSIDs which are in range, their capabilities/properties and signal strength
[01:39] <nimmersatt> hello mates. has anyone heard of the 'asus tranformer Book chi t300'? I might want that. Do you think it would work fine with Ubuntu, since it has a detachable touch display.
[01:40] <nimmersatt> Furthermore, I probably w ont be able to get it without Windows, will it be a problem selling the license?
[01:40] <nimmersatt> thanks in advance!
[01:42] <nimmersatt> and as I asked some days ago, how would unity 8 (if ready) handle a hybrid?
[01:46] <nimmersatt> ..anyone? :)
[02:19] <nhaines> nimmersatt: none of these are really questions for the channel to be honest.
[02:20] <nhaines> If the ASUS Transformer Book chi t300 is Intel-based, you should be able to install Ubuntu to it.
[02:21] <nhaines> Ubuntu is not very optimized for touch.  Unity 8 will work as well as it does on a desktop (read: not well) *if* Mir will run.
[02:21] <nhaines> Microsoft does not allow you to sell an OEM license.  It is restricted to the hardware it comes with.
[02:48] <RAOF> nimmersatt, nhaines: Note that if it's 32bit only, and uses EFI, then it's a bit of a pain to get Ubuntu booting on it (I *think* we've got packages in the archive that will support it, but we don't make EFI32 images)
[02:51] <nimmersatt> thanks a lot for your replies, nhaines and RAOF
[02:52] <nimmersatt> that sucks with Windows.
[02:52] <RAOF> Ubuntu touch boots works just fine on Intel hardware (with the mesa platform); IIRC there have been some recent G+ posts where someone's got U8 running on their Intel thingy.
[02:52] <nimmersatt> will be a Intel m chip they say
[02:55] <nimmersatt> How do you think about the chi t300 think? I was dreaming of a hybrid laptop, and this looked appealing.
[02:56] <nhaines> I don't know anything about it.
[02:56] <nhaines> I won't be in the market for such things until later this year.  :)
[02:57] <nimmersatt> ok :)
[07:40] <sturmflut-work> jdstrand: Could you have a look at https://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/01/17/unprivileged-icmp-sockets-on-linux/ ? I already talked to popey and ogra_ about it and I think it should be resolved just because the phone currently has different defaults than the desktop
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <sturmflut-work> dholbach: Good morning!
[08:03] <dholbach> hi sturmflut-work
[08:25] <ame> how to install ubuntu on MOTO E
[08:28] <ame> how to install ubuntu on MOTO E??
[08:32] <popey> !devices | ame
[08:35] <ame> MOTO E
[08:35] <ame> popey :MOTO E
[08:35] <popey> ame: repeatedly telling me the name of your device isn't super useful.
[08:36] <ame> okay
[08:36] <popey> ame: the page I linked to lists devices which may or may not be supported.
[08:36] <ame> okay
[08:37] <ame> popey:my model number is not in that list
[08:37] <popey> So there is no port, and thus someone needs to port it.
[08:38] <ame> okay
[08:39] <ame> popey:Is that the same operating system should be use for mobile also or different??
[08:40] <popey> sorry, i don't understand your question.
[08:53] <anpok_> ame: you are curious about the differences between 'ubuntu' and 'ubuntu touch'?
[09:01] <ame> anpok:yes
[09:09] <ame> may i know who will develop or give the ports for phone??
[09:55] <tsdgeos> guys my vivid phone keeps rebooting by itself
[09:55] <tsdgeos> while doing nothing
[09:55] <tsdgeos> any clue?
[09:56] <tsdgeos> dmesg has lots of http://paste.ubuntu.com/9783734/
[09:56] <tsdgeos> and then http://paste.ubuntu.com/9783743/ and reboot
[10:01] <sturmflut-work> tsdgeos: Which release from which channel are you using on what device?
[10:02] <tsdgeos> sturmflut-work: ubuntu-device-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed
[10:02] <tsdgeos> nexus4
[10:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tin Can Day! :-D
[10:08] <sturmflut-work> tsdgeos: Probably a recently introduced bug, it is the development channel... My Nexus 4 is on the stable channel and works fine.
[10:08] <tsdgeos> yes obviously
[10:08] <tsdgeos> was working friday
[10:08] <matv1> camera-app crashes on mako rtm proposed #170. known issue?
[10:09] <matv1> ah never mind! https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1412013
[10:09] <sturmflut-work> matv1: Jep, it is known
[10:09] <matv1> yep i saw as i was typing sorry :)
[10:12] <sturmflut-work> The manpage for ubuntu-device-flash seems quite outdated to me? It still mentions stuff like "ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels" in the EXAMPLE section
[10:13] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, yeah, better use --help
[10:40] <dholbach> is cordova-ubuntu-2.8 now dropped from touch as well?
[10:41] <dholbach> (bug 1409656)
[10:42] <popey> dholbach: i see no cordova* packages on my non-vivid phone
[10:42] <popey>  ubuntu-html5-container is there though..
[10:42] <dholbach> brilliant
[10:42] <popey> qtdeclarative5-cordova-2.8-plugin also
[10:43] <dholbach> oh, so qtdeclarative5-cordova-2.8-plugin is still there?
[10:44] <popey> its on my phone, yes
[10:45] <popey>   Installed: 2.8.0+14.04.20140130.3-0ubuntu6
[10:45] <dholbach> I added a task for RTM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme/+bug/1409656
[10:46] <dholbach> dbarth, ^
[10:47] <dbarth> ah finally, cool
[10:48] <dholbach> dbarth, it's fixed in vivid and on the vivid images, but not on the rtm image apparently
[10:48] <dbarth> dholbach: for rtm i will need to comment on the apps in store
[10:48] <dbarth> ie, the fact that we won't break apps relying on that package
[10:49] <dholbach> dbarth, hum... well, these apps already won't work for phones using vivid :)
[10:49] <dbarth> correct
[10:54] <dholbach> Saviq, ogra_: it looks like we could drop cordova-2.8 from the rtm image - dbarth said that it's not used and it would just free up some space - is this of any interest? (bug 1409656)
[11:28] <ogra_> dholbach, dunno, is it seeded specifically beyond that dep ?
[11:29] <dholbach> ogra_, not that I know of
[11:29] <ogra_> if it just means to include the same dependency change in rtm, let pmcgowan or olli know about that bug so they can add it to the rtm list
[11:34] <dholbach> ok... I'll drop them an email
[12:12] <Chipaca> mmcqd/0 is using >90% of the cpu on the emulator, making it essentially unusable. Any fix?
[13:15] <bakha> Hi guys
[13:16] <bakha> Is there some one?
[14:36] <Tyler_> Hey all! Noob but, I am trying to install Touch on my note 2 and I keep getting an error about a missing 'git'..
[14:38] <Tyler_> Nevermind, we're good
[16:02] <mardy_> mvo: hi! Do you have an ETA for bug 1358294?
[16:21] <mpt> What is the modern-day equivalent of “ubuntu-device-flash --list-channels”?
[16:21] <mpt> I’m trying to find the vivid channel
[16:35] <mardy> mpt: I think vivid is ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed
[16:35] <mvo> mardy: if its important we can land it any day, sorry, it dropped off my radar (snappy work)
[16:36] <mvo> mardy: I need to read the bugreport - I take it there is consensus on this now? what it should delete?
[16:36] <mardy> mvo: I think it is, but we can workaround and have a hook to do the cleaning
[16:36] <jgdx> mpt, ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels
[16:36] <mardy> mvo: as far as I can see, JohnLea_'s comment is quite clear
[16:36] <mpt> Thanks jgdx + mardy :-)
[16:37] <mardy> alexabreu: please see the lines for the last 30 mins or so ^
[16:38] <mardy> alexabreu: I think that we can remove those two flags, and always remove the data
[16:38] <alexabreu> mardy, looking
[16:40] <alexabreu> mardy, yeah that's the one that IU had in mind when we talked about it this morning, it wasn't clear when it was supposed to land
[16:40] <alexabreu> though
[16:40] <mvo> mardy: ok, cool, I can work on this tomorrow then (almost EOD here)
[16:40] <mardy> mvo: cool
[16:41] <alexabreu> mardy, I still find it weird though, ...
[16:41] <mardy> alexabreu: what?
[16:41] <alexabreu> mardy, given our "each app has ownership of its produced data", ...
[16:41] <alexabreu> mardy, the model for deletion for e.g. photos etc. ...
[16:42] <alexabreu> mardy, I dont find it that intuitive if we go that way, and we dont have a finer grained alternative ifthe user wants to e.g. back up its photos
[16:46] <mardy> alexabreu: before deleting an app, the user should export its contents to another app, if he wants to preserve it
[16:47] <alexabreu> mardy, yeah but the process is not intuitive atm, and still app dependent afaik
[16:48] <mardy> alexabreu: true, but OTOH if we don't do this now, the user will be left with quite a few stale files whenever an app is removed
[16:49] <mardy> alexabreu: to be honest, I don't see that many content-generating apps right now, so I don't think that removing all app's data is a problem
[16:54] <alexabreu> mardy, not at this point, but it will
[17:25] <mpt> Hmmm
[17:26] <mpt> “Switch to passphrase” lets you enter no passphrase at all, and then complains “No password supplied”
[18:19] <dubstar_04> i'm trying to change channels by reflashing but there is nothing listed in abd devices?
[18:28] <rickspencer3> dubstar_04, have you set your phone to developer mode? if not, there will be no adb connection
[18:32] <dubstar_04> i turned on developer mode in ubuntu. should i be in fastboot or booted in to ubuntu?
[18:34] <dubstar_04> i booted in to ubuntu and its working now.
[19:35] <dubstar-04> my install has hung at done pushing, with no furthur output. is this normal?
[19:43] <Bc1151> hi!
[19:43] <Bc1151> I was wondering if I can safely install the ubuntu touch build for xperia z on a xperia Z2?
[19:43] <Bc1151> is that possible?
[19:50] <adrian47> Hello, I am porting UT, what _boot_mode should I use? android or ubuntu? Can anyone explain what means this modes?
[19:51] <adrian47> it is from touch script in boot.img
[20:10] <dubstar-04> whats the correct channel for RTM? Stable?
[20:26] <Bc1151> nobody answers questions here :/
[20:29] <darkdos> @all need help, quick question, trying to load ubuntu-touch onto a Nexus 7 (2012), troubles...  My device is  tilapia  and tilapia is not on the https://system-image.ubuntu.com  under any of the folders let alone devel...
[20:31] <darkdos> short answer: my device cant have ubuntu-touch on it? thats what im thinking
[20:33] <darkdos> Found my answer... "Support (as reference hardware) for the Nexus 7 (original model) is also now deprecated, with development focused on: Nexus 4 smartphone, Nexus 7 (2013) tablet, and Nexus 10 tablet."
[20:34] <darkdos> well thats just great. lol
[20:39] <ZacharyIgielman> You can still install it but you don't get OTA updates. Also it is now up to the community to maintain. Here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Obsolete
[21:04] <SturmFlut> mzanetti, popey: I am working on the libSDL stuff again. My first thought was to just pull all missing libraries out of their Utopic armhf packages and bundle them with my click package, but I can't seem to find an armhf libsdl package which depends on anything Mir-related
[21:04] <popey> SturmFlut: i thought libsdl was built with mir support these days..
[21:05] <popey> bregma: ^ is that the case?
[21:05] <bregma> yes, it's true
[21:05] <bregma> SDL2.0 at least
[21:05] <bregma> dunno if the libSDL1.2 patch is in the archives
[21:07] <bregma> either way, it's a runtime dlopen-style dependency, so the package will not have a dependency
[21:07] <popey> i was also just playing with libsdl2 and a graphical app called love (which is commonly used for 2d games)
[21:07] <popey> I couldn't get that working on my nexus 7
[21:08] <popey> tracing reveals...
[21:08] <popey> libSDL2-2.0.so.0->dlopen("libmirclient.so.8", 2PTRACE_SINGLESTEP: Input/output error
[21:08] <popey> 26895 couldn't continue when handling dlopen (0xb6b558fc) at 0xb6b558fc
[21:08] <bregma> hmmm, I wonder if there's a SONAME problem....   bschaefer isn't around (USA holiday today), he's the one to talk to
[21:09] <popey> SturmFlut: my strategy was to make my device read-write and try and get it working just "apt-getting" stuff from the archive.
[21:09] <popey> SturmFlut: if that worked, then try to bundle it all together in a click
[21:09] <popey> oh, didn't realise it was a US holiday.
[21:09] <popey> libmirclient8 is installed on my device which provides /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libmirclient.so.8
[21:10] <popey> then a generic "Error: Failed to connect to the Mir Server"
[21:10] <popey> SturmFlut: so I think we need to wait for bschaefer
[21:14] <SturmFlut> popey: Hrmpf. Now I three of my new apps are on hold because general platform issues have to be resolved first ;)
[21:14] <popey> :(
[21:17] <SturmFlut> I have hopes for the Network Scanner, but ATM  don't think the WiFi Analyzer can be implemented at all
[21:30] <SturmFlut> jdstrand: Did you maybe already have time to read check my unprivileged ICMP question?
[21:35] <popey> (he's also USA based)
[21:37] <SturmFlut> popey: Argh, right.
[21:40] <popey> sorry dude, i feel your pain :)
[21:40]  * popey wanders away from computers for a bit
[22:01] <SturmFlut> popey: Should I maybe take my requests to the mailing lists, as suggested by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs? Would definitely make it easier to coordinate things. But ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss seem to be pretty much dead.
[23:29] <SturmFlut> popey: SDL_Init(): Initialization failed: No available video device
[23:31] <SturmFlut> popey: But I managed to build a quite elaborate Qt Creator project which already bundles all the missing armhf libraries, have fun with https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template
[23:33] <SturmFlut> popey: For some reason it doesn't start the project on the phone when you switch to the armhf kit and press "Run", but you can build a click package using the "Publish" tab and install it on the device. Would be nice to find out why this is happening.