[18:52] <newbooter> My Lubuntu just refused to restart... could anyone give me a hand please?
[18:52] <newbooter> It hangs at the Lubuntu 14.10 .... and stays at the four moving dots.
[18:53] <newbooter> Prior to that, I got an error on transmission and when copying saying error: read-only filesystem.
[18:53] <newbooter> Did reboot, with result above...
[18:55] <newbooter> Before that, no problems, did not install anything new recently either.
[18:58] <newbooter> Is there a recovery mode I can try to start up with?
[19:24] <ianorlin> newbooter does pressing control alt f1 switch you to a tty?
[19:27] <newbooter> will try that ianorlin
[19:29] <ianorlin> might be a video driver problem
[19:29] <ianorlin> something else to try
[19:29] <ianorlin> !nomodeset
[19:33] <newbooter> ok
[19:34] <newbooter> At the moment I have booted in to another Linux (puppylinux) and I have gparted open to look at the disks
[19:34] <newbooter> That read-only error apparently can be an indication of partition issues.
[19:35] <newbooter> Can I set gparted to check a partition without repairing it straight away (and thereby possibly corrupting the data?)
[19:40] <Mr_Comet> good question.
[19:40] <Mr_Comet> i dont think gpart will mess up the partition
[19:40] <Mr_Comet> i had a usb drive
[19:40] <Mr_Comet> it was ext3/4
[19:40] <Mr_Comet> it got corrupted.
[19:40] <Mr_Comet> had mint linux in it
[19:41] <Mr_Comet> gpart couldnt read it
[19:41] <Mr_Comet> just showed partition
[19:41] <Mr_Comet> testdisk recovery didnt work onit
[19:42] <Mr_Comet> finally formatted it
[19:42] <Mr_Comet> and used puppy in it
[19:45] <newbooter> Okay so you are saying check+repair with gparted is worth a shot?
[19:45] <newbooter> testdisk recovery. Do you mean if you run Lubuntu from ISO/CD it has a recovery mode?
[19:48] <newbooter> Going to reboot and try the suggestions provided... thanks so far everyone!
[19:48] <Mr_Comet> i think one has to install testdisk. its not avail by default i think
[19:49] <Mr_Comet> nope.
[19:49] <Mr_Comet> live iso/cd dont have testdisk i think
[19:50] <Mr_Comet> you could install testdisk on live cd but it wont be saved for next use .
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> im never a fan of recovery and backing up of data with apps
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> 1st partition for os
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> 2nd partition for data
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> usb drive for backup.
[19:51] <Mr_Comet> thats my simple style
[20:01] <ianorlin> no hold down shift and you can gett to grub and boot into recovery from there
[20:01] <holstein> im a fan of testdisk for recovery
[20:02] <holstein> i mean, ideally, one would have a proper backup to refer to.. but, if you dont, those tools are great
[20:02] <holstein> i use a live iso, and sudo apt-get install testdisk.. or, i'll just the ultimate boot cd
[20:02] <holstein> https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[20:02] <Mr_Comet> thx to lubuntu like its ubuntu, i got burned twice losing HDD partition in the name of installation
[20:03] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu :)
[20:03] <Mr_Comet> testdisk saved me.
[20:03] <Mr_Comet> never thot it inherited its installation DNA
[20:03] <holstein> most do say, and should say "dont partition without expecting breakage..
[20:03] <Mr_Comet> i learned the hard way
[20:03] <Mr_Comet> for the 2nd time.
[20:03] <Mr_Comet> sigh
[20:04] <Mr_Comet> i wished ubuntu and its clones just use harddisk's current partitions instead of messing it up
[20:04] <holstein> lol
[20:04] <holstein> its not "messing it up". its partitioning
[20:04] <Mr_Comet> in this regard, i respect MINT
[20:04] <holstein> its not an ubuntu/lubuntu/linux issue at all
[20:05] <holstein> repartitioning and partitioning *can* break things..
[20:05] <holstein> mint is the same.. with most of the same tools.. gparted. etc..
[20:05] <Mr_Comet> im not even gonna argue about ubuntu and its flavors anymore when it comes to installation. will only install IF the HDD is empty.
[20:07] <holstein> go ahead and expect that the drive *will* fail. since it will. and when it does, you can lose things
[20:07] <holstein> then, you have no issues using installers.. you are asking them all to resize partitions, which, is not trivial,and can realisticall break things.. from *any* os/partitioner
[20:07] <Mr_Comet> i had a panic attack thx to lubuntu :(
[20:08] <Mr_Comet> i just dont know why i mess up the *buntus installations when mint goes well
[20:08] <holstein> Mr_Comet: if you do the same with mint, it *will* break as well eventually
[20:08] <holstein> Mr_Comet: mint is not magically resizing your partitions with a "better" tool.. its the same technology..
[20:09] <Mr_Comet> i never mess up with mint. thats why im puzzled.
[20:09] <holstein> Mr_Comet: no one on the mint team will say "just install and resize without worry.. our partitioner wont break existing data"
[20:09] <holstein> they will *all* suggest you backup before resizing
[20:14] <Mr_Comet> ok
[20:17] <newbooter> Lubuntu running again... thanks everyone for your tips. In the end I went ahead with a disk check and repair with Gparted running from ISO... that did the trick.
[20:17] <holstein> newbooter: keep in mind, those issues are usually indicative of a larger problem.. like, a failing hard drive
[20:18] <holstein> if i have, either, a brand new drive, or an older drive, i'll watch and test it closely.. those are the  times drives are more likely to fail, and they *all* fail
[20:20] <Mr_Comet> holstein-  +1
[20:38] <newbooter> Hm thanks holstein. This is in fact a brand new USB drive...
[20:38] <newbooter> So probably run some drive tests to make sure it's ok?
[20:40] <newbooter> Also, does lubuntu have backup software?
[22:04] <teward> wxl: running a software update from the older image you asked me to look at to latest - lets see if it blows up the VM or not :)
[22:29] <teward> osnap
[22:31] <teward> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9798963/   *waits for Alpha 2 instead*
[22:31] <teward> s/Alpha 2/next milestone/
[22:31] <wxl> i've seen some bugs re: extras.ubuntu.com
[22:31] <wxl> maybe it has to do with that
[22:32] <Unit193> Looks entirely unrelated.
[22:32] <teward> well alpha 1 -> now via apt-get update; apt-get upgrade failed with that
[22:32] <teward> i'mma wait for the next alpha release and do testcases
[22:32] <teward> 'CAUSE I'M BORED
[22:32] <teward> s/alpha release/milestone/
[22:35] <Unit193> I've had no problems, upgraded to vivid a bit ago.
[22:36] <ianorlin> commenting out the sources works but they really should fix that
[22:36] <ianorlin> the one reason I did so I could have new stuff and not mask other bugs
[22:37] <Unit193> ianorlin: But, is there anything worth it in those extras?  Yes commenting out fixes it, but I already had 'em disabled.
[22:37] <ianorlin> I don't know of anything worthwhile in them
[22:39] <teward> Unit193: nothing on that VM was in extras so...
[22:39] <teward> wxl: ^
[22:39]  * teward shrugs
[22:40] <Unit193> That looks like fun to fix.
[22:41]  * teward sends the VM to /dev/null and prepares to recreate later
[23:54] <Jaybot> Hi, I have a question about user and group permissions
[23:56] <wxl> sounds like a ##linux question Jaybot :)
[23:56] <Jaybot> okay i'll head there
[23:56] <Jaybot> thanks wxl
[23:56] <wxl> you can ask here Jaybot
[23:56] <wxl> but it's not specific to lubuntu i'm sure
[23:57] <Jaybot> I just joined ##linux and will try there first
[23:57] <Jaybot> thanks for your help ;)