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| pitti | Good morning | 04:56 |
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| Unit193 | Howja. | 04:56 |
| pitti | hey Unit193! | 04:56 |
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| pitti | shadeslayer, Riddell: so what's the deal with kde-sc-dev-latest? all KDEish autopkgtests fail now as tests want to install that package, but it's not available | 06:56 |
| pitti | e. g. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-ksystemlog/25/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console | 06:57 |
| pitti | and 24 others | 06:57 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:52 |
| LocutusOfBorg1 | hi developerz! | 08:05 |
| pitti | xnox: hmm, is upstart-monitor supposed to work? I'm running it to see the update-notifier events (:sys:block-device-changed), but I don't get any event | 08:23 |
| pitti | and apparently update-notifier's job also doesn't trigger | 08:23 |
| pitti | xnox: oh wait, my fault -- running VM under systemd, sorry | 08:23 |
| pitti | xnox: typical "find the solution after you ask", sorry | 08:23 |
| pitti | xnox: hm, it doesn't work under upstart either; neither in default mode nor with -d system-socket | 09:07 |
| pitti | and the update-notifier job still isn't started | 09:07 |
| pitti | ah, with sudo I do get the events | 09:13 |
| pitti | block-device-changed KERNEL='sr0' ID_FS_TYPE='iso9660' | 09:13 |
| pitti | that's what update-notifier-cds.conf matches on, but it never actually fires | 09:13 |
| pitti | presumably because upstart-monitor as user also doesn't see those? is there some kind of ACL? | 09:14 |
| pitti | jodh: ^ is the session upstart supposed to see events like the above? | 09:14 |
| alkisg_web | pitti, hi, would you mind if I pinged you about your opinion in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/453605/comments/13 ? | 09:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 453605 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "Make default mount umasks configurable" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:15 |
| jodh | pitti: at the session level, they should be prefixed with ':sys:'. | 09:15 |
| * alkisg_web proposed to just drop dmask=0077 there, not to make it configurable... | 09:15 | |
| pitti | jodh: right, that's how I understood it; but they never seem to actually arrive | 09:15 |
| pitti | jodh: i. e. if I see them in "sudo upstart-monitor", but not in "upstart-monitor" or "upstart-monitor -d session-socket", it smells like there's something wrong? | 09:16 |
| pitti | jodh: likewise, /usr/share/upstart/sessions/update-notifier-cds.conf never fires, i. e. it's not seeing these events either | 09:16 |
| pitti | alkisg_web: at first sight this seems sensible; I need to look into this more closely, I'll keep the tab open | 09:17 |
| alkisg_web | pitti, thanks a lot | 09:17 |
| jodh | pitti: sounds like a problem with the upstart-event-bridge. I believe xnox made changes to a number of the bridges recently so he might want to check the behaviour. | 09:19 |
| pitti | jodh: ack, I'll wait for him then | 09:20 |
| pitti | jodh: thanks | 09:20 |
| pitti | xnox: on that note: | 09:20 |
| pitti | /usr/share/upstart/sessions/update-notifier-cds.conf | 09:21 |
| pitti | err | 09:21 |
| pitti | MOUNTPOINT=$(udisks --show-info $DEVNAME | grep 'mount paths' | awk -F: {'print $2'} | sed -e 's/^ *//') | 09:21 |
| pitti | how much more shell/grepping commands can you put into one line... :-) | 09:21 |
| alkisg_web | Haha | 09:22 |
| jamespage | morning all | 09:22 |
| pitti | hey jamespage | 09:22 |
| jamespage | any archive admins around with a spare hour? I have three new neutron-* source packages in the NEW queue for vivid which are refactorings of drivers from the main neutron codebase | 09:23 |
| jamespage | I'd like to get them into vivid so we can complete testing of the openstack kilo-1 milestone :-) | 09:23 |
| pitti | jamespage: I'll have a look | 09:39 |
| jamespage | pitti, thankyou - much appreciated! | 09:39 |
| pitti | mmmh, lintian clean | 09:40 |
| pitti | ♥ | 09:40 |
| pitti | jamespage: btw, please stop using http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5 as Format: field in d/copyright -- use http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#format-field (it's an official standard now) | 09:42 |
| pitti | jamespage: I mean, use what's written ther ( http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/), not literally the above :) | 09:43 |
| jamespage | pitti, erg - sorry - that's probably just a copy paste error - I'll fix that up on next upload (doing some work on enabling the test suites atm) | 09:43 |
| pitti | thanks | 09:43 |
| pitti | jamespage: can you please also add Depends: ${python:Depends}? | 09:45 |
| pitti | jamespage: reviewing neutron-fwaas ATM (might be similar in the other three) | 09:45 |
| jamespage | pitti, ack | 09:45 |
| pitti | jamespage: ok, if you show me a commit with the missing dep (which is quite serious), I'll accept this | 09:47 |
| pitti | rest looks good; moving to vpnaas | 09:48 |
| pitti | jamespage: vpaas is similar; except that neutron-vpn-agent has ${python:Depends} which is almost surely a no-op there (and should be on python-neutron-vpnaas) | 09:50 |
| jamespage | pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793034/ | 09:53 |
| jamespage | pitti, that was for fwaas | 09:53 |
| pitti | jamespage: ack, thanks; accepted fwaas | 09:53 |
| pitti | jamespage: ok, no other issues found in vpnaas, exact same two as above | 09:55 |
| jamespage | pitti, ok fixing in the same way | 09:55 |
| pitti | jamespage: lbaas> same old, ok otherwise | 09:59 |
| jamespage | pitti, ack - I have the same fix ready to go for both of those | 10:00 |
| pitti | jamespage: ack, source-NEWed | 10:01 |
| jamespage | pitti, is there a nice way to pull the source package from the NEW queue? | 10:01 |
| jamespage | dget whinges alot | 10:01 |
| pitti | jamespage: not that I'm aware of, I just usually grab all three files | 10:01 |
| pitti | jamespage: yeah, each component has a different librarian ID :/ | 10:01 |
| jamespage | pitti, thanks for the review - very much appreciated - I owe you one (or three) | 10:01 |
| pitti | jamespage: no worries :) | 10:01 |
| jamespage | pitti, did the strongswan systemd compat get fixed? | 10:02 |
| pitti | jamespage: let me know when you uploaded the fixes, then I'll binNEW them | 10:02 |
| * jamespage looks | 10:02 | |
| pitti | jamespage: trying to remember if I uploaded that, hang on | 10:02 |
| pitti | it's an utterly messy package, but I thought I did | 10:02 |
| pitti | jamespage: yes, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strongswan/5.1.2-0ubuntu5 | 10:02 |
| pitti | I'm now "touched it last", but I'm really not going to merge it | 10:02 |
| pitti | nobody has bothered to merge it in ages :( | 10:03 |
| pitti | and I don't nearly know enough about this to test a merge properly | 10:03 |
| jamespage | pitti, urgh - I hate that | 10:04 |
| jamespage | jpds has been its custodian in ubuntu - maybe he might like todo that merge :-) | 10:04 |
| jamespage | pitti, ok - all three of those updates uploaded and built | 10:08 |
| pitti | jamespage: ah, now that's a presentable Depends: now :) | 10:13 |
| pitti | jamespage: all done | 10:14 |
| jamespage | pitti, thanks! | 10:15 |
| jpds | jamespage: The whole package has a revamp coming up, and there's nothing to "merge" from Debian. | 10:15 |
| pitti | well, we have an enormous diff which looks quite noisy; essentially, we maintain it ourselves | 10:16 |
| pitti | i. e. we have to do things like the systemd migration or other packaging updates ourselves | 10:16 |
| pitti | and we are behind on the upstream version too | 10:16 |
| jpds | pitti: Hence the revamp. | 10:16 |
| pitti | I don't mind much, I just don't want to be held accountable for doing the next merge :) | 10:16 |
| pitti | (as TIL) | 10:16 |
| jpds | pitti: I talked to the Debian guys and they weren't interested in enabling half of the things strongSwan offers. | 10:16 |
| pitti | jpds: if nobody expects us to merge, that's fine then :) | 10:17 |
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| * xnox loves ppc64el "wrong value for kill (job_pid, SIGKILL), expected -1 got -1" | 11:22 | |
| xnox | hits retry button | 11:22 |
| LocutusOfBorg1 | LOL | 11:23 |
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| pitti | xnox: hm, I was about to test your new upstart silo, but I don't see it any more? | 11:29 |
| pitti | xnox: oh, I figure that was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/1.13.2-0ubuntu6 and it's in already; nice! | 11:30 |
| xnox | pitti: didrocks tested it and we landed it. uploaded ubuntu7 now with correct session udev bridge job. | 11:30 |
| * pitti hugs xnox and diddledan | 11:30 | |
| pitti | ... and didrocks too | 11:30 |
| pitti | no cookies for me for laziness and tab completion damage | 11:31 |
| xnox | pitti: however we want to implement globbing as well, such that one can wantedby android-container@foo.bar=val*.target (where "*" is actually systemd-escape'ed value \x3d or some such) | 11:31 |
| xnox | pitti: and then the bridge will iterate through all jobs, and store globs, and upon glob match of event it will start: android-container@foo.bar=val*.target AND android-container@foo.bar=valfull_value_that_was_there.target | 11:32 |
| pitti | xnox: so is https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/upstart/no-classes/+merge/245948 "merged" now? | 11:32 |
| xnox | pitti: yes. | 11:32 |
| xnox | pitti: well superseeded by systemd-local-bridge branch and merged into different target - lp:ubuntu/upstart | 11:33 |
| pitti | oh, it's not merged into trunk, but the ubuntu package | 11:33 |
| xnox | pitti: jodh didn't want systemd silliness in lp:upstart | 11:33 |
| pitti | *nod*, fair enough | 11:33 |
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| shadeslayer | pitti: errr .. hmm | 13:44 |
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| ricotz | xnox, hi, i guess ubuntu-dev-tools is missing a dependency on python-ubuntutools | 14:16 |
| xnox | ricotz: possibly | 14:16 |
| ricotz | meaning it broke here since python-ubuntutools isnt installed ;) | 14:17 |
| xnox | uploaded | 14:19 |
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| ricotz | thanks | 14:20 |
| teward | dobey: thanks for responding to http://askubuntu.com/questions/575775/is-it-possible-to-retire-packages-that-dont-stand-up-to-modern-usability-standa - i had initially popped into -release to have that answered, and they stated also that packages don't get removed unless it's legally compelled as such... | 14:38 |
| dobey | packages only get removed from stable releases if legally compelled to do so. they can be removed from the in-developement archive for lesser reasons, but one guy saying "this is hard to use" is not a good reason | 14:40 |
| dobey | especially for stuff that's just synced from debian and is in universe | 14:40 |
| teward | dobey: indeed. | 14:41 |
| cjwatson | Right, I said "for old releases" in #-release. | 14:41 |
| teward | dobey: i saw a special-case, bitcoin, once - think it was a "too volatile to be updated" and such | 14:41 |
| teward | but that was special-case | 14:41 |
| cjwatson | teward: Please could you edit your misquoting comment that says "they don't remove any packages, unless compelled to for legal reasons"? | 14:41 |
| dobey | teward: i think that was updated to be an empty package | 14:41 |
| teward | cjwatson: i would have to delete the comment entirely - you would have to restate. | 14:42 |
| cjwatson | I'm not going to get involved, but I want you not to be misquoting me. | 14:42 |
| teward | cjwatson: granted i have 2% power on my laptop | 14:42 |
| dobey | which is certainly doable if it makes sense to do | 14:42 |
| teward | so it's deleted | 14:42 |
| cjwatson | (I mean I'm not going to get involved on askubuntu) | 14:42 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 14:42 |
| teward | cjwatson: i know what you meant, it's deleted, problem solved, lets move on. | 14:42 |
| teward | back in a bit, gotta find a power outlet | 14:42 |
| teward | ... and coffee | 14:42 |
| teward | so, the DMB made a suggestion when I got my PPU rights for nginx that there be an Ubuntu specific index.html for the nginx package, which would be installed based on $DEB_VENDOR - my question is, would such a test be automatic or need to be scripted into the install file(s)? | 14:59 |
| teward | (part of the always-learning-the-system experience is asking questions when one is unsure, hopefully you don't mind the question) | 14:59 |
| rbasak | teward: good question :) | 15:00 |
| rbasak | teward: AFAIK, it needs to be scripted in debian/rules | 15:00 |
| rbasak | Though maybe someone will come along and tell me about a debhelper feature that is better than that :) | 15:01 |
| rbasak | Apache has a similar need, and the Debian maintainer did offer to do something similar. I was happy to maintain it as a delta though. | 15:01 |
| rbasak | (so I don't have that for Apache currently) | 15:01 |
| teward | mhm | 15:01 |
| teward | rbasak: the issue with nginx is that they ship a Debian-specific index.html | 15:01 |
| teward | pointing back to BTS and Debian bug reporting methods | 15:02 |
| rbasak | Yeah, same with Apache. | 15:02 |
| teward | rather than ours - hence the DMB recommendation | 15:02 |
| teward | (the latest merge, just went and hacked away at the shipped index.hml) | 15:02 |
| teward | index.html* | 15:02 |
| rbasak | teward: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1288690 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1288690 in apache2 (Ubuntu Trusty) "default page is debian branded" [High,Fix released] | 15:02 |
| teward | ooo i should probably check trusty and utopic for this bug... if it exists, make it for nginx | 15:03 |
| teward | rbasak: darn it, you're adding to my bugs lists! >.< | 15:03 |
| teward | (just kidding) | 15:03 |
| teward | rbasak: thank goodness only vivid is affected by this | 15:07 |
| teward | and the PPAs, but i'm lazy with updating those considering i spent almost a month hammering out code issues >.< | 15:08 |
| rbasak | ScottK: can I have an opinion from you on bug 1412830 please? sa-update or SRU? | 15:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1412830 in spamassassin (Ubuntu) "[AHBL] spamassassin is returning false positives by default" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412830 | 15:37 |
| ScottK | Looking | 15:37 |
| ScottK | rbasak: sa-update is disabled by default, so I think an SRU is appropriate. | 15:38 |
| rbasak | ScottK: OK, thanks. I'll arrange it. | 15:38 |
| ScottK | (Note: the Debian SA maintainer is considering changing that default for a future release) | 15:39 |
| ScottK | great | 15:39 |
| shadeslayer | mvo: any news wrt the synaptic SRU? | 15:42 |
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| pitti | slangasek, stgraber, kees: TB meeting in 9 mins; mdeslaur and infinity sent their apologies; I'm still in a hangout, but I'll watch with half an eye | 16:52 |
| * slangasek nods | 16:52 | |
| slangasek | who's the chair today? | 16:52 |
| Riddell | pitti: kde-sc-dev-latest back in the archive now | 16:55 |
| pitti | Riddell: ah, was it removed? that explains why they suddenly started failng without there being an upload for it | 16:56 |
| Riddell | pitti: yes sorry, I removed meta-kde but I've put it back now with only kde-sc-dev-latest | 16:57 |
| Riddell | (which we don't use but we need it to stop a muckle diff from debian) | 16:57 |
| pitti | Riddell: ack, thanks! I'll wait until it's published and then retry all the tests | 16:58 |
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| cjwatson | (hopefully will be more like seconds, but just in case anything goes wrong) | 17:15 |
| teward | repots of my question just in case someone knows another method other than scripting in debian/rules... teward> so, the DMB made a suggestion when I got my PPU rights for nginx that there be an Ubuntu specific index.html for the nginx package, which would be installed based on $DEB_VENDOR - my question is, would such a test be automatic or need to be scripted into the install file(s)? (I admit I don't know everything, but I wish to learn | 17:52 |
| teward | best practices) | 17:52 |
| teward | grah, evil irc truncation! *shakes fist* | 17:52 |
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| mvo | shadeslayer: I have uploaded it, its wating in the utopic-proposed queue | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | mvo: thx :) | 18:25 |
| mvo | thank you for preparing the diff! | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 18:31 |
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