| * slangasek waves | 17:00 | |
| pitti | o/ | 17:00 |
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| slangasek | who's on for chairing? I can't find any minutes that say | 17:01 |
| pitti | pretty much zero agenda today, isn't it? | 17:01 |
| pitti | last meeting was scarcely attended, and also had zero topics | 17:01 |
| pitti | aside from clearing the second and third action review point | 17:02 |
| pitti | slangasek: you come after me on https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members | 17:02 |
| pitti | slangasek: quick, take it before the next "real" meeting comes along :) | 17:02 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Jan 20 17:03:02 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:03 |
| pitti | slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda updated | 17:03 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 17:03 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Apologies | 17:04 |
| slangasek | I think you said mdeslaur and infinity sent their apologies today | 17:04 |
| slangasek | stgraber seems to be here | 17:04 |
| slangasek | no sign of kees? | 17:04 |
| stgraber | yeah, I'm around | 17:05 |
| pitti | right, infinity apol'ed on IRC, mdeslaur on the ML | 17:05 |
| slangasek | ok | 17:05 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Action review | 17:06 |
| slangasek | * infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread | 17:06 |
| slangasek | I don't recall if this was still carried over from last time? | 17:06 |
| slangasek | I assume it is, without infinity here to tell us otherwise | 17:06 |
| pitti | it is, yes; he expressed is refreshed intent to reply two weeks ago | 17:07 |
| pitti | (sorry for lag, still in QA team meeting hangout) | 17:07 |
| slangasek | mailing list topics... | 17:08 |
| slangasek | there's a docker question on the mailing list | 17:08 |
| slangasek | anything we should discuss on that? | 17:08 |
| pitti | oh, you mean https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002062.html | 17:09 |
| slangasek | yes | 17:10 |
| pitti | I'm not very happy about that, TBH | 17:11 |
| slangasek | should we discuss it here? or follow up on the list? | 17:11 |
| pitti | either major versions do keep backwards compat, then a docker-latest package would be eaiser to maintain than letting intermediate major versions in -updats just bitrot | 17:11 |
| pitti | and if they don't keep backwards compat AND fixes are hard to backport, then it's even worse: it essentially means that we claim that we can't support that package at all | 17:12 |
| pitti | and then it shouldn't be in a stable release at all, but people should rather get it from a PPA, or charm, or whatever | 17:12 |
| pitti | (but I don't quite believe that just yet) | 17:12 |
| slangasek | there are various well-known problems with using ppas as a distribution mechanism, particularly for servers | 17:14 |
| slangasek | yes, I think we are saying we can't support docker in the LTS according to our usual model | 17:14 |
| pitti | and the proposal in that above mail would combine the disadvantages | 17:15 |
| slangasek | but as the package is already in the LTS, we should figure out what to do with this fast-moving, high-profile package | 17:15 |
| pitti | a lot of packages to maintain, and users have to choose between "reproducability of installations but insecure" and "secure, latest release, breaks backwards compat" | 17:15 |
| slangasek | "a lot of packages to maintain" - I'm not sure that's the TB's problem, however? | 17:16 |
| pitti | well, "LTS" -- it's in universe, so ceratinly not a 5 year support thing | 17:16 |
| pitti | it's not, but I don't quite see how it would help the problem | 17:16 |
| slangasek | the maintenance (or lack thereof) falls on the team pushing for this; if the server team thinks this is the right tradeoff for them... | 17:16 |
| pitti | if they break compat, we can't obviously upgrade existing users automatically | 17:16 |
| pitti | so we'd have to backport fixes anyway | 17:16 |
| slangasek | ok | 17:17 |
| slangasek | I think this probably warrants more discussion on the mailing list, then? | 17:17 |
| pitti | yeah, I think so | 17:17 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] docker in 14.04 | 17:17 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability | 17:18 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability | 17:18 |
| slangasek | there's also this on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002061.html | 17:18 |
| slangasek | looks like the ball is in the Kubuntu team's court however | 17:18 |
| slangasek | so probably nothing further needed on our side, except perhaps a gentle ping to Riddell / ScottK | 17:19 |
| pitti | from my POV we are waiting for some SRU test plan? | 17:19 |
| slangasek | right | 17:19 |
| slangasek | I don't see anything else on the list | 17:20 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs | 17:20 |
| * pitti neither | 17:20 | |
| slangasek | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty | 17:20 |
| slangasek | that seems to be everything, then | 17:21 |
| slangasek | chair for next meeting should be stgraber | 17:21 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Next meeting | 17:21 |
| slangasek | [INFO] Chair for next meeting is stgraber | 17:21 |
| stgraber | note that I may not be available two weeks from now | 17:22 |
| slangasek | oh, indeed | 17:22 |
| stgraber | as slangasek, infinity and I will be at a sprint in Cape Town and may be in meetings or other social things at the time | 17:22 |
| slangasek | 7pm, hopefully not in meetings :) | 17:22 |
| pitti | slangasek: famous last words! | 17:23 |
| pitti | anyway, I can do that | 17:23 |
| slangasek | [INFO] Next meeting date: 2015-02-03 @ 1700 UTC | 17:23 |
| pitti | I'll be back home from Brussels then | 17:23 |
| slangasek | [INFO] pitti possibly to chair in stgraber's place due to sprint | 17:23 |
| slangasek | anything else? | 17:23 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 17:24:54 2015 UTC. | 17:24 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-01-20-17.03.moin.txt | 17:24 |
| slangasek | pitti, stgraber: thanks | 17:25 |
| pitti | thanks! | 17:25 |
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