[17:00]  * slangasek waves
[17:00] <pitti> o/
[17:01] <slangasek> who's on for chairing?  I can't find any minutes that say
[17:01] <pitti> pretty much zero agenda today, isn't it?
[17:01] <pitti> last meeting was scarcely attended, and also had zero topics
[17:02] <pitti> aside from clearing the second and third action review point
[17:02] <pitti> slangasek: you come after me on https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members
[17:02] <pitti> slangasek: quick, take it before the next "real" meeting comes along :)
[17:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 20 17:03:02 2015 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:03] <pitti> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda updated
[17:03] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[17:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Apologies
[17:04] <slangasek> I think you said mdeslaur and infinity sent their apologies today
[17:04] <slangasek> stgraber seems to be here
[17:04] <slangasek> no sign of kees?
[17:05] <stgraber> yeah, I'm around
[17:05] <pitti> right, infinity apol'ed on IRC, mdeslaur on the ML
[17:05] <slangasek> ok
[17:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Action review
[17:06] <slangasek> * infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread
[17:06] <slangasek> I don't recall if this was still carried over from last time?
[17:06] <slangasek> I assume it is, without infinity here to tell us otherwise
[17:07] <pitti> it is, yes; he expressed is refreshed intent to reply two weeks ago
[17:07] <pitti> (sorry for lag, still in QA team meeting hangout)
[17:08] <slangasek> mailing list topics...
[17:08] <slangasek> there's a docker question on the mailing list
[17:08] <slangasek> anything we should discuss on that?
[17:09] <pitti> oh, you mean https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002062.html
[17:10] <slangasek> yes
[17:11] <pitti> I'm not very happy about that, TBH
[17:11] <slangasek> should we discuss it here? or follow up on the list?
[17:11] <pitti> either major versions do keep backwards compat, then a docker-latest package would be eaiser to maintain than letting intermediate major versions in -updats just bitrot
[17:12] <pitti> and if they don't keep backwards compat AND fixes are hard to backport, then it's even worse: it essentially means that we claim that we can't support that package at all
[17:12] <pitti> and then it shouldn't be in a stable release at all, but people should rather get it from a PPA, or charm, or whatever
[17:12] <pitti> (but I don't quite believe that just yet)
[17:14] <slangasek> there are various well-known problems with using ppas as a distribution mechanism, particularly for servers
[17:14] <slangasek> yes, I think we are saying we can't support docker in the LTS according to our usual model
[17:15] <pitti> and the proposal in that above mail would combine the disadvantages
[17:15] <slangasek> but as the package is already in the LTS, we should figure out what to do with this fast-moving, high-profile package
[17:15] <pitti> a lot of packages to maintain, and users have to choose between "reproducability of installations but insecure" and "secure, latest release, breaks backwards compat"
[17:16] <slangasek> "a lot of packages to maintain" - I'm not sure that's the TB's problem, however?
[17:16] <pitti> well, "LTS" -- it's in universe, so ceratinly not a 5 year support thing
[17:16] <pitti> it's not, but I don't quite see how it would help the problem
[17:16] <slangasek> the maintenance (or lack thereof) falls on the team pushing for this; if the server team thinks this is the right tradeoff for them...
[17:16] <pitti> if they break compat, we can't obviously upgrade existing users automatically
[17:16] <pitti> so we'd have to backport fixes anyway
[17:17] <slangasek> ok
[17:17] <slangasek> I think this probably warrants more discussion on the mailing list, then?
[17:17] <pitti> yeah, I think so
[17:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] docker in 14.04
[17:18] <slangasek> [ACTION] pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability
[17:18] <meetingology> ACTION: pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability
[17:18] <slangasek> there's also this on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002061.html
[17:18] <slangasek> looks like the ball is in the Kubuntu team's court however
[17:19] <slangasek> so probably nothing further needed on our side, except perhaps a gentle ping to Riddell / ScottK
[17:19] <pitti> from my POV we are waiting for some SRU test plan?
[17:19] <slangasek> right
[17:20] <slangasek> I don't see anything else on the list
[17:20] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
[17:20]  * pitti neither
[17:20] <slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty
[17:21] <slangasek> that seems to be everything, then
[17:21] <slangasek> chair for next meeting should be stgraber
[17:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Next meeting
[17:21] <slangasek> [INFO] Chair for next meeting is stgraber
[17:22] <stgraber> note that I may not be available two weeks from now
[17:22] <slangasek> oh, indeed
[17:22] <stgraber> as slangasek, infinity and I will be at a sprint in Cape Town and may be in meetings or other social things at the time
[17:22] <slangasek> 7pm, hopefully not in meetings :)
[17:23] <pitti> slangasek: famous last words!
[17:23] <pitti> anyway, I can do that
[17:23] <slangasek> [INFO] Next meeting date: 2015-02-03 @ 1700 UTC
[17:23] <pitti> I'll be back home from Brussels then
[17:23] <slangasek> [INFO] pitti possibly to chair in stgraber's place due to sprint
[17:23] <slangasek> anything else?
[17:24] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 17:24:54 2015 UTC.
[17:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-01-20-17.03.moin.txt
[17:25] <slangasek> pitti, stgraber: thanks
[17:25] <pitti> thanks!