[17:00] * slangasek waves [17:00] o/ [17:01] who's on for chairing? I can't find any minutes that say [17:01] pretty much zero agenda today, isn't it? [17:01] last meeting was scarcely attended, and also had zero topics [17:02] aside from clearing the second and third action review point [17:02] slangasek: you come after me on https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members [17:02] slangasek: quick, take it before the next "real" meeting comes along :) [17:03] #startmeeting [17:03] Meeting started Tue Jan 20 17:03:02 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:03] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:03] slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda updated [17:03] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [17:04] [TOPIC] Apologies [17:04] I think you said mdeslaur and infinity sent their apologies today [17:04] stgraber seems to be here [17:04] no sign of kees? [17:05] yeah, I'm around [17:05] right, infinity apol'ed on IRC, mdeslaur on the ML [17:05] ok [17:06] [TOPIC] Action review [17:06] * infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread [17:06] I don't recall if this was still carried over from last time? [17:06] I assume it is, without infinity here to tell us otherwise [17:07] it is, yes; he expressed is refreshed intent to reply two weeks ago [17:07] (sorry for lag, still in QA team meeting hangout) [17:08] mailing list topics... [17:08] there's a docker question on the mailing list [17:08] anything we should discuss on that? [17:09] oh, you mean https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002062.html [17:10] yes [17:11] I'm not very happy about that, TBH [17:11] should we discuss it here? or follow up on the list? [17:11] either major versions do keep backwards compat, then a docker-latest package would be eaiser to maintain than letting intermediate major versions in -updats just bitrot [17:12] and if they don't keep backwards compat AND fixes are hard to backport, then it's even worse: it essentially means that we claim that we can't support that package at all [17:12] and then it shouldn't be in a stable release at all, but people should rather get it from a PPA, or charm, or whatever [17:12] (but I don't quite believe that just yet) [17:14] there are various well-known problems with using ppas as a distribution mechanism, particularly for servers [17:14] yes, I think we are saying we can't support docker in the LTS according to our usual model [17:15] and the proposal in that above mail would combine the disadvantages [17:15] but as the package is already in the LTS, we should figure out what to do with this fast-moving, high-profile package [17:15] a lot of packages to maintain, and users have to choose between "reproducability of installations but insecure" and "secure, latest release, breaks backwards compat" [17:16] "a lot of packages to maintain" - I'm not sure that's the TB's problem, however? [17:16] well, "LTS" -- it's in universe, so ceratinly not a 5 year support thing [17:16] it's not, but I don't quite see how it would help the problem [17:16] the maintenance (or lack thereof) falls on the team pushing for this; if the server team thinks this is the right tradeoff for them... [17:16] if they break compat, we can't obviously upgrade existing users automatically [17:16] so we'd have to backport fixes anyway [17:17] ok [17:17] I think this probably warrants more discussion on the mailing list, then? [17:17] yeah, I think so [17:17] [TOPIC] docker in 14.04 [17:18] [ACTION] pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability [17:18] ACTION: pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability [17:18] there's also this on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002061.html [17:18] looks like the ball is in the Kubuntu team's court however [17:19] so probably nothing further needed on our side, except perhaps a gentle ping to Riddell / ScottK [17:19] from my POV we are waiting for some SRU test plan? [17:19] right [17:20] I don't see anything else on the list [17:20] [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs [17:20] * pitti neither [17:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty [17:21] that seems to be everything, then [17:21] chair for next meeting should be stgraber [17:21] [TOPIC] Next meeting [17:21] [INFO] Chair for next meeting is stgraber [17:22] note that I may not be available two weeks from now [17:22] oh, indeed [17:22] as slangasek, infinity and I will be at a sprint in Cape Town and may be in meetings or other social things at the time [17:22] 7pm, hopefully not in meetings :) [17:23] slangasek: famous last words! [17:23] anyway, I can do that [17:23] [INFO] Next meeting date: 2015-02-03 @ 1700 UTC [17:23] I'll be back home from Brussels then [17:23] [INFO] pitti possibly to chair in stgraber's place due to sprint [17:23] anything else? [17:24] #endmeeting [17:24] Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 17:24:54 2015 UTC. [17:24] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-01-20-17.03.moin.txt [17:25] pitti, stgraber: thanks [17:25] thanks!